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Re: Over Throw Joe
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2023, 12:05:38 PM »
Hmmm...I wonder who said that? I remember a poster saying UT would always be a middle of the conference mediocre team and Vol fans were unrealistic? Gosh...wish I could remember who said that!!!!
I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend.  It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team.  I'm still amazed that USCe beat Tennessee though, that was costly.  Then they beat Clemson and lose to ND (with a depleted roster).

Florida will be interesting next season I think, their fans no doubt are getting antsy.

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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2023, 12:14:07 PM »
I loved it GO BIG ORANGE!!

Just My Opinion for what it's worth and that isn't a plug nickel.

But Ya'll must have watched a different game than I did one game does not a quarterback make.. I saw a lot of bad decisions from Joe especially when to run and when not to. It isn't all about "hummin that tater" it's about game management and decision making

I would say KUDOS to the defense they were on the field bigger portion of the game and held Clemson to 14 points. There were several three and outs where the defense hardly had time to catch their breath. They made plays when they had to and kept Clemson out of the end zone.

Clemson ran 105 plays to Tennessee's 70 way below average for the season for TN.  Time of possesion was lobsided too Clemosn had the ball over 36 minutes to TN had it a little over 23 so the defense won the game.

Congratulations to Joe he played a good game his stats weren't great and he didn't make any major mistakes but the MVP no.

Personally I think the MVP should have been Beasley he had a great game.

Aaron Beasley, LB Tennessee

Game-high 12 tackles – ten solo stops – with two sacks and four tackles for loss.

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I thought Beasley should’ve been the MVP as well. At least the Co-MVP. Joe did what he needed to but did nothing spectacular except for one long connection and if Squirrel didn’t make a major adjustment to the ball that wouldn’t have happened. But Beasley, he was a beast. He led the defense and as a result of that no one missed Banks.

With Hooker and Hyatt in the game we would’ve destroyed Clemson by 30 plus. Unless something drastic changes between Joe’s ears, the Vols will not be a top 10 offense next year so I hope the defense improves a lot more. 

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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2023, 12:41:32 PM »
I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend.  It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team.  I'm still amazed that USCe beat Tennessee though, that was costly.  Then they beat Clemson and lose to ND (with a depleted roster).

Florida will be interesting next season I think, their fans no doubt are getting antsy.
The great skill players you mention was Jalen Hyatt who had barely made the stat sheet for 3 years and Heydon Hooker who was a 2nd string QB at Va.Tech who was signed by UT as an afterthought to back up Milton. All schools have good skill players  now with the scholarship limits but it takes a combination of great coaching and players committed to the program willing to learn.....which Tennessee was lucky to have but there's no indication that will change next year or the next with consistantly good recruiting

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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2023, 01:10:34 PM »
I was dead wrong on the game. I picked Clemson to win due mainly to the QB situation at both schools. 

Joe looked really good and 23 is looking much better or the Vols. 

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Re: Over Throw Joe
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2023, 01:16:10 PM »
Happy feet.
My favorite was from the Bama fans. 

He ain't no Freddie Kitchens. 

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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2023, 01:21:13 PM »
Remember all the debates about whether Tennessee was worthy of a seat at the table when it comes to being an elite football school?  We were told to manage our expectations, because of demographics or in-state talent or whatever.  

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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2023, 01:47:03 PM »
I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend.

Yes, and one good season does not an elite program make.  

It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team.  

And superior coaching.  
Everything I said about Tennessee football still stands.  I said we need to learn to be happy being a 8-9 win program with the potential for occasional spikes with elite quarterback play.  That's not Georgia or Alabama (elite).  Texie's premature, arrogant chest-beating is only further evidence of the delusion I was talking about.  The downside to this year is that even more TN fans feel entitled to relive the 90's.  There's a considerable contingent within the fan base that are disgruntled with nothing less than a national championship.  Likely he over-consumption of rightwing media has affected their personalities and that toxicity infects everything in their miserable lives.    

Hypothetically, if Heupel was forced to take a 5 year hiatus from college football and then told he had to coach in the SEC and had to win a natty within 6 years to save his family and he could choose any job he wanted, Tennessee might not be in his top 8.  Sorry, Texie.  

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2023, 02:09:11 PM »
College Football: 10 All-Time Winningest Programs

10. Tennessee
Wins: 854
Winning Percentage: .670
First Season: 1891


9. USC





Wins: 856
Winning Percentage: .697
First Season: 1888



T-7. Nebraska

Wins: 908
Winning Percentage: .685
First Season: 1890


T-7. Nebraska

Wins: 908
Winning Percentage: .685
First Season: 1890




6. Oklahoma

Wins: 926
Winning Percentage: .728
First Season: 1895


More https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-10-all-time-winningest-programs
« Last Edit: January 01, 2023, 03:07:06 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Over Throw Joe
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2023, 02:34:44 PM »
College Football: 10 All-Time Winningest Programs

10. Tennessee
Wins: 854
Winning Percentage: .670
First Season: 1891
Everyone starting from zero in 2023, Tennessee is not likely to be in the top 10 over the next 50 years.  

Georgia certainly will.  


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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2023, 02:39:35 PM »
Tennessee's problem was allowing Yankees and outsiders to run the university and run it in the ground.

Hiring a BAMA alum to be Athletic Director was like hiring the fox to guard the hen house. Wh0 in the hell in their right mind would ever think a BAMA alum would have Tennessee best interest at heart.

The we got Phat Phil who was out for revenge that hired another GUMP. 

>:(
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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2023, 02:43:01 PM »
When I don't like real data, I will look to manipulate something to validate my lie or change what I said 
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2023, 02:44:19 PM »
Joe won the MVP because he only has a best friend.....the Clemson QB has parents.

ESPN drove that home time and time again. (with live shots and commentary)

who knew?


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« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2023, 02:52:57 PM »
Everything I said about Tennessee football still stands.  I said we need to learn to be happy being a 8-9 win program with the potential for occasional spikes with elite quarterback play.  That's not Georgia or Alabama (elite).  Texie's premature, arrogant chest-beating is only further evidence of the delusion I was talking about.  The downside to this year is that even more TN fans feel entitled to relive the 90's.  There's a considerable contingent within the fan base that are disgruntled with nothing less than a national championship.  Likely he over-consumption of rightwing media has affected their personalities and that toxicity infects everything in their miserable lives.   

Hypothetically, if Heupel was forced to take a 5 year hiatus from college football and then told he had to coach in the SEC and had to win a natty within 6 years to save his family and he could choose any job he wanted, Tennessee might not be in his top 8.  Sorry, Texie. 
Coaching.  That's the difference.
We've had a clown show in that capacity since the last years of Fulmer.  Who, like Smart now, just out-talented everybody in the 90s.  But when other schools caught up, his weaknesses were exposed.
Heupel has sold me.  Quiet competence in all phases.  Doesn't wow with his personal magnetism -- that's cool.  He's a perfect fit for East Tennessee. He's not a poet.  But he says the right things, and doesn't sound like a doofus (CJP) or a flake (Kiffin, Dooley, Jones) while doing so.
With the right system, players, and culture -- the sky's the limit.  Look at Clemson.  6 playoff appearances.  I know, I know -- ACC v SEC.  But still...

Our first TD in Friday:  

we get to the 4.  And they flag Heup for UC.  I put on another site that I could not recall ever seeing a HC flagged for UC.  And it wasn't like he was going berserk or anything.

Weird.  The kind of momentum-killing weirdness that had become defining for our program for YEARS.  Backs us up 15 yards.  Against a top-flight D.  The difference between 7 and 3.  Or maybe nothing.  

What do we do?  Line back up and get at 'em.  15 yards?  So what.  A run play for positive yardage sets up a PINPOINT strike from the flat-footed one.  

I wrote "this is not your old Tennessee anymore."

Things have CHANGED.  It is EVIDENT.

Watched the end of the Georgia game last night.  OSU had just moved into long FG range.  And then proceeded to look kinda stupid with their play selection.  10 more yards woulda been HUGE.  But instead, they lost 2 or 3.  You saw the result.

I thought "there's nobody in the nation I'd rather have at HC in that situation than CJH."







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Re: Over Throw Joe
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2023, 03:13:44 PM »
One can see the impact of coaching at Texas, which has recruited at a high level for years (almost forever).  I'm always impressed when programs like TCU and K State do well, but then their coach gets "lured".  Fickell did a fine job at UC and was "lured".

And then sometimes a great "FCS" HC doesn't translate to FBS.

Recruiting is necessary but not sufficient, usually, but with exceptions.

 

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