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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6972 on: August 26, 2020, 07:35:28 PM »
See, we're on different sides of the aisle, but we agree: we need to do more to address systemic racism.

There is--right now--an investigation into the shooting and whether it was justified. I'm not an expert on that, but as a layperson, it sure looks bad for the police. If he was saying threatening things--like he was going for his gun--then it's almost certainly justified. If he was saying, "F-this, I'm out of here" then it's feels a lot less justified--even if he was resisting lawful arrest. Resisting arrest is not a valid reason to impose the deadly force. Putting someone's life in immediate jeopardy is.

And getting back to what I said so many pages back, if he was threatening to go get a gun from his car why the heck didn't they do more to stop him, like maneuvering in front of him, for example?

The investigation will tell us more when it is complete.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6973 on: August 26, 2020, 07:36:24 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 26, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
Hope they changed the engine out and not just the rod - 327 maybe
The owner was a junior at OU.  I imagine that he got it repaired the cheapest way possible.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6974 on: August 26, 2020, 07:36:58 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
Not sure I do. By definition, if you are ok with whatever the current rate of holding people at gunpoint, then you've accepted it. A lot of people just accept it - we don't have protests about it. Common is a subjective measure, though it certainly seems silly to call it rare. In any event, the number of things that our government does that are violent in the name of protecting our safety is extremely frequent.

Objectively, our incarceration rates are historically high. We lock a pretty large amount of purple in cages. Killing dogs, full body cavity searches, holding people at gunpoint - it's a lot.

The protests only come when the government kills or maims someone, and even then people want to both sides the issue.
Whether or not I would “accept” a cop pulling a gun would be on a case by case basis.  How can I be ok or not ok with a rate I don’t know?  You kind of sound like you don’t accept how often they draw their weapons but then admit you have no idea how often that happens. How do you square that logically?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6975 on: August 26, 2020, 07:40:15 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 26, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
I refer to a beer as whatever style it chooses to identify lol :57:

But seriously, it's the yeast. A steam beer uses a lager yeast that adapts well to ale temperatures and is thus considered a sort of "hybrid" style between lager and ale. Kolsch is a very similar "hybrid" beer, in that it is fermented at temps more appropriate to ales but then lagered.

Ya I just recently had Joe Thomas Kolsch from Great Lakes and read the label And I noticed that.Amazing some cave dwelling zymurgist knew when to add/remove certain yeasts/hops/malts and and at varying temeratures.These are the true trail blazers in research & inventive prowess
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6976 on: August 26, 2020, 07:43:16 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 26, 2020, 01:37:04 PM
Trump just announced hes sending in law enforcement to stop the rioting so I guess the Governor refuses to do so
That's not something to celebrate if you value the Constitution and federalism.
AND it lets the governor off the hook.  He won't suffer the full consequences of his inaction.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6977 on: August 26, 2020, 07:50:11 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on August 26, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
Whether or not I would “accept” a cop pulling a gun would be on a case by case basis.  How can I be ok or not ok with a rate I don’t know?  You kind of sound like you don’t accept how often they draw their weapons but then admit you have no idea how often that happens. How do you square that logically?
Would it be wrong to say that steroid use for baseball in the 90's was common and accepted? I think we would certainly say that now, even though at the time we had very little hard evidence beyond anecdotes.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6978 on: August 26, 2020, 08:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 26, 2020, 05:51:31 PM
A very low percentage of murders are committed with rifles of all kinds, for obvious reasons.
A fact that flies right past some gun-control advocates.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6979 on: August 26, 2020, 08:08:27 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 26, 2020, 07:19:50 PM

Once there- what he specifically did to end up shot, was more in his control than anyone’s.  Nothing systemic about it. 
The fact that you don't realize that the former is due to the latter speaks volumes.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6980 on: August 26, 2020, 08:08:57 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 26, 2020, 07:03:21 PM
Just google "puppycide" and you'll get a long [and depressing] education on the matter.
Because I'm persnickety, that just means more people write about it and that writing is closer at hand. 

Purely spitballing, I wonder if there's more or less dog shooting. We certainly care more about our pets now than historically. And we have more ability to document the shooting of dogs. 

Now of course, generally don't shoot dogs. Or don't be like that one dipshit LEO who tried to shoot the dog and shot someone who was lying prone on the ground. Dipshit. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6981 on: August 26, 2020, 08:11:04 PM »
Well, I'm a gun control person (in case that wasn't already obvious), and semi-automatic long guns with high capacity magazines have been used in approximately 25% of the mass shootings in the last 20 years, and account for approximately 40% of deaths and nearly 70% of injuries from all mass shootings over that same time period. So while they are less-commonly used tools, they are involved in a disproportionate number of injuries and deaths. It's not hard to figure out why.

But just because I think more, reasonable regulation of semi-automatic long guns that accept high capacity magazines would be appropriate, doesn't mean I don't recognize that hand guns are a bigger problem, and also require more, reasonable regulation. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6982 on: August 26, 2020, 08:18:20 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 26, 2020, 06:37:52 PM
Steam...Anchor Steam - what do you know about steam beers/ales.Had a few many moons ago but forgot it's beckoning attributes.Ales fermented as Lagers,lagers fermented as ales.Considering current events these are what we should be reaching for
A friend in college brewed one of those once. 

He declared he was all about "Steam ales and females," which was enjoyable because he was a super mild-mannered and friendly guy. Last I saw him he had a good job in Badge's old city and was dating a delightfully pretty young lady. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6983 on: August 26, 2020, 08:28:22 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on August 26, 2020, 08:11:04 PM
Well, I'm a gun control person (in case that wasn't already obvious), and semi-automatic long guns with high capacity magazines have been used in approximately 25% of the mass shootings in the last 20 years, and account for approximately 40% of deaths and nearly 70% of injuries from all mass shootings over that same time period. So while they are less-commonly used tools, they are involved in a disproportionate number of injuries and deaths. It's not hard to figure out why.

But just because I think more, reasonable regulation of semi-automatic long guns that accept high capacity magazines would be appropriate, doesn't mean I don't recognize that hand guns are a bigger problem, and also require more, reasonable regulation.

:)
The hole in your argument is that mass shootings account for a minuscule percentage of firearms deaths.
There are also some holes in the methodology in determining what are mass shootings and what are not.  School shootings data have the same problem.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6984 on: August 26, 2020, 08:53:32 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 07:50:11 PM
Would it be wrong to say that steroid use for baseball in the 90's was common and accepted? I think we would certainly say that now, even though at the time we had very little hard evidence beyond anecdotes.
Honestly? Yeah, I still have a problem with “common” when it comes to steroid use. What is common? 5 percent, 20, 50? We have some high profile names and broken records that now put a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Back then, they were celebrated.

People will also extrapolate things they have personal knowledge of and think it applies to the rest of the world.  I’ve heard ball players say everybody was doing steroids back then. Bullshit. No they weren’t.  My cousin had a drug problem years ago and assured her dad “everybody did it.”  In her small world with her group of friends that was true.  In my small world with my group of friends no one did drugs.

The other problem with your analogy is using steroids was 100 percent against the rules. There was no subjectivity to it. If you did it you were breaking a rule. A cop pulling a gun in a situation isn’t necessarily wrong.  You and I could view the same scenario play out and you might think it didn’t require a weapon and I might think it did. 


You are certainly entitled to believe cops draw their weapons too much but you basically have zero evidence to back that up.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6985 on: August 26, 2020, 09:02:47 PM »
Semiautomatic rifles are pretty common things today.  Ban them all?
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