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Cincydawg

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #294 on: November 10, 2020, 01:11:52 PM »
Just to be clear, I haven't been deleting political posts on this thread, just the Coronavirus thread. 


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« Reply #295 on: November 10, 2020, 01:12:13 PM »
that wasn't politics either. They were observations based in fact. Who said a word about politics?
It was not factual, it was a clear distortion. And the clear intent was to suggest that one political party are hypocrites. 

Which is of course easy to do, because both parties are. They make whatever argument benefits them today, regardless of what they've done in the past. 

But I was tempted to argue the point with you, and I'd really like to see this board return to being about college sports (and alcohol, and cooking, and other randomness). 

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« Reply #296 on: November 10, 2020, 01:13:47 PM »
In other news, many of us for the most part handled the politics pretty well, a lot better than I've seen some "friends" do on Facebook.


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« Reply #297 on: November 10, 2020, 01:17:21 PM »
that wasn't politics either. They were observations based in fact. Who said a word about politics?
Because something is an observation based on a fact doesn't mean it can't be political. The two are functionally independent. It's also catnip for more argumentation on that very subject. 

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« Reply #298 on: November 10, 2020, 01:21:37 PM »
Man, I used to own Illinois properties and now I'm really glad I got out of that business. This has not been a problem with our California holdings. People are paying.


But you know who else is hurting? Landlords, many of whom own only a few properties and depend on rental payments to cover their own bills. Pritzker’s orders treat them as a public resource to be tapped at will, without much regard for their own needs. The Chicago City Council also has issued stricter rules on landlords who decide not to renew leases.

There are some obvious problems here. These measures don’t provide help to property owners struggling to pay mortgages and property taxes, not to mention maintenance costs. “My landlords are very desperate,” Chicago lawyer Carol Oshana told WBEZ. “They have (renters who) are working but don’t want to pay.”

Tenants, in theory, are obligated to make up all the missed payments once the moratorium ends, but that’s cold comfort for owners who need income now — and who may never be able to collect what they’re owed. Michael Glasser, president of the Neighborhood Building Owners Alliance in an October commentary, said there aren’t enough safeguards in the moratorium to weed out those cheating the system, the ones who aren’t paying because they know they don’t have to.

“Housing certainly is a necessity, but so are food and medicine. We don’t require grocery stores to provide free food, nor pharmacies to provide free medicine. Yet we require housing providers, including our smaller, more vulnerable neighborhood housing providers, to offer housing for free regardless of the circumstances,” he wrote.



Land lording on average is a tough deal during good times. So much luck if you're down to a few tenants, downright brutal on both sides if you're on the lower-income end. 

This mostly isn't good policy, though the market answer is to just turn up homelessness. And in the end the landlords still take a loss of some sort, though less of one. That market was in line for a contraction at some point. 

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« Reply #299 on: November 10, 2020, 01:24:38 PM »
Hello, floodgates.  


Mdot's post might as well be pro-flat earth.  
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« Reply #300 on: November 10, 2020, 01:30:01 PM »
Hello, floodgates. 


Mdot's post might as well be pro-flat earth. 
you are delusional. the earth is a triangle. 

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« Reply #301 on: November 10, 2020, 01:30:53 PM »
Land lording on average is a tough deal during good times. So much luck if you're down to a few tenants, downright brutal on both sides if you're on the lower-income end.

This mostly isn't good policy, though the market answer is to just turn up homelessness. And in the end the landlords still take a loss of some sort, though less of one. That market was in line for a contraction at some point.
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels. 

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« Reply #302 on: November 10, 2020, 01:32:12 PM »
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels.
We picked up most of our holdings in 2012. We're 98 percent rented (150 units).
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« Reply #303 on: November 10, 2020, 01:34:04 PM »
It was not factual, it was a clear distortion. And the clear intent was to suggest that one political party are hypocrites.

Which is of course easy to do, because both parties are. They make whatever argument benefits them today, regardless of what they've done in the past.
It is factual, and it's not a clear distortion. 

I was merely pointing out ASTOUNDING levels of hypocrisy by a bunch of assholes. Has nothing to do with politics, never suggested any election was rigged- because- you know there has to be evidence for that- and as far as I can see- there is like no evidence for 2016 or 2020.

But it is F'NG hilarious that was the narrative in 2016- RUSSIA RIGGED IT! Launched RIDICULOUS investigations/impeachment hearings. Now in 2020- ELECTIONS CANNOT BE RIGGED! It's downright hilarious- and not political at all.

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« Reply #304 on: November 10, 2020, 01:36:45 PM »
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels.
Residential real estate in South Florida is going bonkers and continues to go to this day. Especially the higher end luxury market. That's single family stuff though. The high-rise/condo stuff has slowed down a bit- but it's always strong bc South Florida is an international playground of the rich. Every rich asshole in the world has a multi-million dollar vacation condo in South Florida.

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« Reply #305 on: November 10, 2020, 01:42:39 PM »
It's got to be hard to be taken seriously when you're playing word games with 'rigged' and 'influenced'.  Laughing off the former as absurd and ignoring the avalanche of evidence for the latter.
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« Reply #306 on: November 10, 2020, 01:44:03 PM »
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« Reply #307 on: November 10, 2020, 03:14:55 PM »
It is factual, and it's not a clear distortion.

I was merely pointing out ASTOUNDING levels of hypocrisy by a bunch of assholes. Has nothing to do with politics, never suggested any election was rigged- because- you know there has to be evidence for that- and as far as I can see- there is like no evidence for 2016 or 2020.

But it is F'NG hilarious that was the narrative in 2016- RUSSIA RIGGED IT! Launched RIDICULOUS investigations/impeachment hearings. Now in 2020- ELECTIONS CANNOT BE RIGGED! It's downright hilarious- and not political at all.
No. Words mean things. People here [rightly, IMHO] jump on OAM because he'll often make some bombastic statement or statement with no possible nuance and when challenged say "you know what I meant."

In 2016, the Russians did not rig the election and no credible source anywhere has claimed they did. To "rig" an election would be to mess with the vote such that legitimate votes were not counted, illegitimate votes were cast and counted, or the vote totals were changed/modified, and thus the outcome of the election was NOT what the voters actually cast their ballots for. 

In 2016, the Russians engaged in a state-sponsored campaign [mostly via social media as I understand it with the aid of biased news web sites] to spread misinformation and disinformation and influence the outcome of the election. Essentially all they did was try to change perception of one candidate relative to the other. Basically they were surreptitiously campaigning for Trump, not rigging an election. However, in no possible way can this be called "rigging" an election. 

None of what the Russians did would really be actionable, to be honest. If the Trump campaign had colluded with them, however, that would have been a major problem. But that wasn't proven. 

It's now 2020. The claims are that the election was rigged, that it's a fraud, that fraudulent votes were cast, that the counts are incorrect, etc. This is a much different claim than what the Democrats claimed about 2016. 

That's why it is not factual. The Democrats didn't claim in 2016 that Russia rigged the election, they claimed that Russia was influencing the election for Trump and believed that Trump colluded with Russia to do so. The didn't claim that the vote wasn't legitimate. Now the Republicans are claiming that the election was actually rigged and the vote counts aren't legitimate.

Two different claims. You're the one putting words in the 2016 Dems' mouths here to claim it's hypocrisy, but that's not accurate. 

 

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