TTUN has to win one of these big games at some point right?You’d think they have to win a big road game or get a big win as an underdog. Ain’t happening. Michigan is about to get drilled. It will not be pretty. There’s NO WAY that Michigan wins this. Zero chance.
Other than some major Karma swinging back UofM's way, this game looks like a big win for the Lions.
It will not be pretty. There’s NO WAY that Michigan wins this. Zero chance.ISWYDT!If Shea and DPJ show up it's anyone's guess but they have to get it together now for 2019 to be respectable
What happened to Collins?
Personally, I am worried about how many wide open receivers Iowa had. I don't know much about the Michigan team, but I'm afraid that they will get a lot of yards passing.Lulz. Have you seen Shea Patterson play QB this season? Don’t know how it’s happened, but yet another QB has regressed under Jim the “QB whisperer”.
Ummm… WUT?pretty sure Jim has Asperger's and CTE. Dude is from outer space. And I'd bet my left nut the guy is on meds. He's like a spaced out weirdo now. He's a walking Zoloft commercial.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/football/2019/10/14/20914334/shea-patterson-michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-press-conference
and yet the kids keep lining up to play for himI think it's more like they line up to put the helmet on.
I think it's more like they line up to put the helmet on.Yep. The winged helmet still speaks loudly.
As you know, that starts to fade over time.
I think it's more like they line up to put the helmet on.Stomping all over FF,you'll get your chance smart guy
As you know, that starts to fade over time.
Michigan has 17 fumbles by 12 different players?it's been god damn ridiculous how much they've put the ball on the ground.
I think it's more like they line up to put the helmet on.it's a little bit of both.
As you know, that starts to fade over time.
Michigan Safety Josh Metellus seeks revenge against Penn State for the 2017 42-13 drubbing in Beaver.Meh! the whole PSU progam is looking at last year and is at home
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2019/10/15/michigan-wolverines-josh-metellus-still-seeking-revenge-against-penn-state-2017-game/3993350002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2019/10/15/michigan-wolverines-josh-metellus-still-seeking-revenge-against-penn-state-2017-game/3993350002/)
Some very quick thoughts on this:Like the Hawkeye game last week
Should be a defensive game that will hinge on turnovers.
Meh! the whole PSU progam is looking at last year and is at homeSo, the revenge tour is still on? I thought that bus ran out of gas last November.
Michigan's offense is by and large the same athletes that shellacked Penn State last year with the biggest difference being a new OC and scheme. Michigan's defense has had to work through some injuries, primarily on the DL, and is playing better now. Can Michigan win in a white outed Beaver Saturday night given the problems discussed elsewhere? I think they can but I'm a homer.To be fair, Penn State's defense is better than it was last year. Almost everyone returns, plus they got a few guys back that were injured in the UM game. Overall the secondary is quite a bit stronger, the linebackers are MUCH stronger, and the DLine is also better.
Go Blue!
I've seen a lot of Michigan folks talking about how they have more talented athletes than Penn State. I disagree with this. Michigan is a more veteran team, but I'm very confident that Penn State has a more athletic team. However, coaching and experience trumps raw athleticism, IMO. Penn State is the 2nd youngest team in the B1G after Purdue, and is certainly vulnerable to trickeration or blown assignments. Also, they play an attacking style defense that is high risk, high reward. In a tight game like this, one or two big plays will make the difference. Penn State is certainly vulnerable to the big play, and the Michigan offense will have to capitalize on that. Gattis runs the Moorhead offense, which relies on the big play. If everything clicks, Michigan could certainly win comfortably, but it won't be because their athletes are heads and shoulders above Penn State's.Disagree. I do not see the athletes at WR on Penn State's team that Michigan has. DPJ is the best athlete on just about any field he's on. He's just as fast if not faster than KJ Hamler- and he's 5 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Might not be as shifty- but in a straight-line- he's just as fast if faster. Ronnie Bell in the slot can really run. Tarik and Nico are the twin towers- both big, athletic, rangy receivers. Neither team has elite explosive RB's.
Michigan's offense is by and large the same athletes that shellacked Penn State last year with the biggest difference being a new OC and scheme. Michigan's defense has had to work through some injuries, primarily on the DL, and is playing better now. Can Michigan win in a white outed Beaver Saturday night given the problems discussed elsewhere? I think they can but I'm a homer.
Go Blue!
Disagree. I do not see the athletes at WR on Penn State's team that Michigan has. DPJ is the best athlete on just about any field he's on. He's just as fast if not faster than KJ Hamler- and he's 5 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Might not be as shifty- but in a straight-line- he's just as fast if faster. Ronnie Bell in the slot can really run. Tarik and Nico are the twin towers- both big, athletic, rangy receivers. Neither team has elite explosive RB's.KJ Hamler is the 3rd fastest wide receiver on the PSU team. However, he is super quick and shifty.
Michigan's best athletes and assets on offense- it's WR's - are being severely held back by terrible offensive coaching and terrible QB play. The play-calling and coaching has been atrocious, and Shea Patterson has been terrible. They have 3 legitimate NFL draft picks at WR- something Penn State doesn't have- and a fourth WR that's very athletic in Ronnie Bell - and they can't get these guys the football. It's a gd joke.
I think both defenses are very athletic. Michigan's defense is loaded with athletes. Cam McGrone at LB, Josh Uche at OLB/DE, Aidan Hutchinson at DE, Vert Hill at CB, Ambry Thomas at CB, Dax Hill at NB/S- all supreme athletes for their positions. They are all sure-fire NFL draft picks.
Temp, I’ve got to say, all season I’ve been wonder if someone hijacked your account and started posting in your place. It’s been mostly nothing but perfectly reasonable takes on PSU all year. What gives?(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaizeandgoblue.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F10%2FBranchKnockOutPSU.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) (http://maizeandgoblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/BranchKnockOutPSU.jpg)
I see Hill and McGrone got more run on defense after the Wisconsin game, where frankly Michigan looked out of their depth athletically. The biggest issue for Michigan is that an athletic team should be able to bust some big plays just from being athletic. I know all the SPARQ scores are great, but haven't seen a whole lot of playmaking other than from Ronnie Bell.McGrone is hands down their best 'backer and Dax Hill their best nickel and he's probably aslo their best safety. Why they waited so long to give them playing time- beyond me.
Why would you assume that Penn State doesn't have 3 legit draft picks at wide receiver? KJ Hamler will certainly be drafted this year, but the rest of Penn State's starters are underclassman.
Michigan's best athletes and assets on offense- it's WR's - are being severely held back by terrible offensive coaching and terrible QB play. The play-calling and coaching has been atrocious, and Shea Patterson has been terrible. They have 3 legitimate NFL draft picks at WR- something Penn State doesn't have- and a fourth WR that's very athletic in Ronnie Bell - and they can't get these guys the football. It's a gd joke.
Ronnie Bell has the most targets. By a lot. You realize were 6 games into the season and Nico only has 13 catches, Tarik has 15, and DPJ has 11. That is pathetic.Is this what Jimmah means by mediocracy?There is enough froth between the programs also,hope it's a good one
Why would you assume that Penn State doesn't have 3 legit draft picks at wide receiver? KJ Hamler will certainly be drafted this year, but the rest of Penn State's starters are underclassman.Tarik is the best all-around receiver on that team. DPJ is the most talented. Nico is the biggest and the best at playing the ball in the air.
IMO, your best wide receiver is Bell. The other guys have a lot of hype, but the numbers aren't there. I don't put that blame fully on Patterson or the coaches. Those other wide receivers need to step up as well.
With that said, Urban Meyer says a new offensive system should take 5-6 weeks before it is fully implemented. If that's the case, there may be great improvement in the Michigan offense. If that happens, maybe we will finally see :-*"the B1G's best receivers":88: instead of empty fanfare.
Micah Parsons (LB) and Jason Oweh (DL) each run sub 4.4's.Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.
I wasn't sure what to think about this game, but after thinking about it more, this game can go a few different ways....there isn't much to think about. Penn State is going to kick Michigan's butt. Probably by 10-14 points.
First team to 17 wins.they'll get an extra 7 because of the crowd/environment and a Shea Patterson turnover special. I'm sticking with my 24-13 special. Michigan will get a couple FG's and then a late garbage time TD.
PSU 17
UM 13
| ***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK*** |
| #16 Michigan Wolverines (3-1, 5-1) at #7 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-0, 6-0) |
| 7:30 - State College, PA - ABC |
| I'm not sure how a bunch of people putting on white tee shirts is so intimidating, but for whatever reason, it is. Penn State has the prime time white out, with Gameday in town, in a game where the winner is squarely in the Big Ten championship race, and the loser has people questioning whether they have the correct coach to get them to Ohio State's level. Michigan's offense has been the one getting all of the questions, because they have the supposed all-everything transfer quarterback, and spent the whole offseason selling the coaching upgrades of speed and space. I think it's fair to question Penn State's offense though. Yes, they put up some gawdy numbers against the likes of Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland and Purdue; but against the two defenses they've played with a pulse, being Pitt and Iowa, they scored 17 in each. Problem is that 17 on the road, in Kinnick, is more than Michigan scored against Iowa at home. The challenge for Michigan is going to be blocking Penn State's front, a front that has been in the backfield all season, and leads the nation in rushing ypa defense. This is for a Wolverines offensive line that went from a supposed strength into struggling to figure out the new scheme. Patterson seems to be the best getting out of the pocket, and getting the ball out quickly. So maybe out of necessity, Gattis will actually scheme to Patterson's strength. Granted Michigan's defense seems to be hitting its stride, after getting blasted by Wisconsin, with the emergence of a couple of freshmen in Cam McGrone and Dax Hill. The Nittany Lions abused Michigan's defense in this game two years ago by creating mismatches for Saquon Barkley. Obviously nobody on the Nittany Lions roster is going to be Barkley, but even in terms of skill set, I don't see a lesser version of him. Ricky Slade is the leading reciever among the running back group, and among the split backfield, he has been easily the least effective. So if he's in the game, it's probably not to run the ball. Penn State will try to get the ball into KJ Hamler's hands in the middle and simply let him make plays, which he does. They need to try and force the ball more to tight end Pat Friermuth, who exploded against Buffalo, but has not been targeted nearly enough since. I don't envision a repeat of 2017, when Nittany Lions players were running free all over the field, but I think this Penn State defense is better than that one, particularly up front. They generated a ton of pressure last week, and against a worse offensive line in Michigan, if they are able to consistently get to Patterson with 4, which I think they will, eventually too much good field position starts to snowball. |
| PENN STATE 31, MICHIGAN 17 |
Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.Penn State's 40 times are legit. When Penn State guys go pro, their college 40s mirror the NFL draft numbers.
Jayson Oweh ran 4.63 at The Nike Opening. Parsons ran 4.66. Blazing times for a 250 pound DE and 240 pound LB in HS. Electronically timed. Same way they do at the NFL combine. Definitely nothing to sneeze at. Elite times for their positions. Why Franklin feels the need to leak bullshit 40 times out there- beats the hell out of me.
I just don't see the need for college coaches to manufacture bullshit times. Always funny to see the guys run at the combine and compare their actual 40 times to the bs ones the schools leak out.
Dax Hill by the way- ran an actual 4.30 laser timed at The Nike Opening. Fastest time at the entire event last year. If he's using Franklin's stop watch he's gotta be at 4.0 in the 40. Damn that's fast.
If Penn State can score 31 points it would blow me away.
***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK*** #16 Michigan Wolverines (3-1, 5-1) at #7 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-0, 6-0) 7:30 - State College, PA - ABC I'm not sure how a bunch of people putting on white tee shirts is so intimidating, but for whatever reason, it is. Penn State has the prime time white out, with Gameday in town, in a game where the winner is squarely in the Big Ten championship race, and the loser has people questioning whether they have the correct coach to get them to Ohio State's level. Michigan's offense has been the one getting all of the questions, because they have the supposed all-everything transfer quarterback, and spent the whole offseason selling the coaching upgrades of speed and space. I think it's fair to question Penn State's offense though. Yes, they put up some gawdy numbers against the likes of Idaho, Buffalo, Maryland and Purdue; but against the two defenses they've played with a pulse, being Pitt and Iowa, they scored 17 in each. Problem is that 17 on the road, in Kinnick, is more than Michigan scored against Iowa at home. The challenge for Michigan is going to be blocking Penn State's front, a front that has been in the backfield all season, and leads the nation in rushing ypa defense. This is for a Wolverines offensive line that went from a supposed strength into struggling to figure out the new scheme. Patterson seems to be the best getting out of the pocket, and getting the ball out quickly. So maybe out of necessity, Gattis will actually scheme to Patterson's strength. Granted Michigan's defense seems to be hitting its stride, after getting blasted by Wisconsin, with the emergence of a couple of freshmen in Cam McGrone and Dax Hill. The Nittany Lions abused Michigan's defense in this game two years ago by creating mismatches for Saquon Barkley. Obviously nobody on the Nittany Lions roster is going to be Barkley, but even in terms of skill set, I don't see a lesser version of him. Ricky Slade is the leading reciever among the running back group, and among the split backfield, he has been easily the least effective. So if he's in the game, it's probably not to run the ball. Penn State will try to get the ball into KJ Hamler's hands in the middle and simply let him make plays, which he does. They need to try and force the ball more to tight end Pat Friermuth, who exploded against Buffalo, but has not been targeted nearly enough since. I don't envision a repeat of 2017, when Nittany Lions players were running free all over the field, but I think this Penn State defense is better than that one, particularly up front. They generated a ton of pressure last week, and against a worse offensive line in Michigan, if they are able to consistently get to Patterson with 4, which I think they will, eventually too much good field position starts to snowball. PENN STATE 31, MICHIGAN 17
Tarik is the best all-around receiver on that team. DPJ is the most talented. Nico is the biggest and the best at playing the ball in the air.DPJ is talented but URBZ always says things for effect.Would have been a great used car salesman back in the day.I'd like to here DPJs version of that - doubt it was a blizzard,but he likes effect.And he's pimping DPJ so he isn't going to correct him.Any way right now I'd take Collins,he reminds me of Devin Smith - always came down with the ball.Got this game circled and Cindy try to convince me to go to a murder mystery with group participation.She keeps it up there will be a beating and it won't be a mystery
FYI- Urban also said that all 3 of Tarik, DPJ, and Nico are legitimate high NFL draft choices- and that DPJ is a top 10 pick in his mind. Urban said he thinks DPJ is so good he drove to Detroit from Columbus in a blizzard to try and prevent him from picking Michigan. I think Urban knows a thing or two about offense.
Shea was pretty good as a true frosh for Ole Miss- very up and down thru 7 games before getting injured as a true soph. Transfers to Michigan has an above average first year at Michigan. Really thought he would grow and catapult into a big senior year.Good take and your right,tomorrow is the time to get it together
Looks like Franklin has that same stop watch Urban had back in Gainesville.:D Yup same one they used on Bush and Peppers
If Penn State can score 31 points it would blow me away.Penn State's offense might not have to score a lot for Penn State to get 31. My guess is Penn State will get some points off of turnovers. Michigan has been turning the ball over like one of those episodes of Oprah where she gives the entire audience a car. YOU GET A TURNOVER! AND YOU GET A TURNOVER! HERE YOU GET A TURNOVER!
:D Yup same one they used on Bush and PeppersDon't get it.
Don't get it.Who's numbers did Urbz fudge in G'ville?I'm sure he prolly did BTW
Who's numbers did Urbz fudge in G'ville?I'm sure he prolly did BTWLol you don't remember that 40 yard dash board with like 10 guys on the Florida roster running 4.2's and 4.3's?
40 times don't do much for me. It's how the kid plays. Football fast is different than track fast.yup. I only ever pay attention to 40 times to a couple of positions. think it really only matters for RB's, WR's, and CB's mostly.
yup. I only ever pay attention to 40 times to a couple of positions. think it really only matters for RB's, WR's, and CB's mostly.I think they can tell you if a guy has break away speed, but that's about it. In his freshman season, Saquon ran about a 4.5. He was caught from behind a couple of times. In 2016 and 2017 he was running in the 4.3's and was never caught from behind.
It only matters for RB's if they get into the open field. It only matters for WR's if they catch the damn ball. And it only matters for CB's of they can open their hips and pivot on a swivel.very true. but it separates the elite from the great.
The juke is what it's all about. That's what I mean when I say football fast.
Melvin was pretty good - very close to elite. James White's moves are what keeps him playing with Tom, not his 4:57 time.Yeah, Melvin was very very good. Not knocking him, but JT is on another level and something special. JT is one of the best B1G backs I've ever seen. He's right up there with Zeke and Barkley.
I fully agree that JT is the best TB UW has ever had. Sorry Ron.he has that track speed that translates to field speed that Ron never had.
I dream about one more year of him, but if he doesn't come out early, he's nuts. Can always go back and finish school later.
I’m curious on people’s take on Michigan’s clock management on their final drive? From my seat, it felt like they were managing the game like it was tied and they had to drive down the field for a final score instead of a team that needed two scores to win. That doesn’t change a dropped pass in the endzone or failure to get a 3rd down stop, but it felt like they wasted a lot of time.Harbaugh and clock management is an oxymoron.
I’m curious on people’s take on Michigan’s clock management on their final drive? From my seat, it felt like they were managing the game like it was tied and they had to drive down the field for a final score instead of a team that needed two scores to win. That doesn’t change a dropped pass in the endzone or failure to get a 3rd down stop, but it felt like they wasted a lot of time.I didn't think it was bad - I think at that point you roll with your offense and try to play for overtime if need be. It wasn't like last year against ND where they were down two scores and were lollygagging around.
I didn't think it was bad - I think at that point you roll with your offense and try to play for overtime if need be. It wasn't like last year against ND where they were down two scores and were lollygagging around.Felt like I was watching a Cleveland Browns game Saturday night with lack of discipline and poor play calling. Even if they are playing for a tie and going to OT, it's poor clock management because they would have left too much time on the clock. Either play efficiently and plan on scoring so you have a chance to get the ball back or drain the entire clock out. It's like they were stuck in the middle.
I know it is late, but I've been busy.Likely? @Michigan State, @Minnesota, vs. Indiana, @Ohio State, vs. Rutgers
8. I don't think that Penn State is the 2nd best team in the conference.. Would you really favor them if they played Michigan again at home? Or against Wisconsin? Heck, even this game at Michigan State is a coin flip, IMO. Most predicted Penn State would finish the year with 3 to 4 losses, and with the brutal schedule they have, it is still quite likely.
Likely? @Michigan State, @Minnesota, vs. Indiana, @Ohio State, vs. RutgersGiven the high probability of an OSU loss, and the coin flip nature of the other 3, I think you're probably right. Let me change my mind now.
I'd say 9-3 is possible, 10-2 or 11-1 is likely.