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HK_Vol

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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2021, 11:16:34 PM »
We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.

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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2021, 11:27:07 PM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on January 03, 2021, 11:16:34 PM
We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.


Bingo!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2021, 12:21:21 AM »
Quote from: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 11:27:07 PM
Bingo!!!!
Ok then, how long should he get?  If he again achieves a blistering 3-7 record, should we give him a 5th year?  What if we go 5-5?  Does that mean he earned another year?  It’s an improvement so he’s showing progress right?  that’s what you’ll say next year.  At what point will you be willing to cut bait? 

In response to @Volbrigade/oU  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be. 
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2021, 12:35:29 AM »
Fulmer mucked it up by extending his contract.  Who else was going to hire him?
Simple economics.  Gotta roll off more of his contract so that you can afford to pay the next guy more $$$ so as to attract him.

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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2021, 12:37:37 AM »
Quote from: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 12:21:21 AM

In response to @Volbrigade/oU  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be.
I feel your pain, @@Volitale .

Frankly, it’s a mess.

Not sure about the “weakest competition possible”, though.  SEC teams, and a UAB team that had a good year.  An IU team that looked good this year.  Played to within a TD of an OSU team that seems to have some muster — and might beat Bama (doubt it).

Not chest thumping material, but…

I mean, I’m not against changing ships.  But maybe we need to stop digging for awhile.  

There ain’t no fast and easy way out of this hole.  The fact that we seemed ready to stand up and start walking — only to fall so far back in…

It might be worthwhile to see what happens without a certain… I’ll be nice and say “underachieving” QB… impacting the program…

Ugh.



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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2021, 08:34:04 AM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on January 04, 2021, 12:35:29 AM
Fulmer mucked it up by extending his contract.  Who else was going to hire him?
Simple economics.  Gotta roll off more of his contract so that you can afford to pay the next guy more $$$ so as to attract him.


The contract Fulmer gave Pruitt was mostly performance incentives. Very little $ increase without winning performance. Extending contracts for coaches are almost automatic in the SEC. The first year a coaches contract is not extended then other coaches around the conference uses that as ammunition in recruiting. Fulmer knew that so gave an extension that did not make a buyout worse than it presently was.
If you don't extend a contract yearly it would be the same as firing him which would have been impossible with a 5 game winning streak at the time.
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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2021, 08:37:10 AM »
Quote from: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 12:21:21 AM
Ok then, how long should he get?  If he again achieves a blistering 3-7 record, should we give him a 5th year?  What if we go 5-5?  Does that mean he earned another year?  It’s an improvement so he’s showing progress right?  that’s what you’ll say next year.  At what point will you be willing to cut bait? 

In response to @Volbrigade/oU  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be. 

If there's no improvement next season then Pruitt is gone. I think everyone knows that, including Pruitt.
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2021, 08:39:55 AM »
Quote from: Volbrigade/oU on January 04, 2021, 12:37:37 AM
I feel your pain, @@Volitale .

Frankly, it’s a mess.

Not sure about the “weakest competition possible”, though.  SEC teams, and a UAB team that had a good year.  An IU team that looked good this year.  Played to within a TD of an OSU team that seems to have some muster — and might beat Bama (doubt it).

Not chest thumping material, but…

I mean, I’m not against changing ships.  But maybe we need to stop digging for awhile. 

There ain’t no fast and easy way out of this hole.  The fact that we seemed ready to stand up and start walking — only to fall so far back in…

It might be worthwhile to see what happens without a certain… I’ll be nice and say “underachieving” QB… impacting the program…

Ugh.




My guess is that if the Vols do not show vast improvement next season Pruitt is gone and Fulmer will have someone lined to replace him long  before he's fired. I would think he's got it narrowed down to 2-3 already
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2021, 09:00:10 AM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on January 03, 2021, 11:16:34 PM

We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.



I suppose roadvol will blame that on the fans too for making all the bad hires.

It isn't replacing him just to replace him you answered that at the beginning of your post.  I think the past 15 years of bad coaching hires and less than mediocrity in the program has decreased true VOL fans limits of acceptance.

There's not a hell of lot we can do about the shit show in Washington DC but we sure as hell don't have to accept one on The Hill.  To many big egos and self serving morons are running the show wasting millions of dollars for their bad decisions.

Yet when we call them into question we get raked over the coals by the homers, sunshine pumpers and ass kissers because we're not supposed to be negative when telling the truth about who ever their hero holding the title of HC or AD happens to be at the time.

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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2021, 10:38:50 AM »
Quote from: gymvol on January 04, 2021, 09:00:10 AM
I suppose roadvol will blame that on the fans too for making all the bad hires.

It isn't replacing him just to replace him you answered that at the beginning of your post.  I think the past 15 years of bad coaching hires and less than mediocrity in the program has decreased true VOL fans limits of acceptance.

There's not a hell of lot we can do about the shit show in Washington DC but we sure as hell don't have to accept one on The Hill.  To many big egos and self serving morons are running the show wasting millions of dollars for their bad decisions.

Yet when we call them into question we get raked over the coals by the homers, sunshine pumpers and ass kissers because we're not supposed to be negative when telling the truth about who ever their hero holding the title of HC or AD happens to be at the time.


Wow!!!....I never thought I would live to see the day that being an optimistic fan and hoping for the best for the program was a bad thing. Just goes to show some of these "critics" have lost focus. They're  more interested in firing coaches. AD's, mascots, band directors etc ..just fire anyone as long as someone is fired than looking toward the long term good of the program.
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2021, 10:46:39 AM »
Quote from: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
Wow!!!....I never thought I would live to see the day that being an optimistic fan and hoping for the best for the program was a bad thing. Just goes to show some of these "critics" have lost focus. They're  more interested in firing coaches. AD's, mascots, band directors etc ..just fire anyone as long as someone is fired than looking toward the long term good of the program.
So wanting a better coach is not hoping for the best for the program?  We don't hate the man or the program.  You've got it twisted my friend.  Would I have liked for Pruitt to succeed, YES.  Facts and record be damned though...
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2021, 10:55:22 AM »
May as well have hung on to Derek Dooley for all these years for millions upon millions according to some Vol "faithful".
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2021, 10:57:54 AM »
Quote from: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 10:46:39 AM
So wanting a better coach is not hoping for the best for the program?  We don't hate the man or the program.  You've got it twisted my friend.  Would I have liked for Pruitt to succeed, YES.  Facts and record be damned though...
Duhhhh!!! Who doesn't want the best coach available.
Listening to Erik Ainge Show as I type and that question just came up.
He said that he would be in favor  of firing Pruitt today if he could be sure that a better coach could be hired. However he said with our present budgetary restraints and the lack of quality coaches on the market he doesn't see that happening this year.
BTW..I completely agree.
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2021, 11:01:16 AM »
All three of the experts on coaching evaluations are on the board this morning.
I have a pressing question.
After being ranked 7th in the nation and unbeaten after 7 games the Vol basketball team lost Saturday .
My question is.....should we fire Barnes  today or wait until pre-game shoot around's Wednesday?
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