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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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847badgerfan

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U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Trump's claims shouldn't either but, there were about 4-5 pages of discussion about his claims yesterday

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Trump's claims shouldn't either but, there were about 4-5 pages of discussion about his claims yesterday

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Sure but a lot of that was me laughing at him.

But still, just as Israeli and Iranian leaders have to claim victory, so does Trump.  He's just super-irritating and infantile in the way he does it.  It triggers people.

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Sure but a lot of that was me laughing at him.

But still, just as Israeli and Iranian leaders have to claim victory, so does Trump.  He's just super-irritating and infantile in the way he does it.  It triggers people.
Doesn't trigger me, but my mind is strong.
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Trump certainly "triggers" a lot of people, by any definition of the term.  I think most of us here are used to it and expect it, so we blow it off.

In terms of being an effective leader, in my view, it is distracting and deleterious to getting much really done, but so be it.

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it might trigger me if he hadn't been this way is whole life and I didn't expect it and wasn't so tired of it.

it's like being triggered by a duck quacking or any politician lying
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I tend to pay almost no attention to what Trump says, it's usually predictable, including all the hyperbole.  Occasionally he may say something relevant and important, but then, if he does he may reverse positions in a week anyway.

The key, for me, is legislation (and appointments and foreign policy).  The bombast is not nearly as important.

I look at NATO countries claiming they will spend 5% GDP on defense, and have to wonder "by when?".  They agreed to 2% years ago and still many are not at that level including Germany which is the main actor in all of this.

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I tend to pay almost no attention to what Trump says, it's usually predictable, including all the hyperbole.  Occasionally he may say something relevant and important, but then, if he does he may reverse positions in a week anyway.

The key, for me, is legislation (and appointments and foreign policy).  The bombast is not nearly as important.

I look at NATO countries claiming they will spend 5% GDP on defense, and have to wonder "by when?".  They agreed to 2% years ago and still many are not at that level including Germany which is the main actor in all of this.
The little blurb a few days ago where Trump famously said "They've been at it so hard and so long they have no idea what the fuck their doing" was actually the smartest thing I've heard him say in awhile.  I've heard that there is the "Public Facing Trump" (PFT) that says all the crazy stuff and sometimes sounds really dumb, and then there is the Real Donald Trump (RDT) that makes the deals and is actually intelligent.  I have no idea if this is true, but Bill Mahr kinda said the same thing about meeting with Trump about a month or so ago.  Basically, the best compliment Mahr could say about Trump is that in real life he's not as crazy as he is on TV.  

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Doesn't trigger me, but my mind is strong.
Mmmmm. 

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Doesn't trigger me, but my mind is strong.

Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me.

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The little blurb a few days ago where Trump famously said "They've been at it so hard and so long they have no idea what the fuck their doing" was actually the smartest thing I've heard him say in awhile.  I've heard that there is the "Public Facing Trump" (PFT) that says all the crazy stuff and sometimes sounds really dumb, and then there is the Real Donald Trump (RDT) that makes the deals and is actually intelligent.  I have no idea if this is true, but Bill Mahr kinda said the same thing about meeting with Trump about a month or so ago.  Basically, the best compliment Mahr could say about Trump is that in real life he's not as crazy as he is on TV. 
I saw that episode of Real Time on YouTube and I thought that was interesting.  

Assuming that a politician is dumb either because you don't like them, or because you disagree with them, or because they don't sound all that intelligent when they talk is, I think, a dangerous assumption and you are probably wrong.  

Years ago when Bush II was in office I remember there was a little dust-up because some Yale professor who taught both had said that Kerry was smarter than Bush but then somebody found the transcripts and Bush actually got a better grade than Kerry in the guy's class.  

I looked into Bush because he really did sound like, at best, he had below average intelligence.  I'll tell you what I found.  In Bush's very first run for public office he ran against an incumbent Democratic Congressman in a Texas Congressional District that had historically been D but had trended R and *SHOULD* have been "winnable" for a decent Republican candidate.  Bush got smoked.  If you look into the details, the incumbent Democrat had painted Bush as a "coastal elitist Yale boy" completely out of touch with REAL Texans.  

I'm going to tell you and I think that @SFBadger96 will concur that when you get beat on something like that it sticks with you.  You adapt and learn to avoid it and NEVER make that mistake again.  That, at least to me, explained why Bush always sounded so dumb.  I honestly believe that it was a learned thing.  If you'd have met him at Yale he probably sounded like all the other Yale students but after losing an election for sounding too much like a coastal elitist Yale guy, he learned to sound like an average Texan and well, that is what you saw in the WH from 2001-2008.  

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We definitely don't take too kindly to coastal elitist Yalies down here in Texico!


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I'm still amazed how much I thought I generally agreed with Bush II back when, and how I look back at his presidency now and dislike so much of it.  

Part of that is I didn't pay close attention to politics back then like I do now.  As you know, I was too busy chasing good-looking women in Austin.  But the other part is I'm less "Team Elephant!" now and have tried to work out my own opinions in the context of my worldview, which has evolved itself as I studied critical thinking and theology over the years.  

I don't dislike everything about his presidency, but I dislike a fair bit of it.  And especially his last one or two years in office.  At this point, I feel like he basically did everything wrong on his way out the door.  

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I saw that episode of Real Time on YouTube and I thought that was interesting. 

Assuming that a politician is dumb either because you don't like them, or because you disagree with them, or because they don't sound all that intelligent when they talk is, I think, a dangerous assumption and you are probably wrong. 

Years ago when Bush II was in office I remember there was a little dust-up because some Yale professor who taught both had said that Kerry was smarter than Bush but then somebody found the transcripts and Bush actually got a better grade than Kerry in the guy's class. 

I looked into Bush because he really did sound like, at best, he had below average intelligence.  I'll tell you what I found.  In Bush's very first run for public office he ran against an incumbent Democratic Congressman in a Texas Congressional District that had historically been D but had trended R and *SHOULD* have been "winnable" for a decent Republican candidate.  Bush got smoked.  If you look into the details, the incumbent Democrat had painted Bush as a "coastal elitist Yale boy" completely out of touch with REAL Texans. 

I'm going to tell you and I think that @SFBadger96 will concur that when you get beat on something like that it sticks with you.  You adapt and learn to avoid it and NEVER make that mistake again.  That, at least to me, explained why Bush always sounded so dumb.  I honestly believe that it was a learned thing.  If you'd have met him at Yale he probably sounded like all the other Yale students but after losing an election for sounding too much like a coastal elitist Yale guy, he learned to sound like an average Texan and well, that is what you saw in the WH from 2001-2008. 

None of them are dumb.  Except maybe Kamala.

Even Biden was very skilled in his younger days.  He got dumb because of father time.

 

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