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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1610 on: July 20, 2019, 08:22:38 AM »
nothing wrong with the 6.2 except that it probably weighs more than other 4 L engines

I am surprised that the C8 would weigh more than the C7

the C8 might not have as much storage space for my golf clubs
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1611 on: July 20, 2019, 08:32:45 AM »
The C8 has less storage space, supposedly two golf bags still fit.  The increased weight might be in part due to meeting frontal impact requirements without an engine up there.  They supposedly put most of the stiffening into the center of the car where the driveshaft would normally be.  They had to deal with shifting the passenger compartment forward while leaving room for one's feet.  Apparently this is why no three pedal variant will be offered, no room for the clutch pedal.  The exotics are all DCTs now without exception I think.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1612 on: July 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM »
with no engine in front of your feet there should be ample room.  No need for a manual clutch because no human can out perform the DCTs
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1613 on: July 20, 2019, 08:50:51 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
with no engine in front of your feet there should be ample room.  No need for a manual clutch because no human can out perform the DCTs

When you shift the passenger compartment forward, you run into the front wheel wells.  The manual has always been an option for a certain kind of driver, in high performance cars it is not for performance, as you note.  Cars that can hit 60 mph in ~5 seconds or less are faster with automatics, even the regular ones.  The C7 had a manual option.  The very first Vette was auto only, a 2 speed transmission.

My GTI is a bit faster with the manual, but it obviously is not an ultra high performance car and it's FWD.  It's the first FWD car I've drive for any period of time where I can't tell almost immediately it is FWD.  

I don't mind the manual even in traffic, but I noticed we only have 8500 miles on it after 14 months.  
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1614 on: July 20, 2019, 09:02:03 AM »
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1615 on: July 20, 2019, 09:05:22 AM »
dern fat front tires

I might seem odd at first but perhaps they could angle the seats towards the middle of the car to get the feet more room?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1616 on: July 20, 2019, 09:21:24 AM »
Yeah, they could, I expect drivers wouldn't like that.  It's an issue for all rear engine cars unless they just let them get long.

I guess they are going after Ferrari level performance and the manual doesn't add anything to that.  Manuals are dying off as it is, so I guess they just stuck a fork in it, it won't cost them many sales.  Try to find a Ferrari or Lambo with a manual..

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/porsche-isn-t-getting-rid-of-manual-transmissions-yet-ar182932.html

Porsche wanted to ditch the manual.  Their fans wanted it back.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a32889/when-it-comes-to-manual-transmissions-porsche-is-crazy/

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1617 on: July 20, 2019, 12:55:10 PM »
I love the idea of manuals, and I love the 6-speed on my Boss 302 Mustang.  Except on rare occasions when I don't.

As for angling the driving position, it has been done.

For example, Carroll Shelby angled the driving position outward to clear the transmission in the 427 Cobra.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1618 on: July 20, 2019, 01:05:01 PM »
These days it's about bragging rights on stats, quarter mile times, Nurburgring lap times, etc.

We once had a rental car in France with a DCT that was almost undriveable.  Puegot I think it was.  It would not ease forward.  I banged the front and the back on some stone walls.  The wife had rented it for work and took insurance so it didn't matter.

Don't rent from Hertz in Paris.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1619 on: July 21, 2019, 09:43:54 AM »
the C8 is a bit longer and wider than the C7, some of the added weight
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1620 on: July 21, 2019, 10:15:23 AM »
The C7 is already very wide.  From the front or rear, in traffic, it looks like it has the proportions of a rolling book.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1621 on: July 21, 2019, 10:35:41 AM »
The rear design has been criticized by some, but that always happens I think.  They took some design elements from this car with the C7 and 8 I think, not a bad model IMHO.



Ferrari 458 Italia Spyder, probably the prettiest car ever IMHO.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1622 on: July 21, 2019, 10:37:20 AM »
Ferrari?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1623 on: July 21, 2019, 10:44:27 AM »
Power in the 458 comes from a 4.5L V8 engine mounted mid-ship, and makes an impressive 570 horsepower and 398 lb-feet of torque in standard guise. In the Speciale, it makes 597 hp. The only transmission choice is a 7-speed double-clutch transmission, connected to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential. The suspension is of the active, self-leveling variety.

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