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Lmao. What!? You OSU fans are silly. On no planet is Dabo Swiney remotely on the same level as Urban Meyer. Meyer is tied with Saban for 1. I happen to think he's better than Saban. Saban is great. But 99% of his roster is blue chip recruits. Literally. There's only 85 scholarships. Something like 78 of them are 5* or 4* recruits. And he's signed by far more 5*'s than anyone. I understand that's a big part of being a college coach, and Urban is a great recruiter as well- but damn man. Saban stacks the roster deck unlike any coach in this modern era of CFB. 

well, Dabo is 2-0 vs Urban including a woodshed beatdown last year.

I personally think Dabo is as good as anyone in the country other than Saban.

I would take Urban the recruiter vs anyone in the country, but I think it's safe to say you can question a team's coaching when it has 10 penalties, 2 turnovers, no clue on special teams. I think that's fair.

Penn St's OOC scheduling is going to kill them this year. No quality wins.

You say that like Penn State knew Pitt would suck this year.

It helps to have a big win on the schedule.  But MSU or Michigan could be that big win if one of them beats OSU

anyone else starting to question Urban's game management? Don't freak out ,I'm not saying the dude's not a good coach, he's probably tied for 2nd with Dabo behind Saban.

but, a lot of weird decisions. Kicking off to Barkley, then 8 more kickoffs where we don't know if we should pooch it, squib it etc. The last kickoff was possibly the worst, allowing Penn St to have the ball on the 41 yard line.

Going for it on 4th-and-8 vs trying a FG.

Declining a hold which allowed PSU to get a first down on 2-and-10.

only running Dobbins 4 times in the first half. (Ala Zeke and Hyde games where he abandons the run)

I also thought it was strange to call timeout when Hubbard had the amazing tackle on Mcsorely/Barkley. there were still 4 mins left at that point, with PSU facing 2nd and 17 or whatever. I would have thought holding those made more sense. you would have gotten the ball back with at least 2 1/2 mins and if you had a quick 3 and out it would have given you one more chance.

not sure what to think of his demeanor where he looks like he's going to vomit the entire first half. it plays well on TV, but I wonder if that's a good look for the team? guys might negatively feed off that.

I did think it was smart to move Arnette to cover the slot when Hamilton was there, even though he caught a TD. Although that's probably more of Schiano's decision.

and I did like both 2 point conversion tries, even though they didn't work.

I'm a Sunday morning arm chair coach, so of course I question everything...

1st Kick off, Meyer said and thought our Kick return issues had been corrected. Barkely proves they had not. so he made a change. Positive coaching points for Meyer.

The 2nd kick off coverage was great, but offsides: prior to the redue, I watched Barkley tell the linebacker he was going to block and directed him to go to the right, and son of a pumpkin they burned us again. He pulled our guys to the side and reminded them harshley to stay in their lanes. Positive coaching points for Meyer.

Last kick off was a great adjustment by PSU, we found that squib kick was keeping them inside the 30 (a win for our maligned team.) Their tight end moved over to stop the squib short and got lucky he was able to cover it. Great adjustment for PSU agasint something that had been working for the Bucks. Not Meyers fault.

OSU going for it on 4th and 8 at the 26; head scratcher. I would have taken the points. Could have been, fear of another special teams error; or a sentiment that we can't trade field goals against their touchdowns.
Of note here; PSU ensuing touchdown came of this turnover on downs meaning PSU's first 21 points came off special teams and turnovers... I would have coached differently.

Declining the the holding penalty made it 3rd and 12, instead of 2nd and 20. I agree with coach here, they get 1 shot to make a big play then punt and with our D playing so well I was argued for this move. (Both coach and I looked dumb since Mcsorely was able to convert.) I'll say good move coach, poor execution by OSU (or properly great execution by PSU.)

I believe the 4 minute time out was called because we were confused on D. We had three guys start to run on to the field, and I didn't see anyone start to move away, it was a big party in the back field and we still had to take care of business for 2 more plays. That time out came so quick it could have been a time saver, but I'm not sure. I'm also a fan of using 2 of the timeouts on D to save those 40 seconds, and only keeping 1 for offense since they have multiple ways to slow/stop the clock and D does not. Not sure if this was good or bad.

I think I looked/felt like Meyer did with all the mistakes we were making, I do prefer the more reserved look for a coach, but as long as he isn't making an @ss of himself on the sidelines I'm not too mad showing some emotion. Not a big negative in my book.

Your last 2 comments I can't really comment on 'cept I agreed with the 2 point attempts as well. Good aggressive moves by Meyer, poor execution.

well, Dabo is 2-0 vs Urban including a woodshed beatdown last year.

I personally think Dabo is as good as anyone in the country other than Saban.

I would take Urban the recruiter vs anyone in the country, but I think it's safe to say you can question a team's coaching when it has 10 penalties, 2 turnovers, no clue on special teams. I think that's fair.

I was gonna be all snarky, but after a reread realized there was more pumping of Dabo and maybe overblown complaints about Urby than purely pushing one over the other. That said, this is a good reminder of a useful adage: your problems are a big deal to you because they're YOUR'S. Other people's are not for the same reason. 

The complaints are highly small potatoes. I promise you, Clemson has bigger ones. Clemson has the No. 1 overall QB in last year's class on the bench and is starting a low-ceiling, injured dual-threat game manager who has a QB rating of 136. Clemson lost to a .500 team and got slowed down by a bad defense. Everyone's got problems 

Comparing the two is tricky. By accomplishment, Urby leads. By the moment, Dabo is the defending national champion. And by qualities it's tricky because they're different types.

Urbs
Pro
Offensive innovator (I know if you watch it enough, it feels stale, but CFB had seen it 10 years before the came to Columbus and his offenses have ranks 16, 2, 1, 14, 23, 3)
Hell for leather recruiter
Good eye for defensive coaches
Wins a damn lot
Cons
Offense can get too QB heavy
Some specials and game management concerns, I guess
Passing game rarely spectacular

Dabo
Pro
Great recruiter, maybe better than Urbs (He's recruited a top-10 talent team in a spot that far harder than OSU)
Good eye in two coordinator hires and solid eye in hiring caretakers when one left
Great sense of program management/PR
Took a program up a level, which is no easy feat.
Cons
Pure football bonafides only so-so. Has often been characterized as a cheerleader, which is harsh, but not without a grain of truth.
Tends to meddle with his O, though that went away with Morris and might be back now
Is only at this level because of a perhaps generational player, and will have to prove that wasn't just the cause
(Does not closely watch Clemson games to determine management, but considering he's not praised for it, I'll assume it's average football coach, which means fans are often not happy)

I didn't mean it like Pitt is awful, but when you schedule Pitt, Akron and Georgia St, even a casual football fan looks at that and can tell it's not a murderer's row. but Pitt last year was pretty decent, but the prior decade just "meh"

I might be alone on this, but I do think when you schedule big boy teams and they don't pan out, I'm more willing to give a pass on that. For instance, I don't downgrade Alabama playing FSU a ton. That's still a talented roster, and while FSU is below average this year, I give them more credit for that than say scheduling Wake Forest for example.

Wake forest is probably a better team, but if FSU finishes 2-10 and Wake 8-4, I'm not penalizing Alabama a ton for a weak OOC schedule, they tried, it didn't work out. I would penalize Washington however for having a schedule who's toughest OOC might be Rutgers, that's ridiculous and should be punished. Who cares if you go 3-0 vs nobody, it means very little. For example if Notre Dame finishes 11-1 because it lost to Georgia and I know Washington has a loss now, but if hypothetically Washington was 12-0 I'd put ND in over Washington for losing a tough game vs playing patsies, assuming the other measurables are similar

 Even as the defense began to recognize the tactic, blowing up a few quick screens,

from your story, except it should say blowing up all 7 quick screen passes. and I don't know how a defense wouldn't recognize it, we do it every game.

I get how you say we need these to spread the ball out, but I don't understand why we have to sacrifice 5-10 plays per game. there has to be a better way to spread the field than by using a pass play that averages a net loss against good competition. a screen to a RB maybe?