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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41748 on: February 12, 2025, 04:20:13 PM »
I don't entirely disagree but that mess is personal.  It means going to guys like @MikeDeTiger and saying "Hey, you are out of a job even though you didn't do anything wrong." 

I don't mean to infer that he specifically would be one of the ones cut but you can't cut the undergrad system down by 50% without a whole freaking lot of people losing their jobs.  A LOT of pink slips are going to go out and most of them are going to go out to people who don't personally deserve that and didn't personally do anything to cause the problem. 
I mean, that’s the life of spending cuts. 

A bunch of the USAID cuts took income from farmers here in the US. The government bought their products and used it as part of aid stuff. Cut that and we save money, but someone might lose the farm. 

(the theory behind the aid stuff is interesting. A little like why colleges have football teams)

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« Reply #41749 on: February 12, 2025, 04:30:54 PM »
There is a projected enrollment drop off coming pretty soon. If companies make changes to stop blindly evaluating undergrad degrees, you could see a natural business lead change in a generation or so.
We'll see. 

I was born in the trough of the baby-bust.  Here is a chart that shows it.  Summary:
  • Pre-WWII annual births in the US dropped in the 1930's both because of technological changes (industrial workers didn't need and couldn't afford as many kids as agrarian farmers) and because people couldn't afford kids in the Depression.  Annual births bottomed out at 2.3M in 1933. 
  • Annual births skyrocketed during and particularly after the war.  In 1946 (first year of the baby boom) there were 3.4M births in the US.  Births peaked at over 4M/yr from 1954-1964 (last year of the baby boom). 
  • Annual births dropped rapidly in the later 1960's and early 1970's for various reasons* and bottomed out at under 3.2M/yr for 1973-1976 (this was when I was born). 
  • Births then gradually climbed and in 2007 the baby-boom peak of 4.3M from 1957 was surpassed for the first time.  However, note that the US Population in 2007 was VASTLY larger than it was in 1957 so even though total births in 2007 (4.316M) were slightly higher than in 1957 (4.3M), the birth rate had dropped from 122.9 per 1,000 15-44 year old females in 1957 to just over half of that at 69.30 per 1,000 15-44 year old females in 2007. 
There was a massive increase in college enrollment when the baby-boomers reached college age (1966-1982).  In theory this should have dropped when baby-busters like me were reaching college age in the early 1990's.  This didn't actually happen.  Instead, colleges simply pushed college on an ever larger portion of HS graduates as a work-around for the fact that there were rather obviously less HS graduates when the 3.2M/yr Baby busters were turning 18 in the early 1990's than there were in the 1970's and early 1980's when the 4M+/yr baby boomers were turning 18. 

Furthermore, as long as Griggs remains the law of the land, corporations are effectively prohibited from screening potential employees in any meaningful way themselves so they effectively contract it out to the Universities. 

*By "various reasons" I mostly mean the widespread availability of the effective birth control pill.  Prior to that it was much more difficult for women to avoid pregnancy without abstaining from sex.  The Pill allowed women to put careers first without forgoing intimacy.  The pill was invented in 1957 and approved as a contraceptive by the FDA in 1960.  It was widely available after Griswold vs Connecticut in 1965.  

My dad was born in 1940.  Many of his friends either got married immediately after HS at 18-19 or did two or three years in the Military then got married at 20-22 and in either case they generally had kids about 9 months after they got married or in some cases less.  That was the norm up until the pill.  

If you look at the births/birthrate chart that I posted above, births and particularly the birthrate plummeted right as the pill became available.  By the mid-1970's (when I was born) most of the pre-pill mothers who had their first kids in the early 1960's or earlier were done having kids and most of the post-pill mothers who started careers first hadn't started having kids yet so thus, the baby bust.  The "echo-boomers" of ~10 years later came along when all those 1970's era career-first women got into their mid to late 30's and suddenly started hearing a ticking sound.  
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41750 on: February 12, 2025, 04:36:24 PM »
I mean, that’s the life of spending cuts.

Ed Zachery

It's not personal - it's business
many large companies occasionally cut 10% or some rather significant amount of staff to be more efficient and profitable.
yes, some good folks are let go that shouldn't but unfortunately, it's not easy to keep all the good ones and cut only the bad ones. 
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41751 on: February 12, 2025, 04:50:12 PM »
I mean, that’s the life of spending cuts.

A bunch of the USAID cuts took income from farmers here in the US. The government bought their products and used it as part of aid stuff. Cut that and we save money, but someone might lose the farm.

(the theory behind the aid stuff is interesting. A little like why colleges have football teams)
Ed Zachery

It's not personal - it's business
many large companies occasionally cut 10% or some rather significant amount of staff to be more efficient and profitable.
yes, some good folks are let go that shouldn't but unfortunately, it's not easy to keep all the good ones and cut only the bad ones.
Oh I get it and I'm not even saying that it shouldn't be done.  

What I am saying is two things:
First, it will be messy.  

Second, the political will to do it is doubtful.  It is one thing for an unelected corporate CEO to cut 10% of the workforce to make the entity more efficient.  It is vastly different when the people running the enterprise have to face elections and the people laid off will be part of the electorate.  

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« Reply #41752 on: February 12, 2025, 05:14:48 PM »
Elon is an unelected corporate CEO

let him do the dirty messy work
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« Reply #41753 on: February 12, 2025, 07:11:17 PM »
I mean, that’s the life of spending cuts.

A bunch of the USAID cuts took income from farmers here in the US. The government bought their products and used it as part of aid stuff. Cut that and we save money, but someone might lose the farm.

(the theory behind the aid stuff is interesting. A little like why colleges have football teams)
Lulz. The fact that you have no clue what US-A.I.D. is...not USAID- shows me that you probably shouldn't be opening up your mouth about things you don't know nor understand. US-A.I.D. is NOT a humanitarian aid organization nor has it ever been. The acronym is designed to play mind tricks on the populace- an effective form of propaganda. That little 3 letter shitbag monstrosity doesn't stand for United States-AID it stands for the United States Agency for International Development- and it wasn't created by Congress it was created by the executive branch. US-A.I.D. is a sick twisted bastardized organization that was turning itself inward and aiming it's tentacles domestically when it was never intended to do so nor designed for by funding NGO's aimed at censorship of the internet- IN THE UNITED STATES. US-A.I.D. is just like it's counterpart the NED- they are literally nothing more than CIA cut-outs which are the primary engines for foreign influence operations/regime change operations of the CIA.

US-A.I.D. 10000000% needed to be shut down completely. The VAST MAJORITY of it's $45 billion a year budget goes to destabilizing foreign governments via all kinds of wicked and twisted fucked up means and methods from funding protest movements, bribing politicians, funding "grassroots" political organizations, funding "independent" media, and all sorts of other chicanery and outright fuckery. US-A.I.D. does VERY little actual humanitarian aid- less than 10% of it's budget goes to that and of that 10% most is syphoned off or stolen by insanely corrupt foreign bureaucrats and politicians. The "humanitarian aid" arm of US-A.I.D. is just to cloak itself in a patina of virtue- it's a cover- it's entire reason for being is to control & influence foreign nations and overthrow governments the US does not like abroad.

And quite fucking frankly I do not give a fuck about any farmer taking a handout from the US gov't in order for the US gov't to run it's empire building/influence operations around the globe. It is not for the US taxpayer to subsidize farmers. If you can't make it as a farmer- well too fucking bad. That's not my problem or anyone else's. Get your mouth off the government teet and go earn a real living like everyone fucking else.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41754 on: February 12, 2025, 07:20:41 PM »
I’ve reached that age where my brain goes from “You probably shouldn’t say that.” To “What the hell, let’s see what happens.”
I'm lucky. My brain has always been on, "I will say whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want, wherever the fuck I want, and I don't really give a single fuck what you have to say about it nor do I care what you think, you plebeian."

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41755 on: February 12, 2025, 07:37:33 PM »
Lulz. The fact that you have no clue what US-A.I.D. is...not USAID- shows me that you probably shouldn't be opening up your mouth about things you don't know nor understand. US-A.I.D. is NOT a humanitarian aid organization nor has it ever been. The acronym is designed to play mind tricks on the populace- an effective form of propaganda. That little 3 letter shitbag monstrosity doesn't stand for United States-AID it stands for the United States Agency for International Development- and it wasn't created by Congress it was created by the executive branch. US-A.I.D. is a sick twisted bastardized organization that was turning itself inward and aiming it's tentacles domestically when it was never intended to do so nor designed for by funding NGO's aimed at censorship of the internet- IN THE UNITED STATES. US-A.I.D. is just like it's counterpart the NED- they are literally nothing more than CIA cut-outs which are the primary engines for foreign influence operations/regime change operations of the CIA.

US-A.I.D. 10000000% needed to be shut down completely. The VAST MAJORITY of it's $45 billion a year budget goes to destabilizing foreign governments via all kinds of wicked and twisted fucked up means and methods from funding protest movements, bribing politicians, funding "grassroots" political organizations, funding "independent" media, and all sorts of other chicanery and outright fuckery. US-A.I.D. does VERY little actual humanitarian aid- less than 10% of it's budget goes to that and of that 10% most is syphoned off or stolen by insanely corrupt foreign bureaucrats and politicians. The "humanitarian aid" arm of US-A.I.D. is just to cloak itself in a patina of virtue- it's a cover- it's entire reason for being is to control & influence foreign nations and overthrow governments the US does not like abroad.

And quite fucking frankly I do not give a fuck about any farmer taking a handout from the US gov't in order for the US gov't to run it's empire building/influence operations around the globe. It is not for the US taxpayer to subsidize farmers. If you can't make it as a farmer- well too fucking bad. That's not my problem or anyone else's. Get your mouth off the government teet and go earn a real living like everyone fucking else.
Holy smokes.  $45 Billion is like 2x the budget of NASA.  We could have went to Mars multiple times with that amount of cash over a 10 year period.  

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« Reply #41756 on: February 12, 2025, 07:48:14 PM »
can't even make this shit up....the Democrats write the jokes themselves. 


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« Reply #41757 on: February 12, 2025, 09:53:24 PM »
If this was happening to any of your industries, you wouldn't speak so cavalierly about it.  And your opinion would be 180 degrees different.
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« Reply #41758 on: February 12, 2025, 10:06:06 PM »
as someone who lived through a mini version of this scandal (the Milwaukee County pension scandal (late 90s/early 00)) which a quarter century later is still leaving a mark on the balance sheet for the county, I disagree OAM.       It was a must to rip the F ing bandaid right off, later led to Act 10 in Wisconsin too, which the left is still going wild to try to unwind via the Courts.   I was a 'victim' of voters/pols putting an end to that era (in WI), it had to be done.

the pigs at the trough need to be slaughtered.  it is not sustainable.

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« Reply #41759 on: February 12, 2025, 11:10:15 PM »
If this was happening to any of your industries, you wouldn't speak so cavalierly about it.  And your opinion would be 180 degrees different.

Simply host the lgbt book-readings on your own time, on your own dime, at your own apartment, instead of doing it at a public school, during regular school hours. 

Badda bing, badda boom. Problem solved. 

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« Reply #41760 on: February 13, 2025, 07:08:26 AM »
I'm lucky. My brain has always been on, "I will say whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want, wherever the fuck I want, and I don't really give a single fuck what you have to say about it nor do I care what you think, you plebeian."
Have the men with the nets there at the home re-read my post. Pretty sure I was addressing MikeDeTiger and made no mention of/to you. Realizing enemies everywhere aren't we you crest fallen tart seems Jeem has some company in concussion protocol. Have them whip up another one of the lorazepam - infused beverage that you seem to prefer

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« Reply #41761 on: February 13, 2025, 07:34:26 AM »
Simply host the lgbt book-readings on your own time, on your own dime, at your own apartment, instead of doing it at a public school, during regular school hours.

Badda bing, badda boom. Problem solved.
Anyone willing to come in to read aloud to younger students is welcome.  I don't care what's in their pants or what color their hair is if the alternative is no one reading to them.  MANY don't get read to at home, believe me.

Too much emphasis on the LGBT and too little attention to the READING.
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