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Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1162 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:33:54 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:19:07 PM

Now that the dust has settled, I am of the position that he didn’t do anything to warrant a suspension. It was politically motivated. What did he actually do wrong?
Haters gonna hate.

That's fully ok. It's an opinion. Just like it's also OK for others to disagree.
For the record, another time just in case it's been missed, I've been 100% fine with the suspension, but I do think that the decision here was between suspension and termination, rather than between suspension and nothing.
After all: He didn't report up. His boss reported down, and they knowingly kept it between themselves "for months," strategically choosing to leave out Compliance, per the investigation, and not passing it on to Compliance was a dereliction of responsibility and a line-item violation of Urban's contract.
The conspiracy to delete evidence on top of that was also worthy of a "suspension or termination?" conversation.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1163 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:34:39 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 08:22:07 PM

If you want, by all means, go to the other threads where it's relevant and say what you like about other people. But using this thread to bad mouth people who aren't Urban (or part of the investigation) is just deflecting.
"Why focus on this when you can look over there? Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout..."

Who is deflecting, me or you? Who is bumping a thread that was basically dead? Who seems to want to diminish Meyer, and keep people talking about it, you or me?
Is it because the coach you worship has not done what you thought he would? Do you feel like he doesn’t have the “ it “ factor you so crave?
You have made your feelings known way way back. Why the need to shine light on it? What are you afraid of people looking at somewhere else?

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1164 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:38:13 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on September 18, 2018, 08:33:25 PM

Big Ten press conference was today. I was encouraged that for the 10 minutes Urban had to speak it was all about football and zero about Zach Smith firing.

What happened after the first 10 minutes? Also, thinking back before this week, what would you have thought about the expectation that Urban would get a tougher media crowd for this topic when on the road than when in Columbus?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1165 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:39:15 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 08:33:54 PM

That's fully ok. It's an opinion. Just like it's also OK for others to disagree.
For the record, another time just in case it's been missed, I've been 100% fine with the suspension, but I do think that the decision here was between suspension and termination, rather than between suspension and nothing.
After all: He didn't report up. His boss reported down, and they knowingly kept it between themselves "for months," strategically choosing to leave out Compliance, per the investigation, and not passing it on to Compliance was a dereliction of responsibility and a line-item violation of Urban's contract.
The conspiracy to delete evidence on top of that was also worthy of a "suspension or termination?" conversation.

That you imterpret it that way, after now hearing both sides, is shocking to me.
How is it Meyers fault that the cops called someone else, and the Title 9 officer at OSU went to Smith, who then went to Meyer. And they did NOT keep it to themselves, they told HR. The THREE of them decided that it wasn’t compliance related since it was legal, not NCAA. And e en the title 9 officer, a female, advised them to follow the investigation to conclusion before taking any additional action.
Reading comprehension dude...it’s badass.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1166 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:34:39 PM

Who is deflecting, me or you? Who is bumping a thread that was basically dead? Who seems to want to diminish Meyer, and keep people talking about it, you or me?
Is it because the coach you worship has not done what you thought he would? Do you feel like he doesn’t have the “ it “ factor you so crave?
You have made your feelings known way way back. Why the need to shine light on it? What are you afraid of people looking at somewhere else?

(1) you were deflecting. Telling us that other coaches are also bad or worse is the very definition of deflecting from the topic being had. Anything in this topic that is about Urban, his future, his past, or the investigation is on topic. Anything outside those things may be off topic. Coaches at other schools who are not involved here are off topic. Bringing them up is a deflection tactic.
(2) Why did I post this? Because it was timely. Urban just came back from suspension. He also published another fresh apology/explanation -- another one of these silly, long-winded, social media things that are not in the best interest of his own PR.
So ... it was on topic. On time. And funnily worded

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1167 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:48:23 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 08:43:42 PM

(1) you were deflecting. Telling us that other coaches are also bad or worse is the very definition of deflecting from the topic being had. Anything in this topic that is about Urban, his future, his past, or the investigation is on topic. Anything outside those things may be off topic. Coaches at other schools who are not involved here are off topic. Bringing them up is a deflection tactic.
(2) Why did I post this? Because it was timely. Urban just came back from suspension. He also published another fresh apology/explanation -- another one of these silly, long-winded, social media things that are not in the best interest of his own PR.
So ... it was on topic. On time. And funnily worded

You fancy yourself don’t you.
I’ll tell you what Dudekd. I have too much respect for you to continue this because I feel you have a bias that is fogging you, and I am sure you feel the same as I do.
Let’s just agree that we disagree.
I will only add that I am not one of the PC mob in today’s culture, who automatically assumes an accuser is telling the truth. It seems to be prevalent these days, and lives get ruined.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1168 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:49:00 PM »

Reading comprehension? The final report said Urban was responsible and contractually specified to report all of this to Compliance ... and didn't.
I'm happy to go copy/past the relevant sections. Brb.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #1169 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:53:50 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:34:39 PM

Who is deflecting, me or you? Who is bumping a thread that was basically dead? Who seems to want to diminish Meyer, and keep people talking about it, you or me?
Is it because the coach you worship has not done what you thought he would? Do you feel like he doesn’t have the “ it “ factor you so crave?
You have made your feelings known way way back. Why the need to shine light on it? What are you afraid of people looking at somewhere else?

The “you just hate us becuase we’re good,” line of defense? Mmmm, always a favorite.
(FWIW, this got bumped becuase Urby went out and delivered an enlightening, deeply cringe-worthy press conference. This would be the place to talk about it becuase it’s news about the topic. It’s the first time he’s answered questions about it since the report came out)

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1170 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 18, 2018, 08:49:00 PM

Reading comprehension? The final report said Urban was responsible and contractually specified to report all of this to Compliance ... and didn't.
I'm happy to go copy/past the relevant sections. Brb.

Funny how Smith has that same responsibility, but for some strange reason ther is no outrage or even a peep about that. And he has greater accountability- he AGREED with Meyer that compliance was out of scope.
And that nobody talks about Gene Smith on this is all the proof needed to illustrate that the outrage against Meyer is because he wins. You, nor anyone else will admit that though.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1171 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:54:32 PM »

From pages 17 and 18 of the official document:

B. Reporting obligations regarding the events of 2015-2016:
1. Under his employment contract with OSU, Urban Meyer had at all relevant times an obligation to “immediately report to the [Athletic] Director and to the Department’s Office of Compliance Services in writing if any person or entity, including without limitation, representatives of Ohio State's athletic interests, has violated or is likely to violate or may potentiallyhave violated any [applicable] laws,” including all federal, state and local laws. (Meyer Employment Contract §4.1.d)

(...)

3. Because they believed Zach Smith’s denials and because there was no charge or arrest in connection with the 2015-2016 events, neither Coach Meyer nor AD Smith believed that there had been a violation or a potential violation of the law and therefore neither had reporting obligations regarding what they knew about the law enforcement investigation of Zach Smith. In addition, Coach Meyer, because he was first informed of the 2015-2016 investigation by AD Smith, believed that he had no further reporting obligations. In assessing their reporting obligations, both Coach Meyer and AD Smith placed heavy reliance on the absence of formal law enforcement or court action. Neither made any report of the matter to Athletic Compliance or University Compliance for consideration of whether an internal investigation should be conducted. Under the broad language of their contracts, reporting obligations can be triggered in the absence of formal, external action. Reporting requirements are intended to be both broad and redundant – in the case of Coach Meyer, they require reporting (in writing) to two places (to the AD and to Athletic Compliance) and the obligation to report is placed on each individual, an obligation not relieved by the knowledge or reporting by another individual. While we find that both Coach Meyer and AD Smith believed in good faith that they did not have sufficient information to trigger any reporting obligation, we believe that they viewed the issue too narrowly through the lens of law enforcement action. Both should have made some report of Zach Smith’s potential violation of the domestic violence laws, which was the subject of the law enforcement investigation they came to know about in late October 2015. Such reports would have been made to the Athletic Compliance Office and, for AD Smith, the Office of University Compliance and Integrity.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1172 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:55:39 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:54:01 PM

Funny how Smith has that same responsibility, but for some strange reason ther is no outrage or even a peep about that. And he has greater accountability- he AGREED with Meyer that compliance was out of scope.
And that nobody talks about Gene Smith on this is all the proof needed to illustrate that the outrage against Meyer is because he wins. You, nor anyone else will admit that though.

Oh, I think we are all surprised Smith still has a job. On both sides. He arguably made even more mistakes. So what is there to discuss?
Don't mistake a lack of conversation for a lack of blame. It just isn't of interest to anyone anymore.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1173 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:55:49 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on September 18, 2018, 08:53:50 PM

The “you just hate us becuase we’re good,” line of defense? Mmmm, always a favorite.
(FWIW, this got bumped becuase Urby went out and delivered an enlightening, deeply cringe-worthy press conference. This would be the place to talk about it becuase it’s news about the topic. It’s the first time he’s answered questions about it since the report came out)

Ahh, another closet wolverine fan speaks. Thank you.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #1174 on:** September 18, 2018, 08:59:21 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:48:23 PM

You fancy yourself don’t you.
I’ll tell you what Dudekd. I have too much respect for you to continue this because I feel you have a bias that is fogging you, and I am sure you feel the same as I do.
Let’s just agree that we disagree.
I will only add that I am not one of the PC mob in today’s culture, who automatically assumes an accuser is telling the truth. It seems to be prevalent these days, and lives get ruined.

It’s intersting, in some senses, PC is a way to skirt what some consider the realities of things. Like to be un-PC is to speak out some uncomfortable truth. But here, the un-PC thing is to deny a potentially uncomfortable truth.
Unless what PC and not PC are really about is standing for or against historically ... we’ll say less powerful groups. And if that’s the case, then it is what it is I guess.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1175 on:** September 18, 2018, 09:02:22 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 18, 2018, 08:48:23 PM

I am not one of the PC mob in today’s culture

I'm definitely not pro-PC.
Did you catch my response on Page 7 of this thread to someone else saying PCness is a worthy goal?

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