header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Help - Notable Worst HCs

 (Read 458 times)

CWSooner

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3991
  • Liked:
Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2020, 10:50:35 PM »
I meant "or" as opposed to "and"?
That was very funny as a (seeming) response to Badge's point about "Harbaugh or bust."
Play Like a Champion Today

bayareabadger

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 3170
  • Liked:
Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2020, 10:51:31 PM »
Did anybody--other than Bill Yeoman, the guy who invented it-- ever do much with the veer?
OU installed it in spring 1970 replacing (I think) the Split-T that Bud Wilkinson had learned from Don Faurot.  Started the season 2-1, with unimpressive wins over SMU and Wisconsin and a loss to Oregon State. The offense seemed like not much of an improvement. Next opponent up was Open Date, then Texas.  OC Barry Switzer convinced HC Chuck Fairbanks to install the wishbone.  So it was done.  Despite losing 41-9 at Texas, the Fairbanks and Switzer thought that the wishbone looked to have more potential than the veer. And the rest is history.Do you mean Steve Kragthorpe?
If so, as HC, he turned Tulsa around in a great way before going to Louisville and falling flat.  I'm still a bit mystified by the whole thing.

To the first part: The Veer isn't exactly a purely defined offense. A lot of base option plays are "veer" plays, so the wishbone and most other option stuff uses a lot of veer plays. So no one else of note ran a "veer" offense, but plenty of people borrowed most of the veer concepts in stuff that were called something else. 

Dave is Steve's dad. He won a national title in the middle of a 21-14 three-year run at Idaho State. He left that to be Utah State's AD, then went 17-48-2 at Oregon State. He topped out at 4-6-1 or 4-7-1. 

I looked back at those Tulsa teams. He turned at bad program to decent. His Louisville case is bad for those who push consistent small school coaches that overcame rather than having one big year. Tulsa was good for a while after, though.

CWSooner

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3991
  • Liked:
Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2020, 10:58:53 PM »
Kingsbury always struck me as deeply mediocre. All offense, no defense, middling records everywhere. I get the Mahomes logic, but man they fielded some sieves.
Too busy admiring himself, I suspect.


Quote
Wannestedt is intersting. He has the best winning percentage at the school in the past three decades. He basically had three years of build off, three decent years in the bad Big East and then was gone. I don't know he was good, but Pitt has three seasons of 9-4 or better since 1982, and he had two of them. I think Pitt is just Pitt.

Kragthorpe is a good one. He was relatively successful at Tulsa, but not overly so. By assumption is Bobby never leaves the cupboard that full, but Krags certianly didn't do much.


Kragthorpe inherited a Tulsa program that had gone 7-28 in the previous three seasons.  He had three winning seasons out of four and went to three bowls.  That was a turnaround. 
I was teaching at a school down the street from the University of Tulsa.  Our football team went and got its team photo in TU's stadium.  Football practice was going on.  Our football coaches were very impressed with the organization and lack of wasted time.
As I posted elsewhere, I didn't understand his total failure at Louisville.
Play Like a Champion Today

CWSooner

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3991
  • Liked:
Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2020, 11:17:35 PM »
About "fit."  Howard Schnellenberger at Oklahoma is a classic example of its lack.

Schnelly certainly knew how to coach.  He was successful at Louisville and Miami.  But I think he thought he was running the Howard Schellenberger Show rather than the University of Oklahoma football program in Norman.  He went 4-1 (38-17 loss to Colorado) to start the season, tied Texas 24-24, then chalked up a 1-4 record on the backside of the season. 1995 it was.

And then he was gone.

Then we got John Blake, our worst ever.  But nobody wished that Schnelly were back.
Play Like a Champion Today

 

Associate Links/Search