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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42980 on: March 17, 2025, 09:16:05 AM »
Man, that’s one of those complaints whose value swung hard with the utility to a given party.
One party is using favorable appointees in the judicial branch to block orders of a sitting president. Does this not bother you at all? Maybe just a little? Maybe?

A favorable judge blocking the deportation of violent illegals? This is OK? 
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« Reply #42981 on: March 17, 2025, 10:12:06 AM »
In the past nationwide judicial injunctions or orders were handed down from a panel of three federal judges.  Not sure when they switched to being OK with just one federal judge.  Its pretty clear what is going on now and the President should probably just ignore such on a separations of power basis IMO.
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« Reply #42982 on: March 17, 2025, 10:57:18 AM »
In the past nationwide judicial injunctions or orders were handed down from a panel of three federal judges.  Not sure when they switched to being OK with just one federal judge.  Its pretty clear what is going on now and the President should probably just ignore such on a separations of power basis IMO.
Is there some citation for this? (The lack of knowledge of the structure here makes me a little skeptical about this particular point)

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« Reply #42983 on: March 17, 2025, 11:02:48 AM »
One party is using favorable appointees in the judicial branch to block orders of a sitting president. Does this not bother you at all? Maybe just a little? Maybe?

A favorable judge blocking the deportation of violent illegals? This is OK?
I mean, it happened a bunch from 2021 to 2024, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of folks who are bothered now. Thus my comment. 

I don't particularly like some of the judge shopping and finding people willing to carry out agendas instead of looking at the law. But I'm fine with the judicial branch blocking orders of a sitting president in a vacuum. The founders put in checks and balances. They're there to check and balance. 

As for blocking the deportation of "violent illegals," I'd have to see what the reason was. If the reason is something super specious, that seems pretty bad. If the reason is because legal processes are being sidestepped, seems like a good reason to slow on down. 

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« Reply #42984 on: March 17, 2025, 11:08:29 AM »
One Justice (Thomas) called this out in an opinion a few years ago (in a concurrence and also a dissent).  he believes the Court (SCOTUS) should evaluate the practice of Federal District Court judges issuing TROs which extend across the entire country.    some ripe separation of powers questions.

this has been a nerdy topic of discussion in legal circles for many years,  just because it isn't a cable news topic, or covered by prestige/elite press doesn't mean it hasn't been debated/mentioned.    the debate predates Trump, Biden etc.

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« Reply #42985 on: March 17, 2025, 11:21:33 AM »
I mean, it happened a bunch from 2021 to 2024, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of folks who are bothered now. Thus my comment.

I don't particularly like some of the judge shopping and finding people willing to carry out agendas instead of looking at the law. But I'm fine with the judicial branch blocking orders of a sitting president in a vacuum. The founders put in checks and balances. They're there to check and balance.

As for blocking the deportation of "violent illegals," I'd have to see what the reason was. If the reason is something super specious, that seems pretty bad. If the reason is because legal processes are being sidestepped, seems like a good reason to slow on down.
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« Reply #42986 on: March 17, 2025, 11:24:58 AM »
One Justice (Thomas) called this out in an opinion a few years ago (in a concurrence and also a dissent).  he believes the Court (SCOTUS) should evaluate the practice of Federal District Court judges issuing TROs which extend across the entire country.    some ripe separation of powers questions.

this has been a nerdy topic of discussion in legal circles for many years,  just because it isn't a cable news topic, or covered by prestige/elite press doesn't mean it hasn't been debated/mentioned.    the debate predates Trump, Biden etc.
I was reading something about how it became a lot more commonplace in the past 15-20 years? But not sure about the depth of that. 

In either case, it seems a good bit like the filibuster. Useful when you want to use it, a damn shame when used against you. 

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« Reply #42987 on: March 17, 2025, 11:26:45 AM »
Blocking the forgiveness of student loans doesn't bother me a bit.
See, you didn't have a problem with the process at all! My original point stands.

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« Reply #42988 on: March 17, 2025, 11:35:54 AM »
See, you didn't have a problem with the process at all! My original point stands.
I'm not OK with judges blocking the deportation of dangerous illegal aliens.
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« Reply #42989 on: March 17, 2025, 11:43:00 AM »
I'm not OK with judges blocking the deportation of dangerous illegal aliens.
That’s true. But that is mostly unconnected to the district court complaints. You would feel the same way about an appeals court or the Supreme Court. Or if a president stopped it from happening.

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« Reply #42990 on: March 17, 2025, 11:44:55 AM »
A district court judge did block deportations.
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« Reply #42991 on: March 17, 2025, 11:56:42 AM »
A district court judge did block deportations.
Sure. But if you think a district court blocking some things on that scale is bad and other things on that scale is good, then you fundamentally don't care about the act of district courts blocking things. 

And that's sort of our politics. Many folks often don't care about process or rights because we only care about outcomes, not that those outcomes are reached through appropriate means. 

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« Reply #42992 on: March 17, 2025, 12:06:10 PM »
Guys, seriously, federal judges--including district court judges--have made these kinds of rulings forever. It's what the judiciary does, and always has done (well, since Marbury vs. Madison told President Thomas Jefferson he couldn't refuse to deliver commissions approved at the end of the Adams administration).

We have an appellate court system that goes all the way to the Supreme Court, a court that is as friendly to the sitting president as maybe ever. Maybe rely on that for a second.

Don't get your panties in a knot. 

People who get frustrated with the judicial process say the road to hell is paved in due process, but for the people whose rights have been abused, due process is crucial. It's also enshrined in the Constitution, so unless you want to throw that out, cool your jets.

Has the judiciary become more politicized in the last 40 years? Yes. Can you blame the Robert Bork hearings way back in, what, 1986? Probably. Has the Federalist Society become much more effective than any organization on the left at advocating for and getting politicized judges installed on the bench? Yes. Is this all part of our democratic process? That, too. So unless you were horrified that Judge Cannon single-handedly derailed a high profile federal prosecution based on highly suspect rulings, call the wahhh-mbulance, you snowflakes.

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« Reply #42993 on: March 17, 2025, 12:22:23 PM »
I don't care who it is.

A Federal judge should absolutely NOT be overturning the decision of a POTUS deporting dangerous ILLEGAL aliens - or any illegal aliens, for that matter.

They are here illegally.
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