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Topic: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?

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Mdot21

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GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« on: September 29, 2019, 01:52:11 PM »
I believe Urbs has 3 MNC’s to Nick’s 5. 

While Nick does have more NC’s he’s also been coaching longer than Urban. 

The reason why I think I lean toward Urban is he’s won big everywhere he’s been. Nick started out in the MAC and was a failure there. Nick also was pretty good at MSU- but he never really broke through into the elite there. 

Urban won big almost right away in the MAC at BGSU and used that as a spring board into Utah. He absolutely crushed it at Utah going 22-2 and really put them on the map. You could make a great argument they are in the PAC and they became a P5 program bc of Urban. Not sure they ever get an invite if Urban doesn’t turn that thing into a juggernaut. Then he goes to Florida and dominates the SEC and wins two titles. Then he goes to Ohio State and dominates the B1G and wins another title.

They are both highly impressive anyway you wanna slice it, but I think if you look at their careers on the whole, Urban comes out on top. He’s just been a smashing success everywhere he’s been.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 02:06:03 PM »
Saban.
And he has 6 NCs.



Every time he loses, it's an upset.  
Modern college football is the toughest environment to win a NC in, and he's won 6.
The playoff, specifically, has made it even tougher, and he's made the playoff every year and won it twice.


And he has longevity over Meyer.  UM doesn't survive long enough to be the pick here.  6 years at Florida, has to leave.  7 years at OSU...has to leave?
Saban has made the rest of the country feel as if it's not fair.  He's tough, recruits the most talent, and never lets up.  



It's Saban, and I don't think it's particularly close.  
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2019, 02:07:46 PM »
For clarity, Nick Saban went 9-2 in one year in the MAC and won a share of a conference title (he did lose the tiebreaker by a point on the road costing a trip to the MAC’s then-single bowl spot). That cannot be construed as failure. 

Urban won neither a division title nor did he finish better than third place in either year. He did not make a bowl either year. I believe there were two spots.

I probably ding Urbs a little because his high end production was a tad lacking at OSU.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2019, 02:10:02 PM »
What about Spurrier?
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2019, 03:16:13 PM »
Knute. 
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2019, 03:23:41 PM »
If we limit this to say since 1970, I think that eliminates some folks like the Bear from consideration and probably only Urban and Nick are left, maybe Steve.

What Alabama has done of late is quite something, even with a flubb last season with the "GOAT" team.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2019, 03:28:49 PM »
No poll?
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2019, 03:30:42 PM »
what kind of coach you looking for? 

program?, gameday?, player development?, turning out young MEN to be set loose on the world?

Saban, Spurrier, (a 'more with less coach, maybe Malzahn? Alverez?), and Richt answers those divisions imHo.. 

Saban delegates.  he's a program manager not different than an engaged CEO.  Meyer and Spurrier are hands on.  Alverez or Gus, Petterson or Peterson are 'more with less' and build impacting teams regularly, and Richt is a dying breed (though he's obviously exited) that I appreciate most- he teaches those kids more than just the game and prepares them for life during and after... there are few of these anymore, and that's a shame.  the game is now 'money' and anything/everything else follows. 

Larry Kehres.  There is your GOAT.  he did it ALL.  
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2019, 03:32:30 PM »
Bill Snyder.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2019, 03:44:26 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 29, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
If we limit this to say since 1970, I think that eliminates some folks like the Bear from consideration and probably only Urban and Nick are left, maybe Steve.

What Alabama has done of late is quite something, even with a flubb last season with the "GOAT" team.
1992 is when the NCAA set the scholarship limit at 85. So that's a year to think about. Or 1978, when it was capped at 95. Or 1972, when the first limit (105) was enacted.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2019, 04:19:07 PM »
Pop Warner,John Heisman
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2019, 06:05:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 29, 2019, 03:32:30 PM
Bill Snyder.
Yep.

Barry Switzer has always said it's Bill Snyder, and he knows a lot more than I do.
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2019, 11:19:10 AM »
you can say THAT again
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Re: GOAT Cfb Coach: Urban or Saint Nick?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2019, 01:46:17 PM »
Snyder is a do more with less guy. Very impressive, but at one kind of program.

I don't see how it's anyone other than Saban. He's been a machine.

Meyer is more like a Holtz (a better version): he can come in and turn your program into a beast, but he'll leave a few years later in the middle of a great run. Undoubtedly an all-timer, but not at Saban's level. No one is.

And that includes the old guys.

I agree that this is the most competitive cfb environment, and Saban crushes it. And sure, he has the advantages that Alabama has, but so did every coach at all the blue chips back in the day--except more so because the playing field was less level then.
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