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FearlessF · « **Reply #126 on:** November 10, 2020, 02:30:38 PM »

the Sooners are still shocked about Shockey

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #127 on:** November 10, 2020, 11:22:04 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 02:05:09 PM

Disagree.

A South Florida (Palm Beach/Broward/Dade) All-Star team would smoke a rest of FL team. Those 3 counties have nearly half the state's population and probably more than half of the state's elite football talent.

This of course isn't counting the IMG bullshit school in Tampa area- which recruits 5* and 4* kids from every state in the entire country.

I assume not, but do you live in FL?
From a generic perspective, you're making sense here. Even omitting IMG, south FL may very well beat the best from Tampa/St. Pete, Orlando, and Jax. That's true.

But it's easy to overlook 2 other spots that would include legit dudes:Pahokee/Belle Glade and the panhandle

That would put the rest of FL over the top vs Miami-Dade/Broward. But it's a mythical 'what if' and has no right answer.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #128 on:** November 10, 2020, 11:31:31 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 01:54:15 PM

Ed Zachery, the strange part is............ how many since?
How many times just in the 4 team playoff?
what changed?

Looking at it, program-by-program:
The playoff began in 2014.

Florida - Meyer left. Muschamp's peak was 2012 and the Gators didn't have the right HC entering the playoff era. And Saban.

FSU - The Noles peaked with a NC the year before the playoff began and regressed in 2014. Since losing their Heisman QB, Clemson overtook them in the ACC and Jimbo left.

Miami - the Canes are different, they haven't mattered since 2003, aside from having a good start in 2017. That year, they basically got up to #2 vs a weak schedule and beating a weak #3 ND, but wound up losing their last 3 games. Miami just hasn't had the HC they need to matter in a long time now.

So for Florida and FSU, it was a timing issue and Miami just hasn't belonged.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #129 on:** November 11, 2020, 08:12:53 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:22:04 PM

I assume not, but do you live in FL?
From a generic perspective, you're making sense here. Even omitting IMG, south FL may very well beat the best from Tampa/St. Pete, Orlando, and Jax. That's true.

But it's easy to overlook 2 other spots that would include legit dudes:Pahokee/Belle Glade and the panhandle

That would put the rest of FL over the top vs Miami-Dade/Broward. But it's a mythical 'what if' and has no right answer.

You know what assume means?

He lives in Florida, in the area of which he speaks.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #130 on:** November 11, 2020, 08:35:36 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:22:04 PM

I assume not, but do you live in FL?

He's a Miami guy. He's a fan (of the place, not the canes).

CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #131 on:** November 11, 2020, 09:53:12 AM »

Michigan fan's coaching solution comes down to hiring one of the three or four coaches that can contend for a national title every year: Saban, Meyer/Day, Swinney? Coaches whose conference rivals have almost no hope competing with season after season. Harbaugh was properly hyped; Stanford is still benefitting from his turnaround and his four years with the Niners were about the best in the NFL during his time there. Since it just hasn’t worked out in Ann Arbor I won’t be surprised if Harbaugh is back in the NFL soon. If instead Michigan looks to move on they’re dumping him for not winning at a top 3 percent level at the risk of further destabilizing the program with more 3 and Out coaching hires. Remember getting blown out by Kansas St in the Wild Wings Bowl? Granted it looks particularly bad losing back to back to Indiana and a Michigan St team blown out by Iowa, but Michigan fans are long overdue to give up hope of challenging Ohio State. Hiring a coach for the purpose of beating Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson is just wishful Athletic Directing.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #132 on:** November 11, 2020, 09:58:20 AM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2020, 09:53:12 AM

Michigan fan's coaching solution comes down to hiring one of the three or four coaches that can contend for a national title every year: Saban, Meyer/Day, Swinney? Coaches whose conference rivals have almost no hope competing with season after season. Harbaugh was properly hyped; Stanford is still benefitting from his turnaround and his four years with the Niners were about the best in the NFL during his time there. Since it just hasn’t worked out in Ann Arbor I won’t be surprised if Harbaugh is back in the NFL soon. If instead Michigan looks to move on they’re dumping him for not winning at a top 3 percent level at the risk of further destabilizing the program with more 3 and Out coaching hires. Remember getting blown out by Kansas St in the Wild Wings Bowl? Granted it looks particularly bad losing back to back to Indiana and a Michigan St team blown out by Iowa, but Michigan fans are long overdue to give up hope of challenging Ohio State. Hiring a coach for the purpose of beating Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson is just wishful Athletic Directing.

The only thing you can do is hire a guy you think will be very good and hope. And even then, Ohio State in it's natural state of being better than Michigan presents a problem.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #133 on:** November 11, 2020, 10:22:35 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 08:12:53 AM

You know what assume means?

He lives in Florida, in the area of which he speaks.

Then he's biased, lol.

I said I assume BECAUSE I didn't know for sure. Anyway, my original point, and he'd agree (another assumption!), is that south FL is by far the absolute #1 most fertile recruiting area of the country. It's not even a debate.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #134 on:** November 11, 2020, 10:27:41 AM »

Or, he knows what he's talking about.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #135 on:** November 11, 2020, 10:46:30 AM »

With no way to reasonably research who would win a game between the Miami-area HS recruits and the rest-of-FL HS recruits, then it's just about our opinions and neither of us can claim more expertise than the other. I'm well aware of Northwestern, Central, Heritage, Booker T Washington, Dillard, Carol City, etc. And if he wants to go up to Palm Beach county, which is fine, then you've got Ely, Deerfield Beach, and Aquinas.
These are legendary, traditional football powers - all.

But those 3 counties are only about 1/3 of FL's overall population. So who would I get?

I get Vero Beach, Seminole, Lakeland, Tampa Plant, Riverview, Manatee, Osceola, Dr. Phillips, Armwood, Bowles, Columbia, Rockledge, Merrit Island, the aforementioned Belle Glade/Pahokee, and the panhandle - Escambia, Leon, Ft. Walton Beach, Lincoln, Niceville, etc.....and every random po-dunk country boy kid with talent.

Just a difference of opinion is all. But I think we both agree that IMG is BS.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #136 on:** November 11, 2020, 10:54:09 AM »

IMG should not exist.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #137 on:** November 11, 2020, 11:45:42 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 10:54:09 AM

IMG should not exist.

A lot of things should not exist, but they do, and will continue to exist.

FearlessF · « **Reply #138 on:** November 11, 2020, 01:51:18 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:31:31 PM

Looking at it, program-by-program:
The playoff began in 2014.

Florida - Meyer left. Muschamp's peak was 2012 and the Gators didn't have the right HC entering the playoff era. And Saban.

FSU - The Noles peaked with a NC the year before the playoff began and regressed in 2014. Since losing their Heisman QB, Clemson overtook them in the ACC and Jimbo left.

Miami - the Canes are different, they haven't mattered since 2003, aside from having a good start in 2017. That year, they basically got up to #2 vs a weak schedule and beating a weak #3 ND, but wound up losing their last 3 games. Miami just hasn't had the HC they need to matter in a long time now.

So for Florida and FSU, it was a timing issue and Miami just hasn't belonged.

a timing issue?

recruits dried up or the Florida schools quit recruiting their own state?

I was lead to believe by ESPN and most others that any coach with a pulse could take the recruits going to Miami, Florida, and Florida St. and easily crank out top 5 teams.

FearlessF · « **Reply #139 on:** November 11, 2020, 01:57:18 PM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2020, 09:53:12 AM

but Michigan fans are long overdue to give up hope of challenging Ohio State. Hiring a coach for the purpose of beating Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson is just wishful Athletic Directing.

this will not get Jim fired

some fans would fire him, but intelligent boosters and good athletic directors know better

beating MSU, PSU, Indiana, and everyone in the west besides Wisconsin should be the goal and should be expected.
ya just gotta hope Ohio St. can't remain at this level

and play well against them hoping for an upset once in a while

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