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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3682 on: June 19, 2020, 07:01:23 PM »
I recently re-read "To Kill A Mockingbird", because I am planning on reading "Go Set A Watchman" and wanted it to be fresh. I previously read TKAM back on 2004, when I was on a kick of reading "classics" that I'd never been assigned in school. 

One of the key takeaways was consistently trying to think about things from someone else's perspective. I think most of humanity either forgets to do that, or is incapable, most of the time. 

The world would be a better place if we started off thinking about the people that disagreed with us, and asking "why do they do so? how did they get there? what led to them reaching a conclusion that I disagree with but they sincerely believe is right?" 

But that requires a level of empathy that I think is beyond most peoples' capability. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3683 on: June 19, 2020, 07:05:36 PM »
Oh- I think they seem to come up with many talented volunteers- often stepping on each other for the chance- to represent them. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3684 on: June 19, 2020, 07:28:57 PM »
Here is a real issue.  This condo has three wrap around decks on 3 levels.  They are 65" deep and about 15 feet long with railing and posts (which the HOA repairs every so often).  The surface is raw concrete.  The wife wants to cover it with something, we originally were going to do tile but she decided she doesn't like that.  I suggested fake grass (with yard line stripes perhaps), she doesn't like fake she says.  The tile issue is if the HOA has the posts repaired the tile gets torn up.

Now she has all these various ideas giving me a headache.  I don't like so many options, just decide, and fine, we'll do it.  Does anyone have a rational idea beyond outdoor carpet, fake grass, and tile?  Her latest idea is garage floor "paint", which probably is a cheap option, which is fine with me.
There's a garage-floor epoxy that has flecks of color.  Looks pretty good.

https://armorpoxy.com/interior/garage-flooring/garage-floor-epoxy/
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3685 on: June 19, 2020, 08:12:37 PM »
The number of lawyers has grown quite a bit since the 1960's. We have turned into a litigious society. I don't believe it was anything close to that in the 60's.
I think the question becomes this. How do we make LEOs scared?

See, I want my law enforcement officers to be scared of inflicting even the tiniest bit of excess violence. Maybe I want them so scared they inflict not enough violence on people. Our Texan friend made the joke about one’s handcuffs being too tight. But truth be told, there is in fact hey situation in which cuffs could be too tight, especially for a drawn out period time, and frankly I want cops to be afraid of doing that too.

Removing QI in theory creates a financial fear. Perhaps that’s not tenable, so we’ve just got to think of some other kind of fear we can put in them.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3686 on: June 19, 2020, 08:12:54 PM »
He had to lie to save his job, because he's a conservative. Think about this.
Based on other incidents in his past, now oozing up to the surface, he may be a racist.  There's a difference between "conservative" and "racist."  I'm a conservative.  I'm not a racist, at least not that I can tell.
But he had to lie to save his job because he was (or feared he was) about to lose about 80% of his team.  If not their bodies, then at least their trust in him.
And he's still going to have problems on the recruiting trail.  That notion seems to be widely accepted in these parts.
And another thing that he definitely is is a dumbass.  A mullet-headed dumbass.
And his middle name is not "Truthful."  So he had no problem telling one lie after another.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3687 on: June 19, 2020, 08:18:19 PM »
Yes indeed.  It's listed as a "state holiday" but I don't know anyone that gets the day off.  Maybe state workers?
I know that Tulsa Public Schools (for whom I do not work) has it as an official holiday.  Of course, that doesn't have any impact on teachers or students.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3688 on: June 19, 2020, 08:29:02 PM »
I recently re-read "To Kill A Mockingbird", because I am planning on reading "Go Set A Watchman" and wanted it to be fresh. I previously read TKAM back on 2004, when I was on a kick of reading "classics" that I'd never been assigned in school.

One of the key takeaways was consistently trying to think about things from someone else's perspective. I think most of humanity either forgets to do that, or is incapable, most of the time.

The world would be a better place if we started off thinking about the people that disagreed with us, and asking "why do they do so? how did they get there? what led to them reaching a conclusion that I disagree with but they sincerely believe is right?"

But that requires a level of empathy that I think is beyond most peoples' capability.
Amen.  We are at a point where a different opinion is not to be uttered, let alone listened to or heard. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3689 on: June 19, 2020, 08:36:23 PM »
I think the question becomes this. How do we make LEOs scared?

See, I want my law enforcement officers to be scared of inflicting even the tiniest bit of excess violence. Maybe I want them so scared they inflict not enough violence on people. Our Texan friend made the joke about one’s handcuffs being too tight. But truth be told, there is in fact hey situation in which cuffs could be too tight, especially for a drawn out period time, and frankly I want cops to be afraid of doing that too.

Removing QI in theory creates a financial fear. Perhaps that’s not tenable, so we’ve just got to think of some other kind of fear we can put in them.
I could get with this- if it could somehow include that they can defend themselves or others- in the heat of mayhem, when violence is already happening.

that’s hard when we can’t agree on when that applies. 

I am never going to be ok with police brutality- but I have seen law enforcement beaten savagely by groups for no other reason then they isolated the officer.  We saw police doing simple response to calls and having buckets of water thrown on them      Over 800 officers injured in the protests.   

what we now have is what you wished for.  They are very afraid to act, in any way.  Those who wii should them harm have no such fear- in fact they feel empowered. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3690 on: June 19, 2020, 08:39:56 PM »
Why do unions seem unable to protect the good and ditch the bad?  It's just self-inflicted wounds.
Because unions represent their membership, including the biggest shitbags.  In right-to-work states (at least), one of the things public-sector unions offer is insurance and legal assistance to protect the bad cop (or bad teacher) against being fired.  One way they do that is to drag out the process to the point where the city government (or the school system) just figures that it's not worth the time, energy, and expense unless the case is open-and-shut, and maybe not even then.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3691 on: June 19, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »
Man... You'd better watch out. Weed is illegal in Texas, and clearly you're smoking some good sh!t if you think either of those things will happen.

Congress probably won't even manage to pass the bill to end qualified immunity.
Congress shouldn't have to do that.  They already passed a bill that said public employees are liable for their actions if they violate people's civil rights.  Judges invented the qualified immunity standard, which directly contradicts the law, without admitting that it contradicts the law.
It was cowardly of the SCOTUS to decline to hear the QI cases.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3692 on: June 19, 2020, 08:47:15 PM »
Really? How many other city workers are being sued for violating constitutional rights and getting the suits tossed out based on a QI defense?

Are city health inspectors regularly getting sued by restaurants and I missed it?
The point of insurance is that any judgment against you doesn't come out of your pocket. But the point of premiums coming out of your pocket is you actually have an incentive to behave in ways to reduce your premium.

Fire Fighters, Maintenance Workers just to name two

Forget insurance never gonna happen
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3693 on: June 19, 2020, 08:48:21 PM »
And yet the tangible bill before the House right now, the "End Qualified Immunity Act"?

61 cosponsors. 60 of them are Democrats. 1 of them is a Republican, Tom McClintock of CA. (Amash, the sponsor, is a former Republican turned Libertarian).

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7085/cosponsors?searchResultViewType=expanded

Why aren't the Republicans giving in a little for a real change to happen?

We've all talked about ending qualified immunity in this thread. Many of you (who are Republican) agreed that it's a messed up policy and should be ended.

If you're living in a district represented by a Republican, what pressure are you going to put on your Congresscritter to get them to add their names to the cosponsor list of this bill and make it bipartisan?
The Republicans won't do it because the POTUS doesn't like it.  It will not matter how much flak they receive from the home front, they will not buck the POTUS.  Their first consideration before brushing their teeth in the morning is, "Will this cause the POTUS to launch a primary challenge at me?"
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3694 on: June 19, 2020, 08:54:14 PM »
The Republicans won't do it because the POTUS doesn't like it.  It will not matter how much flak they receive from the home front, they will not buck the POTUS.  Their first consideration before brushing their teeth in the morning is, "Will this cause the POTUS to launch a primary challenge at me?"
I think they think it is a bad idea, and quite knee jerk.   I feel that way just looking at the issue on its face.  Could care less what the dork in the White House thinks. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3695 on: June 19, 2020, 09:15:43 PM »
I think they think it is a bad idea, and quite knee jerk.  I feel that way just looking at the issue on its face.  Could care less what the dork in the White House thinks.
It might be true that they think it's a bad idea, HB, but it's irrelevant.  What the POTUS says, and fear of what he might say, is driving every political calculation they make.

I say that as a lifelong Republican.
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