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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1134 on: August 30, 2018, 06:39:32 PM »
These domestic cases are difficult to ferret out.  Even cases with injuries sometimes involve issues of who was the primary physical aggressor, was there the use of reasonable force in self-defense. How does a coach who is not a witness to the acts, and not an investigator for law enforcement, sort that out when law enforcement concluded there was no probable cause to believe a crime was committed?
The coach doesn't. That's why he's supposed to report it to Compliance, HR, hell, anyone other than himself and the AD, who don't have the training or experience to handle this. 

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« Reply #1135 on: August 30, 2018, 07:06:52 PM »
he sounds confused. Often the case on larger Boards- there is always a few. I see it in real life.


The Trustee’s must be on those Urban Meyer medications then. 

Looking at Mr Wadsworth’s bio tells me he seems to be a pretty sharp guy, who spent 11 hours in a room with people trying to spin their way into preservation of their football coach.
What really jumps out at me is the OSU fans citing Courtney Smith that have repeatedly denigrated her reliability and character over a month now that she said something that refuted a police report. As Jay Bilas said there is “some serious rhythmic gymnastics” happening in Columbus to try make this all seem ok, in the name of preserving the football season.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1136 on: August 30, 2018, 07:23:14 PM »
Jay Bilas is still in recovery after he defended Rick Pitino contrary to all norms of common sense

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1137 on: August 30, 2018, 07:41:44 PM »
The coach doesn't. That's why he's supposed to report it to Compliance, HR, hell, anyone other than himself and the AD, who don't have the training or experience to handle this.
Well, the Title 9 office received the news from campus police- so they told Smith who told Meyer.  Even the title 9 person did not share w compliance pending outcome of charges or no charges.  As a group they decided to also inform HR- which they did.  
If you want to say they should have told compliance- that’s more on Smith than Meyer
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1138 on: August 30, 2018, 07:43:42 PM »
The Trustee’s must be on those Urban Meyer medications then.

Looking at Mr Wadsworth’s bio tells me he seems to be a pretty sharp guy, who spent 11 hours in a room with people trying to spin their way into preservation of their football coach.
What really jumps out at me is the OSU fans citing Courtney Smith that have repeatedly denigrated her reliability and character over a month now that she said something that refuted a police report. As Jay Bilas said there is “some serious rhythmic gymnastics” happening in Columbus to try make this all seem ok, in the name of preserving the football season.
So- the one guy who agrees with your narrative had it right- but the other 19 very accomplished people got it wrong?
Do you hear yourself saying that and how utterly ridiculous that sounds?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1139 on: August 30, 2018, 08:44:25 PM »
You might have missed my response, HB (4:38pm).

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1140 on: August 31, 2018, 08:20:50 AM »
The more I hear and read about this, the more it supports my earlier contention that Meyer is not suspended for his lack of reporting the 2015 incident to anyone, but for his poor judgement in not firing Zach Smith for his multiple transgressions. And to top that off, Gene Smiths lawyer did hit the nail on the head when he stated that part of this was due to appease the media and everyone calling for a scalp based on incomplete facts.

As for the issue of DV with ZS, I believe that he is most likely guilty of DV in his marriage, but I also believe that Courtney could be guilty also. But as far as OSU was concerned, I honestly feel that they did what they could to investigate this, but didn't come up with anything actionable on their part. 

After all of this, I feel that the suspension handed down by OSU of Meyer is appropriate for allowing ZS to be employed as a coach after all of the things we have found out about his behavior. It is also apparent to me that he was not fired for failing to act on charges of DV that neither he, Gene Smith or the school investigators knew enough to do anything about. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1141 on: August 31, 2018, 12:47:32 PM »
Urban, what are you doing? There isn't a statement you could release that is in your best interest. Just take the punishment silently and pray the story fizzles out in the next month or two.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1142 on: August 31, 2018, 12:49:28 PM »
The more I hear and read about this, the more it supports my earlier contention that Meyer is not suspended for his lack of reporting the 2015 incident to anyone, but for his poor judgement in not firing Zach Smith for his multiple transgressions. And to top that off, Gene Smiths lawyer did hit the nail on the head when he stated that part of this was due to appease the media and everyone calling for a scalp based on incomplete facts.

As for the issue of DV with ZS, I believe that he is most likely guilty of DV in his marriage, but I also believe that Courtney could be guilty also. But as far as OSU was concerned, I honestly feel that they did what they could to investigate this, but didn't come up with anything actionable on their part.

After all of this, I feel that the suspension handed down by OSU of Meyer is appropriate for allowing ZS to be employed as a coach after all of the things we have found out about his behavior. It is also apparent to me that he was not fired for failing to act on charges of DV that neither he, Gene Smith or the school investigators knew enough to do anything about.
That's a pretty fair assessment and really close to where I sit. I might feel a lengthier suspension was in order, especially when factoring the ability to come back for practice weeks more quickly, but it is what it is at this point. I am pretty happy that B1G season kicked off. I also wouldn't mind never hearing from Zach Smith, Lynn Bruce, or any ZS apologists like former player Matt Finkes. The more they say, the more the media focuses in. 

And, as I write this I see Urban has released another statement. Unproductive at this point. Let's move on. I am ready for football.  
« Last Edit: August 31, 2018, 12:51:39 PM by HailHailMSP »

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1143 on: August 31, 2018, 01:49:08 PM »
The more I hear and read about this, the more it supports my earlier contention that Meyer is not suspended for his lack of reporting the 2015 incident to anyone, but for his poor judgement in not firing Zach Smith for his multiple transgressions. And to top that off, Gene Smiths lawyer did hit the nail on the head when he stated that part of this was due to appease the media and everyone calling for a scalp based on incomplete facts.

As for the issue of DV with ZS, I believe that he is most likely guilty of DV in his marriage, but I also believe that Courtney could be guilty also. But as far as OSU was concerned, I honestly feel that they did what they could to investigate this, but didn't come up with anything actionable on their part.

After all of this, I feel that the suspension handed down by OSU of Meyer is appropriate for allowing ZS to be employed as a coach after all of the things we have found out about his behavior. It is also apparent to me that he was not fired for failing to act on charges of DV that neither he, Gene Smith or the school investigators knew enough to do anything about.
That's a very good take. The one and only additional factor for me would be his handling of the media day, specifically the "who makes up a story like that" comment. You nailed everything else. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1144 on: September 01, 2018, 11:20:26 AM »
Didn't want to spoil the SOC with this. The risk of course is that it's taken too seriously over here:


https://mobile.twitter.com/DVNJr/status/1035888771101851648

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1145 on: September 01, 2018, 04:15:59 PM »
Not at all I hope it's on coast to coast and the smug chump hears people laughing about it
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1146 on: September 01, 2018, 06:15:59 PM »
smug chump nails it
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1147 on: September 01, 2018, 06:39:12 PM »
By the smug chump I meant Meyer,how many Bud Fats have you drained
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