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The Power Five => SEC => Tennessee => Topic started by: roadvol on December 31, 2022, 12:10:59 AM
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MVP of Orange Bowl!!!!
GBO!!!!!
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All in all a good game from Joe
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I was going to start a thread on this myself.
Congratulations, and hats off to Overthrow Joe! Throw in an "attaboy", too. But don't OVER throw it...
I think the lad's going to be all right...
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Nice game for the Vols and I like seeing a player who gets run down a lot play well.
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Great night for Milton, on target with passes most of night. He's not as much of an instinctive runner as Hooker but honestly made a few passes that Hooker couldn't. I imagine his receivers have swollen hands this morning.
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Who is this "overthrow Joe the flat footed mile slinger" person of which you speak?
You sure couldn't be talking of Dancing Joe the Dart Dispenser, could you? Surely not....
In all seriousness he played very well and I'm proud of him amd that team and coaches. If his "walking and chewing gum" aka his "statue" posture can be changed while he makes a decision, he will be a tremendous QB next year and for several years in the NFL.
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Who is this "overthrow Joe the flat footed mile slinger" person of which you speak?
You sure couldn't be talking of Dancing Joe the Dart Dispenser, could you? Surely not....
That's an apt description. He certainly has a huge arm.
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Bodes well for 2023.
If Milton can play at that level next year and give Nico time to learn ,we'll be set for 3-4 years
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I loved it GO BIG ORANGE!!
Just My Opinion for what it's worth and that isn't a plug nickel.
But Ya'll must have watched a different game than I did one game does not a quarterback make.. I saw a lot of bad decisions from Joe especially when to run and when not to. It isn't all about "hummin that tater" it's about game management and decision making
I would say KUDOS to the defense they were on the field bigger portion of the game and held Clemson to 14 points. There were several three and outs where the defense hardly had time to catch their breath. They made plays when they had to and kept Clemson out of the end zone.
Clemson ran 105 plays to Tennessee's 70 way below average for the season for TN. Time of possesion was lobsided too Clemosn had the ball over 36 minutes to TN had it a little over 23 so the defense won the game.
Congratulations to Joe he played a good game his stats weren't great and he didn't make any major mistakes but the MVP no.
Personally I think the MVP should have been Beasley he had a great game.
Aaron Beasley, LB Tennessee
Game-high 12 tackles – ten solo stops – with two sacks and four tackles for loss.
Orange Bowl Box Score, December 30, 2022 | The Football Database (footballdb.com) (https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/games/boxscore/tennessee-vs-clemson-20221230005)
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I'm not sure how much they lose next season, but I think they get a top ten preseason ranking (to the extent that is a thing).
2022 Preseason Football Polls | College Poll Archive (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=1202)
TCU didn't even get a vote. The top ten has a number of underperformers, Oklahoma included of course, and A&M. Ouch.
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I saw a lot of bad decisions from Joe especially when to run and when not to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PH5HNiZduY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PH5HNiZduY)
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After the win, Heupel said (https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/LongFormArticle/Tennessee-Vols-Football-Josh-Heupel-Orange-Bowl-win-201727307/) the outcome is a big deal for his program.
"It continues to put our brand, the style of football, and it's a legacy moment for the guys that are here that are graduating, but it's a springboard for us moving forward," Heupel said, via GoVols247. "Again, our brand is out in front of everybody. I think we've beaten three out of the last four national champions during the course of this season. 11-win season, which hasn't been done since 2001. There's so many positive things, so much momentum inside of our program that the entire country, our players, our fan base, recruits, can see the trajectory of where Tennessee is and where it's going. Tonight is a big night."
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I loved it GO BIG ORANGE!!
Just My Opinion for what it's worth and that isn't a plug nickel.
But Ya'll must have watched a different game than I did one game does not a quarterback make.. I saw a lot of bad decisions from Joe especially when to run and when not to. It isn't all about "hummin that tater" it's about game management and decision making
I would say KUDOS to the defense they were on the field bigger portion of the game and held Clemson to 14 points. There were several three and outs where the defense hardly had time to catch their breath. They made plays when they had to and kept Clemson out of the end zone.
Clemson ran 105 plays to Tennessee's 70 way below average for the season for TN. Time of possesion was lobsided too Clemosn had the ball over 36 minutes to TN had it a little over 23 so the defense won the game.
Congratulations to Joe he played a good game his stats weren't great and he didn't make any major mistakes but the MVP no.
Personally I think the MVP should have been Beasley he had a great game.
Aaron Beasley, LB Tennessee
Game-high 12 tackles – ten solo stops – with two sacks and four tackles for loss.
Orange Bowl Box Score, December 30, 2022 | The Football Database (footballdb.com) (https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/games/boxscore/tennessee-vs-clemson-20221230005)
C'mon Gym, don't pull a Fuzz , just admit you were wrong about Milton and move on .Apparently you saw a different game than anyone else...he was the MVP.
Tennessee has regualry run less plays and far less time of possession than their opponents. They play fast and score fast so they don't run a lot of plays or use much time.
BTW....The Vols averaged 78.5 plays a game thru their first 12 games.
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C'mon Gym, don't pull a Fuzz, just admit you were wrong about Milton and move on
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I have to congratualate you Fuzz.....something big did happen Friday...( Vols 31-Tigrs 14), very perceptive!!
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My opinion is just that the same as everyone else it just an opinion on how we see things. Mine just happens to be a little different than the homers.
I'm not looking through orange-colored glasses I just call it as see it.
Do I want Milton to be the quarterback most people woke up this morning thinking he is going to be? Yes I do but only time will tell especially when he plays in the SEC against the likes of GA and BAMA defenses.
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Gym's got a point (by golly!).
We had a lot of three and outs. Five and outs. Lots of punts. Lots of questionable decisions by OJ. If they had an experienced QB who could handle the blitzes we threw at him all night, it's a different ballgame.
But that's football.
There was a stretch in the game that was BORING. We get a stop, get the ball, and punt it right back to them after 3-5 plays. I texted someone, late in the first half or the third quarter, "what have we had the ball -- like, 30 seconds?"
TOP is irrelevant when you're scoring in a minute in half, like we did all year. But when you're not, your D is on the field 100 plays. I really thought when they gashed us to make it 21-14, our D was done. Gassed. I texted "if we don't score, they will win."
ENORMOUS credit to a D that clamped down on a QB that they had rattled (where were they against USC? But that was a FAR more experienced QB, finally finding a groove).
Bottom line: we won. Joe made some BEAUTIFUL throws. Both QBs we saw last night have a TON of potential. Hopefully, Joe can continue to grow into his. If he does -- we'll be alright. I don't think he's ever gonna be great. But he can be pretty dadgum good.
The "flat-footed" thing:
When you can throw it 70 yards on your knees, I guess you can get away with it.
I think Joe has so firmly established that he WILL NOT be flustered -- and he's so dang big and strong -- that he just sort of stands there. Too long, a lot of times. But -- he DOESN'T get flustered. That's good. He DOES get sacked. And that's not.
Something he CAN get better at. And might, with experience.
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Reminds me of the critics who said Manning would never make it in the NFL because he had " nervous feet"
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Reminds me of the critics who said Manning would never make it in the NFL because he had " nervous feet"
Happy feet.
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Keep the feet moving is taught now. In large part because of manning. Curiously it makes a bigger difference with mobile QBs.
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I don’t know about you, but I didn’t get to see enough of Cade Klubnik’s parents last night during the orange bowl. I was so mad when the broadcasters cut away from showing them in the audience just to show some plays on the field. So here’s a picture, suitable for framing. ENJOY!
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Keep the feet moving is taught now. In large part because of manning. Curiously it makes a bigger difference with mobile QBs.
Makes sense. Keep the feet moving -- quicker take off.
But --
one thing it took a LONG time for me to figger out, in golf:
I used to read those dumb golf magazines, full of little tips, techniques. Frame by frame of golf swings. Tiger Woods, Ernie Els, whatever... here's the way to do it...
I watched a Nicklaus vid, many years ago, tried to emulate his swing...
You can get your head in a real mess, trying to follow all that stuff. "Do this, don't do that...". LEGALISM ( LOL -- funny to me...)...
What I finally figured out --
there's not a "perfect swing". There's ALL KINDS of ways to hit a golf ball. All that matters is getting that club face square at impact. Club speed is a bonus.
There's all kinds of ways to get there. Check out Bobby Jones sometimes... Arnold Palmer...
It's WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.
There are certain techniques that are essential, of course. E.g., shifting your weight from your left to right foot, at the right moment...
I saw an article where the UT QB coach said something about OJ's hips last night. Can't remember or find how he put it. But his hips were right last night. And so were his throws.
Peyton has had just a little success with his happy feet.
Joe might be able to be successful flat-footed. AS LONG as he can take off when he needs to, from a dead stop.
That wouldn't work for me. Maybe it does for him...
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Clemson lost to two SEC East teams and ND ...
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I equate it to walking and chewing gum. What I think a linebacker thinks is "he's snapped the ball amd dropping into pocket; now he's considering running based on rush;(goes statue) now he's scanning for receivers".
Those little movements forward and back, side to side, demonstrate an awareness of his immediate surroundings and adjustments to the closing pressure and it's from peripheral vision. As a defender, you can close with a purpose at full tilt instead of holding back a little in case you've gotta change direction.
Joe must be taught to move and scan. His becoming flat footed- not even on the balls of his feet- makes it easier for the D plain and simple.
I believe that one mechanic is the biggest hurdle from him being a serviceable QB and being a great one. Its that big a deal.
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Remember all the debates about whether Tennessee was worthy of a seat at the table when it comes to being an elite football school? We were told to manage our expectations, because of demographics or in-state talent or whatever. Yeah, I never bought into that.
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Well, look what TCU has done with FAR less resource ...
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Remember all the debates about whether Tennessee was worthy of a seat at the table when it comes to being an elite football school? We were told to manage our expectations, because of demographics or in-state talent or whatever. Yeah, I never bought into that.
[img width=500 height=497.997]https://i.imgur.com/Txez6UC.jpg[/img]
Hmmm...I wonder who said that? I remember a poster saying UT would always be a middle of the conference mediocre team and Vol fans were unrealistic? Gosh...wish I could remember who said that!!!!
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Hmmm...I wonder who said that? I remember a poster saying UT would always be a middle of the conference mediocre team and Vol fans were unrealistic? Gosh...wish I could remember who said that!!!!
I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend. It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team. I'm still amazed that USCe beat Tennessee though, that was costly. Then they beat Clemson and lose to ND (with a depleted roster).
Florida will be interesting next season I think, their fans no doubt are getting antsy.
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I loved it GO BIG ORANGE!!
Just My Opinion for what it's worth and that isn't a plug nickel.
But Ya'll must have watched a different game than I did one game does not a quarterback make.. I saw a lot of bad decisions from Joe especially when to run and when not to. It isn't all about "hummin that tater" it's about game management and decision making
I would say KUDOS to the defense they were on the field bigger portion of the game and held Clemson to 14 points. There were several three and outs where the defense hardly had time to catch their breath. They made plays when they had to and kept Clemson out of the end zone.
Clemson ran 105 plays to Tennessee's 70 way below average for the season for TN. Time of possesion was lobsided too Clemosn had the ball over 36 minutes to TN had it a little over 23 so the defense won the game.
Congratulations to Joe he played a good game his stats weren't great and he didn't make any major mistakes but the MVP no.
Personally I think the MVP should have been Beasley he had a great game.
Aaron Beasley, LB Tennessee
Game-high 12 tackles – ten solo stops – with two sacks and four tackles for loss.
Orange Bowl Box Score, December 30, 2022 | The Football Database (footballdb.com) (https://www.footballdb.com/college-football/games/boxscore/tennessee-vs-clemson-20221230005)
I thought Beasley should’ve been the MVP as well. At least the Co-MVP. Joe did what he needed to but did nothing spectacular except for one long connection and if Squirrel didn’t make a major adjustment to the ball that wouldn’t have happened. But Beasley, he was a beast. He led the defense and as a result of that no one missed Banks.
With Hooker and Hyatt in the game we would’ve destroyed Clemson by 30 plus. Unless something drastic changes between Joe’s ears, the Vols will not be a top 10 offense next year so I hope the defense improves a lot more.
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I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend. It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team. I'm still amazed that USCe beat Tennessee though, that was costly. Then they beat Clemson and lose to ND (with a depleted roster).
Florida will be interesting next season I think, their fans no doubt are getting antsy.
The great skill players you mention was Jalen Hyatt who had barely made the stat sheet for 3 years and Heydon Hooker who was a 2nd string QB at Va.Tech who was signed by UT as an afterthought to back up Milton. All schools have good skill players now with the scholarship limits but it takes a combination of great coaching and players committed to the program willing to learn.....which Tennessee was lucky to have but there's no indication that will change next year or the next with consistantly good recruiting
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I was dead wrong on the game. I picked Clemson to win due mainly to the QB situation at both schools.
Joe looked really good and 23 is looking much better or the Vols.
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Happy feet.
My favorite was from the Bama fans.
He ain't no Freddie Kitchens.
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Remember all the debates about whether Tennessee was worthy of a seat at the table when it comes to being an elite football school? We were told to manage our expectations, because of demographics or in-state talent or whatever.
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I do remember who it was ... but of course one great season is not necessarily a trend.
Yes, and one good season does not an elite program make.
It's an indication as to what some great skill players can do for a team.
And superior coaching.
Everything I said about Tennessee football still stands. I said we need to learn to be happy being a 8-9 win program with the potential for occasional spikes with elite quarterback play. That's not Georgia or Alabama (elite). Texie's premature, arrogant chest-beating is only further evidence of the delusion I was talking about. The downside to this year is that even more TN fans feel entitled to relive the 90's. There's a considerable contingent within the fan base that are disgruntled with nothing less than a national championship. Likely he over-consumption of rightwing media has affected their personalities and that toxicity infects everything in their miserable lives.
Hypothetically, if Heupel was forced to take a 5 year hiatus from college football and then told he had to coach in the SEC and had to win a natty within 6 years to save his family and he could choose any job he wanted, Tennessee might not be in his top 8. Sorry, Texie.
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College Football: 10 All-Time Winningest Programs
10. Tennessee
Wins: 854
Winning Percentage: .670
First Season: 1891
9. USC
Wins: 856
Winning Percentage: .697
First Season: 1888
T-7. Nebraska
Wins: 908
Winning Percentage: .685
First Season: 1890
T-7. Nebraska
Wins: 908
Winning Percentage: .685
First Season: 1890
6. Oklahoma
Wins: 926
Winning Percentage: .728
First Season: 1895
More https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-10-all-time-winningest-programs
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College Football: 10 All-Time Winningest Programs
10. Tennessee
Wins: 854
Winning Percentage: .670
First Season: 1891
Everyone starting from zero in 2023, Tennessee is not likely to be in the top 10 over the next 50 years.
Georgia certainly will.
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Tennessee's problem was allowing Yankees and outsiders to run the university and run it in the ground.
Hiring a BAMA alum to be Athletic Director was like hiring the fox to guard the hen house. Wh0 in the hell in their right mind would ever think a BAMA alum would have Tennessee best interest at heart.
The we got Phat Phil who was out for revenge that hired another GUMP.
>:(
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When I don't like real data, I will look to manipulate something to validate my lie or change what I said
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Joe won the MVP because he only has a best friend.....the Clemson QB has parents.
ESPN drove that home time and time again. (with live shots and commentary)
who knew?
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Everything I said about Tennessee football still stands. I said we need to learn to be happy being a 8-9 win program with the potential for occasional spikes with elite quarterback play. That's not Georgia or Alabama (elite). Texie's premature, arrogant chest-beating is only further evidence of the delusion I was talking about. The downside to this year is that even more TN fans feel entitled to relive the 90's. There's a considerable contingent within the fan base that are disgruntled with nothing less than a national championship. Likely he over-consumption of rightwing media has affected their personalities and that toxicity infects everything in their miserable lives.
Hypothetically, if Heupel was forced to take a 5 year hiatus from college football and then told he had to coach in the SEC and had to win a natty within 6 years to save his family and he could choose any job he wanted, Tennessee might not be in his top 8. Sorry, Texie.
Coaching. That's the difference.
We've had a clown show in that capacity since the last years of Fulmer. Who, like Smart now, just out-talented everybody in the 90s. But when other schools caught up, his weaknesses were exposed.
Heupel has sold me. Quiet competence in all phases. Doesn't wow with his personal magnetism -- that's cool. He's a perfect fit for East Tennessee. He's not a poet. But he says the right things, and doesn't sound like a doofus (CJP) or a flake (Kiffin, Dooley, Jones) while doing so.
With the right system, players, and culture -- the sky's the limit. Look at Clemson. 6 playoff appearances. I know, I know -- ACC v SEC. But still...
Our first TD in Friday:
we get to the 4. And they flag Heup for UC. I put on another site that I could not recall ever seeing a HC flagged for UC. And it wasn't like he was going berserk or anything.
Weird. The kind of momentum-killing weirdness that had become defining for our program for YEARS. Backs us up 15 yards. Against a top-flight D. The difference between 7 and 3. Or maybe nothing.
What do we do? Line back up and get at 'em. 15 yards? So what. A run play for positive yardage sets up a PINPOINT strike from the flat-footed one.
I wrote "this is not your old Tennessee anymore."
Things have CHANGED. It is EVIDENT.
Watched the end of the Georgia game last night. OSU had just moved into long FG range. And then proceeded to look kinda stupid with their play selection. 10 more yards woulda been HUGE. But instead, they lost 2 or 3. You saw the result.
I thought "there's nobody in the nation I'd rather have at HC in that situation than CJH."
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One can see the impact of coaching at Texas, which has recruited at a high level for years (almost forever). I'm always impressed when programs like TCU and K State do well, but then their coach gets "lured". Fickell did a fine job at UC and was "lured".
And then sometimes a great "FCS" HC doesn't translate to FBS.
Recruiting is necessary but not sufficient, usually, but with exceptions.
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Coaching. That's the difference.
We have a winner!
Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?
Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1
Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.
TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.
How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football
With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."
All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.
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Coaching. That's the difference.
We have a winner!
Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?
Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1
Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.
TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.
How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football
With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."
All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.
EXACTLY.
I look at what Swinney has built at Clemson. Because he's authentic. An authenticity built on his faith.
I don't know where CJH stands in regard to matters of faith. Nor Saban.
But both share a certain genuineness and authenticity. They're to trying to figure out who they are. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that they were Christians. There is a mediocrity shared by non-Christians that neither man exhibits.
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There is a mediocrity shared by non-Christians that neither man exhibits.
Some nonChristians of course have been other than mediocre in their field, quite a few in fact.
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Some nonChristians of course have been other than mediocre in their field, quite a few in fact.
Caught looking at the called third strike.
Again.
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Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?
Saban came in and started bringing in top-two-rated recruiting classes - he's probably underachieved as a coach given the quality of his players. Wonder what Heupel would have done with all that?
Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.
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TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.
There is absolutely no way Tennessee is going to duplicate what Bama has done the last 15 years. For Heupel to last at TN, our fans need to learn to respond rationally to the 9-win regular season performances looming on the horizon. I'm afraid we've got too many still-spoiled-from-the-90's, entitled delusionists who think we're just a coach away from duplicating Bama's run. They're going to screw it up for us reasonable fans. A lot of Michigan fans wanted to run Harbaugh off, too. They're never going to do any better than under him, but I digress.
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I don't think any program will do what Saban had done. Ohio State is the most consistently good program over decades and they won't mirror that. UGA "might" get reasonably close, but the who system is changing making it tougher to win an NC.
Fans tend to have fanatical expectations. There will be a few despairing "Fire Smart" fans if they lose to TCU.
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Nil has just set the game on its ear. There won't be another dynasty Ala Saban. There WILL be haves and have nots... uga is on the tail end of what could have been. It'll take a few years for the money to consolidate, but it will, and when it does there will be maybe 25-30 teams with a chance.
Hell.
There may be another league altogether in the next decade or so.
Like it or not, fuzz, it's all about money. Tennessee has the vols... a little titans.. less Vandy and memphis... no baseball and no basketball... and that means lots of vols- making it one of the true heavyweights of CFB..... regardless of records... 20 years of doorstep mediocrity hardly left a dent... money is the game and its a legion supporting it... Tennessee will be one of the 25-30 teams and one to league up if that happens.
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A bunch on AL players from outside the state and hometowns actually closer to TN. Sorry Fuzz, Saban is THE reason why AL had the run. They sucked for 10 years before Saban.
16 Cade Carruth QB 6-1 195 Fr Trussville, AL
4 Jalen Milroe QB 6-2 212 Fr Katy, TX
15 Ty Simpson QB 6-2 198 Fr Martin, TN
17 Amanni Stewart QB 6-2 205 Fr Bowie, MD
9 Bryce Young QB 6-0 194 Jr Pasadena, CA
25 Jonathan Bennett RB 5-8 180 Jr Birmingham, AL
29 Elijah Crockett RB 5-11 210 Soph Chino Hills, CA
1 Jahmyr Gibbs RB 5-11 200 Jr Dalton, GA
24 Emmanuel Henderson Jr. RB 6-1 185 Fr Hartford, AL
28 Michael Lorino III RB 5-9 185 Fr Birmingham, AL
2 Jase McClellan RB 5-11 212 Jr Aledo, TX
26 Jamarion Miller RB 5-10 201 Fr Tyler, TX
6 Trey Sanders RB 6-0 214 Jr Port Saint Joe, FL
5 Roydell Williams RB 5-10 212 Jr Hueytown, AL
13 Aaron Anderson WR 5-9 184 Fr New Orleans, LA
36 Bret Bolin WR 6-0 176 Sr Lemont, IL
17 Isaiah Bond WR 5-11 175 Fr Buford, GA
30 Jacoby Boykins WR 5-11 182 Soph Houston, TX
7 Ja'Corey Brooks WR 6-2 196 Soph Miami, FL
3 Jermaine Burton WR 6-0 200 Jr Calabasas, CA
42 MJ Chirgwin WR 6-0 190 Fr Huntington Beach, CA
35 Zarian Courtney WR 6-2 183 Jr Arlington, TX
10 JoJo Earle WR 5-10 177 Soph Aledo, TX
8 Tyler Harrell WR 6-0 194 Jr Miami, FL
11 Traeshon Holden WR 6-3 214 Jr Kissimmee, FL
14 Thaiu Jones-Bell WR 6-0 190 Jr Hallandale Beach, FL
89 Grant Krieger WR 6-2 192 Sr Pittsburgh, PA
19 Kendrick Law WR 5-11 193 Fr Shreveport, LA
12 Christian Leary WR 5-10 175 Soph Orlando, FL
32 Jay Loper Jr. WR 5-11 180 Fr Daphne, AL
41 Jack May WR 5-10 165 Fr De Pere, WI
48 Hayden Neighbors WR 6-3 185 Soph Huntsville, AL
80 Kobe Prentice WR 5-10 171 Fr Calera, AL
18 Shazz Preston WR 6-0 190 Fr Saint James, LA
33 Jack Standeffer WR 5-10 160 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
34 Mekiel Stewart WR 5-10 180 Fr Miami, FL
37 Sam Willoughby WR 5-10 165 Jr Vestavia Hills, AL
85 Elijah Brown TE 6-5 238 Fr Dayton, OH
43 Robert Ellis TE 6-0 220 Jr Enterprise, AL
46 Peyton Fox TE 6-4 225 Fr Pelham, AL
88 Miles Kitselman TE 6-5 250 Soph Lyndon, KS
81 Cameron Latu TE 6-5 244 Sr Salt Lake City, UT
87 Danny Lewis Jr. TE 6-5 255 Fr New Iberia, LA
84 Amari Niblack TE 6-4 225 Fr Saint Petersburg, FL
45 Robbie Ouzts TE 6-4 258 Soph Rock Hill, SC
49 Jax Porter TE 6-6 232 Fr Dallas, TX
44 Charlie Skehan TE 6-1 232 Jr Columbia, SC
47 Adam Thorsland TE 6-5 232 Soph Walhalla, SC
52 Tyler Booker OL 6-5 332 Fr New Haven, CT
51 Tanner Bowles OL 6-5 293 Jr Glasgow, KY
58 James Brockermeyer OL 6-3 282 Fr Fort Worth, TX
76 Tommy Brockermeyer OL 6-5 304 Fr Fort Worth, TX
70 Javion Cohen OL 6-4 305 Jr Phenix City, AL
71 Darrian Dalcourt OL 6-3 305 Sr Havre de Grace, MD
55 Emil Ekiyor Jr. OL 6-3 307 Sr Indianapolis, IN
69 Terrence Ferguson II OL 6-4 300 Fr Fort Valley, GA
74 Damieon George Jr. OL 6-6 333 Jr Houston, TX
63 Wilder Hines OL 6-2 240 Fr Birmingham, AL
78 Amari Kight OL 6-7 322 Jr Alabaster, AL
65 JC Latham OL 6-6 326 Soph Oak Creek, WI
56 Seth McLaughlin OL 6-4 295 Soph Buford, GA
57 Elijah Pritchett OL 6-6 300 Fr Columbus, GA
60 Kendall Randolph OL 6-4 298 Sr Madison, AL
77 Jaeden Roberts OL 6-5 302 Fr Houston, TX
62 Jackson Roby OL 6-5 285 Sr Huntsville, AL
61 Graham Roten OL 6-3 285 Soph Fairview, TN
54 Tyler Steen OL 6-5 315 Sr Fort Lauderdale, FL
67 Braxton Wetzler OL 6-0 260 Fr Mountain Brook, AL
Defense
NO PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
59 Anquin Barnes Jr. DL 6-5 305 Fr Montgomery, AL
98 Jamil Burroughs DL 6-3 309 Jr Powder Springs, GA
94 DJ Dale DL 6-3 300 Sr Birmingham, AL
92 Justin Eboigbe DL 6-5 292 Sr Forest Park, GA
95 Monkell Goodwine DL 6-4 288 Fr Upper Marlboro, MD
99 Isaiah Hastings DL 6-4 290 Fr Toronto, Canada
96 Tim Keenan III DL 6-2 343 Fr Birmingham, AL
93 Jah-Marien Latham DL 6-3 278 Soph Reform, AL
91 Jaheim Oatis DL 6-5 370 Fr Columbia, MS
44 Damon Payne Jr. DL 6-4 303 Fr Belleville, MI
97 Khurtiss Perry DL 6-2 264 Fr Pike Road, AL
57 Chase Quigley DL 6-1 236 Soph Libertyville, IL
50 Tim Smith DL 6-4 304 Jr Gifford, FL
90 Tristan Walker DL 6-1 280 Fr Madison, AL
47 Byron Young DL 6-3 292 Sr Laurel, MS
35 Jeremiah Alexander LB 6-2 258 Fr Alabaster, AL
31 Will Anderson Jr. LB 6-4 243 Jr Hampton, GA
56 JD Baird LB 5-8 190 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
40 Kendrick Blackshire LB 6-2 233 Soph Duncanville, TX
41 Chris Braswell LB 6-3 240 Jr Baltimore, MD
30 Jihaad Campbell LB 6-3 225 Fr Erial, NJ
54 Kyle Flood Jr. LB 6-0 212 Jr Middlesex, NJ
36 Ian Jackson LB 6-1 235 Fr Prattville, AL
37 Demouy Kennedy LB 6-3 220 Jr Theodore, AL
19 Keanu Koht LB 6-4 231 Fr Vero Beach, FL
32 Deontae Lawson LB 6-2 225 Fr Mobile, AL
42 Jaylen Moody LB 6-2 225 Sr Conway, SC
43 Shawn Murphy LB 6-2 224 Fr Manassas, VA
53 Vito Perri LB 5-11 178 Fr Alpharetta, GA
49 Jordan Smith LB 5-10 210 Jr Chelsea, AL
10 Henry To'oTo'o LB 6-2 228 Sr Sacramento, CA
15 Dallas Turner LB 6-4 240 Soph Fort Lauderdale, FL
55 Bennett Whisenhunt LB 6-1 222 Jr Vestavia Hills, AL
3 Terrion Arnold DB 6-0 188 Fr Tallahassee, FL
9 Jordan Battle DB 6-1 206 Sr Fort Lauderdale, FL
14 Brian Branch DB 6-0 193 Jr Fayetteville, GA
48 Prince Butler DB 6-1 200 Fr Alexandria, VA
46 Chase Davis DB 6-1 182 Fr Tuscaloosa, AL
38 Marcus Early Jr. DB 5-11 180 Fr Warner Robins, GA
22 Tre'Quon Fegans DB 6-2 185 Fr Alabaster, AL
2 DeMarcco Hellams DB 6-1 208 Sr Washington, DC
26 Johnothan Huff DB 5-9 187 Sr Tuscaloosa, AL
6 Khyree Jackson DB 6-3 198 Sr Upper Marlboro, MD
27 Rodney Johnson DB 5-11 160 Fr Gadsden, AL
12 Antonio Kite DB 6-1 180 Fr Anniston, AL
20 Earl Little II DB 6-1 180 Fr Fort Lauderdale, FL
29 Alijah May DB 5-11 195 Soph Pinson, AL
45 Caleb McDougle DB 5-11 205 Soph Muscle Shoals, AL
1 Kool-Aid McKinstry DB 6-1 188 Soph Birmingham, AL
13 Malachi Moore DB 6-0 190 Jr Trussville, AL
33 Joseph Narcisse II DB 6-1 190 Jr Miami, FL
21 Jake Pope DB 6-1 190 Fr Buford, GA
7 Eli Ricks DB 6-2 190 Jr Rancho Cucamonga, CA
23 Jahquez Robinson DB 6-2 197 Jr Jacksonville, FL
39 Ty Roper DB 5-8 189 Fr Foley, AL
8 DeVonta Smith DB 6-0 185 Soph Cincinnati, OH
11 Kristian Story DB 6-1 211 Soph Lanett, AL
28 Peyton Yates DB 5-10 180 Fr Eads, TN
Special Teams
NO PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
82 Chase Allen K 6-2 188 Jr Colleyville, TX
16 Will Reichard K 6-1 190 Sr Hoover, AL
97 Reid Schuback K 6-0 185 Soph Poway, CA
98 Upton Bellenfant P 6-2 175 Fr Brentwood, TN
86 James Burnip P 6-6 211 Soph Mount Macedon, Australia
95 Jack Martin P 6-2 207 Sr Dothan, AL
99 Nick Serpa P 6-4 215 Fr Foothill Ranch, CA
48 Kneeland Hibbett LS 6-2 245 Soph Florence, AL
50 Gabe Pugh LS 6-5 273 Jr Tuscaloosa, AL
52 Alex Rozier LS 6-4 220 Fr Hattiesburg, MS
53 Kade Wehby LS 5-9 185 Soph Plantation, FL
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Coaching. That's the difference.
We have a winner!
Here's what Bama looks like for 10 years before Saban. Look familiar?
Mike DuBose 1997–2000 24 23
Dennis Franchione 2001–2002 17 8
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003–2006 10 23
Int Joe Kines 2006 0 1
Bama does not have a significant natural recruiting advantage over TN.
TN can have the same long-term success with the right coach that sticks around. Hopefully we have found him.
How one Rich Rodriguez decision changed Alabama, Michigan and college football
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28993300/how-one-rich-rodriguez-decision-changed-alabama-michigan-college-football
With a sheepish smile, Rodriguez deadpanned, "I'm partly responsible for those five national championships because if I had said yes, you wouldn't have had the greatest coach of all time, Nick Saban, winning all those championships."
All these years later, one of the most fascinating coaching what-ifs in college football history still reverberates from the hills of West Virginia, to Denny Chimes Tower at Alabama, to The Big House at Michigan.
All that money boosters at Alabama were spending to buy players before the NIL helped Saban more than his ability to coach.
That's why he's so upset with the NIL it leveled the playing field for everyone else.
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Fuzz as Sam Snead once said "the sun don't shine on the same dogs ass every day." Bama had their run becuse the SEC and NCAA turned a blind eye to all the money being spent on recruits.
It always been about the money and who could bring the biggest crowd to the championship games.
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Bama lost 19 games between 2008 and 2021. That's 14 years.
Those 14 years have coincided with perhaps our most prolonged interlude of mediocrity in program history. Certainly since the General.
If, during that time, we had maintained our end of the rivalry, AT ALL -- instead for going 0-15 (including '07);
let's say we won only a third of our games with them -- or every third year --
not only is that 23 losses. But more importantly, it adds a big "L" on them in mid-late October every third year. It changes their dynamic, bumping them down to the bottom of the top 5 or even 10 every third year. And reduces their aura of invincibility over the entire span to some degree.
IOWs: our failure has something to do with Bama's success. For 15 years, what should have been one of their biggest challenges, year in and year out, turned into an automatic win.
I think that's fiddin' ta change.