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Assassination is not viewed as an available option to us.

If we absolutely insist on regime change then I'll just say something that my brother pointed out several years into the Iraq fiasco:

My brother pointed out that we only lost a few hundred troops toppling Saddam (it might not even have been that many) and that we had lost MANY times that number during the subsequent occupation.  So he said:  If we don't like the leader, why don't we just go, remove the leader, and leave.  If the replacement is the same or worse, we go back, take that guy out, and leave again.  Based on what happened in Iraq that would cause a LOT less casualties than trying to build them into a functioning democracy. 

The US doing exactly this in 1953 is directly responsible for the current state of affairs there. 

not sure why you have the word creation in quotes. a little bit confused as the Brits didn't create Israel, it was a bunch of illegal immigrants and terrorists like Menachem Begin (who coincidentally went on to become a Prime Minister of Israel and is one of the founders of the political party that rules Israel today the Likud- which states in it's charter and I am quoting- "from the river to the sea there will be only Israeli soverignty") who immigrated (vast majority of which illegally immigrated btw) to British Mandatory Palestine from Eastern/Central Europe/Soviet Union and created Israel by driving the British out via terror attacks like the King David Hotel terror bombing, ethnic cleansing the local population (the Nakba) and then declaring themselves a nation.

from roughly 20,000 Jews living in Palestine in 1880 to 700,000 just 68 years later largely because of illegal immigration. in large part thanks to Theodor Herzl- the primary godfather of Zionism and of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine- who incredibly was a devout atheist....except for the part of some imaginary guy in the sky promising his people the land 3,500 years ago.

history is fucking wild.

The Brits gave up Palestine to the Jews to establish a State. Yes, they were already settled but not very many.

The history of that region is a story of the fall of European colonialism. It's not as though Palestine was a contiguous and autonomous state. I don't think that's ever been true. The Ottomans had it before World War I. World War effectively ended the Ottoman Empire, and the end of the war definitely resulted in the British taking over the Ottoman territory. At the time there was already a significant demographic change under way, but, yes, the Brits encouraged Jewish settlement in the area. The population increased dramatically from the end of WWI to the end of WWII--with a bigger increase in Jewish people than non-Jewish people (mostly Arabs), but both numbers increased substantially. Many people argue that most of the powerful Arab countries were disinterested in Palestine--not that it necessarily would have mattered--it had belonged to the Ottomans, then the Brits, and Egypt, for example, wasn't going to do anything about that. Post WWII, colonialism not being quite dead yet (cue your Monty Python voice), the British decided--with the help of the new United Nations, essentially the victors of WWII--that after the Holocaust, providing a state to the Jewish people already in Palestine was the right thing to do. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the creation of nation states was kind of a thing between the 1840s and the 1940s, as European empires crumbled and were replaced by nation states. It also reflected a reality that by 1948, the Jewish and Arab populations there were roughly equivalent in size--and, again--none of the neighboring Arab states seemed especially intent on claiming (or fighting for) Palestine--at least not against the British. Again, I think many people argue that those neighbors were perfectly happy to cede or sell that land.

And much like native American land that is now the cite of major American cities, it's not ever going to get unwound for the benefit of the ancestors of its inhabitants hundreds of years ago. That's just not how history works.

The Brits gave up Palestine to the Jews to establish a State. Yes, they were already settled but not very many.

To think, were it not for that, we wouldn’t even have Palestinians. Just Jordanians.

But instead a people was born from the Brits drawing lines and a dream of massive ethic cleansing. But the Arabs failed in 1948, and the Palestinians made sure they ended up in violent conflict with every country they ended up in.

Wild that the only reason there are Palestinian “countries” at all these days is because a hard line Israeli had a sudden change of outlook. Would be nice if the Palestinians could make more out of those places.

In the end, the Palestinians won’t be happy without everything. And thus, will fail to get much, beyond indiscriminate killings and such. 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5355926-iran-nuclear-threat-israel-strikes/

so in summary, they don't have a nuclear weapon and all the best most current most credible intelligence from US intelligence agencies is that they are at least 18 to 36 months away from even developing a crude test device to explode in the middle of nowhere somewhere in one of their deserts.

And by the way- which no one here seems to be mentioning- while it's true that Iran has mastered the gas centrifuge and uranium enrichment- Iran doesn't have the facilities required to reprocess plutonium waste from their nuclear reactors into weapons grade plutonium- meaning they have no route to a miniaturized plutonium implosion device that could be fit on a missile to reach the US....meaning: they are not a threat to hit the US even if they had a crude gun trigger uranium bomb- which they don't even have that- and if they did have that (they don't) and they wanted to hit us they wouldn't be able to deliver it without us blowing up the plane that carried it from 10,000 miles away before it even got close to our shores....again meaning: they are no threat to the US.

This is all bullshit pre-text to try and push for another disastrous Middle East regime change war.

If Iran wanted to make weapons grade uranium they would've done that already- they were swinging their dicks and showing they can get to 60% as a chip in negotiations. It was their to give up and try to get the best new deal possible for them- which they only needed a new deal in the first place because the moronic asshat imbecile that Trump is completely ripped up the deal that was in place.

And by the way- which no one here seems to be mentioning either- Trump does not have the authority or power to just start bombing Iran and go into a hot war with them. Only Congress can declare war. That whole NO KINGS protest is a pathetic joke- people should be protesting in the streets about Presidents bombing foreign nations in far away lands and engaging in wars without a declaration of war from Congress.