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Honestbuckeye

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« Reply #4466 on: April 06, 2021, 01:52:40 PM »
I assume there is both- those who start with nearly insurmountable obstacles who are able to find a way, and those who want to, try extremely hard, but the obstacles are just too much. 

I think it is naive to not think that there are many people who are very successful, but wouldn’t have been had they faced those obstacles.  Likewise- I think it is naive to not think there are many who struggle badly, who wouldn’t if they had more readily available opportunities. As Drew said- to some degree or in some way, it has always been that way. 

Too me the real questions ( the ones we all fight over) are:
-what can be done realistically to remove those obstacles and create  opportunities?

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How much can be taken ( involuntarily) from those who are successful to be given to those who are not or not yet?  The redistribution of wealth problem. 

I emphasize the word “ involuntarily” because a connecting and very impacting side effect is this:
Much of the resource today that goes to help feed, educate, provide for and mentor those with low income, comes from private sector people and businesses (like 847 AND his business).  

If you tax them more- their ability to make those contributions is greatly reduced. That is a reality. 

That’s is the debate. 
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« Reply #4467 on: April 06, 2021, 01:56:10 PM »
If you think the debate is about 847's tax dollars, then I'm done.  FFS.
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« Reply #4468 on: April 06, 2021, 01:58:28 PM »
If you think the debate is about 847's tax dollars, then I'm done.  FFS.
If that’s what you got from my post you should be done FFS.  

read it carefully this time.  That is what I call an issue ver connected to the debate, but not the debate itself. 
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« Reply #4469 on: April 06, 2021, 01:59:01 PM »
Some of us don't want to accept the reality that our country isn't perfect and that everyone isn't given every opportunity to succeed.  How can someone so proud be so naive?
And here I thought everyone else on this site thought the US was entirely perfect ....

Or perhaps you make it your job to distort the plain meaning of not only terms but also what others have posted.  But you are welcome to whine all you want.

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« Reply #4470 on: April 06, 2021, 02:04:09 PM »
So... education reform. Where to start?

Abolishing the Federal Department of Education would be a place to start. It's a useless entity and a waste of money. 

Next, work on curricula.

No more teacher unions. Reduce administrative staff. Consolidate school districts.

All of that will increase the amount of money that goes to students, and to teachers.


As of July 1, 2018, there were 852 public school districts: 368 elementary districts, 97 high school districts, 386 unit districts, and one Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice district.


This is a ridiculous number of tax-funded entities. Many of these school districts have only ONE school!!

Florida has 75 school districs.

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #4471 on: April 06, 2021, 02:30:33 PM »
Have to go a little longer. The partners want me to start an office down here. They will pay me buckets of money to do it, so why not?
only one reason why not.............. I might beat you to retirement!
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« Reply #4472 on: April 06, 2021, 02:40:20 PM »
If that’s what you got from my post you should be done FFS. 

read it carefully this time.  That is what I call an issue ver connected to the debate, but not the debate itself.
You ended it with "that is the debate", so that's how I got that from your post.
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« Reply #4473 on: April 06, 2021, 02:44:53 PM »
So... education reform. Where to start?


The food.

Today, our students are 'enjoying' bagged sliders.  Two mini cheeseburgers of gas station-quality meat in a bag.  In AZ, I've seen chili fries check all the boxes for being a main entree.  Yes, ketchup has been considered a vegetable (I don't know how widespread or for how long and I'd like to think that's no longer a thing).

But we have one selfish rich prick selling crap food to another district-level selfish rich prick - neither of whom's kids attend public school, all to save 3 pennies per lunch.

It's criminal.  Feeding our children the cheapest possible garbage in order for a company to make a little more money.  Our priorities are ASKEW.

So we feed them like that and then they go home and eat hot cheetohs and Monster energy drink for dinner and we expect 13 years of that to produce spry, driven thinkers?  Mkay.
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« Reply #4474 on: April 06, 2021, 02:45:55 PM »
do you eat the food?

Just curious
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« Reply #4475 on: April 06, 2021, 02:49:40 PM »
do you eat the food?

Just curious
I eat certain things.  I usually don't eat until I get home.  But if you asked all teachers at my school, easily fewer than 5-10% eat anything from the cafeteria.
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« Reply #4476 on: April 06, 2021, 02:52:18 PM »
This connects to the born on 3rd thing.  Yes, it's post-birth (longhorn), but simple nutrition.  On the Rez, I was all gung-ho for our best team in years to face a team from Sedona with a similar record.  And the veteran Rez coach just shook his head at me.
"We're playing a team of players who have had 3 square meals a day their whole lives."  

Oh.  
Yeah....they curb-stomped us.
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« Reply #4477 on: April 06, 2021, 03:02:58 PM »
 Feeding our children the cheapest possible garbage in order for a company to make a little more money.  Our priorities are ASKEW.
What is the company that provides this "food"?  How much profit do they make off the lunches?  Is it in part that the lunches are really cheap?  A good portion of the cost of food service is fixed cost, labor, rent and utilities (if not provided of course, which schools generally do), taxes if applicable, spoilage, inventory, ...

Perhaps some company is not degrading the food quality to make more money, perhaps they just can't provide decent food at that price.  If you try and run a restaurant, you hope your bulk food costs are about 30% of menu pricing, maybe 35%.  I suppose it's easier to blame everything on some company somewhere, or wealthy folks, or someone else of course.

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« Reply #4478 on: April 06, 2021, 03:59:26 PM »
A bleeding heart for the dictators of industry.  Wow.

They throw their hands up, crying "we can't supply any better food" yet they manage to make enough money to continue existing.  Poor them.  

How about if we can't feed our children decent food, we fix the industry?
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« Reply #4479 on: April 06, 2021, 04:05:50 PM »
I see you continue to mischaracterize my clear meaning because you apparently can't discuss the issue coherently with facts, so you make them up from nothing.


 

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