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Topic: Help - Notable Worst HCs

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CWSooner

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2020, 12:57:05 AM »
O’Leary went 52-33 at GT and 81-68 at UCF with five years of nine wins or more.

As you said, the issue is guys who get good jobs did well at small jobs. Guys who get very god jobs often did well at decent to good jobs (Rich Rod).

so the best bet is coordinators who jumped in (Weis) or guys with short first stints.

Darrell Hazel is a good one
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Stan Parrish 9-51-1 in six-plus years at K State, Ball State and three interim games at EMU.

Will Muschamp is an interesting one because he’s had two good seasons and another that was close to as good as you could expect in eight, with two bad and three blah. Florida should be better than it was, South Carolina, maybe a little. McElwain was modestly successful On average, though his personality let to a quick ouster when it went bad.

Edit: My fun fact was wrong because the spreadsheet was limited. I regret the error.
OU's three winningest (in order of # of wins) HFCs--Bob Stoops, Barry Switzer, and Bud Wilkinson--were all major-college coordinators (Bud and Barry at OU)--not small-college HCs--before taking over the Sooner program.
Back to the topic, OU's worst HC was John Blake.  12-22 from 1996 through 1998.  Worst three-year stretch in program history.  Lowest winning % (35%) of anyone except a guy who went 0-1 in 1895.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2020, 10:37:00 AM »
Bobby Williams?

Took over Saban's roster, and promptly ran it into the ground.  Rampant drug use, terrible play.

Then when asked if he had lost the team, simply said "I don't know"

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2020, 10:59:36 AM »
I think Les Miles deserves an honorable mention in this category. He did less with more than virtually any other coach. I really miss him. 

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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2020, 12:14:25 PM »
I think Les Miles deserves an honorable mention in this category. He did less with more than virtually any other coach. I really miss him.
I have to say there has never been a coach as successful as Miles that I’ve had such little regard for.

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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2020, 01:26:25 PM »
During the RichRod/Hoke years, Wolverine fans would have crawled across broken glass from Ann Arbor to Baton Rouge in order to have Les Miles as their HC. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2020, 01:29:41 PM »
I always thought it was Harbaugh, or bust.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2020, 01:43:39 PM »
Or?

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« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2020, 01:52:55 PM »
Ya back when Loyd was leaving .wasn't it Mdot or Anon Coward's handle  "less Carr more Miles" or sumsuch
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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2020, 01:55:09 PM »
I think that was when the Wolverines and Harbaugh were feuding over his status as a Michigan Man. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2020, 02:51:22 PM »
Ya back when Loyd was leaving .wasn't it Mdot or Anon Coward's handle  "less Carr more Miles" or sumsuch
I meant "or" as opposed to "and"?

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2020, 03:37:20 PM »
What are the most famous 'bad' coaches ever?  Along the lines of Lane Kiffin, from the perspective of a Tennessee fan. 

The more commonly known, the better.
It's a REALLY hard question... Most terrible coaches don't ever have enough notoriety to be counted. Kiffin wasn't even a terrible coach, from the perspective of a Tennessee fan. He's hated because he left--and how he left--not because he was a terrible coach. 

I'd nominate Darrell Hazell, of course.

  • Was never a head coach prior to his Kent State job. Assistant under Tressel at OSU.
  • At Kent State (historically bad team), he had one middling year and then one really amazing year.
  • He got the Purdue job, didn't bring his coordinators from Kent State, and proceeded to be the historically worst Purdue coach in our history. That's not hyperbole--he was TERRIBLE.
  • He did so in several ways. Poor recruiting. Poor hiring (John Shoop?!?! as your OC). Poor player development. Allowing Shoop to create an overly-complex offense that the team couldn't execute because the playbook was too big for college players. Shoehorning a pro-style offensive scheme into a school where the talent wouldn't support it.  


After Purdue, he [rightly] got kicked down several notches, going from college head coach to position coach (WR) in the NFL. After just two years of that, and at only 54 years of age, he retired from coaching. 

As a man, I respect Darrell Hazell. He seems like a really stand-up guy. As a coach, he not only failed the Purdue program as a coach but left a smoking crater that Jeff Brohm has spent the last 3 years trying to dig out of. Hazell was so bad that with a <.500 record, Jeff Brohm is already looking like a miracle worker just to make the team mediocre. 

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2020, 04:17:49 PM »
How this thread has went 4 pages without any mention of Kliff Kingsbury is beyond me. 

Dave Wannestedt was bad at Pitt. Pitt could have, and possibly should have, been the bully on the block in the new BE once Miami and company left. In six seasons there Wannestedt never won the conference and finished ranked once.

Steve Kragthorpe took over for Petrino at Louisville and promptly ran that program straight into the ground.
Kingsbury always struck me as deeply mediocre. All offense, no defense, middling records everywhere. I get the Mahomes logic, but man they fielded some sieves.

Wannestedt is intersting. He has the best winning percentage at the school in the past three decades. He basically had three years of build off, three decent years in the bad Big East and then was gone. I don't know he was good, but Pitt has three seasons of 9-4 or better since 1982, and he had two of them. I think Pitt is just Pitt.

Kragthorpe is a good one. He was relatively successful at Tulsa, but not overly so. By assumption is Bobby never leaves the cupboard that full, but Krags certianly didn't do much.

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2020, 04:24:34 PM »
OU's three winningest (in order of # of wins) HFCs--Bob Stoops, Barry Switzer, and Bud Wilkinson--were all major-college coordinators (Bud and Barry at OU)--not small-college HCs--before taking over the Sooner program.
Back to the topic, OU's worst HC was John Blake.  12-22 from 1996 through 1998.  Worst three-year stretch in program history.  Lowest winning % (35%) of anyone except a guy who went 0-1 in 1895.
This isn't to say that hiring a coordinator is bad, but when you're looking at really bad head coaches, coordinators who get big jobs tend and are bad don't have the backing of having been good HCs at any point. Now some were not very good HCs  before they got the good jobs (Hazel, in some senses Hoke), but it tends to cut into the bad HC resume. 

(One early job story I think is fascinating is Urban Meyer's BG tenure, as it was kinda less glorious than it gets treated now)

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2020, 06:20:29 PM »
Kingsbury always struck me as deeply mediocre. All offense, no defense, middling records everywhere. I get the Mahomes logic, but man they fielded some sieves.
I could be very happy being mediocre

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