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Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2021, 10:06:50 AM »

IF
is a mighty big word to be paying someone millions of dollars to see IF they might win 2/3 of their games. IF the dog hadn't stopped to lick his butt he might have caught the rabbit.

We've been waiting for 15 years to see IF the next inferior coach hired is any better than the last one.

As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

People always point out the one NC he won.  IF he had been such an excellent coach he would have won more than TWO SEC Championships in 15 years. IF he had been such an excellent coach the Old Ball coach wouldn't have beat him with lessor talent. IF he had been such an excellent coach he wouldn't have lost to the likes of Memphis State and Wyoming.

IF
is used a lot but who wants to wait five years to see IF Tater Head can win 2/3 of his games?
As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

Fulmer coached 10 years after winning the National Championship. During that time we won the East Division Championship 3 times and was runner up 3 times. That 6 years out of 10 we either won the division or was runner up.
 When Fulmer was fired we were ranked 5th in the country in recruiting. How's it worked out for UT since the "critics" managed to run him off?
For those "critics" who knew more than anyone else and forced firing Fulmer in mid season...you can pat yourself on the back for helping destroy UT football for at least a generation.

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 10:46:50 AM »
As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

Fulmer coached 10 years after winning the National Championship. During that time we won the East Division Championship 3 times and was runner up 3 times. That 6 years out of 10 we either won the division or was runner up.
 When Fulmer was fired we were ranked 5th in the country in recruiting. How's it worked out for UT since the "critics" managed to run him off?
For those "critics" who knew more than anyone else and forced firing Fulmer in mid season...you can pat yourself on the back for helping destroy UT football for at least a generation.

Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2021, 10:59:33 AM »
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
I'll stand by my earlier posts...it's critics like you that have destroyed UT football.
Let's play "what if".
 Instead of acting like idiots, UT had worked an arrangement with Fulmer in 2008. Let him coach one more year and then move to the Athletic Dept as Asst AD or even AD. UT would not have become the toxic environment it is today. You keep complaining that UT never goes after a "name " coach. UT has pursued at least a dozen name coaches and have been turned down by all of them. How do you think Pruitt ended up at UT. No one else wanted the job.
 UT has become a graveyard for coaches. One bad season and the "critics" are out for blood. I'm not a Pruitt fan but I am a Fulmer fan. He won and won consistently and didn't go after ever job opening that came up at other schools just to get more money. He was a UT alum and loved the University. He didn't go on Alabama radio stations after he was fired like Majors and trash the university. .So if supporting the 2nd winningest coach in UT history is a bad thing...I'm guilty.


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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2021, 11:13:01 AM »
Even though I'm a Fulmer fan, I'm more of a UT fan. If firing Fulmer would solve UT's problem then I would be the first to call for his dismissal. Unfortunately we all know that Fulmer is not the problem.
It's years is mismanagement in the UTAD beginning with the hiring of Mike Hamilton.
UT football is toxic and until that is resolved then it does no good to fire Pruitt. We would just end up with our 3rd , 4th of worse choice as coach again. ( In Pruitt's case I think he was about the 7th or 8th choice)

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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2021, 01:06:26 PM »
Instead of acting like idiots, UT had worked an arrangement with Fulmer in 2008. Let him coach one more year and then move to the Athletic Dept as Asst AD or even AD.
 
Interesting idea, but I don't think he would have taken the deal.  And I'm not sure how the fans would have liked it either (not to mention the devastating impact it would have had on recruiting).  Why bend over backwards for a coach who refused to take responsibility for driving the program into a ditch?  

UT would not have become the toxic environment it is today.
 
It's a toxic environment today because of spoiled, impatient, unrealistic, entitled "fans."

And how come you're allowed to call it a toxic environment, but I'm not?  

You keep complaining that UT never goes after a "name " coach. UT has pursued at least a dozen name coaches and have been turned down by all of them. How do you think Pruitt ended up at UT. No one else wanted the job.

You sound like me.

 UT has become a graveyard for coaches. One bad season and the "critics" are out for blood. I'm not a Pruitt fan but I am a Fulmer fan.
 
I'm a fan of both.

I heard the phone transcript when Jeremy Banks got in trouble and Pruitt was talking to the cops.  They were telling Pruitt what Banks said, and Pruitt's answer was surprising and telling of what kind of guy he is.  (paraphrasing) Pruitt explained that Banks was a kid that didn't have anybody at home to teach him how to act in those situations, and that he needed understanding and help.  

My fear is that with the grip that social media has on sports culture, that once you're on the hot-seat you might as well cut-bait, because the environment is so toxic that you're never going to recover anyway.  I guess every once in a while someone survives it short term (Harbaugh), but it seems rare.  I'm hoping Pruitt wins 8 regular season games next year and saves his job.  

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2021, 01:49:36 PM »


Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.
The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.
Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S. We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states .
I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.

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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2021, 02:02:52 PM »

Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.

If it's any consolation, I don't see Notre Dame winning a natty any time soon, either.  Or Nebraska or Michigan.  

The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.

This IS where we differ - I think everyone else has "figured it out" and the schools have basically settled into their rightful order.  Neyland Stadium isn't particularly big anymore.  They've caught up and passed us on locker-room, practice facilities, too.  Georgia's not going to settle for the Jim Donnan's of the coaching world anymore, and as you say, even the Dan Mullen's of the world aren't coming to Knoxville.  

Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S.
 
Proximity to recruiting hot-beds is among the main factors that has doomed us to mid-tier status.  

We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states.

I'm afraid that too many are living in the past. 

I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.

I think you had it right before - some people just love to complain.  

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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2021, 05:53:25 PM »
So Georgia is one of the elites?
I really enjoy your analysis of football powers
Do you have a clue how many SEC Championships they won in the last 15 years?
One!
Do you know how many NCAA Championships they've won in the last 40 years?
None
Dont you think UGA should actually win something before crowning them as an elite?
I really look forward to more of your expertise on SEC football in the future.

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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2021, 06:49:07 PM »
So Georgia is one of the elites?

Yes.

Dont you think UGA should actually win something before crowning them as an elite?

Besides the SEC East?  They're in the top 5 in overall wins over the past 15 years, but I'm glad to report they haven't brought home a natty - hope they never do again. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2021, 08:42:06 PM »

Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.
The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.
Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S. We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states .
I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.
Yup, the fans are the problem.  If only we all had our heads as far up tater heads ass as you, then we’d be good again.  That’s exactly how this works according to you, right?

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2021, 10:32:04 PM »
Yup, the fans are the problem.  If only we all had our heads as far up tater heads ass as you, then we’d be good again.  That’s exactly how this works according to you, right?
Thanks for providing an example of the fans I was referring to.
Great analysis....,high brow response!!!

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2021, 10:35:37 PM »
Meh…

My thoughts?

I could easily jump on the “tar and feather” Pruitt bandwagon.  It’s loading to the point of straining the axles, so it would be a pretty easy hop.

But I think back to the 7 (was it?) game winning streak.  I think of the first two wins this year.  Not impressive, but…

I think back to the first half against UGA.  The goal line stands.  I remember texting someone, “this is a good football team!”

And then JG comes out the second half and hands them the game.

Whatever culture, whatever chemistry, whatever confidence had been established over the course of the streak seemed to go down the toilet in 30 minutes.  It’s as if the entire team seemed to say “what’s the use?  We bust our butts — and this… er, ‘dude’ just throws it all away…”.

With two QBs behind him who, for whatever reason, couldn’t overtake him.  And a promising frosh who didn’t get spring training, and precious little fall camp.  In this strangest and most effed up of years.  A year in which Notre Dame and Bama — arguably the marquee programs in all of CFB history — meet in the Rose Bowl, “the granddaddy of them all” (a RB, I come to find out, that was not even played in Anaheim).  

And I find that I couldn’t care less. 

I also think about the recruiting successes — and tons of near success, interest from top flight recruits — “UT in the top 5 for…” whoever.  The buzz around the program for awhile.

And what I’m saying is:  

Road is probably right.  Pruitt isn’t going anywhere for awhile.  At least a year.  Maybe two.

Now I’ll admit my interest in UT football is at the lowest ebb since the late 70s and early 80s, when I was a young buck with a lot better things to do than follow a mediocre football program, back in the days when there was no internet or television every game, but there damn sure was beer and… I’ll say “girls”, to keep it clean.

My vote — for what it’s worth — 

keep ol’ tater head around.  See what he can do in a more normal year, with his recruits, building the program around a big QB who passes the eye test, what little I bothered to watch of him during the midst of this debacle of a season.

Maybe Pruitt will grow into the job.  Maybe he’ll “find something inside of himself”, or whatever, and we’ll get to enjoy one of those feel-good, out of the blue, turnaround success stories.

I don’t see a viable alternative.  Taking the chance on giving the keys to another “project” coach, imo, is not one.  The definition of insanity…

I just wish Fulmer had made CJP’s extension incumbent on undergoing a speech class, or Toastmaster’s, or something.  

I’m tired of Saban and Dabo and Fisher and Stoops and Mullen — and virtually everybody else, even Smart — sound like they know what they’re talking about.

And our coach sounding like he works with Gomer and Goober at Wally’s fillin’ station.

It’s an embarrassment. 



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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2021, 10:52:56 PM »
Unless some donor comes up with $20 million or more upfront, Pruitt isn't going anywhere in the next year unless his contract is violated for NCAA penalties....

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2021, 10:59:22 PM »
Unless some donor comes up with $20 million or more upfront, Pruitt isn't going anywhere in the next year unless his contract is violated for NCAA penalties....
The $20 million doesn’t get paid in one lump sum so you have to weigh the annual costs of the buyouts vs the imminent missed revenue due to fan apathy (and make no mistake there is a lot of that right now). If we truly have a guy or 2 in mind and can get him lined up .... I’d say go for it. If we’re going down the road of another disastrous coaching search well then what’s the point ?? 

 

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