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Title: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: billyboy75 on January 02, 2021, 02:16:41 PM
If Pruitt were to win 2/3 of our games, think we would fire him, especially if it would cost $20 million?  Or more?

The football world has gone crazy.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: billyboy75 on January 02, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Once upon a time, we did.  And it has been a disaster ever since.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 02, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
Once upon a time, we did.  And it has been a disaster ever since.
Auburn and Texas both have deep cash reserves. Tennessee's reserves are almost depleted thanks to 12 years of hiring and firing coaches every three years. Texas especially has been hiring the "flavor of the week" coach for a few years now.
Charlie Strong and Tom Harmon were both highly sought after coaches that the "experts" fans insisted that's all they needed to have a championship team.
Auburn is a unique situation...it seems that no matter who their coach is, they wear out their welcome in 4-5 years. Politics and idiot fans are a bad combination to ever build a great program.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: billyboy75 on January 02, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
Why would Auburn have more financial resources than UT?   I get Texas with oil money and tech money, but Auburn is a step child to Bama, so I dont get how they can keep firing coaches with huge payoffs.   Malzahn is a good coach.   They are taking a chance with the new hire.

In re Pruitt, I think he can coach.   He knows the game.  BUT.  He talks country, as in redneck type country.   I dont know how that could help in recruits homes, and it sure doesn't go over well on national TV.   He does not have the type of charisma that instills confidence.

I dont see how he can take us to the promised land.  

But, realistically, who could?
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 02, 2021, 02:44:01 PM
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/auburn-receives-record-57-million-donation/
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 02, 2021, 02:49:45 PM
also....Bobby Louder who was CEO and president of one of the largest banks in Alabama has always been Mr Money Bags for Auburn. If Lauder didn't like a coach he was gone, regardless of his record.
Louder was always able to come up with the cash needed to hire the coach he wanted.
I think Louder's influence has faded over the last few years but am sure there are others to take his place.
Auburn has never had a cash reserve problem thanks to Louder and other deep pockets who support Auburn.
Auburn held the record for years for being on probation more than any other program in the NCAA thanks to some of the "deep pocket" fans who wants to run the program.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 02, 2021, 05:04:56 PM


The richest man in Alabama Jimmy Rane Mr. Yella Wood himself is an Auburn fan and trustee pours a lot of money into Auburn.

snip:

It has long been wide-spread knowledge that the person who is supposed to be in charge of the athletics program, the athletic director, is basically a yes-man to Jimmy Rane, Raymond Harbert and … gulp … Bobby Lowder. Of course, Auburn isn’t the only school that has this problem it’s just most of the time these men screw up.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]https://auburnwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/17/auburn-coaching-search-embarrassing-gus-malzahn-kevin-steele-jimmy-rane/[/color]
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: fuzzynavol on January 02, 2021, 05:11:19 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oxRmimTyGrVGchNew/source.gif)

But, realistically, who could?
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 02, 2021, 05:18:49 PM

To think they have people smart enough to fire winning coaches that have reached their peak and we can't fire one who has reached his peak as a loser.

Remember the old FRAM oil filter commercials, Pay Me Now or Pay Me later.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: awinatl on January 02, 2021, 06:11:15 PM
If Pruitt were to win 2/3 of our games, think we would fire him, especially if it would cost $20 million?  Or more?

The football world has gone crazy.
No offense Billy but that’s a dumb azz question ...... Pruitt wins 1/3 of his games and gets freaking extensions. TN football sits when they pee these days. 
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: billyboy75 on January 02, 2021, 06:48:24 PM
Sorry you think you are intellectually superior.   It isnt s dumb question, your response was though.

Do you think Tennessee would fire Pruitt if he begins to win 2/3 of our games?   Lets say over a 5 year span?

If you think the answer is yes, then you are like Auburn or Texas fans, or like Tennessee fans when they clamored for the removal of the only coach to win a national championship in 50 years.   It was SO stupid.

Now, we WISH we had a coach who could win like Malzahn or Hermann.   
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 03, 2021, 12:29:48 AM
Do you think Tennessee would fire Pruitt if he begins to win 2/3 of our games?  Lets say over a 5 year span?



The only way he could achieve that percentage is if we go to the playoffs the next 2 years.  We all know that ain’t happening.  After 3 years he’s 16-19, but we should give him more time.  Right.  Sure...
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: billyboy75 on January 03, 2021, 01:55:50 AM
I said if he BEGINS to win 2/3 of the games within 5 years.

Words matter.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 03, 2021, 09:54:37 AM
I said if he BEGINS to win 2/3 of the games within 5 years.

Words matter.

IF
is a mighty big word to be paying someone millions of dollars to see IF they might win 2/3 of their games. IF the dog hadn't stopped to lick his butt he might have caught the rabbit.

We've been waiting for 15 years to see IF the next inferior coach hired is any better than the last one.

As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

People always point out the one NC he won.  IF he had been such an excellent coach he would have won more than TWO SEC Championships in 15 years. IF he had been such an excellent coach the Old Ball coach wouldn't have beat him with lessor talent. IF he had been such an excellent coach he wouldn't have lost to the likes of Memphis State and Wyoming.

IF
is used a lot but who wants to wait five years to see IF Tater Head can win 2/3 of his games?
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 10:06:50 AM

IF
is a mighty big word to be paying someone millions of dollars to see IF they might win 2/3 of their games. IF the dog hadn't stopped to lick his butt he might have caught the rabbit.

We've been waiting for 15 years to see IF the next inferior coach hired is any better than the last one.

As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

People always point out the one NC he won.  IF he had been such an excellent coach he would have won more than TWO SEC Championships in 15 years. IF he had been such an excellent coach the Old Ball coach wouldn't have beat him with lessor talent. IF he had been such an excellent coach he wouldn't have lost to the likes of Memphis State and Wyoming.

IF
is used a lot but who wants to wait five years to see IF Tater Head can win 2/3 of his games?
As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

Fulmer coached 10 years after winning the National Championship. During that time we won the East Division Championship 3 times and was runner up 3 times. That 6 years out of 10 we either won the division or was runner up.
 When Fulmer was fired we were ranked 5th in the country in recruiting. How's it worked out for UT since the "critics" managed to run him off?
For those "critics" who knew more than anyone else and forced firing Fulmer in mid season...you can pat yourself on the back for helping destroy UT football for at least a generation.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 03, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
As far as Fulmer IF he  hadn't rested on his laurels after winning a NC he would still be HC

Fulmer coached 10 years after winning the National Championship. During that time we won the East Division Championship 3 times and was runner up 3 times. That 6 years out of 10 we either won the division or was runner up.
 When Fulmer was fired we were ranked 5th in the country in recruiting. How's it worked out for UT since the "critics" managed to run him off?
For those "critics" who knew more than anyone else and forced firing Fulmer in mid season...you can pat yourself on the back for helping destroy UT football for at least a generation.

Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 10:59:33 AM
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
Don't get all bent out of shape every time someone points out Fulmer's short comings. I know you worship him but he isn't a god he is just a man who had the title of HC at Tennessee. It doesn't make him anything special.

As far as destroying Tennessee football it's homers like you who think anyone that is given a title of HC is something special to be adored without ever seeing the problem that lies within.

Fulmer with his inability to maintain a good coaching staff and failure as a coach with his big ego and back stabbing ways with support of people like you have gotten us into this shit show. I have never hired or fired anyone as coach of TN so I didn't get us to where we are.  I have always given coaches benefit of the doubt until I see what they can or cannot do.  I'm still entitled to my opinion the same as you so don't come here trying to blame me for that shit show on the hill that you homers and sunshine pumpers support because you kiss ass to someone because he is or was a former football coach.

I was taught growing up you judge a person by not by who they are but by the person they are and what they do. They same way in the military I was taught to respect the rank but the man holding the rank had to earn respect. Respect isn't given it's something that is earned.

But anyone would have to be pretty damned stupid to give a HC with a losing record an extension on his contract in a year according to you that we have a 50 million dollar short fall in revenue.

That in itself should point out to you if you take off those orange colored glasses as to what we are dealing with running the athletic department.  He didn't just get stupid over night.
I'll stand by my earlier posts...it's critics like you that have destroyed UT football.
Let's play "what if".
 Instead of acting like idiots, UT had worked an arrangement with Fulmer in 2008. Let him coach one more year and then move to the Athletic Dept as Asst AD or even AD. UT would not have become the toxic environment it is today. You keep complaining that UT never goes after a "name " coach. UT has pursued at least a dozen name coaches and have been turned down by all of them. How do you think Pruitt ended up at UT. No one else wanted the job.
 UT has become a graveyard for coaches. One bad season and the "critics" are out for blood. I'm not a Pruitt fan but I am a Fulmer fan. He won and won consistently and didn't go after ever job opening that came up at other schools just to get more money. He was a UT alum and loved the University. He didn't go on Alabama radio stations after he was fired like Majors and trash the university. .So if supporting the 2nd winningest coach in UT history is a bad thing...I'm guilty.

Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 11:13:01 AM
Even though I'm a Fulmer fan, I'm more of a UT fan. If firing Fulmer would solve UT's problem then I would be the first to call for his dismissal. Unfortunately we all know that Fulmer is not the problem.
It's years is mismanagement in the UTAD beginning with the hiring of Mike Hamilton.
UT football is toxic and until that is resolved then it does no good to fire Pruitt. We would just end up with our 3rd , 4th of worse choice as coach again. ( In Pruitt's case I think he was about the 7th or 8th choice)
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: fuzzynavol on January 03, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Instead of acting like idiots, UT had worked an arrangement with Fulmer in 2008. Let him coach one more year and then move to the Athletic Dept as Asst AD or even AD.
 
Interesting idea, but I don't think he would have taken the deal.  And I'm not sure how the fans would have liked it either (not to mention the devastating impact it would have had on recruiting).  Why bend over backwards for a coach who refused to take responsibility for driving the program into a ditch?  

UT would not have become the toxic environment it is today.
 
It's a toxic environment today because of spoiled, impatient, unrealistic, entitled "fans."

And how come you're allowed to call it a toxic environment, but I'm not?  

You keep complaining that UT never goes after a "name " coach. UT has pursued at least a dozen name coaches and have been turned down by all of them. How do you think Pruitt ended up at UT. No one else wanted the job.

You sound like me.

 UT has become a graveyard for coaches. One bad season and the "critics" are out for blood. I'm not a Pruitt fan but I am a Fulmer fan.
 
I'm a fan of both.

I heard the phone transcript when Jeremy Banks got in trouble and Pruitt was talking to the cops.  They were telling Pruitt what Banks said, and Pruitt's answer was surprising and telling of what kind of guy he is.  (paraphrasing) Pruitt explained that Banks was a kid that didn't have anybody at home to teach him how to act in those situations, and that he needed understanding and help.  

My fear is that with the grip that social media has on sports culture, that once you're on the hot-seat you might as well cut-bait, because the environment is so toxic that you're never going to recover anyway.  I guess every once in a while someone survives it short term (Harbaugh), but it seems rare.  I'm hoping Pruitt wins 8 regular season games next year and saves his job.  
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 01:49:36 PM


Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.
The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.
Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S. We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states .
I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: fuzzynavol on January 03, 2021, 02:02:52 PM

Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.

If it's any consolation, I don't see Notre Dame winning a natty any time soon, either.  Or Nebraska or Michigan.  

The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.

This IS where we differ - I think everyone else has "figured it out" and the schools have basically settled into their rightful order.  Neyland Stadium isn't particularly big anymore.  They've caught up and passed us on locker-room, practice facilities, too.  Georgia's not going to settle for the Jim Donnan's of the coaching world anymore, and as you say, even the Dan Mullen's of the world aren't coming to Knoxville.  

Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S.
 
Proximity to recruiting hot-beds is among the main factors that has doomed us to mid-tier status.  

We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states.

I'm afraid that too many are living in the past. 

I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.

I think you had it right before - some people just love to complain.  
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
So Georgia is one of the elites?
I really enjoy your analysis of football powers
Do you have a clue how many SEC Championships they won in the last 15 years?
One!
Do you know how many NCAA Championships they've won in the last 40 years?
None
Dont you think UGA should actually win something before crowning them as an elite?
I really look forward to more of your expertise on SEC football in the future.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: fuzzynavol on January 03, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
So Georgia is one of the elites?

Yes.

Dont you think UGA should actually win something before crowning them as an elite?

Besides the SEC East?  They're in the top 5 in overall wins over the past 15 years, but I'm glad to report they haven't brought home a natty - hope they never do again. 
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 03, 2021, 08:42:06 PM

Where we differ is you are assuming UT will permanently be a middle of the pack football power by ignoring history of not only UT but the history of SEC schools.
The SEC has always gone thru changes in the pecking order. UT is positioned as well as anyone to get back on top as soon as they get their house in order.
Not only in facilities and history. Knoxville is within driving range of at least 9 states that are the richest recruiting areas in the U.S. We haven't capitalized on that since Fulmer left but that can be corrected. I can remember recruiting years when he signed the #1 players in 7-8 states .
I do agree UT football presently has a toxic environment brought on by a few vocal fans who will never be pleased but hopefully that will pass eventually.
Yup, the fans are the problem.  If only we all had our heads as far up tater heads ass as you, then we’d be good again.  That’s exactly how this works according to you, right?
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 10:32:04 PM
Yup, the fans are the problem.  If only we all had our heads as far up tater heads ass as you, then we’d be good again.  That’s exactly how this works according to you, right?
Thanks for providing an example of the fans I was referring to.
Great analysis....,high brow response!!!
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volbrigade/oU on January 03, 2021, 10:35:37 PM
Meh…

My thoughts?

I could easily jump on the “tar and feather” Pruitt bandwagon.  It’s loading to the point of straining the axles, so it would be a pretty easy hop.

But I think back to the 7 (was it?) game winning streak.  I think of the first two wins this year.  Not impressive, but…

I think back to the first half against UGA.  The goal line stands.  I remember texting someone, “this is a good football team!”

And then JG comes out the second half and hands them the game.

Whatever culture, whatever chemistry, whatever confidence had been established over the course of the streak seemed to go down the toilet in 30 minutes.  It’s as if the entire team seemed to say “what’s the use?  We bust our butts — and this… er, ‘dude’ just throws it all away…”.

With two QBs behind him who, for whatever reason, couldn’t overtake him.  And a promising frosh who didn’t get spring training, and precious little fall camp.  In this strangest and most effed up of years.  A year in which Notre Dame and Bama — arguably the marquee programs in all of CFB history — meet in the Rose Bowl, “the granddaddy of them all” (a RB, I come to find out, that was not even played in Anaheim).  

And I find that I couldn’t care less. 

I also think about the recruiting successes — and tons of near success, interest from top flight recruits — “UT in the top 5 for…” whoever.  The buzz around the program for awhile.

And what I’m saying is:  

Road is probably right.  Pruitt isn’t going anywhere for awhile.  At least a year.  Maybe two.

Now I’ll admit my interest in UT football is at the lowest ebb since the late 70s and early 80s, when I was a young buck with a lot better things to do than follow a mediocre football program, back in the days when there was no internet or television every game, but there damn sure was beer and… I’ll say “girls”, to keep it clean.

My vote — for what it’s worth — 

keep ol’ tater head around.  See what he can do in a more normal year, with his recruits, building the program around a big QB who passes the eye test, what little I bothered to watch of him during the midst of this debacle of a season.

Maybe Pruitt will grow into the job.  Maybe he’ll “find something inside of himself”, or whatever, and we’ll get to enjoy one of those feel-good, out of the blue, turnaround success stories.

I don’t see a viable alternative.  Taking the chance on giving the keys to another “project” coach, imo, is not one.  The definition of insanity…

I just wish Fulmer had made CJP’s extension incumbent on undergoing a speech class, or Toastmaster’s, or something.  

I’m tired of Saban and Dabo and Fisher and Stoops and Mullen — and virtually everybody else, even Smart — sound like they know what they’re talking about.

And our coach sounding like he works with Gomer and Goober at Wally’s fillin’ station.

It’s an embarrassment. 


Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: HK_Vol on January 03, 2021, 10:52:56 PM
Unless some donor comes up with $20 million or more upfront, Pruitt isn't going anywhere in the next year unless his contract is violated for NCAA penalties....
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: awinatl on January 03, 2021, 10:59:22 PM
Unless some donor comes up with $20 million or more upfront, Pruitt isn't going anywhere in the next year unless his contract is violated for NCAA penalties....
The $20 million doesn’t get paid in one lump sum so you have to weigh the annual costs of the buyouts vs the imminent missed revenue due to fan apathy (and make no mistake there is a lot of that right now). If we truly have a guy or 2 in mind and can get him lined up .... I’d say go for it. If we’re going down the road of another disastrous coaching search well then what’s the point ?? 
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: HK_Vol on January 03, 2021, 11:16:34 PM
We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.

Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 03, 2021, 11:27:07 PM
We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.


Bingo!!!!
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 12:21:21 AM
Bingo!!!!
Ok then, how long should he get?  If he again achieves a blistering 3-7 record, should we give him a 5th year?  What if we go 5-5?  Does that mean he earned another year?  It’s an improvement so he’s showing progress right?  that’s what you’ll say next year.  At what point will you be willing to cut bait? 

In response to @Volbrigade/oU (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1836)  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be. 
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: HK_Vol on January 04, 2021, 12:35:29 AM
Fulmer mucked it up by extending his contract.  Who else was going to hire him?
Simple economics.  Gotta roll off more of his contract so that you can afford to pay the next guy more $$$ so as to attract him.

Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volbrigade/oU on January 04, 2021, 12:37:37 AM

In response to @Volbrigade/oU (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1836)  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be.
I feel your pain, @@Volitale .

Frankly, it’s a mess.

Not sure about the “weakest competition possible”, though.  SEC teams, and a UAB team that had a good year.  An IU team that looked good this year.  Played to within a TD of an OSU team that seems to have some muster — and might beat Bama (doubt it).

Not chest thumping material, but…

I mean, I’m not against changing ships.  But maybe we need to stop digging for awhile.  

There ain’t no fast and easy way out of this hole.  The fact that we seemed ready to stand up and start walking — only to fall so far back in…

It might be worthwhile to see what happens without a certain… I’ll be nice and say “underachieving” QB… impacting the program…

Ugh.



Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 08:34:04 AM
Fulmer mucked it up by extending his contract.  Who else was going to hire him?
Simple economics.  Gotta roll off more of his contract so that you can afford to pay the next guy more $$$ so as to attract him.


The contract Fulmer gave Pruitt was mostly performance incentives. Very little $ increase without winning performance. Extending contracts for coaches are almost automatic in the SEC. The first year a coaches contract is not extended then other coaches around the conference uses that as ammunition in recruiting. Fulmer knew that so gave an extension that did not make a buyout worse than it presently was.
If you don't extend a contract yearly it would be the same as firing him which would have been impossible with a 5 game winning streak at the time.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 08:37:10 AM
Ok then, how long should he get?  If he again achieves a blistering 3-7 record, should we give him a 5th year?  What if we go 5-5?  Does that mean he earned another year?  It’s an improvement so he’s showing progress right?  that’s what you’ll say next year.  At what point will you be willing to cut bait? 

In response to @Volbrigade/oU (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1836)  Butch’s teams showed flashes of life as well, but he couldn’t cut it.  I’m glad you had some feel good moments early in the season (so did I), but the reality is that that winning streak was against the weakest competition possible.  What’s the phrase you use lately?  Paper dick?  Maybe it applies here, maybe not?

Pruitt isn’t going to be fired, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be. 

If there's no improvement next season then Pruitt is gone. I think everyone knows that, including Pruitt.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 08:39:55 AM
I feel your pain, @@Volitale .

Frankly, it’s a mess.

Not sure about the “weakest competition possible”, though.  SEC teams, and a UAB team that had a good year.  An IU team that looked good this year.  Played to within a TD of an OSU team that seems to have some muster — and might beat Bama (doubt it).

Not chest thumping material, but…

I mean, I’m not against changing ships.  But maybe we need to stop digging for awhile. 

There ain’t no fast and easy way out of this hole.  The fact that we seemed ready to stand up and start walking — only to fall so far back in…

It might be worthwhile to see what happens without a certain… I’ll be nice and say “underachieving” QB… impacting the program…

Ugh.




My guess is that if the Vols do not show vast improvement next season Pruitt is gone and Fulmer will have someone lined to replace him long  before he's fired. I would think he's got it narrowed down to 2-3 already
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 04, 2021, 09:00:10 AM

We haven't lined up our #1 choice....or #2 or #3 choice for head coach for over two decades.
  Which is why I am incredibly sceptical of replacing Pruitt just to replace him.



I suppose roadvol will blame that on the fans too for making all the bad hires.

It isn't replacing him just to replace him you answered that at the beginning of your post.  I think the past 15 years of bad coaching hires and less than mediocrity in the program has decreased true VOL fans limits of acceptance.

There's not a hell of lot we can do about the shit show in Washington DC but we sure as hell don't have to accept one on The Hill.  To many big egos and self serving morons are running the show wasting millions of dollars for their bad decisions.

Yet when we call them into question we get raked over the coals by the homers, sunshine pumpers and ass kissers because we're not supposed to be negative when telling the truth about who ever their hero holding the title of HC or AD happens to be at the time.

Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
I suppose roadvol will blame that on the fans too for making all the bad hires.

It isn't replacing him just to replace him you answered that at the beginning of your post.  I think the past 15 years of bad coaching hires and less than mediocrity in the program has decreased true VOL fans limits of acceptance.

There's not a hell of lot we can do about the shit show in Washington DC but we sure as hell don't have to accept one on The Hill.  To many big egos and self serving morons are running the show wasting millions of dollars for their bad decisions.

Yet when we call them into question we get raked over the coals by the homers, sunshine pumpers and ass kissers because we're not supposed to be negative when telling the truth about who ever their hero holding the title of HC or AD happens to be at the time.


Wow!!!....I never thought I would live to see the day that being an optimistic fan and hoping for the best for the program was a bad thing. Just goes to show some of these "critics" have lost focus. They're  more interested in firing coaches. AD's, mascots, band directors etc ..just fire anyone as long as someone is fired than looking toward the long term good of the program.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 10:46:39 AM
Wow!!!....I never thought I would live to see the day that being an optimistic fan and hoping for the best for the program was a bad thing. Just goes to show some of these "critics" have lost focus. They're  more interested in firing coaches. AD's, mascots, band directors etc ..just fire anyone as long as someone is fired than looking toward the long term good of the program.
So wanting a better coach is not hoping for the best for the program?  We don't hate the man or the program.  You've got it twisted my friend.  Would I have liked for Pruitt to succeed, YES.  Facts and record be damned though...
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: jgvol on January 04, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
May as well have hung on to Derek Dooley for all these years for millions upon millions according to some Vol "faithful".
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
So wanting a better coach is not hoping for the best for the program?  We don't hate the man or the program.  You've got it twisted my friend.  Would I have liked for Pruitt to succeed, YES.  Facts and record be damned though...
Duhhhh!!! Who doesn't want the best coach available.
Listening to Erik Ainge Show as I type and that question just came up.
He said that he would be in favor  of firing Pruitt today if he could be sure that a better coach could be hired. However he said with our present budgetary restraints and the lack of quality coaches on the market he doesn't see that happening this year.
BTW..I completely agree.
Title: Wow!!! We Are Blessed This Morning
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 11:01:16 AM
All three of the experts on coaching evaluations are on the board this morning.
I have a pressing question.
After being ranked 7th in the nation and unbeaten after 7 games the Vol basketball team lost Saturday .
My question is.....should we fire Barnes  today or wait until pre-game shoot around's Wednesday?
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 04, 2021, 11:05:04 AM


I'm beginning to think roadvol is either Fulmer or his wife. Being optimistic is one thing being blinded by the loyalty to the person is something else.

If any of you run your own business how long do you keep someone who isn't productive or can't do the job hired for. Is it three, four or five years?

The reason we got to this juncture is we kept giving Fulmer one more year that's how we ended up with Dooley.

Some of you must think this is like Tee Ball you get to stay at bat until you hit the ball.

Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: gymvol on January 04, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
All three of the experts on coaching evaluations are on the board this morning.
I have a pressing question.
After being ranked 7th in the nation and unbeaten after 7 games the Vol basketball team lost Saturday .
My question is.....should we fire Barnes  today or wait until pre-game shoot around's Wednesday?

If Barnes had Pruitts winning percentage the last three years, yes but he hasn't it's one game.

You can't weasel out that easy comparing an Angel Food cake to a Fruit cake.  

:08:
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 11:14:59 AM

I'm beginning to think roadvol is either Fulmer or his wife. Being optimistic is one thing being blinded by the loyalty to the person is something else.

If any of you run your own business how long do you keep someone who isn't productive or can't do the job hired for. Is it three, four or five years?

The reason we got to this juncture is we kept giving Fulmer one more year that's how we ended up with Dooley.

Some of you must think this is like Tee Ball you get to stay at bat until you hit the ball.


I'm serious Gym....should we fire Barnes today or wait until Wednesday?
After due consideration you must have extensive knowledge in evaluating coaches.
You obviously know more than Nick Saban who thought enough of Pruitt to make him a defensive coordinator, you obviously know more than Mark Richt who also hired him as DC.
Don't be modest....just  answer the question.  Calling me your usual immature silly names like Fulmer's wife, or a closet liberal is not an answer. .
Lend your expertise to the board....how quick should Barnes be fired? The world awaits your expert opinion.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 11:17:16 AM
If Barnes had Pruitts winning percentage the last three years, yes but he hasn't it's one game.

You can't weasel out that easy comparing an Angel Food cake to a Fruit cake. 

:08:
Tired of playing this silly game.
 OK ..we fire Pruitt.
Put up or shut up.
Who do you hire to replace Pruitt and how do we pay to get rid of Pruitt and hire your dream coach?
Title: Com'n Guys....
Post by: roadvol on January 04, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
..you're the experts. You've been mouthing for months we should hire another football coach.
This is your opportunity to shine... You're now the AD.....who are you going to hire and how does UT afford to buyout Pruitt and hire a proven coach?  Please provide your financial plan for UTAD after gutting all of it's reserves.
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 04, 2021, 10:00:15 PM
..you're the experts. You've been mouthing for months we should hire another football coach.
This is your opportunity to shine... You're now the AD.....who are you going to hire and how does UT afford to buyout Pruitt and hire a proven coach?  Please provide your financial plan for UTAD after gutting all of it's reserves.
Who moved this thread and why?  Had a helluva time finding it.  

Well, we’re done 
paying Butch so that frees up some money.  We’re on the hook for about $830,000 already because of Pruitt firing his d line coach 4 weeks into the season.  Don’t know if that helped or not but the results would suggest it wouldn’t have mattered if we kept him.  

As for 
who I would hire, there are 2 proven former SEC coaches that I’d have more faith in than Pruitt at this juncture.  Freeze and Malzahn both have winning records and can tout that they can beat Bama, so there’s that.  But of course they have have their problems as well.  I’d do whatever I had to do to get either of them.  

You’re still missing the point though.  If I were hired as UT head coach tomorrow, I could put up just as good a record as Pruitt.  16-19 ain’t hard to pull off.  Just ask Derek Dooley.  15-21 is eerily similar.  
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: roadvol on January 05, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
Are you serious? You would hire Freese?
 You would fire him before he finishes a season. 
 He had a losing record in the SEC and left Ole Ms with 28 major violations. He didn't win anything since Ole Ms had to vacate all 33 wins he had at Ole Ms thanks to Freese. If you were AD...I would fire you...lol
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Gigem on January 05, 2021, 09:47:41 AM
As an outsider, I can feel your pain.  It's very easy to get on the coaching carousel, hard to get off.  We fired our winningest coach (RC), but then flubbed his replacement, even though he had a good resume.  There is no such thing as a sure bet.  Fran was a disaster for us.  All programs suffer from this, even 'Bama.  Florida had Ron Zook, but got lucky with Urban.  Due to poor choices, A&M exited the B12 with a losing record, having done next to nothing from 2000-2011.  Always remember, in order for your team to get better, the other guy has to lose.  It's not a zero sum game.  So you either wait for your competition to wane or you outplay them, or both.  The scary part is that Saban could go another 10 years.  
Title: Re: Texas and Auburn fire winning coaches.
Post by: Volitale on January 05, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Are you serious? You would hire Freese?
 You would fire him before he finishes a season.
 He had a losing record in the SEC and left Ole Ms with 28 major violations. He didn't win anything since Ole Ms had to vacate all 33 wins he had at Ole Ms thanks to Freese. If you were AD...I would fire you...lol
Which is why he'd be a great hire.  He'd be under the microscope. 

And just in case you haven't been paying attention, we are drawing the attention of NCAA investigators under ya boy jeremy, so your point is null. 

Like I said, Freeze has proven he can beat Bama.  You can take it off the books but you can't take it out peoples (recruits) minds.  So yes I stand by my answer. 

Its funny that Freeze is the only part of my post you chose to comment on.  I guess you agree that I'd make just as good a coach as Pruitt.