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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2020, 07:09:58 PM »
That guy that replaced Glen Mason at Minnesota was hilariously bad. He was like a TE coach in the NFL, when they hired him.

He lost at least one game to a team in each of the surrounding states, including both of the Dakotas
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2020, 09:44:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 29, 2020, 04:17:49 PM
Wannestedt is intersting. He has the best winning percentage at the school in the past three decades. He basically had three years of build off, three decent years in the bad Big East and then was gone. I don't know he was good, but Pitt has three seasons of 9-4 or better since 1982, and he had two of them. I think Pitt is just Pitt.
It's similar with Miss State.....on the SEC board, we were talking about each program's best HC or most wins or whatever, and MSU's is Jackie Sherrill.  
Sherrill peaked with his early-80s Pitt teams, but another poster was surprised that his tenure in Starkville warranted an all-time list of anything...but hey, he does, because......it's Mississippi State.  There's a ceiling.

And I think I agree, similar to ND perhaps, that Pitt has a ceiling and it's lower than it was, going on 40 years ago.  I slide ND in there, because while they've had a couple of undefeated regular seasons in the past decade, those teams have shown they're not on the same level as the big boys.  
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2020, 09:48:30 PM »
Could someone older than me recall the moving parts of Johnny Majors leaving Pitt, where he won a NC in '76, to go to Tennessee and how Sherrill fielded powerhouse teams at Pitt from 80-82?  

I'm just too young to really know.
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« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2020, 10:00:37 PM »


Wannstedt was the ultimate "if you take away all of their TDs, FGs and those two punts that they blocked, we totally could have won that game" guy.

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2020, 10:13:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 29, 2020, 09:48:30 PM
Could someone older than me recall the moving parts of Johnny Majors leaving Pitt, where he won a NC in '76, to go to Tennessee and how Sherrill fielded powerhouse teams at Pitt from 80-82? 

I'm just too young to really know.
Majors simply put a wall around Western PA, when that was probably the most fertile recruiting ground in the country.  Wan't his first class (headlined by Tony Dorsett) made up of liek 70 guys, back in the pre-scholarship limits.  He left to go "home" to Tennessee.

Sherrill, sort of just kept the ball rolling, and one of those Western PA kids that came through at the time was Dan Marino.  Texas A&M paid him an obscene amount of money, I believe making him the highest paid coach in the nation, after Bo Schembechler turned down a similar offer, to stay in Ann Arbor.

The flip side to how successful Majors and Sherrill were simply by locking down Western PA, is that the school has spent 40 years since trying to chase success through that method.  The problem is that there simply isn't the talent in the area to fill a national title contender anymore, and they struggle to even beat out OSU, PSU and ND for enough kids in the area.
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« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2020, 10:18:31 PM »
Ah, ignoring the mass migration to the sun belt....that'll do it.  

That's interesting about A&M....I hadn't know they had thrown big money to lure away a HC from a legit program, like they did with Jimbo Fisher.  Thanks for that.

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« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2020, 10:20:20 PM »
Also interesting that Pitt went after Sherrill, their former DC for 3 years, despite his leaving to be HC at Washington State for a year and stinking (3-8).  

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« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2020, 10:25:30 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 28, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Morton has some staying power in Wisconsin. People talk about him like OSU fans talk about Cooper, with that eye-rolling distain. Say "Veer" around older UW fans, they bitch about Don Morton. Say Don Morton "The stupid veer."
Did anybody--other than Bill Yeoman, the guy who invented it-- ever do much with the veer?
OU installed it in spring 1970 replacing (I think) the Split-T that Bud Wilkinson had learned from Don Faurot.  Started the season 2-1, with unimpressive wins over SMU and Wisconsin and a loss to Oregon State. The offense seemed like not much of an improvement. Next opponent up was Open Date, then Texas.  OC Barry Switzer convinced HC Chuck Fairbanks to install the wishbone.  So it was done.  Despite losing 41-9 at Texas, the Fairbanks and Switzer thought that the wishbone looked to have more potential than the veer. And the rest is history.
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Anywho, I pulled up lists of coaching records and scanned people with terrible records for names I knew or people who seemed interesting. A lot of assistants who bombed out.
David Beaty
Norm Chow
Tom Cable
Jim Caldwell (belied by NFL success)
Mike DeBord
Bob Diaco
Jon Embree
Ron English
Turner Gill
Vic Koenning
Dave Kragthorpe
Mike Locksley
Chuck Long
Not yet, but eventually Scot Loeffler
Carl Pelini
Paul Petrino
Ted Roof
Greg Robinson
Kevin Steele
Lou Saban
Buddy Teevens
Don Treadwell
Everett Withers
Jim Wacker
Jennings Whitworth (went 22-27 at OkSU, got Bama, went 4-24-2, replaced by Bear)
Do you mean Steve Kragthorpe?
If so, as HC, he turned Tulsa around in a great way before going to Louisville and falling flat.  I'm still a bit mystified by the whole thing.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #78 on: July 29, 2020, 10:26:42 PM »
Imagine how HE feels, lol.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2020, 10:29:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 29, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Also interesting that Pitt went after Sherrill, their former DC for 3 years, despite his leaving to be HC at Washington State for a year and stinking (3-8). 



It's Wazzou. The only coaches who have ever won there were Mikes Price and Leach, and each of them had multiple three win seasons along the way.

Price went 3-8 thrice, and 3-9 once. Leach went 3-9 twice. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2020, 10:35:13 PM »
Quote from: ALA2262 on July 28, 2020, 11:35:42 AM
Moeller High School[edit]
Faust had a highly successful run at Moeller High School in Cincinnati, Ohio from 1962 to 1980, where he built the program from scratch.[2] The Crusaders under Faust had a 178–23–2 record and included seven unbeaten seasons, four national prep titles, and five Ohio state titles in his last six seasons.[3] One of Faust's linebackers at Moeller was John Boehner, who later became a United States Congressman and the 61st Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.[4]
Faust was inducted into the National Federation of State High School Associations Hall of Fame in 2004.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Faust
I saw Army beat Gerry Faust's Akron Zips in Michie Stadium.
The Peter Principle kicked in whenever he tried coaching at a level higher than high school
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« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2020, 10:41:20 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 28, 2020, 12:04:50 PM
The worst coach at UGA in my lifetime was of course Ray Goff, who was a pretty good QB back in the day.  I am pretty sure he put in the effort and time but lacked whatever it is that makes for a good coach, which is a thing we could discuss all day.

Kirby is a very good recruiter apparently, or has folks working for him who are good.  I have a sense the assistant coaches are really important in making the HC look good, or bad.  When Richt had good assistants, he looked pretty decent.

I was not a fan of Grantham.
Maybe Goff needed a bagman with a bigger bag.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2020, 10:42:03 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 29, 2020, 07:09:58 PM
That guy that replaced Glen Mason at Minnesota was hilariously bad. He was like a TE coach in the NFL, when they hired him.

He lost at least one game to a team in each of the surrounding states, including both of the Dakotas
That's a solid one. He had two horrible seasons. Two OK ones in between. Created some good false hope. 
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« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2020, 10:44:54 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 28, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
Bill Callahan head coaching


2002 Raiders 11-5
2003 Raiders 4-12

2004 Huskers 5-6
2005 Huskers 8-4
2006 Huskers 9-5
2007 Huskers 5-7

2019 Redskins 3-8
And he was shocked that the fans were "throwing fruit" in Norman.  "Hillibillies" he called us!
Maybe a lack of people skills was his problem.  I wonder if he suffers from Asperger's syndrome.
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