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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38990 on: November 06, 2024, 11:51:01 AM »
Turnout was down versus 2020 when COVID meant a lot of rule changes to enable absentee voting.

Trump won't get as many votes as Biden did.
Yep. It looks like Trump will end up with LESS votes in 2024 than he got in 2020.

2020:
  • 81.3M Biden
  • 74.2M Trump
2024:
  • 71.7M Trump
  • 66 9M Harris

Not everything is counted yet so he could catch his 2020 total but I doubt it. 


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« Reply #38991 on: November 06, 2024, 11:55:22 AM »
prices have not "recovered" (or gone back to "normal") after that 9% inflation subsided. Every one of us feels that in our pocket book every day.
This is an enormously important point. I think a lot of D's hung their hats on inflation being down but to a consumer the goods they buy didn't go back down, they are still paying those higher prices.

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« Reply #38992 on: November 06, 2024, 12:00:41 PM »
This is an enormously important point. I think a lot of D's hung their hats on inflation being down but to a consumer the goods they buy didn't go back down, they are still paying those higher prices.
I think that was more trying to play defense than hanging a hat, but it was a poor spot to play defense from.

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« Reply #38993 on: November 06, 2024, 12:04:12 PM »
I think that was more trying to play defense than hanging a hat, but it was a poor spot to play defense from.
Agreed. I think we are saying the same thing just in different ways.

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« Reply #38994 on: November 06, 2024, 12:06:22 PM »
They both are frail and doddering or they aren’t. And that’s disqualifying or isn’t. That’s all I’m saying.
Not even close in condition and did you post notice or red flag your candidate's cognitive decline and physical malfunctions 4 yrs ago - if it's that intrusive?That’s all I’m saying.
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

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« Reply #38995 on: November 06, 2024, 12:11:19 PM »
Prices broadly won't go down, deflation is very rare, and usually a sign of something very very bad.


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« Reply #38996 on: November 06, 2024, 12:13:19 PM »
Not even close in condition and did you post notice or red flag your candidate's cognitive decline and physical malfunctions 4 yrs ago - if it's that intrusive?That’s all I’m saying.
I don’t know what you’re asking me. But if we have to play pretend for the sake of feelings, I suppose that it what it is. 

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bayareabadger

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« Reply #38997 on: November 06, 2024, 12:14:16 PM »
Prices broadly won't go down, deflation is very rare, and usually a sign of something very very bad.


Bingo. Once it happens, it is what it is. Not the first time that’ll have an impact and not the last. 

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« Reply #38998 on: November 06, 2024, 12:16:33 PM »
Democrats have historically (at least in my lifetime) struggled with how to fight over economics. Part of that is probably that they need a decent amount of the Wall Street/Tech crowd to fund their campaigns. 

In hindsight, a better message on inflation may have been twofold (I'm not stating what follows as fact, I'm stating it as a way to message well within the norms of politics): (1) Inflation was caused by Covid, the response to which the prior administration completely screwed up (show video of Trump struggling with Covid encased in his limosine on the way to Walter Reed). But Joe/Kamala, you contributed to it with the American Rescue Plan--how do you respond to that? (2) The American Rescue Plan prevented people from being evicted and from losing their unemployment benefits--that was all the result of COVID, and people who were living paycheck to paycheck--or relying on unemployment benefits--would have been out on the street were it not for those benefits. We kept the economy going after he broke it (pictures of closed businesses contrasted with Trump acting like a plutocrat--maybe golfing.)

Maybe I wasn't paying very close attention to all of the talk show appearances, but I didn't hear much of that. It's a least a way to fight back, rather than: inflation has come down.

I know lots of people here would completely disagree with what I wrote above; that's not my point. My point is that Kamala/the Democrats focused their energy on Trump being a bad guy (which people had already become accustomed to and apparently don't mind), instead of fighting on the issues that people care the most about.

So on to 2026.

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« Reply #38999 on: November 06, 2024, 12:23:42 PM »
I don’t know what you’re asking me. But if we have to play pretend for the sake of feelings, I suppose that it what it is.

He’s sharp as a tack and a big strong boy!
Pretty straight forward,calling your hypocrisy out,you didn't seem troubled by Biden's baffled state but Trump is alarming frail??? You going the Clinton route? (who i voted for) "It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is?" Never mind don't bother
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« Reply #39000 on: November 06, 2024, 12:24:01 PM »
I think Democrats could have spent more time on economic issues, including noting that inflation was a global phenomenon caused by X, Y, Z.

Then they could have presented a realistic plan (ha) on the economy, which by the numbers is in decent shape.  This notion of fighting "price gouging" was silly, absurdly so.  

I think a real issue  is that the reported CPI is not reflective of what real people were feeling in their wallets.  The reported CPI right now annualized is 2.6%, but I suspect "real inflation" for most of us remains 6-7-8-9%, annualized, even if gas prices have declined.  They couldn't really point to record oil production levels as a plus.

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« Reply #39001 on: November 06, 2024, 12:27:32 PM »
Speaker Johnson thread nuked as requested.

No offense meant to @Gigem as it was not his intent for it to go where it went.
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« Reply #39002 on: November 06, 2024, 12:28:30 PM »
damn i missed the fun who said what?
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« Reply #39003 on: November 06, 2024, 12:36:58 PM »
Prices broadly won't go down, deflation is very rare, and usually a sign of something very very bad.

It's still all a function of supply and demand.  Any sector where supply can be increased, prices will, broadly, come down.  Where demand is decreased (probably not much of a factor as far as what you're talking about here), prices will, broadly, come down. 

Whatever happened, my hope was that housing and groceries can become more affordable.  I think there are ways to facilitate that, though I don't know if any of it will be achieved.  You need more than just good policy, and that's assuming you get good policy.  

Fingers crossed.  We need cheaper food, housing, and continued cheap (relatively speaking) energy. 

We could all use cheaper/better medical insurance, but I have to admit, I don't have a clue how to make that happen, and I handled insurance for a clinic for a few years, so I like to think I know a bit about it. Most ideas I hear make me think the person either doesn't understand the problem, doesn't understand basic economic realities, or both. But, there are many smarter people than me, so maybe there's a way.  

 

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