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rolltidefan

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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 03:36:13 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
I'll also do Michigan.  The 1999 Orange Bowl team was their best team of my lifetime, they just rotated QBs to appease Henson and the fan base and dropped a couple in the middle of the season to a top 5 MSU team, and a top 25 Illinois team.

That team, with Brady, I think could have played with FSU.  Instead beat SEC Champ Alabama in the Orange.  That was the best the Big Ten has ever been too, and that team didn't even win a Big Ten title, actually came in 3rd.  They beat Wisconsin who otherwise won out, including the Rose.  MSU finished 2nd, and beat a really good Florida team in the Citrus.  I think seven conference teams finished ranked, and they rolled through their bowls

That orange bowl was a great game. Bama lost on a missed xp. 
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 03:49:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Any Arizona team rival the 12-1 squad that beat up Miami that one year?  Was that with Trung Candidate at RB?  Or an early 90s desert swarm team might've been better?  Are they one and the same?
Though I did watch the Holiday Bowl where Arizona beat Nebraska that year I was a good seven or eight more years away from moving to Arizona for college, and thus didn't pay attention to their sports. Arizona has not had a team nearly that good since. 
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 03:56:43 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2017, 03:07:54 PM
Yeah, but man I loved that 2000 Oklahoma team.  That might be my favorite national champion team ever.  It's a shame that was in the old ABC regional split days.  They had a couple 3:30 games that were preempted for the Big 10 game, namely the Nebraska win when they spotted then 14 points then scored like 31 unanswered
I was a big fan of that Sooners team too. Since we fell into ABC's regional Big 12 coverage living in Missouri at the time, we were able to watch about 5 conference games featuring the Sooners. The Sooners just came out of nowhere that year thrashing Texas and beating #2 KState on the road before waking everybody up with that convincing 2nd half shutout Vs Nebraska. And I still see Torrance Marshall raiding the LOS Vs FSU in the Championship game.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2017, 03:58:05 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 09, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
I'll also do Michigan.  The 1999 Orange Bowl team was their best team of my lifetime, they just rotated QBs to appease Henson and the fan base and dropped a couple in the middle of the season to a top 5 MSU team, and a top 25 Illinois team.

That team, with Brady, I think could have played with FSU.  Instead beat SEC Champ Alabama in the Orange.  That was the best the Big Ten has ever been too, and that team didn't even win a Big Ten title, actually came in 3rd.  They beat Wisconsin who otherwise won out, including the Rose.  MSU finished 2nd, and beat a really good Florida team in the Citrus.  I think seven conference teams finished ranked, and they rolled through their bowls

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[th]Rank[/th]
[th]Team (FPV)[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th]W-L[/th]
[th]Points[/th]
[th]Last Week[/th]
1< 1Florida State (70)ACC12-01750W 46-29 N #2 Virginia Tech (BCS NC/Sugar)
2< 2Virginia TechBig East11-11647L 46-29 N #1 Florida State (BCS/Sugar)
3< 3NebraskaBig 1212-11634 
4< 4WisconsinBig Ten10-21519 
5< 8MichiganBig Ten10-21406 
6< 7Kansas StateBig 1211-11402 
7< 9Michigan StateBig Ten10-21357 
8< 5AlabamaSEC10-31236 
9< 6TennesseeSEC9-31168 
10< 11MarshallMAC13-01136W 21-3 N BYU (Motor City)
11< 13Penn StateBig Ten10-31038 
12< 10FloridaSEC9-4941 
13< 15Mississippi StateSEC10-2923 
14< 16Southern MissC-USA9-3788W 23-17 N Colorado State
15< 23Miami (FL)Big East9-4678 
16< 21GeorgiaSEC8-4640 
17< 24ArkansasSEC8-4575 
18< 12MinnesotaBig Ten8-4452 
19< NROregonPac-109-3358 
20< 17Georgia TechACC8-4345 
21< 14TexasBig 129-5340 
22< NRMississippiSEC8-4281 
23< 18Texas A&MBig 128-4272 
24< NRIllinoisBig Ten8-4201 
25< 19PurdueBig Ten7-5198 
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on December 09, 2017, 12:08:56 PM

As well as Oklahoma's 2008 better than their 2000 National Champion. IMO Bob Stoops best Sooner team was 2008.
And the 2008 Longhorn team that beat those Sooners by double digits in the Cotton Bowl was better than the 2009 Longhorn team that played for the MNC.  
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2017, 07:25:15 PM »
That 99 Nebraska team was their best not to win a title.  They were a fumbling machine though.   49 fumbles,  I think they lost 24, which cost them in the reg season in Austin.  1982 might have a case though.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2017, 12:30:12 AM »
There's plenty of Nebraska teams (71, 94, 95, 97) already.  

In addition to non-champ great squads, I'm looking for the Arizona or Mississippi State types that haven't sniffed a NC, but need representation (a la '99 Va Tech).
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2017, 12:48:09 AM »
Do you have 2011 Oklahoma State?  Probably the best ever from that school.  Woulda/coulda/shoulda played LSU for the NC, but they lost to Iowa State in Ames and Bama got to play (and win) a rematch with the Tigers.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2017, 12:54:01 AM »
If that 2011 oSu team isn't sexy enough, you could go '88.  A 10-2 squad, with Barry Sanders' 2,600+ yard season.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2017, 12:56:19 AM »
Gotta have 1998 Kansas State (if you have any KSU team).   The undefeated regular season, with a very nice roster led by Michael Bishop at QB.  Sniff the BCS title game until   heartbreak city in the CCG vs A&M, and then a sour finish being delegated to the Alamo Bowl, going down to Purdue.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 02:11:43 AM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on December 10, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
If that 2011 oSu team isn't sexy enough, you could go '88.  A 10-2 squad, with Barry Sanders' 2,600+ yard season.
Yeah, after this group of non-champs I was thinking big-time individual player season types. 
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 10:04:05 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 09, 2017, 10:50:39 AM
2011 LSU
If they had beat bama the second game or played and beat ok st they would have gone down as one of the best teams ever. Beat p12 champ Oregon bigeast champ wvu and top 5 teams Bama and arky (end season rank) and (if they played and beat them) bigxii champ ok st.
It helped my team and as a homer I’m thankful for the choice but LSU (not ok st, diff argument) really got screwed out of a chance at history.
Three wins over teams that FINISHED top 5.  Unbelievable season.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2017, 11:05:24 AM »
I have not posted in this thread until now, because my school has never won an MNC.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2017, 11:12:38 AM »
then you should have one or two very good non-champ teams to add
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