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847badgerfan

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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2017, 11:14:51 AM »
I can't. UW doesn't have any non-champions that were better than a champion because it never had a champion.

They've had some very good teams, but have never gotten over the hurdle.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2017, 11:16:47 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 10, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
In addition to non-champ great squads, I'm looking for the Arizona or Mississippi State types that haven't sniffed a NC, but need representation (a la '99 Va Tech).
there's your invitation.............
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 11:21:09 AM »
While the 1996 ASU came the closest to sniffing the MNC (to hell with Germaine and Boston forever) I'd say ASU's 1986 team (beat Michigan in the 1987 Rose Bowl) was probably their best ever team. That team probably had the most NFL talent of any ASU team ever (Eric Allen, Todd Kalis, Randall McDaniel, Danny Villa, Jim Warne, Skip McClendon, Greg Clark, Darren Willis).
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 11:21:31 AM »
I just have a hard time putting a "never-was" team into something like this.

OK, so the 1962 team was very good. 1993 could probably play with anyone that year. 2006? 2011? 
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 12:36:46 PM »
I always have fond memories of that 2005 OSU team, which lost by an eyelash to National Champion Texas and 11-1 Penn State.  They had five first rounders the next year, including AJ Hawk and Santonio Holmes, plus all the guys that returned for 2006 like Troy Smith and Ted Ginn.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2017, 01:05:10 PM »
Quote from: Kris61 on December 10, 2017, 10:04:05 AM
Three wins over teams that FINISHED top 5.  Unbelievable season.
With an extremely bad offense for a great team.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2017, 01:06:05 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
I just have a hard time putting a "never-was" team into something like this.

OK, so the 1962 team was very good. 1993 could probably play with anyone that year. 2006? 2011?
There ya go, you got it!  (sarcastic applause)
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2017, 02:45:45 PM »
Well, like Badge my team has never won a NC.  But if you are looking for the best WVU team it is 1988, imo.  Don't get me wrong, part of their success that year was schedule driven but they handled that schedule the way you would expect an excellent (maybe great) team to handle it.  They dominated it.

Average MOV was over 27 points per game.  Never trailed at halftime or in the second half of any regular season game.  The two ranked teams they did play (Pitt and Syracuse) they beat 31-10 and 31-9 respectively and never trailed in either game.

The only game they lost was in the Fiesta Bowl to ND and Major Harris separated his shoulder the third play of the game. He gutted it out but was clearly not the same player.  Don Nehlen swears to this day they win if he's healthy. I don't necessarily agree with that but whatever.  He knows more than I do.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2017, 05:49:19 PM »
I was just looking at them - Major Harris is one of my first in-person memories.  I went to the WV-Clemson Gator Bowl in 87 or 88.  Harris is one of those great under-the-radar (in a historical sense) guys who were awesome.
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Re: Better Non-Champ than Champ @ your school
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2017, 05:51:31 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 10, 2017, 05:49:19 PM
I was just looking at them - Major Harris is one of my first in-person memories.  I went to the WV-Clemson Gator Bowl in 87 or 88.  Harris is one of those great under-the-radar (in a historical sense) guys who were awesome.
It was '89.  Oddly enough, that was his last game here and one of his worst.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2017, 05:59:39 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
I just have a hard time putting a "never-was" team into something like this.

OK, so the 1962 team was very good. 1993 could probably play with anyone that year. 2006? 2011?
What about the ron dayne years?
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2017, 06:06:02 PM »
Florida's best non-NC teams are probably 1984 (9-1-1) and 2001 (finished 3rd).  No one will ever convince me that the 2001 Gators couldn't have beaten Miami that year WITH Ernest Graham at RB.  Florida's 2 losses were the 2 games Graham was hurt.  
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2017, 07:25:54 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 10, 2017, 05:59:39 PM
What about the ron dayne years?
Those were good years but not great.

The 1998 team lost one game - to Michigan - and went to the Rose Bowl as "the worst team to ever play in the Rose Bowl" according to Chris James. Well, they won against UCLA. But they did not play OSU and again, lost to Michigan. They did smash a very good PSU team though.

1999 was weird. They started slow, losing at Cincy and then at home to Michigan before they put RSF Brooks Bollinger in at QB. They never lost again, but those losses were tough - especially to Cincy. But, they did smash OSU and a very good MSU team and returned to the Rose Bowl, beating Stanford and becoming the first (and still only) Big Ten team to win back-to-back Rose Bowls.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2017, 10:05:28 PM »
1966 Alabama. Two time defending NC and only undefeated and untied 1A team. Finished third to ND and Michigan State who tied 10-10 in their meeting.

Coach Bryant called it his best team. Referring to that 1966 Alabama team---"I don't know, we haven't played Alabama yet." – Vince Lombardi after being asked what it felt like to be the greatest football team in the world just after winning the '67 Super Bowl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_NFL_Championship_Game

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