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Topic: #16 Michigan (3-2, 5-2) at #7 Penn State (4-0, 7-0) Post Game

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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2019, 11:19:23 AM »
MGoBlog has some pretty cool stuff about this game.

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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2019, 01:35:19 PM »
Why would you assume that Penn State doesn't have 3 legit draft picks at wide receiver?  KJ Hamler will certainly be drafted this year, but the rest of Penn State's starters are underclassman.

IMO, your best wide receiver is Bell.  The other guys have a lot of hype, but the numbers aren't there.  I don't put that blame fully on Patterson or the coaches.  Those other wide receivers need to step up as well.

With that said, Urban Meyer says a new offensive system should take 5-6 weeks before it is fully implemented.  If that's the case, there may be great improvement in the Michigan offense.  If that happens, maybe we will finally see :-*"the B1G's best receivers":88: instead of empty fanfare.
Tarik is the best all-around receiver on that team. DPJ is the most talented. Nico is the biggest and the best at playing the ball in the air.

FYI- Urban also said that all 3 of Tarik, DPJ, and Nico are legitimate high NFL draft choices- and that DPJ is a top 10 pick in his mind. Urban said he thinks DPJ is so good he drove to Detroit from Columbus in a blizzard to try and prevent him from picking Michigan. I think Urban knows a thing or two about offense.

The problem with these guys has been injuries/bad coaching/bad QB play. Has nothing to do with their athleitc abilities or talent. Tarik missed his first two seasons with injuries, he's just coming back this year- and DPJ missed the first 4 games of this season with injuries. Nico has been the most consistent of the three this year but he's now dealing with an injury.

Ronnie Bell is a nice complimentary player- but he's not even in the same universe as those other guys.

Only an offensively challenged mediocre offensive coaching shithead like Harbaugh could take 3 WR's this talented and get next to nothing out of them. It's astounding. Harbaugh's offenses at Stanford and with the 49ers were never anything special. Always middle of the pack. His teams were run heavy and defensively dominant. For all the bullshit about being a "QB whisperer" and "devleoping Andrew Luck!" and being a "15 year NFL QB vet" - the dude has never once had any kind of innovative or exciting offense in his entire coaching career. He's never had an explosive, exciting passing game. He's always been run the ball down the other teams throat and play defense. Even Kapernick was a gimmicky run first QB whose passing was predicated on the run. He was a shit awful pocket passer- probably one of the reasons why he doesn't have a job playing QB in the NFL right now.

Jim has got to stay the F away from the offense or get the f outta Ann Arbor.


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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2019, 01:48:53 PM »
Micah Parsons (LB) and Jason Oweh (DL) each run sub 4.4's. 
Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.

Jayson Oweh ran 4.63 at The Nike Opening. Parsons ran 4.66. Blazing times for a 250 pound DE and 240 pound LB in HS. Electronically timed. Same way they do at the NFL combine. Definitely nothing to sneeze at. Elite times for their positions. Why Franklin feels the need to leak bullshit 40 times out there- beats the hell out of me.

I just don't see the need for college coaches to manufacture bullshit times. Always funny to see the guys run at the combine and compare their actual 40 times to the bs ones the schools leak out.

Dax Hill by the way- ran an actual 4.30 laser timed at The Nike Opening. Fastest time at the entire event last year. If he's using Franklin's stop watch he's gotta be at 4.0 in the 40. Damn that's fast.
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2019, 03:10:25 PM »
I wasn't sure what to think about this game, but after thinking about it more, this game can go a few different ways....

Both teams have strong run defenses and mediocre run games, so I think they'll cancel each other out. That said, if either team can run the ball, that drastically increases their chances of winning.

Consequently, the passing games will be big for both teams. Penn State has had a more consistent and successful in that regard, but I think Michigan has also had the better pass defense so far, though part of that is the level of QBs they've faced to date. Conversely, I do think Michigan's pass offense has greater potential and Penn State's secondary has looked vulnerable despite also not playing very good QBs to date.

Of course, turnovers may very well decide the outcome.... The one other thing is Michigan's kickers haven't been as reliable of late, which has been frustrating but inconsequential to date.

Fortunately the weather looks great, so that won't be an issue, though.
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2019, 03:17:10 PM »
I wasn't sure what to think about this game, but after thinking about it more, this game can go a few different ways....
there isn't much to think about. Penn State is going to kick Michigan's butt. Probably by 10-14 points. 

Michigan probably only scores 13-14. I'll say....

Penn State: 24
Michigan- 13

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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2019, 03:48:54 PM »
First team to 17 wins.

PSU 17
UM  13
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2019, 03:55:41 PM »
First team to 17 wins.

PSU 17
UM  13
they'll get an extra 7 because of the crowd/environment and a Shea Patterson turnover special. I'm sticking with my 24-13 special. Michigan will get a couple FG's and then a late garbage time TD.

In all seriousness, how does this kid suck this bad? He was the #4 player in the nation in high school in his class according to the 247Composite ranking. Shea won the Elite 11 camp MVP AND he won the Army HS All-American Bowl MVP. Think he might be the only QB to pull that feat off since those 'crootin' events have been in existence.

Shea was pretty good as a true frosh for Ole Miss- very up and down thru 7 games before getting injured as a true soph. Transfers to Michigan has an above average first year at Michigan. Really thought he would grow and catapult into a big senior year. LOL. Nope. Harbaugh special- kid regresses and has looked like complete shit. He sucks at football right now. And he never sucked before. Maybe wasn't great or elite- but he definitely flashed at times and he was definitely above average. And he sucks now. Flat out sucks. He's gotten worse somehow. He showed great promise in 3 starts as a true frosh, little up and down before getting injured as a soph, had a pretty good JR year- and as a senior he....sucks.

It really is mind-boggling. Until you remember who his head coach is and look at said head coaches track record with QB's at Michigan.

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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2019, 04:09:22 PM »
I was thinking PSU gets up 17-7, and then UM scores a late TD to make it 17-13. Harbaugh goes for 2 points, to get within 2, so a FG wins it. But they don't get the 2, due to a busted play (result of having no timeouts).
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2019, 04:13:45 PM »


***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK***
#16 Michigan Wolverines (3-1, 5-1) at #7 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-0, 6-0)
7:30 - State College, PA - ABC
I'm not sure how a bunch of people putting on white tee shirts is so intimidating, but for whatever reason, it is.  Penn State has the prime time white out, with Gameday in town, in a game where the winner is squarely in the Big Ten championship race, and the loser has people questioning whether they have the correct coach to get them to Ohio State's level.  Michigan's offense has been the one getting all of the questions, because they have the supposed all-everything transfer quarterback, and spent the whole offseason selling the coaching upgrades of speed and space.  I think it's fair to question Penn State's offense though.  Yes, they put up some gawdy numbers against the likes of Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland and Purdue; but against the two defenses they've played with a pulse, being Pitt and Iowa, they scored 17 in each.  Problem is that 17 on the road, in Kinnick, is more than Michigan scored against Iowa at home.  The challenge for Michigan is going to be blocking Penn State's front, a front that has been in the backfield all season, and leads the nation in rushing ypa defense.  This is for a Wolverines offensive line that went from a supposed strength into struggling to figure out the new scheme.  Patterson seems to be the best getting out of the pocket, and getting the ball out quickly.  So maybe out of necessity, Gattis will actually scheme to Patterson's strength.  Granted Michigan's defense seems to be hitting its stride, after getting blasted by Wisconsin, with the emergence of a couple of freshmen in Cam McGrone and Dax Hill.  The Nittany Lions abused Michigan's defense in this game two years ago by creating mismatches for Saquon Barkley.  Obviously nobody on the Nittany Lions roster is going to be Barkley, but even in terms of skill set, I don't see a lesser version of him.  Ricky Slade is the leading reciever among the running back group, and among the split backfield, he has been easily the least effective.  So if he's in the game, it's probably not to run the ball.  Penn State will try to get the ball into KJ Hamler's hands in the middle and simply let him make plays, which he does.  They need to try and force the ball more to tight end Pat Friermuth, who exploded against Buffalo, but has not been targeted nearly enough since.  I don't envision a repeat of 2017, when Nittany Lions players were running free all over the field, but I think this Penn State defense is better than that one, particularly up front.  They generated a ton of pressure last week, and against a worse offensive line in Michigan, if they are able to consistently get to Patterson with 4, which I think they will, eventually too much good field position starts to snowball.
PENN STATE 31, MICHIGAN 17


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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2019, 05:11:54 PM »
Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.

Jayson Oweh ran 4.63 at The Nike Opening. Parsons ran 4.66. Blazing times for a 250 pound DE and 240 pound LB in HS. Electronically timed. Same way they do at the NFL combine. Definitely nothing to sneeze at. Elite times for their positions. Why Franklin feels the need to leak bullshit 40 times out there- beats the hell out of me.

I just don't see the need for college coaches to manufacture bullshit times. Always funny to see the guys run at the combine and compare their actual 40 times to the bs ones the schools leak out.

Dax Hill by the way- ran an actual 4.30 laser timed at The Nike Opening. Fastest time at the entire event last year. If he's using Franklin's stop watch he's gotta be at 4.0 in the 40. Damn that's fast.
Penn State's 40 times are legit.  When Penn State guys go pro, their college 40s mirror the NFL draft numbers.

Penn State's guys do get faster as a result of the strength and conditioning program.  In fact, PSU guys have been crazy impressive in the combine for a few years now.

Was it you that doubted Saquon's 40 time in 2016?  I can't remember.

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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2019, 05:14:09 PM »

***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK***
#16 Michigan Wolverines (3-1, 5-1) at #7 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-0, 6-0)
7:30 - State College, PA - ABC
I'm not sure how a bunch of people putting on white tee shirts is so intimidating, but for whatever reason, it is.  Penn State has the prime time white out, with Gameday in town, in a game where the winner is squarely in the Big Ten championship race, and the loser has people questioning whether they have the correct coach to get them to Ohio State's level.  Michigan's offense has been the one getting all of the questions, because they have the supposed all-everything transfer quarterback, and spent the whole offseason selling the coaching upgrades of speed and space.  I think it's fair to question Penn State's offense though.  Yes, they put up some gawdy numbers against the likes of Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland and Purdue; but against the two defenses they've played with a pulse, being Pitt and Iowa, they scored 17 in each.  Problem is that 17 on the road, in Kinnick, is more than Michigan scored against Iowa at home.  The challenge for Michigan is going to be blocking Penn State's front, a front that has been in the backfield all season, and leads the nation in rushing ypa defense.  This is for a Wolverines offensive line that went from a supposed strength into struggling to figure out the new scheme.  Patterson seems to be the best getting out of the pocket, and getting the ball out quickly.  So maybe out of necessity, Gattis will actually scheme to Patterson's strength.  Granted Michigan's defense seems to be hitting its stride, after getting blasted by Wisconsin, with the emergence of a couple of freshmen in Cam McGrone and Dax Hill.  The Nittany Lions abused Michigan's defense in this game two years ago by creating mismatches for Saquon Barkley.  Obviously nobody on the Nittany Lions roster is going to be Barkley, but even in terms of skill set, I don't see a lesser version of him.  Ricky Slade is the leading reciever among the running back group, and among the split backfield, he has been easily the least effective.  So if he's in the game, it's probably not to run the ball.  Penn State will try to get the ball into KJ Hamler's hands in the middle and simply let him make plays, which he does.  They need to try and force the ball more to tight end Pat Friermuth, who exploded against Buffalo, but has not been targeted nearly enough since.  I don't envision a repeat of 2017, when Nittany Lions players were running free all over the field, but I think this Penn State defense is better than that one, particularly up front.  They generated a ton of pressure last week, and against a worse offensive line in Michigan, if they are able to consistently get to Patterson with 4, which I think they will, eventually too much good field position starts to snowball.
PENN STATE 31, MICHIGAN 17


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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2019, 05:30:48 PM »
Tarik is the best all-around receiver on that team. DPJ is the most talented. Nico is the biggest and the best at playing the ball in the air.

FYI- Urban also said that all 3 of Tarik, DPJ, and Nico are legitimate high NFL draft choices- and that DPJ is a top 10 pick in his mind. Urban said he thinks DPJ is so good he drove to Detroit from Columbus in a blizzard to try and prevent him from picking Michigan. I think Urban knows a thing or two about offense.
DPJ is talented but URBZ always says things for effect.Would have been a great used car salesman back in the day.I'd like to here DPJs version of that - doubt it was a blizzard,but he likes effect.And he's pimping DPJ so he isn't going to correct him.Any way right now I'd take Collins,he reminds me of Devin Smith - always came down with the ball.Got this game circled and Cindy try to convince me to go to a murder mystery with group participation.She keeps it up there will be a beating and it won't be a mystery

PSU scores 31 it'll put M away
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2019, 05:34:20 PM »
Shea was pretty good as a true frosh for Ole Miss- very up and down thru 7 games before getting injured as a true soph. Transfers to Michigan has an above average first year at Michigan. Really thought he would grow and catapult into a big senior year.
Good take and your right,tomorrow is the time to get it together
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Re: #16 Michigan (5-1, 3-1) at #7 Penn State (6-0, 3-0) Game Week
« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2019, 05:38:41 PM »
Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.
:D  Yup same one they used on Bush and Peppers 
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