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bayareabadger

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1288 on: February 09, 2020, 09:53:45 PM »
This league is interesting because it seems like every damn team has had a swoon or two. There have been points when PSU, kinda Illinois, MSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, Minnesota, OSU, Michigan, IU have all made its fans gulp and say, man this might go bad. 

Iowa kinda avoided it, give or take getting murdered by Purdue. Rutgers started worse but got better. Maryland had that for a second, but it turned out PSU and Seton Hall were super. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1289 on: February 09, 2020, 11:54:04 PM »
At times, I think we overuse that phrase. He altered a man's career. He set it back. He changed it's course and certianly hurt his family in the short term (maybe long term). But it likely is not ruined.

It's also worth noting, he did some things to put himself in a bad situation. Some things you say in a role that is in part educator could land you in hot water. The same way you can often drive after four beers and not face consequences does not make it anyone's fault when you do. That said, Kobe was also reckless with his actions. I don't know how thought out any of it was (did someone suggest the waiver? Was he just feeling highly open to an open-ended question?) and it's one of those unfortunate instances that happens.

I don't think it's all that fair, but I don't think a lot of things are fair, and alas the world keeps spinning.
I hope you mean to say something like, "Alas, a lot of things that aren't fair keep happening."
Personally, I'm happy that the world keeps spinning.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1290 on: February 11, 2020, 10:13:53 AM »
Three weeks til March KenPom

1. Maryland (8)
2. MSU (10)
3. OSU (12)
4. Purdue (14)
5. PSU (15)
6. Iowa (18)
7. Michigan (24)
8. Illinois (27)
9. Minnesota (31)
10. Wisconsin (32)
11. Rutgers (33)
12. Indiana (44)
13. Northwestern (116)
14. Nebraska (138)

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1291 on: February 11, 2020, 10:21:21 AM »
Updated weekly Massey composite rankings (58 rankings)

  • Kansas (1)
  • Gonzaga (4)
  • Baylor (2)
  • Duke (3)
  • San Diego State (5)
  • Louisville (7)
  • Dayton (6)
  • MARYLAND (9)
  • West Virginia (8)
  • Seton Hall (14)
  • Florida State (11)
  • Auburn (15)
  • PENN STATE (21)
  • MICHIGAN STATE (10)
  • Colorado (17)
  • Arizona (12)
  • Marquette (25)
  • Kentucky (23)
  • Villanova (13)
  • Houston (-)
  • Oregon (16)
  • Butler (20)
  • Creighton (19)
  • IOWA (18)
  • BYU (-)




  • 26. Ohio State (24)
  • 29. Purdue (44)
  • 30. Michigan (32)
  • 31. Illinois (26)
  • 32. Rutgers (30)
  • 35. Wisconsin (36)
  • 44. Minnesota (50)
  • 46. Indiana (39)
  • 145. Northwestern (150)
  • 161. Nebraska (154)


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1292 on: February 11, 2020, 11:47:45 AM »
Teams outside of +/-1 per the tiers:
+2 Illinois:  The difference between tier-2 and tier-1 is projected result in road games against tier-3, those are:

  • @ IU, not played
  • @ MN, not played
  • @ M, won
  • RU, 2/15
  • tOSU, 3/5

Lets wait and see what happens in their game at Rutgers. 

+2 Nebraska:  I think they should stay. 

-2 Michigan:  The difference between tier-3 and tier-4 is the projected result in home games against tier-2, those are:
  • vs IA, won
  • vs PU, won
  • vs IL, lost
  • vs PSU, lost
  • vs UW, 2/27

They need to drop to tier-4 because the move of MSU to tier-2 will leave M at -3. 

-3 Michigan State:  The difference between tier-1 and tier-2 is the projected result in road games against tier-3, those are:
  • @ tOSU, not played
  • @ RU, not played
  • @ MN, won
  • @ IU, lost
  • @ M, lost

They need to be dropped to tier-2. 

Moving MSU to tier-2 and M to tier-4 moves PU and IA to -2. 
-2 Purdue:  The difference between tier-2 and tier-3 is projected result in home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4:
  • vs UMD, not played
  • @ M, lost
Purdue needs to move down to tier-3. 

-2 Iowa:  The difference between tier-2 and tier-3 is projected result in home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4, those are:
  • vs UMD, won
  • @ M, lost

I went ahead and dropped Iowa because their other upset is a negative upset.  
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1293 on: February 11, 2020, 11:49:46 AM »
Based on the above, the updated tiers are:

  • Maryland
  • Illinois+1, Wisconsin+1, PSU, MSU-1
  • Iowa, Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue-1, tOSU-1, IU-1
  • Michigan+1
  • Nebraska+1, Northwestern

Note that all teams are within +/-1.  

Upsets so far have been:




« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 12:28:04 PM by medinabuckeye1 »

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1294 on: February 11, 2020, 12:12:44 PM »
Updated projected final standings/BTT seeds and match-ups are:

  • 16-4/26-5 Maryland
  • 13-7/23-8 Penn State
  • 13-7/20-11 Wisconsin
  • 13-7/21-10 Illinois
  • 12-8/20-11 Michigan State
  • 11-9/20-11 Iowa
  • 11-9/18-13 Purdue
  • 10-10/16-14 Minnesota
  • 10-10/19-12 Rutgers
  • 10-10/20-12 Ohio State
  • 9-11/19-12 Indiana
  • 7-13/16-15 Michigan
  • 3-17/8-23 Nebraska
  • 2-18/7-23 Northwestern

The tiebreakers are:
For the three-way tie at 13-7 for 2nd/3rd/4th:
  • The first tiebreaker is H2H2H and all three are projected to go 1-1 against each other:  PSU does not travel to Champaign or Madison but they lost at home to Wisconsin.  Illinois does not host Wisconsin or Penn State but they won in Madison.  Wisconsin does not host PSU and won in State College while they do not travel to Champaign but they lost at home to Illinois.  
  • The Second tiebreaker is record against UMD:  The Illini are projected to go 0-2 while PSU and UW are both projected to go 1-1 so the Illini get the 4th seed while PSU and UW move on to the next tiebreaker:
  • The third tiebreaker is record against MSU:  PSU is projected to go 2-0 while UW is projected to go 1-1.  

For the two-way tie at 11-9 for 6th/7th:
  • The first tiebreaker is H2H and they are projected to go 1-1 against each other.  
  • The second tiebreaker is record against Maryland:  Iowa is projected to go 1-1 while PU is projected to go 0-1.  


For the three-way tie at 10-10 for 8th/9th/10th:
  • The first tiebreaker is H2H2H.  MN is projected to go 2-1, RU is projected to go 1-1, and tOSU is projected to go 1-2


The match-ups at the BTT in Indianapolis would be:
Wednesday, March 11, 2020:
  • #11 Indiana vs #14 Northwestern, 930pm, BTN
  • #12 Michigan vs #13 Nebraska, 6pm, BTN

Thursday, March 12, 2020:
  • #5 Michigan State vs M/UNL, 230pm, BTN
  • #6 Iowa vs IU/NU, 9pm, BTN
  • #7 Purdue vs #10 Ohio State, 630pm, BTN
  • #8 Minnesota vs #9 Rutgers, noon, BTN

Friday, March 13, 2020:
  • #1 Maryland vs MN/RU, noon, BTN
  • #2 Penn State vs PU/tOSU, 630pm, BTN
  • #3 Wisconsin vs IA/IU/NU, 9pm, BTN
  • #4 Illinois vs MSU/M/UNL, 230pm, BTN

Saturday, March 14, 2020:
  • UMD/MN/RU vs IL/MSU/M/UNL, 1pm, CBS
  • PSU/PU/tOSU vs UW/IA/IU/NU, 330pm, CBS

Sunday, March 15, 2020:
  • UMD/MN/RU/IL/MSU/M/UNL vs PSU/PU/tOSU/UW/IA/IU/NU, 330pm, CBS


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1295 on: February 11, 2020, 12:36:11 PM »
This week (Tues-Thur) all teams except MN and UW have a game:

  • PSU @ PU-1, Tuesday at 6:30 on BTN:  We project a PU win.   
  • UNL+1 @ UMD Tuesday at 8:30 on BTN:  We project a UMD win.  
  • MSU-1 @ IL+1 Tuesday at 9 on ESPN:  We project an IL win.  
  • RU @ tOSU-1, Wednesday at 7 on BTN:  We project a tOSU win.  
  • M+1 @ NU, Wednesday at 9 on BTN:  We project a NU win.  If Michigan wins I think I'll drop NU into their own tier-6.  
  • IA @ IU-1, Thursday at 8 on BTN:  We project an IU win.  


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1296 on: February 11, 2020, 12:44:50 PM »
If Purdue beats PSU tonight, and particularly if they continue to show some of the trends that have been coming in the last 4-5 games, I think they're still a tier 2 team.

Sagarin currently has Purdue 10th, but their "recent" rating is 2 points higher than their current rating. While they're not the only team like that (their "recent" is still 10th nationally for "recent"), if you used their "recent" rating compared to every other team's current rating they'd be up to 7th and just barely behind L'Ville. 

But even more than the rating, if you've watched them on the court it appears the team has turned a major corner. 

I think part of this might have been injury-related. Haarms had a concussion and then a hip pointer and hadn't looked quite like his usual energetic self, but looks to have recovered. Nojel came into the season with some nagging injuries and then appeared to have hand/wrist injuries in several of the first few games. I think it caused him to play tentatively. 

But even beyond that, it seems that the young players are developing well and more importantly, players are finally starting to understand and settle into their roles. 

The biggest change has been at the 4. Something lit a major fire under Evan Boudreaux, who was in a shooting slump and didn't seem to be in the game early in the season. He's been playing with energy, tearing it up rebounding, getting put-backs, driving to the hoop, and found his 3pt shot again. Likewise, Aaron Wheeler started the year VERY poorly. He was doing all the little things (defense, rebounding, hustle, etc) but couldn't buy a bucket. He's started to play with confidence, his shots are falling, and he's one of our better post-feeders with his height. The improvement at the 4 has been huge, and that opens up the offense considerably.

GT Jahaad Proctor started the season hot but slumped in B1G play. He's been a much more effective dribble penetration player and finding his teammates on kickouts lately. He also said this, which suggests there might have been an external reason for his slump, not just the transition to the B1G level of competition. Whatever it was, it appears to have passed and he's got his head right.


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"We’re more than just basketball players. We have real life things going on, and that was having an impact on my play."


TrFr Isaiah Thompson is young and undersized, and the adjustment to the collegiate level took some time. But he seems like he's made the adjustment. He's a serviceable backup PG, he's found his shooting stroke, and while he's not going to be "the guy" this season, he's a guy you can't sleep on. 

Nojel, I think, came into the year with the mentality of "I have to show a jump shot to prove I'm NBA-ready". So he started pulling up for 16-18 footers, which every defense in the league will give him all day long. I think he mentally got back into the mindset that he should be an opportunistic scorer, looking for ORB and put-backs, slashing to the rim, etc. And he's been developing a bit of a post-up game that when Purdue is either playing small or Haarms has dragged a big out of the paint, he can dominate smaller guards. 

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I've seen people make the comparison between this team and the Michigan team from a few years ago under Beilein that started 14-9 and then just went on a tear. I think they played themselves from the bubble to about a 7 seed that year, and was the team in the Tourney that nobody wanted to face. We all knew this team had talent. We all know that Painter tends to make his teams better during the course of the year, and that this year was going to be hard to replace Carsen, Cline, and Eifert right after replacing 4 seniors the year prior, and integrating Micah Shrewsberry as an offensive assistant after Greg Gary left to be a HC. But it looks like this team is all coming together, and is going to be dangerous in every single game they play going forward.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1297 on: February 11, 2020, 12:59:45 PM »
If Purdue beats PSU tonight, and particularly if they continue to show some of the trends that have been coming in the last 4-5 games, I think they're still a tier 2 team.
The difference between tier-2 and tier-3 is razor thin.  The games it makes a difference for are home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4 but there is only one tier-1 team (UMD) and only one tier-4 team (M).  Worse, PU doesn't host Maryland so it is actually only one game, the road game at Michigan and Purdue lost that back on January 9.  

If we moved Purdue to tier-2 their projection would not change, they'd still be projected to finish 11-9.  However, their loss in Ann Arbor would become a negative upset for them and a positive upset for Michigan which would:
  • Move PU from -1 to -2 (+1, -3)
  • Move M from +1 to +2 (+3, -1).  


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1298 on: February 11, 2020, 01:52:53 PM »
The difference between tier-2 and tier-3 is razor thin.  The games it makes a difference for are home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4 but there is only one tier-1 team (UMD) and only one tier-4 team (M).  Worse, PU doesn't host Maryland so it is actually only one game, the road game at Michigan and Purdue lost that back on January 9. 

If we moved Purdue to tier-2 their projection would not change, they'd still be projected to finish 11-9.  However, their loss in Ann Arbor would become a negative upset for them and a positive upset for Michigan which would:
  • Move PU from -1 to -2 (+1, -3)
  • Move M from +1 to +2 (+3, -1). 
I get that. And their remaining schedule is:

  • Tier 2 - vPSU, @Wisconsin, projected win, then loss regardless of whether Purdue is tier 2 or 3.
  • Tier 3 - @OSU, vIU, @Iowa, vRU, projected loss, win, loss, win regardless of whether Purdue is tier 2 or 3.
  • Tier 4 - vUM, projected win regardless of whether Purdue is tier 2 or 3. 

And I recognize that backward-looking results are cleaner with Purdue in tier 3. 

But as they say in the stock market, past performance is not a guarantee of future results. 

If I were doing a "power poll" right now, Purdue IMHO is finally playing like a tier 2 team. We project 4-3 over the remainder of the season. I think there's a VERY good chance they go 5-2 or better. 

That doesn't impact the tier projections either way, I'm just pointing out that I think Purdue is "better" than a tier 3 team right now. 


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1299 on: February 11, 2020, 07:03:28 PM »
PSU off to an early start 7-14 from 3pt range in 14 minutes of play. That's 21 of 28 points for them.

Purdue, who shoots well at home? 0-6. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1300 on: February 11, 2020, 07:44:44 PM »
Maybe I should be glad MSU just kept it close against PSU.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1301 on: February 11, 2020, 07:48:36 PM »
Maybe I should be glad MSU just kept it close against PSU.
Wow, and PSU is without Myron Jones?  Their 2nd best player

 

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