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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1639 on: July 22, 2019, 12:43:53 PM »
it's a minivan

who cares about the grill?
It's not a minivan. It's not nearly as useful as a minivan!  

I'm actually pro-minivan. They have incredible utility, far more than any "sport utility vehicle". They're nearly perfect vehicles for hauling around families and stuff. Minivans aren't the greatest for towing [you should have a truck or a TRUE SUV for that], but neither are crossovers.

Fun article on minivans: https://jalopnik.com/minivan-sales-are-plummeting-compared-to-suvs-because-w-1835336564

As for the RX350: It's a tall sedan. That's all any of these "crossovers" are any more. It's a car chassis, front wheel drive, unibody construction. It's not designed to go off-road, or tow, or carry heavy loads [other than me]. Frankly, if I suggested taking it off-road, my wife would probably stab me anyway. It seats 4 mildly comfortably; I wouldn't want to have 5 in there. It doesn't even offer a particularly large cargo area; more than a typical sedan but not that much more than a good hatchback and probably less than a wagon due to the slope of the rear window. All it really has over a sedan is the higher seating position, which my wife prefers over her previous car (BMW 3-series) for visibility, and which I prefer for easier ingress/egress as a tall person.

Please don't insult minivans by suggesting that a Lexus RX350 is one of them. 

I still think it's a sexy looking car, though. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1640 on: July 22, 2019, 01:00:36 PM »
The headroom sucks in these crossovers as they try to keep up w fuel mandates.   

As a tall dude you gotta appreciate that.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1641 on: July 22, 2019, 01:06:28 PM »
As you probably know.. I'm not a fan of mini vans, SUVs, crossovers

I'm old, I like cars, sedan or coupe.  I also like trucks.  The in between stuff seems like it's trying to be something, but not sure what.

I understand that folks like to sit up a bit higher for better sight, but that just raises center of gravity, and causes problems with aerodynamics.

Unfortunately, since the vast majority like these high sitting vehicles for storage and visibility and all-wheel drive in these parts the automakers aren't making full size sedans any longer.  I large sedan with a large trunk can have better storage space than a small crossover. 
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1642 on: July 22, 2019, 01:16:53 PM »
The headroom sucks in these crossovers as they try to keep up w fuel mandates. 

As a tall dude you gotta appreciate that.
Completely. When we looked at the RX, we also looked at the NX. Because that vehicle isn't the family hauler, my wife could have gotten by with the smaller NX. But I couldn't fit in it. Frankly, to me the driver's seat position in the RX is still a bit cramped.

As I've mentioned, I'm actually a fan of minivans. When I was still married to my ex, we had an Odyssey, largely because I pushed her away from the SUV. It is a superb vehicle.

After getting divorced, I still had my Jeep Wrangler (2 door), which could only carry 4 people. And I met my now wife, who drove a BMW 3-series sedan, which technically holds 5 [but not really]. I knew I needed a family hauler, something big enough for two adults, 3 kids, a dog [or two, although we don't have the dog yet], comfortably, on a road trip. And I knew that given my stature, my two boys are going to grow tall, and the idea was to have that vehicle until at least one of them went to college. So I knew I needed a truly functional 3rd row seat, not one that was put in as an afterthought to claim 7-passenger seating.

I was considering minivans. But only having the kids 40% of the time, I wanted something a little more suited to me than a minivan. But most crossovers were trash. None of them actually had a functional third row seat that anyone older than 10 could crawl into much less sit in. And with the rooflines, they all felt cramped. The 3-row versions basically gave up on cargo room to have three seats. By trying to look like an SUV [and in the service of fuel economy goals] they ended up with poor utility anyway. 

I ended up with the ultimate "uncool dad who thinks he's still cool" car: the Ford Flex. It's basically the car equivalent of white New Balance sneakers and cargo shorts. And I love the thing. It's like driving a La-Z-Boy down the road. And because it's slab-sided without the aggressively sloped A/B/C pillars, inside it doesn't feel like it's encroaching on my head and shoulders while I'm driving. The rear seats are incredibly roomy and comfortable, and the third row is actually functional for normal-sized human beings, which obviously excludes me. And because it's essentially shaped like a squat van, the cargo area in the back is massive.

It's not quite as a spacious as a minivan, but it's more comfortable for me as a daily driver. 

So I avoided the minivan, by getting a large station wagon. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1643 on: July 22, 2019, 01:29:21 PM »
Don't get a dog.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1644 on: July 22, 2019, 01:34:47 PM »
As you probably know.. I'm not a fan of mini vans, SUVs, crossovers

I'm old, I like cars, sedan or coupe.  I also like trucks.  The in between stuff seems like it's trying to be something, but not sure what.

I understand that folks like to sit up a bit higher for better sight, but that just raises center of gravity, and causes problems with aerodynamics.

Unfortunately, since the vast majority like these high sitting vehicles for storage and visibility and all-wheel drive in these parts the automakers aren't making full size sedans any longer.  I large sedan with a large trunk can have better storage space than a small crossover.
Agree with you completely on the "in between stuff". 

I don't consider a minivan to be an "in between" vehicle though. They're pretty clear about what they are and what their purpose is. And they're incredbly adept at fulfilling that purpose.

Kinda similar to the Jeep Wrangler. The other Jeep SUVs are trying to be compromises between off-road capability and on-road civility. The Wrangler isn't. It is what it's advertised to be; a capable off-roader that you can live with on-road if you're willing to give up comfort, as smooth ride, gas mileage, etc. It's not in between.

My only problems with sedans and trucks are twofold:

  • At 6'5" and 270#, I don't like the low ingress/egress of a sedan, and often the driving area is cramped. It's actually quite hard to find a truly "comfortable" car for me.
  • At the point I am in my life (3 kids aged 7-12, wife), a sedan is too small. Very few but the largest sedans are large enough that anyone could reasonably sit behind me, because of my seating position. I basically sit with the seat as far back as it can go, and as low as it can go, and that makes a 5-seater vehicle into a 3-seater because nobody other than a small child can sit behind me. Then, a light truck is too small, so I'd need to get a big full-size king cab truck to fit the family, which is terrible gas mileage and I don't need the utility. 

When the kids move on, I actually think the ideal vehicle for me would be what I had before kids: a light truck. I had a Ford Ranger for 10 years, and it was great. Having a truck around the house is convenient. I don't need a full-size, because it wouldn't be used for heavy duty work. Which is good because the light trucks get better gas mileage, are smaller and easier to park, but still offer great utility. I was VERY excited when they re-introduced the Ranger. I'd snap up another one of those in a heartbeat. 


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1645 on: July 22, 2019, 01:42:07 PM »
Minivans were very practical for me until my kids got grown.  The sliding door was a major asset, as was the room in the back.

They don't drive worth spit.  The hatchback is a good design for me now.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1646 on: July 22, 2019, 01:58:24 PM »
the sedans of the 80s and 90s were large enough for big guys and their families

even a couple dogs

not today

the Implala was a mid sized sedan by my definition and they don't make it any longer
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1647 on: July 22, 2019, 02:21:00 PM »
I think we're going to be getting a Cayenne in the not-to-distant future.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1648 on: July 22, 2019, 02:45:12 PM »
why not the Mercedes?
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1649 on: July 22, 2019, 02:58:06 PM »
I really liked the Porsche's that I had in the past and would like to have one more in my lifetime. The Cayenne fits the bill. The cars are too low for me these days, with the back and all that.

We'll see. We were just talking about it last night.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1650 on: July 22, 2019, 03:08:00 PM »
they sound great on the commercial - the exhaust note
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1651 on: July 22, 2019, 03:15:49 PM »
I was a bit miffed to see SUV Porsches, but then everyone did it so I survived.

I was in Kroger today and took a very quick peak at the various CFB preseason mags.  Boring.  

The wife bought an Instapot thing a while back and used it once, so I decided as we have it I'd use it to make beef stew with chuck roast.  Turned out quite well.

I got two nice looking bone in pork chops for tonight.


 

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