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« Reply #19404 on: October 06, 2022, 11:26:20 AM »
Hell yes expertise about oil markets. 

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« Reply #19405 on: October 06, 2022, 11:49:33 AM »
Yes, and I think this is obvious in the history of pricing.  (And no, while I own a couple oil majors, they are a very minor part of my holdings.)


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« Reply #19406 on: October 06, 2022, 11:52:23 AM »
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Mine too. :)


I'm not really complaining about the ideal state, or real state, of economics related to the retail price of gasoline.  I'm just commenting on the real-world dynamics of that market.

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« Reply #19407 on: October 06, 2022, 11:57:33 AM »
 but there are some obvious glaring examples of reactionary pricing and tacit collusion among sellers.
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« Reply #19408 on: October 06, 2022, 11:57:58 AM »
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« Reply #19409 on: October 06, 2022, 12:16:52 PM »
I blame the Bush family

and T-Boone Pickens and Jerry Jones
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« Reply #19410 on: October 06, 2022, 12:32:08 PM »
I blame CD and utee,money grubbing profiteers subjuging the working classes
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« Reply #19411 on: October 06, 2022, 12:52:42 PM »
Providing a very major slice of your windfalls
My oil investments have vastly underperformed relative to most others, vastly.  My previous money managed had bought 4-5 and I sold most of them off 3-4 years back.  I still have Shell and Oxy Pete, that's it.  I bought one fund that is based on natural materials and that one has oil of course.  This was when it looked like inflation was going to kick in about a year or so ago.

I own a little of a gold minig company that has also underperformed, as has gold and PMs.

I view the major oil companies the same way I view all large companies, with a jaundiced eye as they say.


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« Reply #19412 on: October 06, 2022, 01:05:14 PM »
I'm critical of an individual candidate, not a party.  I was critical of him before he won his nomination. 

As for the people voting for him.......they're actively making sure their wants and needs are poorly represented.  And that's on them.

I don't know too much about this race or Georgia politics in general, and I obviously can't speak for the Georgia voters.  But here's my best guess.

The biggest portion of his "supporters" are going to be what Cincy said...that 80% of people registered to a party who are going to vote party affiliation no matter what.  It's the same with the majority of voters who will not vote for him....both sides probably don't know and don't care about many, if any, issues, or his personal character.  So expecting the needle to move a great deal without an earthquake by political standards isn't likely no matter what.  For that 20% of people who will try to inform themselves or have an opinion which may make it possible for them to vote against their party affiliation:

First thing to consider is the alternative.  If there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils, you could feel morally justified in trying to make sure the worst case doesn't occur, even if the alternative is also bad.  In particular, I think Walker is running against Warnock (?? right?  or not?), and there is probably a segment of voters who are thinking they'd take almost anybody over Warnock.  So if a voter considers Warnock an unmitigated disaster, they may not like Walker but still vote for him.  Exhibit A on a candidate being bad, but why people will still vote for them.  This applies both ways, obviously.  You could be a Democrat and really dislike a democratic candidate, but if the Republican alternative is the worst of the worst for how you'd like things to be done, you probably don't sway your vote just because "your" candidate sucks. 

Second thing to consider is how people view "now" vs. "then."  Megyn Kelly mentioned yesterday, I think, about how the new allegations that Herschel formerly paid for a woman pregnant with his child to have an abortion shows hypocrisy with his pro-life stance.  Someone could potentially disagree with that, although they may not.  I'm not sure when this is alleged to have happened, but suppose it was a while back, one may reasonably believe that Herschel used to be okay with abortion but has changed his mind.  Or that he was never okay with it yet acted wrongly according to his beliefs (hypocrisy), but would not behave that way anymore.  Kelly's position--which is a popular one--assumes that people are one thing all their lives and never change their mind or act wrongly according to their own beliefs, and that simply isn't true.  A voter who doesn't take that into account may agree with Kelly here (and thus be a voter who could swing away from supporting Walker), while a voter who does take it into account may continue to plan on voting for him.  This applies to any issue and is only an example I'm using to try to get in the heads of potential voters. 

A third thing to consider is how much people separate an office from the person holding it.  It is possible to view leaders in positions of importance similar to, say, airline pilots.....given the choice we'd like our pilot to be friendly and moral as well as a great pilot.  However, if given the choice between a pilot who is the nicest guy in the world and who is an okay pilot, vs. a guy who is an absolute and irredeemable a**hole but is a great pilot....we're taking the a**hole, because there are jobs and positions where ability to do the job is simply far more important than personal history in the minds of many.  If I had to guess, there is a segment of the voting population who will overlook the personal behavior of a candidate as long as they think that candidate will act in their interest if elected.  They may rather a candidate who is also nice and has no skeletons in the closet, but it's not irrational to overlook this in certain instances.  I thought I'd seen that Walker is significantly behind Warnock in the race, but if it's close, Walker may really need that type of voter, because the video his son just put out is not a good look.  And I'm told his son is very right-leaning.  So when your own kid trashes you and warns people about you, that's a big blow as far as losing the segment of the voters who won't overlook personal conduct/history. 


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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #19413 on: October 06, 2022, 01:19:14 PM »
Warnock is a reliable Dem vote the Senate.  Walker would be a reliable Rep vote.  Beyond that, I don't really think there is a difference, though Walker might say things at times that are a bit "curious".

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« Reply #19414 on: October 06, 2022, 04:52:00 PM »
I don't know too much about this race or Georgia politics in general, and I obviously can't speak for the Georgia voters.  But here's my best guess.

The biggest portion of his "supporters" are going to be what Cincy said...that 80% of people registered to a party who are going to vote party affiliation no matter what.  It's the same with the majority of voters who will not vote for him....both sides probably don't know and don't care about many, if any, issues, or his personal character.  So expecting the needle to move a great deal without an earthquake by political standards isn't likely no matter what.  For that 20% of people who will try to inform themselves or have an opinion which may make it possible for them to vote against their party affiliation:

First thing to consider is the alternative.  If there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils, you could feel morally justified in trying to make sure the worst case doesn't occur, even if the alternative is also bad.  In particular, I think Walker is running against Warnock (?? right?  or not?), and there is probably a segment of voters who are thinking they'd take almost anybody over Warnock.  So if a voter considers Warnock an unmitigated disaster, they may not like Walker but still vote for him.  Exhibit A on a candidate being bad, but why people will still vote for them.  This applies both ways, obviously.  You could be a Democrat and really dislike a democratic candidate, but if the Republican alternative is the worst of the worst for how you'd like things to be done, you probably don't sway your vote just because "your" candidate sucks. 

Second thing to consider is how people view "now" vs. "then."  Megyn Kelly mentioned yesterday, I think, about how the new allegations that Herschel formerly paid for a woman pregnant with his child to have an abortion shows hypocrisy with his pro-life stance.  Someone could potentially disagree with that, although they may not.  I'm not sure when this is alleged to have happened, but suppose it was a while back, one may reasonably believe that Herschel used to be okay with abortion but has changed his mind.  Or that he was never okay with it yet acted wrongly according to his beliefs (hypocrisy), but would not behave that way anymore.  Kelly's position--which is a popular one--assumes that people are one thing all their lives and never change their mind or act wrongly according to their own beliefs, and that simply isn't true.  A voter who doesn't take that into account may agree with Kelly here (and thus be a voter who could swing away from supporting Walker), while a voter who does take it into account may continue to plan on voting for him.  This applies to any issue and is only an example I'm using to try to get in the heads of potential voters. 

A third thing to consider is how much people separate an office from the person holding it.  It is possible to view leaders in positions of importance similar to, say, airline pilots.....given the choice we'd like our pilot to be friendly and moral as well as a great pilot.  However, if given the choice between a pilot who is the nicest guy in the world and who is an okay pilot, vs. a guy who is an absolute and irredeemable a**hole but is a great pilot....we're taking the a**hole, because there are jobs and positions where ability to do the job is simply far more important than personal history in the minds of many.  If I had to guess, there is a segment of the voting population who will overlook the personal behavior of a candidate as long as they think that candidate will act in their interest if elected.  They may rather a candidate who is also nice and has no skeletons in the closet, but it's not irrational to overlook this in certain instances.  I thought I'd seen that Walker is significantly behind Warnock in the race, but if it's close, Walker may really need that type of voter, because the video his son just put out is not a good look.  And I'm told his son is very right-leaning.  So when your own kid trashes you and warns people about you, that's a big blow as far as losing the segment of the voters who won't overlook personal conduct/history. 


I appreciate the post, but it's not JUST the abortion thing.  It's numerous bright red burning-hot flags that disqualify him as a candidate for any office, much less the US fucking Senate.  

It's the people who used to just want a nice, Christian candidate that now are voting for the most despicable of us.  Somehow, somewhere along the way, the people who wanted less government became FOR stupid government.  As if it's some self-fulfilling prophecy:  they vote in the most absurd candidates possible and then point and yell about how bad the government is.  WTF?!?

And like I'm pleading with Republicans here.....don't you want the more-qualified candidate?  The more ethical one?  The more trustworthy one?  
The problem that I see in the Walker case is that it's "none of the above" attributes and they're still voting for him.  I simply cannot wrap my head around that.  
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« Reply #19415 on: October 06, 2022, 04:55:27 PM »
apparently, some people see Warnock as less qualified than Walker

it's just their opinion
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« Reply #19416 on: October 06, 2022, 04:56:35 PM »
I don't see why this is so puzzling.

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« Reply #19417 on: October 06, 2022, 04:59:35 PM »
And if anyone doubts me, if Trump had run as a Democrat (which he well could-have), I would have voted for anyone else.  
I'd have voted for the gay conversion guy.
I'd have voted for the prodigal little brother that never was.
I'd have voted for the fake Cuban guy.
I'd have voted for the frumpy cuck from Texas.
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Because at some point, the candidate you disagree with in every way is at some point more competent than the candidate that more aligns with your ideals (unless not, in which case you're actively ruining our country).
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