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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #574 on: November 15, 2020, 02:50:59 PM »
Now, how did the term "hot dog" come to be?

I asked the wife if they had hot dogs in France and she said she'd never seen one, obviously they likely have them somewhere.  I'm a bit amazed how expensive a hot dog is in a restaurant that serves them.  I gather every menu item starts at say $5 regardless and then adds cost to make it.  A hot dog at the Nook is $9 I think, it comes wit "totchos" (or fries).  One hot dog.  That place stays busy nearly all the time, and a bit noisy as they moved a lot of tables outside into their parking lot.

The food is OK, not bad, typical bar food.  It is easy to spend $50 on lunch for two though.


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« Reply #575 on: November 15, 2020, 04:24:32 PM »
Now, how did the term "hot dog" come to be?

I asked the wife if they had hot dogs in France and she said she'd never seen one, obviously they likely have them somewhere.  I'm a bit amazed how expensive a hot dog is in a restaurant that serves them.  I gather every menu item starts at say $5 regardless and then adds cost to make it.  A hot dog at the Nook is $9 I think, it comes wit "totchos" (or fries).  One hot dog.  That place stays busy nearly all the time, and a bit noisy as they moved a lot of tables outside into their parking lot.

The food is OK, not bad, typical bar food.  It is easy to spend $50 on lunch for two though.


World's Fair in Chicago.

Some dude was selling sausages and couldn't sell many, because they were too hot to be handheld. So, he put his "hot dogs" in a bun and the rest is the rest.
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« Reply #576 on: November 15, 2020, 05:54:56 PM »
I see some forecast lows in the 30s next week.  I might freeze.

Today was nice but windy midafternoon.

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« Reply #577 on: November 15, 2020, 05:58:18 PM »
beautiful fall day here - mid 40s,  a bit windy early

I mowed leaves

might have a Husker victory cigar and a glass of scotch on the porch later

mid to upper 50s next week

might play some golf
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« Reply #578 on: November 15, 2020, 06:02:50 PM »
World's Fair in Chicago.

Some dude was selling sausages and couldn't sell many, because they were too hot to be handheld. So, he put his "hot dogs" in a bun and the rest is the rest.
I knew the story, but not why they came to be called "dogs".  Wieners?

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« Reply #579 on: November 15, 2020, 06:12:25 PM »
Well, there's also the inconvenient name of Frankfurters which had to be changed.

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« Reply #580 on: November 15, 2020, 06:16:17 PM »
I knew the story, but not why they came to be called "dogs".  Wieners?
From Vienna and called wiener dogs
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« Reply #581 on: November 15, 2020, 06:18:01 PM »
A story that riles serious hot dog historians is how term "hot dog" came about. Some say the word was coined in 1901 at the New York Polo Grounds on a cold April day. Vendors were hawking hot dogs from portable hot water tanks shouting "They're red hot! Get your dachshund sausages while they're red hot!" A New York Journal sports cartoonist, Tad Dorgan, observed the scene and hastily drew a cartoon of barking dachshund sausages nestled warmly in rolls. Not sure how to spell "dachshund" he simply wrote "hot dog!" The cartoon is said to have been a sensation, thus coining the term "hot dog." However, historians have been unable to find this cartoon, despite Dorgan's enormous body of work and his popularity.

Kraig, and other culinary historians, point to college magazines where the word "hot dog" began appearing in the 1890s. The term was current at Yale in the fall of 1894, when "dog wagons" sold hot dogs at the dorms. The name was a sarcastic comment on the provenance of the meat. References to dachshund sausages and ultimately hot dogs can be traced to German immigrants in the 1800s. These immigrants brought not only sausages to America, but dachshund dogs. The name most likely began as a joke about the Germans' small, long, thin dogs. In fact, even Germans called the frankfurter a "little-dog" or "dachshund" sausage, thus linking the word "dog" to their popular concoction.
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« Reply #582 on: November 15, 2020, 07:38:34 PM »
I live a 113 miles due south of Cape Canaveral. 
Anytime they do a space ex launch and it’s a clear night we can see it clearly from my back patio. Such a spectacular sight!

They just launched at 10 minutes ago.
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« Reply #583 on: November 15, 2020, 10:43:17 PM »
I'd see space shuttle launches when we lived in Lakeland, about 100 miles west. 
Nothing can replicate being there at the Cape during a launch, though.  That thumping in your chest is epic.
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« Reply #584 on: November 15, 2020, 11:01:51 PM »
Minced meat was a delicacy in medieval cuisine, red meat usually being restricted to the higher classes.[16] Very little mincing was done by medieval butchers or recorded in the cookbooks of the time, perhaps because it was not part of the sausage-making process that preserves meat.
During the first half of the 19th century, most European emigrants to the New World embarked from Hamburg, and New York City was their most common destination. Restaurants in New York offered Hamburg-style American fillet,[17][18] or even beefsteak à la Hambourgeoise. Early American preparations of minced beef were therefore made to fit the tastes of European immigrants, evoking memories of the port of Hamburg and the world they left behind.[19]
Hamburg steak[edit]
In the late 19th century, the Hamburg steak became popular on the menus of many restaurants in the port of New York. This might consist of a fried patty of chopped beef, eggs, onions, and seasoning,[20] or it might be lightly salted and often smoked, and served raw in a dish along with onions and bread crumbs.[21][page needed] The oldest document that refers to the Hamburg steak is a Delmonico's Restaurant menu from 1873 which offered customers an 11-cent plate of Hamburg steak that had been developed by American chef Charles Ranhofer (1836–1899). This price was high for the time, twice the price of a simple fillet of beef steak.[18][22][page needed] However, by the end of the century the Hamburg steak was gaining popularity because of its ease of preparation decreasing cost. This is evident from its detailed description in some of the most popular cookbooks of the day.[13][page needed] Documents show that this preparation style was used by 1887 in some U.S. restaurants and was also used for feeding patients in hospitals; the Hamburg steak was served raw or lightly cooked and was accompanied by a raw egg.[23]
The menus of many American restaurants during the 19th century included a Hamburg beefsteak that was often sold for breakfast.[24] A variant of Hamburg steak is the Salisbury steak, which is usually served with a gravy similar in texture to brown sauce. Invented by Dr. James Salisbury (1823–1905), the term Salisbury steak has been used in the United States since 1897.[25] Nowadays, in the city of Hamburg as well as in parts of northern Germany, this type dish is called Frikadelle, Frikandelle, or Bulette, which is similar to the meatball. The term hamburger steak was replaced by hamburger by 1930, which has in turn been somewhat displaced by the simpler term, burger.[26] The latter term is now commonly used as a suffix to create new words for different variants of the hamburger, including cheeseburger, porkburger, baconburger and mooseburger. There are other foods with names derived from German cities that are shortened in different ways in American English. An example is the frankfurter, often abbreviated as frank.[26]
"Burg" comes from Old High German "burg," meaning "fortified town."  IIRC, the Dutch equivalent is "burgh" and the French equivalent is "bourg."  All originally meaning about the same thing.  "Bourgeoise" comes from the people who lived in such towns.  "Borough" is another derivation.
"Furt" does not mean "fort," as some might guess, but "ford."  So, "Frankfurt" would have originated as a name for a place where the Franks (who were Germanic, not Gallic) forded or could ford a river.
The suffix "-er" in German means "of the place."  Frankfurters are from Frankfurt, Hamburgers are from Hamburg, Berliners are from Berlin, and Wieners are from Vienna (Wien).
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« Reply #585 on: November 16, 2020, 07:47:01 AM »
Damn NE Ohio got pounded by high winds up until about 11 pm last nite.Trees & wires down and power out all over the place.I had large branches down on the roof/yard.I sympathize with any folks going thru that
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« Reply #586 on: November 16, 2020, 07:53:55 AM »
Alfred the Great pushed the idea of fortified towns that were called "Burhs" in Wessex ca. 900 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burh#:~:text=A%20burh%20(Old%20English%20pronunciation,to%20use%20against%20such%20attackers.

They were Saxons fighting the Danes at the time.  The Danes overran most of "England" as we call it now and Wessex was the last kingdom left, and it too was overrun, but the Danes didn't like sieges or attacking fortified towns, so the Saxons gradually retook England from them, and intermarried, and the place became "Englaland", Place of the Angles" (Anglo-Saxons), until some uppity French dude decided he wanted the throne even though he was a mere Duke.

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« Reply #587 on: November 16, 2020, 08:35:04 AM »
We transited Frankfurt to and from Rome last winter. While in the airport, I ate a frankfurter. 

You know, the whole "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" bit. When in Frankfurt, eat a frankfurter.

 

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