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No, I don't think the issues at OSU come even close to Baylor. What I'm saying is that my perception [as a Purdue fan, not tied to either school] was that the news coverage and outrage over Baylor was much larger than OSU. I'm saying I'm surprised that you seem to perceive the opposite; that it's worse for OSU.
I suggested that might be because you're closer to OSU and other sources--and I'm not sure where you live, bit if it's Ohio, this is obviously going to be bigger news there than elsewhere too. I was suggesting you MIGHT have a skewed version of how big and vitriolic the news is nationally due to that.

I could be wrong. I got off most social media a while ago, so maybe this has blown up in a way I just haven't seen.
Again, I'm saying he believes he didn't cover up DV because he didn't believe it existed. Apparently neither he nor Shelley found Courtney credible. And because there were no formal charges filed against Zach, he didn't believe he was required to report it.

But I'm saying that this is exactly why we don't put football coaches in charge of adjudicating whether DV occurred. That's why he's supposed to report to compliance. It's why at my job if I hear of something like this, I'm required to report to HR, even if the person disclosing it begs me not to. Because my job trusts me to be an engineer, not to be an expert on DV.

I'm saying the net effect of Meyer's action is to cover up potential DV, because he kept it out of the eyes of people who know a lot more than him about DV. The Compliance office doesn't try to tell him how to attack a fire zone blitz on 3rd and 9. But the exchange for that is that they don't expect him to determine what things are or are not DV--he's required to report it to them.

He failed to do that, and the net effect was that this entire situation was covered up until this year.


I think he screwed up. I feel like the OSU investigation was determined to find in his favor, and excused him from blame on some highly sketchy reasons.

But again, I'm a Purdue fan. I don't hate him. I was the one who basically stepped out of this whole discussion once he publicly stated that he follows all reporting protocols, which turned out not to be true. I even created a plausible alternate hypothesis for why Smith wasn't fired--because the divorce "fixed" the issue as they were no longer married and thus any future DV risk was lessened.

It turns out, though, that he didn't follow reporting protocols. He didn't report a lot of Zach's bad behavior to anyone. He harbored a creepy douchebag who was violating OSU policies at best--and who was also a domestic abuser at worst--because he felt bad over Earl Bruce.

Yes- I think we are on the same page. 
I live Florida but mostly read and follow national, more well known media.  
What do you think of my theory that UM resigns soon?

HB - you are right that this isn’t Baylor, not even close by my measure at least. 

What is comparable to Baylor though is that the first press conference and wave of punishment have left the public and media hot tempered. The B.O.T took a relatively light approach to punishment, opening the door to more heat. And, when the onion got peeled back further and the media setup camp in Waco, it went all downhill from there. And if it feels hot now, it can get much worse. Baylor, at its peak, was well beyond what we are seeing now. 

Ohio State needs a few things to happen next. 1. Zach Smith needs to find a cave and stay in there and not say anything. 2. They need a do-over with the press conference, where UM appears apologetic and emotional. It could even be unannounced before or after his first practice back 3. They need to hope and pray there are no other skeletons in the closet with the admin asst or anywhere else. The media will find them!

However, one of the things that gets me is the media piling onto Meyer and OSU for not bringing up Courtney Smith in the press conference, implying that she was slighted in this whole ordeal. I think the media has it wrong when they expect Meyer to apologize to her. She should be thanking him for putting his career and reputation on the line to keep her husband employed hoping that they could work out the marriage, and then after the marriage ended, keeping the checks coming from his job. Had Urban not been loyal to Earle Bruce and then by extension, Zach Smith, he would have cut him loose years ago and Courtney would not have lived with the benefit of Zach's income all these years.

This honestly leaves me speechless and I think you should spend time with victims of abuse. You’re basically saying she should just be happy she had a money train and so what about the abuse. That’s a mind blowing position.
People tend to have an incredibly difficult time leaving abusive situations. Even more so when children are involved. Questioning her for not leaving is an oversimplification of how difficult that decision is in reality.
I personally believe that she’s half crazy,  saying she should be thsnking urban Meyer for saving the job of her abusive husband is just nuts. How about this... maybe if urban fires him because he’s a monster and a scumbag, it causes him to actually seek help, get it and turn his life around and save his wife from years of abuse and save their children from witness years of unhealthy marriage.

Whoa there buddy. It'll take a lot more than preseason drama for Michigan to get there. This East-sided quad battle (OSU, M, MSU, PSU) should be incredible.

Iowa V OSU is how I see it.

so after 32 pages here, the answer to the thread's question is:  Urban is in very big trouble

but, not from the AD or the university, or the investigation.  Urban is in Very Big trouble from the press and the court of public opinion

directly the fault of the AD, the university, the investigation, and mostly Urban himself in the way this train wreck was handled

this is what blows my mind honestly.
dude racked up a $600 bill on the company AMEX at a titty bar. Any other employer would fire his employee in a NY minute.

To be fair, my read of the document was that this was on Zach's card. The issue, if there was one, is that high school coaches were invited to show and may have been paid for (however, whose tab the $600 covered was never confirmed).

and just because it was on Zach's card doesn't mean it wasn't expensed to the athletic department

one way or another

True. And you could be right. But for whatever reason I trust the investigation here. They found things that required a lot harder (and less likely to bear fruit) digging than this (that Voltolini nugget is c-r-a-z-y ... nobody expected that depth). My guess is the story just isn't there for him having charged it to OSU. If there's a story it's about inducing the HS coaches while recruiting. But we'll never know unless he or Herman admits it. So we'll never know.