2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread

[JerseyTerrapin]

Nebraska is not the best team, but may have had the best performance of Maryland's home opponents

We were lucky to win that one, as well as at Indiana.  There are so many excellent players on every team. 

That was my first ever look at Hoiberg.  Look out, B1G...

[FearlessF]

I'm a fan of Coach Mark Turgeon.

really liked what he did with the Texas Aggies

but, last night he should have pounded the ball inside ALL night.  Should have won the game by 20+

Huskers have no offense

[medinabuckeye1]

I don't always do mid-week updates but with the two upsets last night there were significant changes near the top of the projected final standings.  The new projected final standings are:

• 16-4 Maryland
• 14-6 Penn State
• 13-7 Wisconsin (wins tiebreaker over MSU based on record against UMD, no game in College Park)
• 13-7 Michigan State
• 12-8 Illinois
• 11-9 Iowa
• 10-10 Rutgers
• 10-10 Minnesota
• 10-10 Ohio State
• 10-10 Purdue
• 9-11 Indiana
• 7-13 Michigan
• 3-17 Nebraska
• 2-18 Northwestern

The 10-10 tie is a mess.  I usually solve these by starting from the fact that if they all played each other twice we would expect the home team to win all of the games so they would all go 3-3.  Then I subtract games not played which gets you this:

• 3-1 tOSU (no games in West Lafayette or Picastaway)
• 2-2 PU (no game in Minneapolis, do not host tOSU)
• 2-2 RU (no game in Minneapolis, do not host tOSU)
• 1-3 MN (do not host either RU or PU)

Then I adjust for upsets.  The only upset in games among these four teams was Minnesota's win in Columbus which yields a projected H2H2H2H for the four teams of:

• 2-2 tOSU (minus one win, plus one loss)
• 2-2 PU
• 2-2 RU
• 2-2 MN (plus one win, minus one loss)

Then we move to record against the best team, then the next best, etc.  Records against 16-4 UMD:

• All four are projected to go 0-season against UMD.  

Record against 14-6 PSU:

• 1-1 tOSU:  Won in Columbus, lost in State College
• 1-1 RU:  Lost in State College, projected to win in Picastaway
• 1-1 MN:  Won in Minneapolis, lost in State College
• 0-1 PU:  Lost in West Lafayette, no game in State College

Thus, PU gets the #10 seed while the other three move on to record against 13-7 MSU and UW:

• 1-2 RU (do not host MSU)
• 1-3 MN (lost at home to MSU)
• 0-3 tOSU (do not host MSU, lost at home to UW)

[JerseyTerrapin]

Honest question: does it irritate you all that Maryland, a newbie from the East, is in first place?  They've done well in sports, but no titles in the major ones (football, men's basketball).  I always wondered what to expect.

I'm trying to keep in mind how us old-guard ACC people viewed the newbies, of which there are many, as they joined up.  I was on the other side of it then, obviously...

[FearlessF]

as a fan of Lefty Driesell and Gary Williams back in the good old days, I don't mind the Terps having a great season.

as a Big Ten newbie regarding football, I'm sure most B1G fans didn't want the Huskers to come in and dominate the West, but I'd guess after 10 seasons, most are wishing the Huskers would pull their weight and not be an embarrassment to the conference

Good for Terps Hoops

[TyphonInc]

Honest question: does it irritate you all that Maryland, a newbie from the East, is in first place?  They've done well in sports, but no titles in the major ones (football, men's basketball).  I always wondered what to expect.

I'm trying to keep in mind how us old-guard ACC people viewed the newbies, of which there are many, as they joined up.  I was on the other side of it then, obviously...

Buckeye Fan, I love that the Terps are doing great.

[ELA]

Honest question: does it irritate you all that Maryland, a newbie from the East, is in first place?  They've done well in sports, but no titles in the major ones (football, men's basketball).  I always wondered what to expect.

Not even a little bit.  Helps that there aren't really any dislikable players on this year's Maryland squad.

[MaximumSam]

Honest question: does it irritate you all that Maryland, a newbie from the East, is in first place?  They've done well in sports, but no titles in the major ones (football, men's basketball).  I always wondered what to expect.

I'm trying to keep in mind how us old-guard ACC people viewed the newbies, of which there are many, as they joined up.  I was on the other side of it then, obviously...

No. I don't really think of them or Rutgers as a newbie anymore, and Maryland's basketball program was a draw for them

[NickSmith4Three]

MRI showed no structural damage in Ayo's knee.  Best possible news.  Hopefully he is able to bounce back soon.

[JerseyTerrapin]

MRI showed no structural damage in Ayo's knee.  Best possible news.  Hopefully he is able to bounce back soon.

That's so great.

I loved seeing him diving for that loose ball and squirting it over to his teammate last night...

[medinabuckeye1]

Honest question: does it irritate you all that Maryland, a newbie from the East, is in first place?  They've done well in sports, but no titles in the major ones (football, men's basketball).  I always wondered what to expect.

I'm trying to keep in mind how us old-guard ACC people viewed the newbies, of which there are many, as they joined up.  I was on the other side of it then, obviously...

Short answer, no.  

Longer answer:
Maryland's final record/place each year they have been in the B1G:

• 2015:  14-4, second
• 2016:  12-6, tied for 3rd/4th/5th/6th
• 2017:  12-6, tied for 2nd/3rd
• 2018:  8-10, eighth
• 2019:  13-7 , fifth
• Five year average:  9.2-6.6 a range for second to eighth.  

Previous five years in the ACC:

• 2014:  9-9, tied for 7th/8th/9th
• 2013:  8-10, sixth
• 2012:  6-10, sixth
• 2011:  7-9, sixth
• 2010:  13-3, tied for 1st/2nd
• Five year average:  8.6-8.2 a range from first to ninth.  

Maryland's status as a solid BB program within the ACC helps.  If Maryland had sucked in the ACC then come in and dominated the B1G that would have been embarrassing but they didn't suck in the ACC and they haven't dominated the B1G.  

I remember way back when PSU joined.  One of my friends in HS was a big PSU fan.  He told me repeatedly how PSU was going to dominate the "old" Big Ten in football.  Their first year they lost two games:

• 21-13 at home to Michigan, and
• 24-6 in Columbus.  

I was at the game in Columbus and a few weeks later I was home for Thanksgiving and I saw my friend.  I told him I enjoyed seeing JoPa in the flesh (as a CFB fan, I did) and then I said "losses to Michigan and Ohio State, welcome to the Big Ten!"  

It was the same thing there.  It would have been embarrassing if PSU would have sucked as an independent then come in and dominated the B1G.  They didn't suck as an independent and while 1994 was a great year for them, that was their only league title in their first 12 years in the league (1993-2004).  In the 27 years that PSU has been in the B1G (1993-2019) they have four league titles in football.  Comparatively:

• 13 tOSU
• 6 UW
• 5 M
• 4 PSU
• 3 NU and MSU
• 2 IA
• 1 PU and IL

That makes me happy but I don't care anymore.  Penn State has been in the league long enough that if they start dominating it will not make the league look weak.  

The same thing applies to Maryland.  Assuming that they win the B1G this year they will have one league title in six years which is the exact same number that they had in their last six years in the ACC and the overall record isn't all that different.  It would have irritated me if the Terps had come in and flat out dominated such that the B1G looked weak compared to the ACC.  They didn't and now it has been long enough that it wouldn't look that way even if this became the start of a dominating decade of Terps hoops.  Besides, I read @mcwterps1 's posts so I know that the Terps are terrible and the bottom will fall out soon and they'll be lucky to finish above .500 

[mcwterps1]

Besides, I read @mcwterps1 's posts so I know that the Terps are terrible and the bottom will fall out soon and they'll be lucky to finish above .500

No. They're not THAT bad, but they are extremely lucky to be where they are.

I played only 1 year of football in HS as a senior, because I wasn't built for it, but I've always loved the game. I was tall and skinny.

I was pretty good playing basketball, but I couldn't even try out for the team, because we were 2A and the roster was full. I just happened to be in a class full of coaches kids.

So, I was relegated to rec leagues.

Anyway, when I watch the Terps play I get so frustrated. I've never seen a team miss so many layups, have so many people around the basket not get a rebound, throw the ball to the other team almost purposefully, shoot 3's and miss only to keep shooting and miss, and just do stupid crap.

Stix is all we have down low, and his lower body is still weak. Ayala is a turnover in the lane waiting to happen. Cowan has been the only real offense when needed. 

When I see other teams play in the top 10, they just look more fluid and organized.

PSU has the complete team with experience. I don't see how they lose the Big Ten. Regular season or tournament.

Side note, for some reason when I type or say something into this chat it punctuates things, adds periods, and capitalizes for no reason at all. 

Not sure what's causing it, my keyboard, some practical joke. 

[847badgerfan]

I like it that MD is doing well this year. I like it that Rutgers is doing well. It's good for the league.

[FearlessF]

Nebraska is one of the schools that has reportedly shown interest in former Wisconsin guard Kobe King, who departed from the Badgers in late January after a situation that ultimately led to a strength coach leaving his job.

According to Mark Miller, who writes for WisSports.Net and is tied into King from his high school days, other schools besides the Huskers to reach out to King include Iowa State, Xavier and Northern Iowa.