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Topic: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...

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ELA

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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #266 on: February 05, 2018, 08:38:33 AM »
There's no strength of schedule component here, it's just the stats.  It pre-supposes the teams are on a relatively even level - that's why I did all of the national champs first and then each school's best team.

The only way to make it so a non-P5 team with good stats would consistently lose to a big-boy team with good stats wold be to alter them.  I'm not going there.

Now, a crappy Iowa State or Vandy team is likely to get spanked consistently, were I to make their cards, because they were on the same level as big-boy teams, in terms of SOS.  They have crappy stats, so they'll perform crappy.  
I assumed the first.
As for the second, I was just curious as to the margins, how effectively large the gap was.  Could you EVER win with those teams?  Are you able to win too often with those teams?  Or is the gap too big, and you are consistently losing 82-0 with those teams.  Just curious as to how the game translates to non-evenish teams.

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« Reply #267 on: February 05, 2018, 11:12:30 PM »
TBD......still only have national champs fully printed and created thus far.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #268 on: February 06, 2018, 06:38:58 PM »
I assumed the first.
As for the second, I was just curious as to the margins, how effectively large the gap was.  Could you EVER win with those teams?  Are you able to win too often with those teams?  Or is the gap too big, and you are consistently losing 82-0 with those teams.  Just curious as to how the game translates to non-evenish teams.
See, this is sort of an issue with the defense.  What I originally envisioned was just a game with all-time great teams, so the average defense of those great teams would have little influence on the offense and great defenses would have a greater influence.  As long as the only teams created were great, like a closed system, that would work out fine.
But if I open it up and include all teams, even crappy ones, then that average defense is much worse.  A "strong" defense is worse, and should have less influence on the offense than the great team's "strong" defenses should.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #269 on: February 06, 2018, 07:23:17 PM »
I was just looking at them - Major Harris is one of my first in-person memories.  I went to the WV-Clemson Gator Bowl in 87 or 88.  Harris is one of those great under-the-radar (in a historical sense) guys who were awesome.
He was just freaking amazing. One of the best players I ever saw. I think historically he probably doesn't get the credit he deserves because the 1989 team was just decimated by graduation and he spent the majority of that season running for his life. 
The 88 WVU team was incredibly good. 
PSU 1994 was admittedly one of my favorites. Yes they were extremely flawed on D but I've never watched a more beautiful college football offense. 

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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #270 on: February 06, 2018, 07:39:09 PM »
Yeah, looking at the yards per play averages among the teams I made....
7.7  FSU - 2013
7.6  Penn St - 1994
7.4  Auburn - 2010
7.2  Nebraska - 1995
7.1  Florida - 1996, Texas - 2005

yards per play allowed:
3.2  Alabama - 1992
3.3  Alabama - 2011, Oklahoma - 1985
3.4  Michigan - 1997
3.6  Washington - 1991
3.9  Miami - 2001

Differential ---------
3.6  FSU - 2013
3.2  Alabama - 2011
3.0  Florida - 1996
2.8  Nebraska - 1995
2.7  Alabama - 2012, Texas - 2005, Miami - 2001


'94 Penn St had the 2nd-worst D, behind only 2010 Auburn.
After typing all that, I feel like I've already shared all of this before, including listing the 5 worst on defense and offense.  Shrug.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #271 on: February 06, 2018, 07:44:02 PM »
Imagine Major Harris at WV under RichRod, lol.  
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