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ELA

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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2017, 03:58:00 PM »
You're thinking of the 2008 game. Brutal to watch, and even moreso because I was there.

2010 was just Kirk Cousins being pretty damn good, and MSU getting a TD in the return game.
Yeah, we've discussed the 2008 game quite a bit.  The Bielema penalty, the decision to pass the ball on 3rd down late, calling timeout to "ice" MSU's kicker with the clock running and MSU hustling the field goal team onto the field.  BB blew that game.  Wisconsin dominated play.
2010, as 847 said was the Keshawn return TD, and Dantonio not coaching the game after his heart attack.  Don Treadwell acting as head coach decided to go for it on 4th and goal late up I think 3?  Field goal would have made it 6, but still given the Badgers the ball where a TD wins it.  Threw a TD pass maybe to Cunningham? to go up 10 and seal the win.

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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2017, 04:00:46 PM »
I forgot about MD's condition for that one. Those kids were playing for him too, no doubt.
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« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2017, 04:19:57 PM »
For all the attention basketball (rightfully) gets, MSU-Wisconsin had a really nice run of football games from 2004-12 where every game was close except for 2004, which featured an upset of a 9-0 top 5 team.  8 straight memorable games, although 2009 was nowhere near as close as the final score inidcated, when MSU scored a couple 80+ yard TDs late.  But fluky as they were MSU was attempting an onside kick that would have given them the ball in a 1 score game.

2016 was a beatdown.

I guess we'll see you again in 2019 when MSU has a fun run of @OSU, @UW, PSU in a row; then a breather against Illinois before going to Ann Arbor.

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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2017, 05:58:47 PM »
Looking at Boston College.....3 stand out:

1984 - Flutie Flakes
1993 - Beat #1 ND 
2007 - Matty Ryan & stout run D

Hmmm
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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2017, 08:57:43 PM »
I had a post on the old board about that '84 season, comparing it to the 2011 season (LSU BCS champs), as everybody who was next up on the podium to replace BYU as #1 kept screwing things up.     That's probably the most interesting AP season poll to walk through week by week and look at the results.  It was a musical chair game from the opening weekend to Jan. 1st.

Washington was the best team in the Pac 10, but lost to USC (9-3), which USC got the Rose on the tiebreaker, finished 11-1

Washington beat OU in the Orange (OU finished 9-2-1), OU was the media choice to oust BYU had they beaten UW.

OU somehow lost to unranked Kansas that year, and tied Texas in a classic 1 v 2 game in a monsoon at the Cotton Bowl in October.  The only conference that was blown off the map was the B1G which was bad in bowls and not impressive in OOC.

For whatever reason Washington wasn't viewed in high esteem to overtake BYU.  I think they were 20 points short in final poll.
That '84 OU-Texas game still burns Sooner fans.  It was #1 Texas vs. #3 OU in a driving rain.  Texas led 10-0 at halftime, having cashed in a bobbled snap by the punter on the OU 20 and a fumble by HB Spencer Tillman on the OU 26 into a TD and a FG.  Texas returned the favor early in the 3rd quarter, fumbling the ball away at its own 6.  OU scored a TD to make it 10-7.  On Texas' next possession, OU got a quick stop and, on Texas' attempted punt, the ball sailed over the punter's head and through the end zone for a safety.  10-9 Texas now.  After the ensuing free kick, OU marched down the field and scored a TD.  The 2-point try failed.  15-10 OU.  Texas got the ball and used two big plays to quickly sit on the OU 2.  But the Sooners held on 4th down.  OU couldn't move the ball and elected to take a safety rather than risk the punter botching the deep snap again.  15-12 OU.  Texas got the ball back after the free kick near midfield with a little more than 2:00 left in the game.  Helped by DPI and offside penalties, Texas got to OU's 15 with 10 seconds left.  Texas tried to pass for the TD, and it looked like OU DB Keith Stanberry picked it off in the end zone.  However, the closest official waved it off, saying that Stanberry had been juggling the ball as he went out of bounds.  Texas then kicked a FG to tie it 15-15, to the disappointment of many Texas fans and the chagrin and anger of Sooner fans.  Later, replays seemed to clearly confirm that Stanberry had cleanly intercepted the ball in the end zone, which would have salted away a 15-12 OU win.  That one has lived in OU lore as one where we got "robbed," and (according to some) in Texas lore as the one where Fred Akers settled for a tie, thus dooming his coaching future in Austin.
The Orange Bowl game vs. Washington was weird.  Washington jumped out in the 1st quarter 14-0.  OU jumped back in the 2nd quarter, and it was 14-14 at halftime.  OU kicked an apparent chip-shot FG early in the 3rd quarter to go up 17-14, and the Sooner Schooner made its usual ride on to the field and back.  But the FG was called back because OG on the place-kicking team was wearing #98, because his normal position was TE.  This had been cleared before the game, and was OK on the two PATs, but this time time OU was flagged for illegal procedure.  So the FG was no good, and the Sooner Schooner was then penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct (for needlessly coming onto the field after a non-score), so the ball was moved back 20 yards, and the ensuing 42-yard FG attempt was blocked.  OU kicked a FG that counted later in the 3rd quarter to go up 17-14, but it was all U-Dub after that, and the Huskies won 28-17.
I thought at the time that Washington should have been awarded the national championship rather than BYU.  No way that BYU was the best team in America in 1984.  I had really been rooting for Michigan in the Holiday Bowl, and didn't think that BYU's 7-point win over the 6-6 Wolverines was in any way indicative of what a national championship team should do against such a mediocre opponent.  But some voters see nothing beyond the number of losses, and BYU's entry there read "0."
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« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2017, 09:19:50 PM »
Good recap of that OU/UT game.  The rain was insane. so much water in that turf.  That's must viewing for people (youtube).   The Stansbury INT was obviously an INT.   I always loved Switzer's 'Beat Texas' hat.   We used to go to Saturday 5pm mass, as opposed to Sunday morning for a variety of reasons which are unimportant.   It was that game, that led us kids to change our mass going ways.  We'd go to Sunday mass whenever there was  a Saturday afternoon conflict with a game we wanted to watch. 

The Sooner Schooner getting a flag was also a big WTF moment.  OU had only brought that on to the field 100 times in past.   I recall Switzer calling that the most 'chickenshit' call of his career.

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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2017, 10:44:08 PM »
Okay....no love for Illinios or Minny...or BC.

How 'bout Michigan?  Already made the 1997 team cards, but of their non-champs.....all the early 70s teams were good.  But choose from '85, '91, or '06.  85 were near-miss champs, 91 was the Desmond Howard Heisman year.  06 they just missed out on the BCSNCG and only allowed 43 yards rushing per game.  
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« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2017, 12:31:51 AM »
For BC gotta take Flutie's team.   Save a hard core college football fan, nobody is going to remember a thing about the '93 team aside from a screwball FG to beat ND.  Hard to name a player outside of Gordon the PK.    Ryan is a fine BC player, but nobody remembers that team.

I'm not qualified to id the most memorable Illinois team for these purposes.

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« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2017, 05:21:31 AM »
For BC gotta take Flutie's team.   Save a hard core college football fan, nobody is going to remember a thing about the '93 team aside from a screwball FG to beat ND.  Hard to name a player outside of Gordon the PK.    Ryan is a fine BC player, but nobody remembers that team.

I'm not qualified to id the most memorable Illinois team for these purposes.
Whenever Doug Flutie is mentioned any West Virginia worth their salt has to pipe up that Flutie never beat WVU during his time at BC, most notably that '84 team.  I have vivid memories of watching that game. It was the ABC national game with Keith Jackson and Frank Broyles.  WVU was down 20-6 at halftime but scored a TD late on a John Gay run to take a 21-20 lead that ended up being the final score.
Everything was a little wilder then.  When Gay scored he was mobbed by fans lining the end zone.  It's funny now to see how lax security used to be at sporting events.  The mountaineer sprinted to midfield and fired his musket.  Cheerleaders were running around like banshees with flags. The crowd in the stands was going bezerk.  It had a Lord of the Flies, anything goes, feel to it. It cracks me up to see it now.

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« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2017, 08:12:56 AM »
Okay....no love for Illinios or Minny...or BC.

How 'bout Michigan?  Already made the 1997 team cards, but of their non-champs.....all the early 70s teams were good.  But choose from '85, '91, or '06.  85 were near-miss champs, 91 was the Desmond Howard Heisman year.  06 they just missed out on the BCSNCG and only allowed 43 yards rushing per game.  
'99 Michigan was pretty good, but they liked platooning the greatest QB of all time maybe a bit too much.

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« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2017, 08:26:49 AM »
'99 Michigan was pretty good, but they liked platooning the greatest QB of all time maybe a bit too much.
Yeah, I brought that up earlier in the thread.  Best Michigan team of my lifetime, better than the '97 team, particularly considering how good the Big Ten was in '99.

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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2017, 09:18:10 AM »
'99 Michigan was pretty good, but they liked platooning the greatest QB of all time maybe a bit too much.
i think a little of this is revisionist history. i have only vague memory of mich that year aside from the orange bowl (in which he was brilliant, that bastard), but i don't remember brady being considered all that great, and his draft and college career stats back up that thought. am i misremembering?
having said that, goat or not, platooning qb's isn't a good plan in any circumstance, imo.

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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2017, 09:58:54 AM »
i think a little of this is revisionist history. i have only vague memory of mich that year aside from the orange bowl (in which he was brilliant, that bastard), but i don't remember brady being considered all that great, and his draft and college career stats back up that thought. am i misremembering?
having said that, goat or not, platooning qb's isn't a good plan in any circumstance, imo.
No, you're right, at the time he certainly wasn't considered all that "great."  He was a late 6th round draft pick, some even used the dreaded "p-word" for him.... "PROJECT." 
But I'd certainly agree he's the best NFL quarterback of all time.  

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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2017, 10:20:58 AM »

OSU's best seasons without a NC (won the NC in 1942, 54, 57, 61, 68, 70, 2002, 14)

undefeated, untied: 1916, 44, 2012

Undefeated with at least one tie: 1899, 1917, 73

One-loss: 1900, 06, 10, 15, 19, 20, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 41, 49, 58, 69, 75, 79, 93, 96, 98, 2006, 10, 15

Two losses: 1891, 1902, 05, 07, 13, 14, 21, 28, 30, 37, 39, 45, 55, 60, 64, 65, 72, 74, 76, 95, 2003, 05, 07, 09, 13, 16, 17(?)
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

 

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