2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread

[FearlessF]

As a fan of a team who was GREAT this year, but figures to be quite mediocre next year, it just sucks that it's this year.

UNC fans probably feeling the exact opposite.

Husker hoops fans are thrilled it's finally over

Husker Rasslin fans feel cheated

ya take the good with the bad

[847badgerfan]

Minnesota fans can say that their team didn't miss the tourney this year, and therefore they are better than Wisconsin, who missed the tourney this year.

[medinabuckeye1]

I frankly think that Chris Holtmann will enter 2020-2021 squarely on the hot seat.  

According to thestreet.com, he is the 22nd highest paid CBB coach at $3 Million per year.  That isn't that far off from Tom Izzo (#9) and his $3.957 but the results are.  Additionally, Ohio State spent $110 Million (~$180 in today's dollars) to build what is one of the largest home CBB arena's in the country.  Per Fueled By Sports, Value City Arena has the 12th largest capacity of among CBB arenas.  The bottom line is that Ohio State didn't spend $110 Million on the arena and $3 Million annually on the coach to field mediocre teams and that is what we are doing.  

In Holtmann's three years:

• 2017-2018:  25-9/14-3, tied for 2nd/3rd in the B1G one game behind the league champions.  Despite their high seed they got bounced from the BTT in their first game then got a #5 seed in the NCAA.  They got a ludicrously easy NCAA draw in which their path to the NC would have been 12, 4, 9, 3, 11 but they lost to a typically overrated Gonzaga team in the round of 32 so they didn't even make the S16.  
• 2018-2019:  20-15/8-12, tied for 8th/9th in the B1G eight games behind the league co-champions.  They got into the NCAA by the skin of their teeth after going 1-1 in the BTT.  They got a #11 seed, and beat #6 ISU in their NCAA opener before losing to #3 Houston and, again, failing to make the S16.  
• 2019-2020:  21-10/11-9, tied for 5th/6th/7th/8th in the B1G three games behind the league co-champions (all three of them).  

I've seen where some Ohio State fans think next year will be better as the team will have more experience overall but I disagree.  I think this WAS the "peak" year.  I'm assuming that both Wessons will be gone and I expect to see this team take a step back.  If they do, Holtmann has to go.  2019-2020 was fine for an off year but it is nowhere close to the peak that Ohio State is paying for.  

[ELA]

Minnesota fans can say that their team didn't miss the tourney this year, and therefore they are better than Wisconsin, who missed the tourney this year.

I feel bad for all of the seniors, from teams with a chance to make a run.  But I really feel for Lamar Stevens, who stuck it out for 4 years, just to have it ripped away, and the whole Rutgers fan base, and the one bid league teams who haven't been in a while.

[MaximumSam]

Holtmann is pretty danged far from being in the hot seat. They finished 8th in KenPom this year, their best since 2013. He would have to have a disastrous season next year to be on the hot seat.

They should be pretty good next year. I also think they lose both Wessons. Unclear if they lose anyone else. They add Cal transfer Justice Sueing and Musa Jallow returns from his redshirt year. They should have a lot of guards and wings but not a lot of big men. Biggest question for me is development of Kyle Young and EJ Liddell. If they can add a solid three point shot OSU is a national title contender. If not not, may be hard get production offensively.

[MaximumSam]

I feel bad for all of the seniors, from teams with a chance to make a run.  But I really feel for Lamar Stevens, who stuck it out for 4 years, just to have it ripped away, and the whole Rutgers fan base, and the one bid league teams who haven't been in a while.

Yeah that truly sucks. Rutgers is at least in good shape next year

[bayareabadger]

I frankly think that Chris Holtmann will enter 2020-2021 squarely on the hot seat. 

According to thestreet.com, he is the 22nd highest paid CBB coach at $3 Million per year.  That isn't that far off from Tom Izzo (#9) and his $3.957 but the results are.  Additionally, Ohio State spent $110 Million (~$180 in today's dollars) to build what is one of the largest home CBB arena's in the country.  Per Fueled By Sports, Value City Arena has the 12th largest capacity of among CBB arenas.  The bottom line is that Ohio State didn't spend $110 Million on the arena and $3 Million annually on the coach to field mediocre teams and that is what we are doing. 

In Holtmann's three years:

• 2017-2018:  25-9/14-3, tied for 2nd/3rd in the B1G one game behind the league champions.  Despite their high seed they got bounced from the BTT in their first game then got a #5 seed in the NCAA.  They got a ludicrously easy NCAA draw in which their path to the NC would have been 12, 4, 9, 3, 11 but they lost to a typically overrated Gonzaga team in the round of 32 so they didn't even make the S16. 
• 2018-2019:  20-15/8-12, tied for 8th/9th in the B1G eight games behind the league co-champions.  They got into the NCAA by the skin of their teeth after going 1-1 in the BTT.  They got a #11 seed, and beat #6 ISU in their NCAA opener before losing to #3 Houston and, again, failing to make the S16. 
• 2019-2020:  21-10/11-9, tied for 5th/6th/7th/8th in the B1G three games behind the league co-champions (all three of them). 

I've seen where some Ohio State fans think next year will be better as the team will have more experience overall but I disagree.  I think this WAS the "peak" year.  I'm assuming that both Wessons will be gone and I expect to see this team take a step back.  If they do, Holtmann has to go.  2019-2020 was fine for an off year but it is nowhere close to the peak that Ohio State is paying for. 

Solution. 

OSU should fire him and pay the next guy less. 

(I also didn't think we'd get in this early on "when is good good enough?" but here we are)

[847badgerfan]

[ELA]

Wow, the NCAA doing something quick and correct?


https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1238515080456810499?s=19

[FearlessF]

unconscionable

[medinabuckeye1]

Solution.

OSU should fire him and pay the next guy less.

(I also didn't think we'd get in this early on "when is good good enough?" but here we are)

I realize that you are joking, but as an alum I want to spend what it takes to get the BB program to the point where it is a regular contender.  Ohio State has plenty of money and spending >$100 Million on the arena and ~$3 Million/year on the coach indicates that the AD agrees with me.  

I would have said where they win a NC but that has a lot of luck attached.  I would love it for my school to win a NC (would be their second as the only prior was 1960) but ultimately I would NOT be satisfied if we won a random lucky NC but otherwise did not regularly field contenders.  OTOH, I would be satisfied with being a regular contender.  

[ELA]

Medina could have had what he wanteddl...in a year OSU would have been likely left out as a 5 seed


https://twitter.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/1238544064536023040?s=19

[medinabuckeye1]

Per the NCAA, tOSU is currently #16 in the NET rankings so if they had just straight up used that (possible given the chaos) the Buckeyes would have gotten a date with #1 Gonzaga.  

I'm assuming a long weekend 16-team tournament would be:

• First Round:  Tuesday
• Quarter-Finals:  Thursday
• Semi-Finals:  Saturday
• Championship:  Monday

So using the current NET rankings from the NCAA's site that would have been:
Tuesday:

• #1 Gonzaga vs #16 Ohio State
• #8 Louisville vs #9 BYU
• #4 SDSU vs #13 Villanova
• #5 Baylor vs #12 Oregon
• #2 Kansas vs #15 Seton Hall
• #7 Michigan State vs #10 FSU
• #3 Dayton vs #14 Arizona
• #6 Dook vs #11 Creighton

Thursday Quarter Finals:

• Gonzaga/tOSU vs Louisville/BYU
• SDSU/Villanova vs Baylor/Oregon
• Kansas/Seton Hall vs MSU/FSU
• Dayton/Arizona vs Dook/Creighton

Saturday Semi-Finals:

• Gonzaga/tOSU/Louisville/BYU vs SDSU/Nova/Baylor/Oregon
• Kansas/Seton Hall/MSU/FSU vs Dayton/Zona/Dook/Creighton

Monday Championship:

• Gonzaga/tOSU/Louisville/BYU/SDSU/Nova/Baylor/Oregon vs Kansas/Seton Hall/MSU/FSU/Dayton/Zona/Dook/Creighton

In the B1G Maryland (#18), Wisconsin (#23), and Michigan (#24) would have been barely out.  

[bayareabadger]

I realize that you are joking, but as an alum I want to spend what it takes to get the BB program to the point where it is a regular contender.  Ohio State has plenty of money and spending >$100 Million on the arena and ~$3 Million/year on the coach indicates that the AD agrees with me. 

I would have said where they win a NC but that has a lot of luck attached.  I would love it for my school to win a NC (would be their second as the only prior was 1960) but ultimately I would NOT be satisfied if we won a random lucky NC but otherwise did not regularly field contenders.  OTOH, I would be satisfied with being a regular contender. 

Like a regular NC contender? Or Big Ten contender?