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Topic: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #238 on: May 24, 2019, 01:30:23 AM »
The "perceptions" went back much farther.

Just like MSU football's academic issues didn't suddenly pop up at the end of Perles' tenure.

It was fairly common knowledge throughout Michigan media during the 80s that Michigan basketball players were getting paid, and MSU football players weren't going to class, but were "enhancing" themselves.
Perceptions also change. Today's NCAA culture is arguably more rife with players getting paid than it was in the Fab 5 era, and fewer big programs are being punished despite equal evidence (not to mention programs being far less cooperative now than Michigan was). Then we pair that with a general upswelling among fans that amateurism rules are the pinnacle of NCAA greed, not to mention illogical, unenforceable and unethical.

When we want to pay kids now, or ultimately do, it's natural to transition into shoulder shrugging about kids who accepted money in the past.

Of course that oversimplifies and perhaps it too quickly forgives rule-breaking. I accept that it's complicated.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #239 on: May 24, 2019, 07:57:35 AM »
I think the attitudes towards boosters paying players is the same.

Now athletes being allowed to profit off their own likeness through endorsements, sponsorships, etc..., I think there is far more change there

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #240 on: May 24, 2019, 08:16:11 AM »
Howard was raised right, went to a very good HS (honor student) and was very straight.


I don't think he was like the rest. I don't believe he took money.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #241 on: May 24, 2019, 08:19:45 AM »
IIRC he was the first NBA player to leave college early, but return and get his degree.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #242 on: May 24, 2019, 08:23:49 AM »
Yes. And he graduated on time too. Pretty good stuff.


Obviously, you can tell I followed him. He was one of my favorite players.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #243 on: May 24, 2019, 09:13:04 AM »
Leaving early for the NBA and still graduating on time would really take some doing. Lots of work in hotels on the road, I'm sure.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #244 on: May 24, 2019, 09:15:03 AM »
I think the attitudes towards boosters paying players is the same.

Now athletes being allowed to profit off their own likeness through endorsements, sponsorships, etc..., I think there is far more change there
If the NCAA permits players to collect their own market value (rather than pay them as salaried employees) then that's one form of likeness rights, and it would almost certainly include legalizing dollar handshakes.

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« Reply #245 on: May 24, 2019, 10:24:09 AM »
If the NCAA permits players to collect their own market value (rather than pay them as salaried employees) then that's one form of likeness rights, and it would almost certainly include legalizing dollar handshakes.
I always assumed there would still be some kind of restriction on that sort of thing.  That would be the final nail in the coffin of me following college football.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #246 on: May 24, 2019, 11:42:22 AM »

So so where does Yaklich fit into those parameters? He wasn’t an unknown. For all the praise Michigan fans had for him he didn’t sound like a low variance hire.
Anyone who's never been a HC should probably be called high variance. And by not knowing how that group will perform as HCs, technically unknown. There's a sliding scale here, of course. Some high variance picks are more appealing (better bets) than others. Juwan and Luke are lined up along the more appealing edge of that middle category.

I don’t disagree with the talking radio head btw, obnoxiousness and all, who let’s not miss is a Spartans homer. If you’re going to hire a guy who’s never coached, never recruited, never fundraised why not go ahead and hire Yaklich who at least knows the program and has recruited for the program. It’s no worse of a gamble than hiring Howard, IMO.

In the bigger picture College basketball coaching searches are going through a fad of experimenting with hiring flashy NBA names regardless of what they’ve proved, if anything, from the sideline. Ewing at GTown, Hardaway at Memphis, Stackhouse at Vandy, and now with Howard at Michigan, the surprise is that it’s Michigan succumbing to this fad. Michigan comes across too grounded and traditionally minded to get caught up in the latest fads.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #247 on: May 24, 2019, 12:02:18 PM »
perhaps it's not a fad

perhaps it's the next big thing
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #248 on: May 24, 2019, 01:05:36 PM »
I don’t disagree with the talking radio head btw, obnoxiousness and all, who let’s not miss is a Spartans homer. If you’re going to hire a guy who’s never coached, never recruited, never fundraised why not go ahead and hire Yaklich who at least knows the program and has recruited for the program. It’s no worse of a gamble than hiring Howard, IMO.

In the bigger picture College basketball coaching searches are going through a fad of experimenting with hiring flashy NBA names regardless of what they’ve proved, if anything, from the sideline. Ewing at GTown, Hardaway at Memphis, Stackhouse at Vandy, and now with Howard at Michigan, the surprise is that it’s Michigan succumbing to this fad. Michigan comes across too grounded and traditionally minded to get caught up in the latest fads.
He has six years of coaching. Six more than say Fred Hoiberg. He’s regarded as a good personality in a lot of settings, which tends to translate to recruiting and fundraising. There’s perfectly logical ground there.

And that said, it will most likely fail. Becuase most hires fail. Longtime assistants mostly fail. Guys who turn around mid-majors mostly fail. Guys who had great runs and great teams on lower levels.

It’s interesting because Michigan’s groundedness seems like an illusion. The recent success has kind of obscured. The last hire was pretty outside the box, and it worked. Before that:
successfulish Mid-major coach who learned from a legend for a decade: Big mess
Longtime assistant who was not good at all his last stop: Large mess
Assistant forced in becuase his boss quit and won a title: very good til it wasn’t
Longtime assistant: Mostly good, built  title team he didn’t coach
Unsuccessful UMass coach and short-term assistant: kinda good on balance, I think left before being fired?l

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #250 on: May 26, 2019, 09:44:02 AM »
https://madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/badgers-assistant-howard-moore-seriously-injured-wife-and-daughter-killed/article_7c6bcd13-4ab2-5ed3-887e-37cdf751c1b0.amp.html

Absolutely terrible. Story says some 23 year old girl was going the wrong way down the road and caused the accident. 

Such an unnecessary tragedy. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #251 on: May 26, 2019, 09:50:14 AM »
Sounds like neither MSU or Virginia would Crean their roster to make room for both, so Joey Hauser to MSU and Sam to Virginia, instead of both to Wisconsin, who was the only one with room for both.

 

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