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harvestalvol · « **Reply #42 on:** January 01, 2023, 03:33:02 PM »

Coaching. That's the difference.

We have a winner!

Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?

Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1

Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.

TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.

How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football

With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."

All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.

Volbrigade/oU · « **Reply #43 on:** January 01, 2023, 03:40:48 PM »

Quote from: harvestalvol on January 01, 2023, 03:33:02 PM

Coaching. That's the difference.

We have a winner!

Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?

Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1

Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.

TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.

How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football

With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."

All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.

EXACTLY.

I look at what Swinney has built at Clemson. Because he's authentic. An authenticity built on his faith.

I don't know where CJH stands in regard to matters of faith. Nor Saban.

But both share a certain genuineness and authenticity. They're to trying to figure out who they are. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that they were Christians. There is a mediocrity shared by non-Christians that neither man exhibits.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #44 on:** January 01, 2023, 03:44:49 PM »

Quote from: Volbrigade/oU on January 01, 2023, 03:40:48 PM

There is a mediocrity shared by non-Christians that neither man exhibits.

Some nonChristians of course have been other than mediocre in their field, quite a few in fact.

Volbrigade/oU · « **Reply #45 on:** January 01, 2023, 04:32:34 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 01, 2023, 03:44:49 PM

Some nonChristians of course have been other than mediocre in their field, quite a few in fact.

Caught looking at the called third strike.
Again.

fuzzynavol · « **Reply #46 on:** January 01, 2023, 05:25:45 PM »

Quote from: harvestalvol on January 01, 2023, 03:33:02 PM

Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?

Saban came in and started bringing in top-two-rated recruiting classes - he's probably underachieved as a coach given the quality of his players. Wonder what Heupel would have done with all that?

Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.

TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.

There is absolutely no way Tennessee is going to duplicate what Bama has done the last 15 years. For Heupel to last at TN, our fans need to learn to respond rationally to the 9-win regular season performances looming on the horizon. I'm afraid we've got too many still-spoiled-from-the-90's, entitled delusionists who think we're just a coach away from duplicating Bama's run. They're going to screw it up for us reasonable fans. A lot of Michigan fans wanted to run Harbaugh off, too. They're never going to do any better than under him, but I digress.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #47 on:** January 01, 2023, 05:43:48 PM »

I don't think any program will do what Saban had done. Ohio State is the most consistently good program over decades and they won't mirror that. UGA "might" get reasonably close, but the who system is changing making it tougher to win an NC.

Fans tend to have fanatical expectations. There will be a few despairing "Fire Smart" fans if they lose to TCU.

Drew4UTk · « **Reply #48 on:** January 01, 2023, 05:54:50 PM »

Nil has just set the game on its ear. There won't be another dynasty Ala Saban. There WILL be haves and have nots... uga is on the tail end of what could have been. It'll take a few years for the money to consolidate, but it will, and when it does there will be maybe 25-30 teams with a chance.

Hell.

There may be another league altogether in the next decade or so.

Like it or not, fuzz, it's all about money. Tennessee has the vols... a little titans.. less Vandy and memphis... no baseball and no basketball... and that means lots of vols- making it one of the true heavyweights of CFB..... regardless of records... 20 years of doorstep mediocrity hardly left a dent... money is the game and its a legion supporting it... Tennessee will be one of the 25-30 teams and one to league up if that happens.

harvestalvol · « **Reply #49 on:** January 01, 2023, 06:48:17 PM »

A bunch on AL players from outside the state and hometowns actually closer to TN. Sorry Fuzz, Saban is THE reason why AL had the run. They sucked for 10 years before Saban.

16 Cade Carruth QB 6-1 195 Fr Trussville, AL
4 Jalen Milroe QB 6-2 212 Fr Katy, TX
15 Ty Simpson QB 6-2 198 Fr Martin, TN
17 Amanni Stewart QB 6-2 205 Fr Bowie, MD
9 Bryce Young QB 6-0 194 Jr Pasadena, CA
25 Jonathan Bennett RB 5-8 180 Jr Birmingham, AL
29 Elijah Crockett RB 5-11 210 Soph Chino Hills, CA
1 Jahmyr Gibbs RB 5-11 200 Jr Dalton, GA
24 Emmanuel Henderson Jr. RB 6-1 185 Fr Hartford, AL
28 Michael Lorino III RB 5-9 185 Fr Birmingham, AL
2 Jase McClellan RB 5-11 212 Jr Aledo, TX
26 Jamarion Miller RB 5-10 201 Fr Tyler, TX
6 Trey Sanders RB 6-0 214 Jr Port Saint Joe, FL
5 Roydell Williams RB 5-10 212 Jr Hueytown, AL
13 Aaron Anderson WR 5-9 184 Fr New Orleans, LA
36 Bret Bolin WR 6-0 176 Sr Lemont, IL
17 Isaiah Bond WR 5-11 175 Fr Buford, GA
30 Jacoby Boykins WR 5-11 182 Soph Houston, TX
7 Ja'Corey Brooks WR 6-2 196 Soph Miami, FL
3 Jermaine Burton WR 6-0 200 Jr Calabasas, CA
42 MJ Chirgwin WR 6-0 190 Fr Huntington Beach, CA
35 Zarian Courtney WR 6-2 183 Jr Arlington, TX
10 JoJo Earle WR 5-10 177 Soph Aledo, TX
8 Tyler Harrell WR 6-0 194 Jr Miami, FL
11 Traeshon Holden WR 6-3 214 Jr Kissimmee, FL
14 Thaiu Jones-Bell WR 6-0 190 Jr Hallandale Beach, FL
89 Grant Krieger WR 6-2 192 Sr Pittsburgh, PA
19 Kendrick Law WR 5-11 193 Fr Shreveport, LA
12 Christian Leary WR 5-10 175 Soph Orlando, FL
32 Jay Loper Jr. WR 5-11 180 Fr Daphne, AL
41 Jack May WR 5-10 165 Fr De Pere, WI
48 Hayden Neighbors WR 6-3 185 Soph Huntsville, AL
80 Kobe Prentice WR 5-10 171 Fr Calera, AL
18 Shazz Preston WR 6-0 190 Fr Saint James, LA
33 Jack Standeffer WR 5-10 160 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
34 Mekiel Stewart WR 5-10 180 Fr Miami, FL
37 Sam Willoughby WR 5-10 165 Jr Vestavia Hills, AL
85 Elijah Brown TE 6-5 238 Fr Dayton, OH
43 Robert Ellis TE 6-0 220 Jr Enterprise, AL
46 Peyton Fox TE 6-4 225 Fr Pelham, AL
88 Miles Kitselman TE 6-5 250 Soph Lyndon, KS
81 Cameron Latu TE 6-5 244 Sr Salt Lake City, UT
87 Danny Lewis Jr. TE 6-5 255 Fr New Iberia, LA
84 Amari Niblack TE 6-4 225 Fr Saint Petersburg, FL
45 Robbie Ouzts TE 6-4 258 Soph Rock Hill, SC
49 Jax Porter TE 6-6 232 Fr Dallas, TX
44 Charlie Skehan TE 6-1 232 Jr Columbia, SC
47 Adam Thorsland TE 6-5 232 Soph Walhalla, SC
52 Tyler Booker OL 6-5 332 Fr New Haven, CT
51 Tanner Bowles OL 6-5 293 Jr Glasgow, KY
58 James Brockermeyer OL 6-3 282 Fr Fort Worth, TX
76 Tommy Brockermeyer OL 6-5 304 Fr Fort Worth, TX
70 Javion Cohen OL 6-4 305 Jr Phenix City, AL
71 Darrian Dalcourt OL 6-3 305 Sr Havre de Grace, MD
55 Emil Ekiyor Jr. OL 6-3 307 Sr Indianapolis, IN
69 Terrence Ferguson II OL 6-4 300 Fr Fort Valley, GA
74 Damieon George Jr. OL 6-6 333 Jr Houston, TX
63 Wilder Hines OL 6-2 240 Fr Birmingham, AL
78 Amari Kight OL 6-7 322 Jr Alabaster, AL
65 JC Latham OL 6-6 326 Soph Oak Creek, WI
56 Seth McLaughlin OL 6-4 295 Soph Buford, GA
57 Elijah Pritchett OL 6-6 300 Fr Columbus, GA
60 Kendall Randolph OL 6-4 298 Sr Madison, AL
77 Jaeden Roberts OL 6-5 302 Fr Houston, TX
62 Jackson Roby OL 6-5 285 Sr Huntsville, AL
61 Graham Roten OL 6-3 285 Soph Fairview, TN
54 Tyler Steen OL 6-5 315 Sr Fort Lauderdale, FL
67 Braxton Wetzler OL 6-0 260 Fr Mountain Brook, AL
Defense
NO PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
59 Anquin Barnes Jr. DL 6-5 305 Fr Montgomery, AL
98 Jamil Burroughs DL 6-3 309 Jr Powder Springs, GA
94 DJ Dale DL 6-3 300 Sr Birmingham, AL
92 Justin Eboigbe DL 6-5 292 Sr Forest Park, GA
95 Monkell Goodwine DL 6-4 288 Fr Upper Marlboro, MD
99 Isaiah Hastings DL 6-4 290 Fr Toronto, Canada
96 Tim Keenan III DL 6-2 343 Fr Birmingham, AL
93 Jah-Marien Latham DL 6-3 278 Soph Reform, AL
91 Jaheim Oatis DL 6-5 370 Fr Columbia, MS
44 Damon Payne Jr. DL 6-4 303 Fr Belleville, MI
97 Khurtiss Perry DL 6-2 264 Fr Pike Road, AL
57 Chase Quigley DL 6-1 236 Soph Libertyville, IL
50 Tim Smith DL 6-4 304 Jr Gifford, FL
90 Tristan Walker DL 6-1 280 Fr Madison, AL
47 Byron Young DL 6-3 292 Sr Laurel, MS
35 Jeremiah Alexander LB 6-2 258 Fr Alabaster, AL
31 Will Anderson Jr. LB 6-4 243 Jr Hampton, GA
56 JD Baird LB 5-8 190 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
40 Kendrick Blackshire LB 6-2 233 Soph Duncanville, TX
41 Chris Braswell LB 6-3 240 Jr Baltimore, MD
30 Jihaad Campbell LB 6-3 225 Fr Erial, NJ
54 Kyle Flood Jr. LB 6-0 212 Jr Middlesex, NJ
36 Ian Jackson LB 6-1 235 Fr Prattville, AL
37 Demouy Kennedy LB 6-3 220 Jr Theodore, AL
19 Keanu Koht LB 6-4 231 Fr Vero Beach, FL
32 Deontae Lawson LB 6-2 225 Fr Mobile, AL
42 Jaylen Moody LB 6-2 225 Sr Conway, SC
43 Shawn Murphy LB 6-2 224 Fr Manassas, VA
53 Vito Perri LB 5-11 178 Fr Alpharetta, GA
49 Jordan Smith LB 5-10 210 Jr Chelsea, AL
10 Henry To'oTo'o LB 6-2 228 Sr Sacramento, CA
15 Dallas Turner LB 6-4 240 Soph Fort Lauderdale, FL
55 Bennett Whisenhunt LB 6-1 222 Jr Vestavia Hills, AL
3 Terrion Arnold DB 6-0 188 Fr Tallahassee, FL
9 Jordan Battle DB 6-1 206 Sr Fort Lauderdale, FL
14 Brian Branch DB 6-0 193 Jr Fayetteville, GA
48 Prince Butler DB 6-1 200 Fr Alexandria, VA
46 Chase Davis DB 6-1 182 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
38 Marcus Early Jr. DB 5-11 180 Fr Warner Robins, GA
22 Tre'Quon Fegans DB 6-2 185 Fr Alabaster, AL
2 DeMarcco Hellams DB 6-1 208 Sr Washington, DC
26 Johnothan Huff DB 5-9 187 Sr Tuscaloosa, AL
6 Khyree Jackson DB 6-3 198 Sr Upper Marlboro, MD
27 Rodney Johnson DB 5-11 160 Fr Gadsden, AL
12 Antonio Kite DB 6-1 180 Fr Anniston, AL
20 Earl Little II DB 6-1 180 Fr Fort Lauderdale, FL
29 Alijah May DB 5-11 195 Soph Pinson, AL
45 Caleb McDougle DB 5-11 205 Soph Muscle Shoals, AL
1 Kool-Aid McKinstry DB 6-1 188 Soph Birmingham, AL
13 Malachi Moore DB 6-0 190 Jr Trussville, AL
33 Joseph Narcisse II DB 6-1 190 Jr Miami, FL
21 Jake Pope DB 6-1 190 Fr Buford, GA
7 Eli Ricks DB 6-2 190 Jr Rancho Cucamonga, CA
23 Jahquez Robinson DB 6-2 197 Jr Jacksonville, FL
39 Ty Roper DB 5-8 189 Fr Foley, AL
8 DeVonta Smith DB 6-0 185 Soph Cincinnati, OH
11 Kristian Story DB 6-1 211 Soph Lanett, AL
28 Peyton Yates DB 5-10 180 Fr Eads, TN
Special Teams
NO PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
82 Chase Allen K 6-2 188 Jr Colleyville, TX
16 Will Reichard K 6-1 190 Sr Hoover, AL
97 Reid Schuback K 6-0 185 Soph Poway, CA
98 Upton Bellenfant P 6-2 175 Fr Brentwood, TN
86 James Burnip P 6-6 211 Soph Mount Macedon, Australia
95 Jack Martin P 6-2 207 Sr Dothan, AL
99 Nick Serpa P 6-4 215 Fr Foothill Ranch, CA
48 Kneeland Hibbett LS 6-2 245 Soph Florence, AL
50 Gabe Pugh LS 6-5 273 Jr Tuscaloosa, AL
52 Alex Rozier LS 6-4 220 Fr Hattiesburg, MS
53 Kade Wehby LS 5-9 185 Soph Plantation, FL

gymvol · « **Reply #50 on:** January 01, 2023, 06:55:25 PM »

Quote from: harvestalvol on January 01, 2023, 03:33:02 PM

Coaching. That's the difference.

We have a winner!

Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?

Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1

Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.

TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.

How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football

With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."

All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.

All that money boosters at Alabama were spending to buy players before the NIL helped Saban more than his ability to coach.

That's why he's so upset with the NIL it leveled the playing field for everyone else.

gymvol · « **Reply #51 on:** January 01, 2023, 07:00:07 PM »

Fuzz as Sam Snead once said "the sun don't shine on the same dogs ass every day." Bama had their run becuse the SEC and NCAA turned a blind eye to all the money being spent on recruits.

It always been about the money and who could bring the biggest crowd to the championship games.

Volbrigade/oU · « **Reply #52 on:** January 01, 2023, 09:38:21 PM »

Bama lost 19 games between 2008 and 2021. That's 14 years.

Those 14 years have coincided with perhaps our most prolonged interlude of mediocrity in program history. Certainly since the General.

If, during that time, we had maintained our end of the rivalry, AT ALL -- instead for going 0-15 (including '07);

let's say we won only a third of our games with them -- or every third year --

not only is that 23 losses. But more importantly, it adds a big "L" on them in mid-late October every third year. It changes their dynamic, bumping them down to the bottom of the top 5 or even 10 every third year. And reduces their aura of invincibility over the entire span to some degree.

IOWs: our failure has something to do with Bama's success. For 15 years, what should have been one of their biggest challenges, year in and year out, turned into an automatic win.

I think that's fiddin' ta change.

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