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Topic: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game

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TresselownsUM

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #126 on: October 31, 2017, 09:15:04 AM »
Why do you think Dobbins has 12 yards a carry?  

he's a freak athlete?

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2017, 01:07:53 PM »
Let's not forget when schedules are made - 5-10 years in advance.  Anyone remember what PSU's situation was when the Pitt series was put under contract?  PSU had a chance to just barely be crawling out from under the rock right now, and this non-con schedule directly reflects that.  

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #128 on: October 31, 2017, 01:20:40 PM »
Let's not forget when schedules are made - 5-10 years in advance.  Anyone remember what PSU's situation was when the Pitt series was put under contract?  PSU had a chance to just barely be crawling out from under the rock right now, and this non-con schedule directly reflects that.  
I'm not really judging them for it, but at the end of the day OOC schedules have to be compared for what they are.  BTW, I think everyone is giving the SEC a pass.  They only play 8 conference games and often include a layup - Alabama plays Mercer and Georgia played Samford. 

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #129 on: October 31, 2017, 01:34:57 PM »
Let's not forget when schedules are made - 5-10 years in advance.  Anyone remember what PSU's situation was when the Pitt series was put under contract?  PSU had a chance to just barely be crawling out from under the rock right now, and this non-con schedule directly reflects that.  
I get that and other teams, including Ohio State have had similar problems in the past.  Example, in 2007 Ohio State's schedule started out with:
  • Youngstown State
  • Akron
  • Washington
  • Northwestern
It was a running joke that the schedule started out with a big "YAWN".  The problem was that Washington sucked.  That wasn't Ohio State's fault.  Washington had been a PAC contender for most of the 90's, won an NC in 1991, and as late as 2000 they were a very serious NC contender as the only team to beat Miami that year.  That was what Ohio State expected when they scheduled Washington.  Instead, by the time the game happened, Washington had gone four straight years without finishing above .500 and went 4-9 that year.  

It happens.  I'm not criticizing Penn State, I just don't grade SoS on a curve.  If Ohio State schedules Alabama next year and then Alabama ends up a 4-8 trainwreck I'll judge Ohio State's SoS on the basis of playing a crappy 4-8 team, not on the basis of Ohio State's effort to schedule a really tough game.  

To me, SoS is about reality not effort or expectations.  Next year Penn State has ApSt, Pitt, and Kent.  That sounds like a soft OOC but if Appalachian State wins the Sun Belt, Pitt wins the ACC, and Kent wins the MAC then I'll credit PSU with playing a pretty tough OOC.  To me it is about actuality not expectations.  

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« Reply #130 on: October 31, 2017, 02:25:05 PM »
To me, SoS is about reality not effort or expectations.  Next year Penn State has ApSt, Pitt, and Kent.  That sounds like a soft OOC but if Appalachian State wins the Sun Belt, Pitt wins the ACC, and Kent wins the MAC then I'll credit PSU with playing a pretty tough OOC.  To me it is about actuality not expectations

if Pitt wins the ACC, I would agree, but Appy St and Kent St are layups, even if they win their conference, that is an absolute layup for anyone wanting to get into the playoffs.

I understand the scheduling softer while you are down, it's just unfortunate you came out of it while you were really good.

If I were on the committee though, I'm giving more credence to someone that would schedule Alabama, Wake Forest, and Navy, even if they all finish below .500. I would say to myself "that AD and coach/program whatever did everything in their power to schedule tough." Now if that team were compared to another team that had highly ranked wins I'd say they lose out, that's luck of the draw. But if they are compared to someone that played Pitt, App St and Kent and those 3 programs were middling like they are this year, well, I'm voting for the team that scheduled Alabama but was unlucky they stunk the year they got them.

That's the beauty and curse of the committee I guess, we all value different things, perceived or not.

I also agree the SEC scheduling for the most part is a Joke, however, this year I can't complain with their title contenders Bama playing FSU and Georgia playing ND. They scheduled up.

The 8 conference games vs 9 is an issue, but your not going to find many SEC fans thinking 9 conference games is a big deal, especially this year when Wisconsin might play an entire 9 game conference slate against 0 ranked opponents. Michigan more than likely won't be ranked at the end of the year, if they lose to Wiscy anyways.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #131 on: October 31, 2017, 02:50:55 PM »
I'm not nearly as big a fan of the 9-game slate as most on here and for that exact reason:
Ohio State's three non-divisional opponents are Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois.  If the "extra" game is Iowa then it is pretty good and better than two of tOSU's three OOC's but if the "extra" game is Illinois then Ohio State probably would have had a tougher schedule with four OOC games.  

Wisconsin's three non-divisional opponents are Maryland, Indiana, and Michigan.  Frankly, Wisconsin's OOC was so bad that all of them are probably better than any of UW's OOC opponents but all appear likely to finish unranked and if the "extra" game is either Maryland or Indiana then it wouldn't have been difficult at all for Wisconsin to schedule a better OOC opponent.  

At this juncture most P5 teams are scheduling one and only one "marquee" OOC opponent.  The problem with that, of course, is that it puts all of your OOC SoS points in one basket.  If that one team tanks you are left with nothing.  This is what happened to Wisconsin and Bama.  The last six years BYU went 8-5 or better every year.  This year they are 2-7.  Thus UW's OOC is terrible.  Bama's isn't much better.  FSU was supposed to be a potential playoff-preview but then the Seminoles tanked and Bama's OOC is soft.  
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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #132 on: October 31, 2017, 07:44:57 PM »
Even as the defense began to recognize the tactic, blowing up a few quick screens,

from your story, except it should say blowing up all 7 quick screen passes. and I don't know how a defense wouldn't recognize it, we do it every game.

I get how you say we need these to spread the ball out, but I don't understand why we have to sacrifice 5-10 plays per game. there has to be a better way to spread the field than by using a pass play that averages a net loss against good competition. a screen to a RB maybe?
The screens in those videos were not blown up at all.  Big gains. 
Again, it is an extension of the run game. You could just actually run the ball ...and a number of those would get blown up as well.  But there would be no additional benefit.
The comeback could never have happened without those plays having to be accounted for, and being in the defenses head.  
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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #133 on: November 02, 2017, 01:15:56 PM »

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #134 on: November 02, 2017, 01:42:17 PM »
Well designed screen pass to the wide side of the field?

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2017, 02:24:46 PM »
Well designed screen pass to the wide side of the field?
Nope. That's the "Game over McSorely, your 4th and 15 prayer will fall hopelessly incomplete" play.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2017, 02:36:36 PM »
/sarcasm

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2017, 03:12:35 PM »

" Meyer wants a picture of the Penn State's final play framed to hang in his office (via BTBuckeye):"

 

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