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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2017, 11:42:14 PM »
The further back you go, the tougher it is to create a team set for the game.  Teams used 5-6 players at QB back then, they played both ways, and there's no defensive stats.  It'd be great to have all 3 big boy teams from 1966, the '45 Army team, and the mid-50s OU powerhouses, but it isn't going to happen.

I guess I'll put the cutoff at the '71 Huskers squad I already have made.  Alabama already has plenty of teams to be created.  
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2017, 11:50:35 PM »
I would assume if you need a Virginia squad, you're going with 1990?  Managed to get to #1 in late October, before GT took them down on a last second FG in early November.  I know UVA finished with a thud that year (8-4 maybe) but that was a nice team (Herman Moore at WR,   Shawn Moore QB) going to the Sugar Bowl.  I think Tennessee beat them by a point.

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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2017, 11:53:33 PM »
Alabama has one of the worst P5 12-1 teams of all time, in 1993.  58th in scoring offense, 9th in defense.  Won a ton of close games and their only loss was by 1 point to Florida.  But man, that's one unimpressive squad.  

Anyway, I was looking around.  Did you know that Raghib Ismail only scored 15 TDs his entire career?  Most good RB do that in a season.  And David Palmer (Alabama's poor-man's version of the Rocket) only scored 16.  Both players got a lot of hype from multiple punt return TDs early in their careers, but never really built on that.  At least Palmer had a 1,000 yard season (exactly 1,000).  

Both Colorado and Ga Tech's 1990 NC teams were unimpressive, at least on offense.  I need to look up that Joe Hamilton at QB season for GT.  He was incredible.  
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« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2017, 11:56:08 PM »
I would assume if you need a Virginia squad, you're going with 1990?  Managed to get to #1 in late October, before GT took them down on a last second FG in early November.  I know UVA finished with a thud that year (8-4 maybe) but that was a nice team (Herman Moore at WR,   Shawn Moore QB) going to the Sugar Bowl.  I think Tennessee beat them by a point.
I admit I hadn't looked at UVA yet.  For VT, I think '99 is the obvious one.  For the Cavs, I was thinking 1990, or an Aaron Brooks/Thomas Jones year, or (if not the same) the team that gave FSU its first loss in the ACC.  
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« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2017, 12:03:35 AM »
That's the great part of this game idea - with NCAA licensing, over time, every team could be made, even the bad ones.  But you could play 1998 Kansas State vs 1983 Auburn or something.  Or match Bo Jackson up against 1992 Alabama's defense.  Test Barry Sanders' 1988 Okie State against a few different versions of the blackshirts, see which one contains him best.

The potential catalogue is nearly endless, with so many schools and seasons.....I'm obviously going slowly, doing it all by hand (and excel).  I just printed out 2013 FSU.  Going to do 1991 Washington next, as the cards are all in excel already.

You could play great teams from the same school, see who comes out on top - 97 Michigan vs 85 Michigan or 2014 OSU against the 02 champs.....

Another fun idea would be replacing a past failure with a different season of your school - switch out the 08 Sooners and let the 2000 OU champs try their luck against 08 Florida.  
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« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2017, 12:27:55 AM »
It was '89.  Oddly enough, that was his last game here and one of his worst.
WV has 3 real choices - '88, '93, and '05.  I always clown on the '93 team, because Florida pantsed them in the Sugar Bowl that year - they were 11-0 and had no business being on the same field as the Gators.  I remember them putting in Darren Studstill and it's as if he was throwing the game the way he played.  It was comical.  
The 2005 team with RichRod (never shouldda left) was basically a video game on offense, with Pat White, Slayton, and the BEER TRUCK, Schmidt.  
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2017, 12:46:45 AM »
If 1971 is your start date, then consider including the '71 Sooners.  The '71 Nebraska Cornhuskers are one of those GOAT teams, and the Sooners were just about an eyelash (or a missed clip on a Johnny Rodgers punt return for a TD) from beating them.

At one point (15-ish years ago, I think), one of the computer "pollsters" had '71 OU as the best non-national champion ever.

Nebraska was better that year, but not much better.  The game could have gone the other way.  That's one reason why that game was the greatest of all the "Games of the Century" of the latter 1/3 of the 20th century.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2017, 08:54:00 AM »
1994 undefeated Penn State

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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2017, 09:01:05 AM »
1994 undefeated Penn State
That is s a good one..  95 OSU was very good too
I think UNL's 83 team was the best to not win it all.  99 was very good too. 

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« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2017, 09:07:22 AM »
That's the great part of this game idea - with NCAA licensing, over time, every team could be made, even the bad ones.  But you could play 1998 Kansas State vs 1983 Auburn or something.  Or match Bo Jackson up against 1992 Alabama's defense.  Test Barry Sanders' 1988 Okie State against a few different versions of the blackshirts, see which one contains him best.

The potential catalogue is nearly endless, with so many schools and seasons.....I'm obviously going slowly, doing it all by hand (and excel).  I just printed out 2013 FSU.  Going to do 1991 Washington next, as the cards are all in excel already.

You could play great teams from the same school, see who comes out on top - 97 Michigan vs 85 Michigan or 2014 OSU against the 02 champs.....

Another fun idea would be replacing a past failure with a different season of your school - switch out the 08 Sooners and let the 2000 OU champs try their luck against 08 Florida.  
I also like the idea of retrying (granted the catalog would have to get huge to replay a full season) some of the "fluke" teams.  Could you go undefeated as 2002 Ohio State with all of those close wins?  Could you win a national title with '97 Michigan or '00 Oklahoma with an underwhelming offense?

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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2017, 09:16:33 AM »
I always have fond memories of that 2005 OSU team, which lost by an eyelash to National Champion Texas and 11-1 Penn State.  They had five first rounders the next year, including AJ Hawk and Santonio Holmes, plus all the guys that returned for 2006 like Troy Smith and Ted Ginn.
I've always felt that the 2005 Ohio State team was better than the 2006 and 2007 versions that played for it all.  
Here is one where two teams cost each other:
1973 Michigan and 1973 Ohio State.  
The Wolverines that year outscored their opponents 330-68 and the Buckeyes were even better at 413-64.  
Heading into The Game the Buckeyes were #1 at 9-0 while the Wolverines were #4 at 10-0.  The Game in Ann Arbor produced a 10-10 tie.  In the next poll (11/26) the Wolverines held steady at #4 while the Buckeyes fell to #3 behind Bama and Oklahoma.  
A week later (12/3) the Irish leap-frogged both the Wolverines and the Buckeyes to move to #3.  Then in the bowls:
  • #1 Bama lost to #3 Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl, 24-23
  • #2 Oklahoma did not play (probation)
  • #3 Notre Dame beat #1 Bama in the Sugar Bowl, 24-23
  • #4 Ohio State beat #7 USC in the Rose Bowl, 42-21
  • #5 Michigan did not play (Big Ten's Rose Bowl only rule was still in effect)

The Trojans finished #8 and that was probably unfair.  They finished 9-2-1 but look at the blemishes:
  • Tied final #3 Oklahoma 7-7 in SoCal
  • Lost to final #1 Notre Dame 23-14 in South Bend
  • Lost to final #2 Ohio State 42-21 in SoCal

Their three non-wins were to the teams that finished first, second, and third in the final AP poll.  Note also that Ohio State did better against them than either Oklahoma or Notre Dame.  

I've said it before, but I believe that either Michigan or Ohio State could have won the NC that year but the two were unfortunate enough to have that good of a year in the same season that their rival had a similarly good year.  

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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2017, 09:47:33 AM »
The 1973 Ohio State team has already been mentioned as a great team that did not win the MNC

However my favorite would be the 1975 Ohio State team. It had everything you could want in a team. Still after all these year I find it hard to believe the lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl. I always thought (though probably wrong) Woody would have retired with Archie leaving if they had won that game. Would have gone out on top instead of the Bauman incident. 

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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2017, 10:32:20 AM »
The 1973 Ohio State team has already been mentioned as a great team that did not win the MNC

However my favorite would be the 1975 Ohio State team. It had everything you could want in a team. Still after all these year I find it hard to believe the lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl. I always thought (though probably wrong) Woody would have retired with Archie leaving if they had won that game. Would have gone out on top instead of the Bauman incident.
The really annoying thing about 1975 was that the Buckeyes had already beaten UCLA, in the Rosebowl (stadium, not bowl) earlier that season.  On October 4, 1975 the Buckeyes won 41-20 at UCLA.  
That team was amazing.  Prior to the Rosebowl they outscored opponents 374-79.  Michigan (21-14) and Penn State (17-9) were the only games that they didn't win by double-digits.  
I doubt that it would have happened, but it would have been a lot better for Woody and Ohio State for him to win an NC in 1975 and go out on top rather than getting fired for punching an opposing player three years later.  

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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2017, 11:03:50 AM »
There are four 11-1 teams in 1977 to be considered. One AP voter split his #1 vote between ND, Bama, and Arkansas.#5 ND, also 11-1, wound up #1 by beating #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl. With #2 Oklahoma losing to #6 Arkansas in the Orange Bowl and #3 Alabama beating #9 tOSU in the Sugar Bowl.

Bama opened their season by beating Ole Miss 34-13. Noteworthy because the following week both Bama and ND would suffer their only loss(es). ND lost to Ole Miss (5-6) in Jackson. Bama lost at Nebraska when a Bama DB attempted to intercept the fourth down fake FG winning TD pass. ~??? KNOCK THE DAMN BALL DOWN!

Arkansas lost only to Texas. Texas lost only to ND. The fourth 11-1 team to be considered, PSU, lost at home to Kentucky. Would have included Kentucky (10-1) but their loss was to a 5-6 team (Baylor) also. Of the five 11-1 teams, #1 ND had by far the worst loss.

1977 Final AP Football Poll

http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=1977&appollid=479#.Wi6iSlWnGUk


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