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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2018, 06:57:24 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
I don't for a minute believe that true fans of college football would back away from the games if the NFL had a minor league and took 250 players away from the college game every year. True fans cheer for the helmet and jersey, not the specific players.
Our fanbases are millions more massive than our alumni bases. If our product is Ivy quality, our fan bases will be our alumni bases.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2018, 06:58:31 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Those are not even close to real world numbers.
Tell that to the lawyers involved in professional sports labor disputes.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
I don't for a minute believe that true fans of college football would back away from the games if the NFL had a minor league and took 250 players away from the college game every year. True fans cheer for the helmet and jersey, not the specific players.
Most sports fans watch sports to fawn over great athletes. I'm the rare breed that watches sports because I like to get behind the local teams and root for them to win. 
People like me would enjoy it because I could go watch the games in the Shoe without the gigantic crowd that typically keeps me at bay. The road games would no longer be televised, so that would kind of suck. 

They'd probably start streaming the games on their website like D3 schools do, but those aren't exactly ESPN productions. There's like one camera in the press box, and if you are lucky there might be a couple of students calling the game. 
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 12, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
Most sports fans watch sports to fawn over great athletes. I'm the rare breed that watches sports because I like to get behind the local teams and root for them to win.  
You're less of a rare breed than you think, and I beg to differ with the first sentence. Sure, you're going to have those fans, and maybe those fans will simply wait for the minor league kid to get to the NFL to fawn, instead of fawning over an 18 y/o kid (kinda creepy, no??).

Taking 250 kids out of the college game will not dilute it very much at all. I mean, we're talking 2 out of 100. So, from, say, Michigan, you're talking about taking away Gary and Patterson. Think about that for a minute. Michigan would still be pretty good, no?
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2018, 07:31:01 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Tell that to the lawyers involved in professional sports labor disputes.
I don't care to discuss professional sports labor disputes, on a college football message board topic involving college athletes. There is enough selfishness in professional sports already, thank you.

Let's stick to apples and apples. Cheer for the jersey, and all that.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #131 on: December 12, 2018, 07:34:56 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
I don't for a minute believe that true fans of college football would back away from the games if the NFL had a minor league and took 250 players away from the college game every year. True fans cheer for the helmet and jersey, not the specific players.
Couldn’t disagree with you more. 
This game is and always has been about the players.
You take the elite players out of the equation and the product will suffer. The die hard fans buying jerseys and going to the games isn’t what drives the sport anymore. It’s the tv contracts. IF you lose the marquee players that drive those ratings the whole thing would crumble. People want to watch bonafide stars like Johnny Manzel and Tim Tebow and semi-pro teams like Bama and Ohio State. You don’t have the elite future NFL players in the sport the ratings would fall off a cliff and the next go round of tv contract negotiations all the networks would tell the P5 conferences to go F themselves.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2018, 07:36:08 PM »
Sports are about tribalism. Most people cheer for their tribe and care much less about how good their tribe is. Though it is always easier to cheer for a winning tribe.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2018, 07:40:13 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM
You're less of a rare breed than you think, and I beg to differ with the first sentence. Sure, you're going to have those fans, and maybe those fans will simply wait for the minor league kid to get to the NFL to fawn, instead of fawning over an 18 y/o kid (kinda creepy, no??).

Taking 250 kids out of the college game will not dilute it very much at all. I mean, we're talking 2 out of 100. So, from, say, Michigan, you're talking about taking away Gary and Patterson. Think about that for a minute. Michigan would still be pretty good, no?
Michigan didn’t have Patterson last year. They were pretty damn bad without him. 
The recruiting sites do a top 250, 247, and 300 lists every year. Michigan has more kids from those lists than just Patterson and Gary. 
Let’s say majority of those kids went to the minor leagues every year instead of going to P5 schools. The sport would most definitely suffer. A lot.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2018, 07:42:13 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM
You're less of a rare breed than you think, and I beg to differ with the first sentence. Sure, you're going to have those fans, and maybe those fans will simply wait for the minor league kid to get to the NFL to fawn, instead of fawning over an 18 y/o kid (kinda creepy, no??).

Taking 250 kids out of the college game will not dilute it very much at all. I mean, we're talking 2 out of 100. So, from, say, Michigan, you're talking about taking away Gary and Patterson. Think about that for a minute. Michigan would still be pretty good, no?
We are talking about 32 minor league teams that would pull players away from all of the top teams the teams that people actually watch. 
I agree that people like us would still watch them. But I don't think that we make up that big of a percentage of the "viewers" 
ELA is a huge soccer fan, but he doesn't give a crap about the Pittsburg team or even the MLS. He watches soccer from halfway around the world because those are the "best athletes." While I don't employ that approach myself, most sports fans do. 

There might be enough of us around to keep it on TV for a few decades perhaps, but eventually we will age out and be replaced with a generation that views the Big Ten in the same manner as we view a Conference from D3-FCS. 
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2018, 07:51:33 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 12, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
Most sports fans watch sports to fawn over great athletes. I'm the rare breed that watches sports because I like to get behind the local teams and root for them to win.
People like me would enjoy it because I could go watch the games in the Shoe without the gigantic crowd that typically keeps me at bay. The road games would no longer be televised, so that would kind of suck.

They'd probably start streaming the games on their website like D3 schools do, but those aren't exactly ESPN productions. There's like one camera in the press box, and if you are lucky there might be a couple of students calling the game.
Everyone on this board agrees with you.
Otherwise they wouldn't prefer the second highest level of football available.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2018, 08:03:26 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 12, 2018, 07:51:33 PM
Everyone on this board agrees with you.
Otherwise they wouldn't prefer the second highest level of football available.
You have to be a pretty die hard CFB fan to post on CFB message boards. We aren't exactly a slice of the average fandom. 
Canada has a pro football league, but they don't even play on Sundays because they can't compete with the NFL even in their own markets. The people that post on the CFL message board don't particularly give a crap about the NFL. But those are the die hards. Not the average "football fans"
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2018, 08:34:37 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM
You're less of a rare breed than you think, and I beg to differ with the first sentence. Sure, you're going to have those fans, and maybe those fans will simply wait for the minor league kid to get to the NFL to fawn, instead of fawning over an 18 y/o kid (kinda creepy, no??).

Taking 250 kids out of the college game will not dilute it very much at all. I mean, we're talking 2 out of 100. So, from, say, Michigan, you're talking about taking away Gary and Patterson. Think about that for a minute. Michigan would still be pretty good, no?
But that's not what began this side conversation. This conversation began with your incredulity that P5-quality players and P5 teams need one another reciprocally. 
In which case taking away two, twenty, or two hundred of them is beside the point. If you want to have the thought experiment necessary to understand whether the P5 derives value from all of them, you have to imagine what it would be like with none of them.
And it'd be peanuts. Pleasant peanuts. But certainly never $100MM peanuts per school.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2018, 08:37:12 PM »
With a minor league team for each franchise it would completely decimate the rosters of the top 25. Any player with serious pro potential would play there instead of college. Particularly the players that are good enough to leave after three years without much concern of getting a degree. 
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2018, 08:38:03 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 12, 2018, 08:03:26 PM
You have to be a pretty die hard CFB fan to post on CFB message boards. We aren't exactly a slice of the average fandom.
Canada has a pro football league, but they don't even play on Sundays because they can't compete with the NFL even in their own markets. The people that post on the CFL message board don't particularly give a crap about the NFL. But those are the die hards. Not the average "football fans"
It's true. Zero of my Michigan friends** post on Michigan boards. When we see each other, I sincerely doubt they even watch half the games, though that's a whole other matter.
**(guys I used to live with in A2, who still meet up on holidays and/or when I come to town for a tailgate) 
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