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Topic: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #98 on: October 29, 2017, 11:57:24 AM »
OSU fans did nothing but crap on JT Barrett this whole year.  Now he's good again, after one game.  C'mon guys.  

What I said a month ago still holds true, looking at the stats, the case for Barrett being the best QB in B10 history is a very easy one.  True today, true 2 days ago.
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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2017, 12:22:02 PM »
This did have the feel of poetic justice from last year:
'16 OSU takes a 1st half lead on Special teams / '17 PSU takes 1st half lead off special teams.
'16 PSU comes back off 2 great special tems plays / '17 OSU starts come back off blocked punt.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #100 on: October 29, 2017, 12:24:05 PM »
OSU fans did nothing but crap on JT Barrett this whole year.  Now he's good again, after one game.  C'mon guys.  

What I said a month ago still holds true, looking at the stats, the case for Barrett being the best QB in B10 history is a very easy one.  True today, true 2 days ago.
JT is great, and I never got the OSU fan base ragging on him, but stats don't tell the entire story. 


I don't think he was better than Brees. Or Kerry Collins. Or Jeff George. Or Troy Smith. Pretty close to most of those guys, but not better. 

And call me a homer all you want but the Drew Henson I saw start those 8-9 games as a Jr was the best I've ever seen a B1G QB. His best was better than anyone in the conference I've ever seen play QB. That guy literally had it all. You want to talk about the next Elway? Forget Andrew Luck. It was Drew Henson. He would've been the #1 pick in the NFL draft had his headcase of a father hadn't pressured him to quit football and sign a huge contract with the Yankees. He was a great baseball prospect obviously. He was an otherworldly NFL QB prospect though. 6'4, 230 ran a legit 4.6- that boy could really run and he just had ridiculous arm strength but he knew how to use it. Threw that ball with great natural touch and accuracy but also just had that cannon and could use it when appropriate. He wasn't one of those big armed QBs who threw everything 100mph. 

JT is great but I think it's silly to call him easily the best QB in B1G history. 

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« Reply #101 on: October 29, 2017, 12:39:46 PM »
I didn't call him easily the best QB in B1G history, I said the statistical case was easy.  

He just passed Brees in some stat.  Plus the rushing numbers.  Stats don't tell us everything, but they happened on the field.  Plus part of the whole point is that the B1G hasn't had very impressive QBs in its history, statistically speaking.
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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #102 on: October 30, 2017, 08:15:18 AM »
3. Bingo Sam. The game winning TD happened because the LB and DB over there had to respect it..they both took their first step over that way which allowed Baugh to slip behind them.
It cracks me up that the offense is popping 500 yards a game, and that is a part of why.
It clearly creates space around the box for the backs, and eventually leads to vertical opportunities- yet we stil, question it.  It created the wide open Dixon play that almost went for a TD- one one of the few passes JT under threw.


I question it, because it almost cost us the game, and it clearly contributed to us being down 21-3 and 28-10. I don't argue that it sets up other plays, but it ruined at least 2 series in the first half because it put us at 2-and-15 or so which we couldn't overcome. you can run that against the Maryland's of the world, but against top 10 competition it's dumb, to run that much.

meanwhile you got JK Dobbins averaging 12.5 yards a carry in the first half and he gets 4 touches.

the first 3-4 series it was OU all over again, ultra conservative, no imagination and it put us in an 18 point hole that we almost didn't overcome.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #103 on: October 30, 2017, 08:16:13 AM »
Barkley had nothing to work with in the second half.  The PSU o-line couldn't even slow down the D-line long enough for Barkley to receive the handoff and decide where to run.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #104 on: October 30, 2017, 08:30:25 AM »
I've always liked JT, when he hasn't played well I think it's been more a combination of poor play calling and lack of experience around him in the O-line and WRs.

he's not the most physically gifted in terms of arm strength, he's a good runner but he's not blazing fast etc.

but the dude might go down as one of the best leaders in conference history, definitely a gamer. it's gotta take a guy with a lot of confidence and big stones to take all the crap he's received and come out and just shove it up everyone's arse.

best qb's in conference history?
in no particular order Brees, R Wilson (albeit 1 season), K Collins, Griese, I think JT is getting very close to Troy though, with or without the Heisman trophy. Troy was good his Soph and Jr seasons, but not great. Then he had the monster senior year.

JT was great his freshman year, good but not great his Soph/JR years and looking great again this year. 31 TDS (25 passing) and 1 pick. 270 yds passing/game this year. that's nuts.

I didn't see Chuck Long play, but what about antwan randle el, that guy was a beast and made a bad team decent.  

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2017, 09:24:06 AM »
anyone else starting to question Urban's game management? Don't freak out ,I'm not saying the dude's not a good coach, he's probably tied for 2nd with Dabo behind Saban.

but, a lot of weird decisions. Kicking off to Barkley, then 8 more kickoffs where we don't know if we should pooch it, squib it etc. The last kickoff was possibly the worst, allowing Penn St to have the ball on the 41 yard line.

Going for it on 4th-and-8 vs trying a FG.

Declining a hold which allowed PSU to get a first down on 2-and-10.

only running Dobbins 4 times in the first half. (Ala Zeke and Hyde games where he abandons the run)

I also thought it was strange to call timeout when hubbard had the amazing tackle on mcsorely/barkley. there were still 4 mins left at that point, with PSU facing 2nd and 17 or whatever. I would have thought holding those made more sense. you would have gotten the ball back with at least 2 1/2 mins and if you had a quick 3 and out it would have given you one more chance.

not sure what to think of his demeanor where he looks like he's going to vomit the entire first half. it plays well on TV, but I wonder if that's a good look for the team? guys might negatively feed off that.

I did think it was smart to move Arnette to cover the slot when Hamilton was there, even though he caught a TD. Although that's probably more of Schiano's decision.

and I did like both 2 point conversion tries, even though they didn't work.


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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #106 on: October 30, 2017, 09:31:04 AM »
The 2 pt tries were the smart move, but some of his decisions were head scratchers.

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2017, 09:40:32 AM »
I thought the 4th 8 try was a little weird.  Though I imagine he was tired of his special teams.  I'm not sure why Dobbins missed some series.  Other than that, I thought he was great.  When there are no good options you can't criticize someone for taking the least bad option.  You can't simultaneously criticize him for kicking to Barkley and not kicking to Barkley.  

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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2017, 10:38:55 AM »
anyone else starting to question Urban's game management? Don't freak out ,I'm not saying the dude's not a good coach, he's probably tied for 2nd with Dabo behind Saban.
Lmao. What!? You OSU fans are silly. On no planet is Dabo Swiney remotely on the same level as Urban Meyer. Meyer is tied with Saban for 1. I happen to think he's better than Saban. Saban is great. But 99% of his roster is blue chip recruits. Literally. There's only 85 scholarships. Something like 78 of them are 5* or 4* recruits. And he's signed by far more 5*'s than anyone. I understand that's a big part of being a college coach, and Urban is a great recruiter as well- but damn man. Saban stacks the roster deck unlike any coach in this modern era of CFB. 

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) at #6 Ohio State (4-0, 6-1) Game Week
« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2017, 10:49:11 AM »
best qb's in conference history?
in no particular order Brees, R Wilson (albeit 1 season), K Collins, Griese, I think JT is getting very close to Troy though, with or without the Heisman trophy. Troy was good his Soph and Jr seasons, but not great. Then he had the monster senior year.
Best I ever saw - cannon arm with touch and accuracy, great deep ball, elite size and strength and athletic ability for the position. Just had it all. 

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #110 on: October 30, 2017, 11:19:49 AM »

And call me a homer all you want but the Drew Henson I saw start those 8-9 games as a Jr was the best I've ever seen a B1G QB. His best was better than anyone in the conference I've ever seen play QB. That guy literally had it all. You want to talk about the next Elway? Forget Andrew Luck. It was Drew Henson. He would've been the #1 pick in the NFL draft had his headcase of a father hadn't pressured him to quit football and sign a huge contract with the Yankees. He was a great baseball prospect obviously. He was an otherworldly NFL QB prospect though. 6'4, 230 ran a legit 4.6- that boy could really run and he just had ridiculous arm strength but he knew how to use it. Threw that ball with great natural touch and accuracy but also just had that cannon and could use it when appropriate. He wasn't one of those big armed QBs who threw everything 100mph.

If we get to talk small samples, Russell Wilson would like a word. 

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Re: #2 Penn State (4-1, 7-1) at #6 Ohio State (5-0, 7-1) Post Game
« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2017, 11:25:26 AM »
anyone else starting to question Urban's game management? Don't freak out ,I'm not saying the dude's not a good coach, he's probably tied for 2nd with Dabo behind Saban.

but, a lot of weird decisions. Kicking off to Barkley, then 8 more kickoffs where we don't know if we should pooch it, squib it etc. The last kickoff was possibly the worst, allowing Penn St to have the ball on the 41 yard line.

Going for it on 4th-and-8 vs trying a FG.

Declining a hold which allowed PSU to get a first down on 2-and-10.

only running Dobbins 4 times in the first half. (Ala Zeke and Hyde games where he abandons the run)

I also thought it was strange to call timeout when hubbard had the amazing tackle on mcsorely/barkley. there were still 4 mins left at that point, with PSU facing 2nd and 17 or whatever. I would have thought holding those made more sense. you would have gotten the ball back with at least 2 1/2 mins and if you had a quick 3 and out it would have given you one more chance.

not sure what to think of his demeanor where he looks like he's going to vomit the entire first half. it plays well on TV, but I wonder if that's a good look for the team? guys might negatively feed off that.

I did think it was smart to move Arnette to cover the slot when Hamilton was there, even though he caught a TD. Although that's probably more of Schiano's decision.

and I did like both 2 point conversion tries, even though they didn't work.


While I'm not particularly doing it, people have been for years. There are about 3 coaches who don't get questioned, and even they sometimes do, because people wonder if Paul Johnson going fullback dive on 4th and 1 from his 35 is fine.
If you were closely watching most other teams, you'd see those same small ticks, because when things don't work (or don't work all the time) there's always questions. 

 

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