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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #126 on: September 16, 2019, 01:04:53 PM »
Don Brown is on record stating he "can't wait" to play Wisconsin.
Umm, so what? What's the big deal here?

Don Brown is a maestro. Aside from Penn State in 2017 or Ohio State in 2018- the guy has been pretty much as good as it gets as a DC. No one is perfect I guess. But the guy has been pretty much phenomenal with major turnover on that defensive roster year after year.

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #127 on: September 16, 2019, 01:22:16 PM »
I know what he meant, but to someone who might not know, it would look different. He essentially said that playing UW would be a relief from MTSU and Army.
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #128 on: September 16, 2019, 01:33:03 PM »
I don't expect Chryst to vary from the script early. Wisconsin is always at a disadvantage to teams like Michigan in the WR vs. CB matchups. You don't counter that by going deep when you have the ball; you counter that by controlling the ball and the clock. Chryst is much more likely to want to keep the total number of possessions low and control field position (one of Michigan's problems against Army was typical of playing the triple option service academies--they only had a handful of possessions per half). He will likely be happy to trade punts and clock to prevent turnovers and opportunities for Michigan big plays.

The offense/defense match-up when the Badgers have the ball looks to me like a typical smash-mouth Big Ten game, one you could have seen anytime since the King showed up in Madison. The Badgers will play to their strength, and look for play action once a little bit of running game is established. If the Badgers score more than 20, I really like their chances.

Michigan's offense looks like a work in progress, and with their turnover issues to date, the Badgers will want to keep the play in front of them and will trade yards and clock to limit big plays, while also looking for the Michigan mistakes. But, as always, Michigan will have some guys who can score in a hurry through the Badgers defense.

If the Badgers score in the teens, I see a nail biter. If they can't crack 10, two big plays will beat them.

One problem for Wisconsin is they currently don't really trust their kicker. I don't know how Michigan's is, but trading field goals doesn't feel like a great recipe for the Badgers.

On the turnover front, J.T. has had fumble problems, so that's a bit of a concern, but I bet he's been working on it in the off season. If there is a 4-1 turnover ration (Michigan has fumbled four times in teach of its two games; the Badgers once each), I like the Badgers' chances.
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #129 on: September 16, 2019, 01:40:04 PM »
Makes sense and perhaps you are correct. However I would look at it differently in that the way to control the ball and the clock is with a solid running game and you need to make Michigan respect that you are willing to go deep even if it’s just a few throws that don’t get completed. If you’re going to let them strictly play the run they’re going to kill you. Plus Wisconsin has some receivers that can actually get it done deep now and I will hope that your coach learn something from last year.  
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #130 on: September 16, 2019, 02:01:14 PM »
Chryst will always look for passing opportunities; that's how his offense is supposed to work (if he has a QB he trusts). But I don't expect him to become more aggressive in this game out of concern for Michigan's big play threat. If anything, I would expect more conservative.

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #131 on: September 16, 2019, 02:11:05 PM »
Not sure what Wiscy will do.  Last year they actually ran the ball pretty well, but every time they dropped back to pass was a joke.  This year they look to have a more functional passing game, though not sure how that will filter out to the game plan.  Also, last year was when Patterson really ran the ball well.  Now that's part of the offense, but he hasn't looked right.  

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #132 on: September 16, 2019, 02:24:44 PM »
Chryst will always look for passing opportunities; that's how his offense is supposed to work (if he has a QB he trusts). But I don't expect him to become more aggressive in this game out of concern for Michigan's big play threat. If anything, I would expect more conservative.
Hope you’re wrong about that but you may be right. I think a conservative game plan gets them beat pretty soundly
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #133 on: September 16, 2019, 02:42:29 PM »
That assumes that the Badger defense can't hold up to Michigan. That was true last year, but (against two cupcakes) so far this season, the Badger D looks much improved. We shall see...both Penn State and Maryland came face-to-face with real competition last weekend and it sure changed how they looked.

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #134 on: September 16, 2019, 03:50:02 PM »
I don't expect Chryst to vary from the script early. Wisconsin is always at a disadvantage to teams like Michigan in the WR vs. CB matchups. You don't counter that by going deep when you have the ball; you counter that by controlling the ball and the clock. Chryst is much more likely to want to keep the total number of possessions low and control field position (one of Michigan's problems against Army was typical of playing the triple option service academies--they only had a handful of possessions per half). He will likely be happy to trade punts and clock to prevent turnovers and opportunities for Michigan big plays.

The offense/defense match-up when the Badgers have the ball looks to me like a typical smash-mouth Big Ten game, one you could have seen anytime since the King showed up in Madison. The Badgers will play to their strength, and look for play action once a little bit of running game is established. If the Badgers score more than 20, I really like their chances.

Michigan's offense looks like a work in progress, and with their turnover issues to date, the Badgers will want to keep the play in front of them and will trade yards and clock to limit big plays, while also looking for the Michigan mistakes. But, as always, Michigan will have some guys who can score in a hurry through the Badgers defense.

If the Badgers score in the teens, I see a nail biter. If they can't crack 10, two big plays will beat them.

One problem for Wisconsin is they currently don't really trust their kicker. I don't know how Michigan's is, but trading field goals doesn't feel like a great recipe for the Badgers.

On the turnover front, J.T. has had fumble problems, so that's a bit of a concern, but I bet he's been working on it in the off season. If there is a 4-1 turnover ration (Michigan has fumbled four times in teach of its two games; the Badgers once each), I like the Badgers' chances.
is this what you expect to happen or what you would advise Chryst and Harbaugh to do?
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #135 on: September 16, 2019, 03:58:08 PM »
That assumes that the Badger defense can't hold up to Michigan. That was true last year, but (against two cupcakes) so far this season, the Badger D looks much improved. We shall see...both Penn State and Maryland came face-to-face with real competition last weekend and it sure changed how they looked.
Well said. I just think that either defense is going to have a harder time defending the offense across from them if that offense is very unpredictable and willing to take some risks. I don’t know which team that holds true for if either   
Who knows it could turn out to be both teams playing extremely conservative and trying to win a muscle game in which case you have to feel like Wisconsin has just as much chance.

I just have a strong hunch Michigan is going to open up their offense quite a bit now.
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #136 on: September 16, 2019, 04:03:52 PM »
starting LT Jon Runyan should be back, as should starting WR Donovan Peoples-Jones. Not sure if it'll even matter though. Patterson has been very bad through the first two games and he's gone up against inferior opponents. 

I think Michigan's WR's will be able to get open deep- especially with DPJ coming back. I don't think it'll really matter though. Patterson has been so bad. He'll probably either over throw those big plays to wide open receivers or he won't even see his WR's when they are wide open. He has difficulty going through progressions and finding open guys. He has difficulty throwing with anticipation. Your WR's aren't always wide open. They will get open when they run their routes- but the ball has to be out before the WR's are out of the breaks. I NEVER see Patterson do this. NEVER. What was so impressive about Joe Burrows at LSU vs Texas was the guy was going through his reads and getting the ball to the right receiver and getting rid of that ball before that WR was EVER out of his breaks. Receiver is covered and still running his route- Burrows would have the ball out of his hand before the receiver gets out of his break to get open and BAM- big play. That's what the NFL QB's do. Shea IS NOT an NFL QB. He doesn't do that. And the truly great QB's can also throw their WR's open even when they are covered with ball placement. Shea literally never does this either. The kid needs his WR's to be absolutely freaking wide open by 5 yards to get them the ball, and even then he struggles getting them the ball. He makes damn near all his reads late, and if his first option isn't wide open he panics like a bird brain. I'm afraid he just doesn't have that high of a football IQ or a real feel for the position. He throws a nice looking ball and he's athletic, but he is not a smart football player. He's kind of a dumb football player actually.

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #137 on: September 16, 2019, 04:08:51 PM »
I don't know Harbaugh or Michigan's roster well enough to predict what they will be up to. I think I have a pretty good understanding of Chryst's game planning. He will look to keep Michigan off balance with some long throws mixed in (as he always does), but I expect him to run the same Badger offense you would normally expect, unless things are going really badly. I guess the only place where my post above feels more like recommendation than expectation is whether he is more conservative than usual. However, his usual is pretty conservative, so where my expectation ends and my recommendation starts is a little tough to identify.

Based on the few things we know so far this season, I doubt that Chryst thinks he needs to leave no special tricks untried to win this game. I suspect his plan is to play Wisconsin football with the expectation that Wisconsin football is good enough for the win. Frankly, I just don't remember that many times that he substantially varied the script. The Capital One Bowl vs. Auburn (Alvarez's last game as the [regular] HC) is one, but that was a long time ago, and with a month to prepare. When Bielema was the head man, the Michigan blowout was another, but that was when Bielema told him at halftime to stop throwing the ball until Michigan could stop the run (it never could). This game doesn't feel like either of those, so I'm thinking right down the middle.

Right now this team feels a lot more like 2016-17 Wisconsin than 2018 Wisconsin (with all the same caveats about early expectations and cupcakes).

As well as Coan has played so far this season, we're still talking about a QB with limited starting experience, and whose only really strong performances have come against weak teams without the kind of defensive talent that Michigan has. So I don't think Chryst will make Saturday the day to prove Coan is a big time passing threat. Unless the Badgers are more than two scores down. Then he will have to.

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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #138 on: September 16, 2019, 04:11:09 PM »
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Re: #11 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #13 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - Game Week
« Reply #139 on: September 16, 2019, 04:27:29 PM »
I am going to be very interested to see the Michigan front 7 in this one. They desperately need DT's Mike Dwumfour and Donovan Jeter back into the roation. Both guys should be back, which will be huge. They had been playing a freaking converted fullback at DT in Ben Mason because of injuries. Very interested to see if Aidan Hutchinson takes that next step vs a legit OL opponent and if CMU grad transfer Mike Danna is a legit pass rusher and not just a guy who dominated a crappy MAC conference. We'll find out how ready those two are for prime time this Saturday.

I know that Josh Uche will come to play- he just might be the best pure pass rusher in the conference. I know that Josh Ross is a DUDE at MLB, I know that Michigan has two excellent CB's in LaVert & Ambry, and I think I know that yet ANOTHER former Glasgow walk-on is a legitimate player. Something is in that Glasgow DNA that breeds high effort, smart, fundamentally sound, heady football players. I know that Josh Metellus is a pretty good starting B1G safety. Not special, but not terrible. In the middle. I know that it's still too early- but freshman CB Vincent Gray has looked like a potential stud in the making.

Completely unsure of how Khaleke Hudson will bounce back from a crappy 2018 season. He's not off to a great start so far- I'll tell you that. Blows my mind- because after his highly productive 2017 season as a true sophomore- thought he was going to be a STAR. He's fallen off the map. Completely unsure of the other safeties or Brad Hawkins at nickel. Scared actually. I think if Wisconsin is going to have huge plays in the passing game- it'll be picking on Brad Hawkins or J'Marrick Woods or Jaylen Kelly-Powell.

 

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