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utee94

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1526 on: January 08, 2025, 04:56:29 PM »
You're just being an ornery contrarian, I know, this is your schtick when it comes to football debates.

Anyway, the list on the NCAA website is stupid and meaningless, because the NCAA doesn't operate an FBS championship, and has no authority to recognize one, so claiming the extraneous bulljive national titles makes a school or fanbase look desperate and weak, we all know the major wire polls established the original credibility, and that the coaches' poll aligning itself with the BCS and then CFP, is where those systems obtained that credibility.

All THAT said, even those "credible" championships, are still nothing more than mythical, because there are too many schools, too many games, not enough inter-conference games, so too many data points, with too little correlation, to really make any statistically meaningful rankings, including the final one.

Which is why I find it interesting that the AP could still just decide to crown a national champ that is not the CFP winner, and it would be no less valid than the one the CFP awards.  And that would be kind of fun.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1527 on: January 08, 2025, 05:12:58 PM »
Alas, this time I'm not just being a contrarian.  You've made an arbitrary statement about the concept of recognition and I disagreed with it.  You may not agree or be moved by my thought process, but the difference of opinion was real. 

Your point about the AP is why whatever credibility the current systems ever had is completely gone.  The AP pulled themselves out of the BCS after the 2004 Auburn/USC "debacle," mainly because they were still sore about the 2003 USC/LSU "debacle."  The other polls still contributing to the BCS then proceeded to tweak their voting/formulas every year to try and line up with the AP, undermining their own credibility.  If you're a legit polling organization, do your thing and stand your ground.  Chasing the AP just admits your inferiority to them and your recognition of that fact.  Sames goes for the AP since the playoffs.  That I can think of, they've never voted anything other than the playoff winners.  That just likewise signals they're chasing the playoff format and undercuts their own credibility. 

Ergo, I have no other choice but to determine my own champion, which said champion is far more valid to me than any other.  It used to be LSU every year, but since I've been married they've alternated back and forth with Texas.  Beats me why when I visit the stadiums they never have any of the banners hung for years I've awarded them NCs.  

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« Reply #1528 on: January 08, 2025, 05:19:21 PM »
Well that's something I can agree upon.  It's college football so co-champs are fine, so Texas and LSU don't even have to alternate.  We both win, every year.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1529 on: January 08, 2025, 06:44:49 PM »
Apparently, Bama has the most SB appearances, and wins.  Or so they claim ...

UGA has two Rose Bowl wins, which is kind neat, and they have played every Blue Blood of whatever ilk, Oklahoma only the once when Mayfield thought he had it locked up.
I don't know about Mayfield thinking he had it locked up. Did he make some pop-off comment about it? I don't remember him doing that, but it wouldn't have been out of character.
The guy who must have thought he had it won was Lincoln Riley, a.k.a. Muleshoe, who proceeded to give it away with his gutless call to kick a FG (after UGA had already kicked one) on 4th and short in the 1st OT.
OU's most-played bowl game is the Orange Bowl. And OU has played there more than any other program with 20 appearances, closely followed by Nebraska with 17.
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1530 on: January 08, 2025, 08:25:02 PM »
Texas A&M is credited (retroactively) with winning the MNC in 1917 (or 1919 I get them confused), 1927, and the real AP Title in 1939 (which for some reason years later I found we share with USC).  At one time the retroactive titles were up on the wall at Kyle Field (after our entry to the SEC to match the Gumps) but I don't know if they're still featured.  

Just curious, and I'm too lazy to look up the list, what other championships is Texas (or LSU or OU or Neb) credited with winning (retroactively of course).  

Texas claims 4 that I know (two in the 60's, 1970, and 2005).  

LSU I think has like 1957, 2003, 2007, and 2019.  


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« Reply #1531 on: January 08, 2025, 11:37:54 PM »
Texas claims the 4, that are all AP, Coaches' Poll, or BCS.  None retro-active.  None from weird Temu-brand sources.

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1532 on: January 09, 2025, 07:40:28 AM »
UGA claims 4, the 1942 title is ... contested ... by Ohio State, who had the AP title that year.  I think a school should claim as many as it wants, I don't much care.

Oddly enough, UGA does not claim 1946 where they were the only major program to be undefeated and untied.

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« Reply #1533 on: January 09, 2025, 09:33:59 AM »
Texas A&M is credited (retroactively) with winning the MNC in 1917 (or 1919 I get them confused), 1927, and the real AP Title in 1939 (which for some reason years later I found we share with USC).  At one time the retroactive titles were up on the wall at Kyle Field (after our entry to the SEC to match the Gumps) but I don't know if they're still featured. 

Just curious, and I'm too lazy to look up the list, what other championships is Texas (or LSU or OU or Neb) credited with winning (retroactively of course). 

Texas claims 4 that I know (two in the 60's, 1970, and 2005). 

LSU I think has like 1957, 2003, 2007, and 2019. 


LSU claims the 4 you listed (but 1958, not 1957), none retroactively, though it's worth noting 2003 didn't win the AP poll, for those who prefer that to the Coach's Poll, which at that point was partially held captive by the Harris Poll plus six computers that some stats nerds black-boxed.  The NCAA website lists LSU as a NC for 1908 but LSU has never claimed it.  While I don't remember the whole story just now, I believe it would have to be retroactive because I know for sure Auburn's shenanigans prevented them from winning the SIAA conference title at the time.  While we may never know the truth behind that 1908 LSU team, as I've always said, what we can ascertain from that year is that Auburn has been Auburn since the beginning of time.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1534 on: January 09, 2025, 09:38:39 AM »
Alabama, believe it or not, is a recognized champion for some year, I forget which--and by what poll--that the university does not claim.  If rt4f were around, he'd know.  

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1535 on: January 09, 2025, 09:50:00 AM »
Alabama, believe it or not, is a recognized champion for some year, I forget which--and by what poll--that the university does not claim.  If rt4f were around, he'd know. 
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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1536 on: January 09, 2025, 11:24:51 AM »
The Peach struggled to stay a bowl for years, and was afflicted with horrible weather year after year it seemed.  It hit pay dirt with the SEC-ACC linkage, and then Chick-Fil-A money.

And also Peach Bowl moved into the Georgia Dome in 1993, the same year they went to the SEC-ACC tie-ins, which allowed attendance to jump to upwards of 70k. My first time watching the Peach Bowl it’d already reached bowl perfection – excellently balanced conference tie-in, centrally located to its opponents, accessible Atlanta setting, and generally good games. It was December 30 1999 and a ranked Mississippi State capped a great, rare 10-win season with a win over Clemson, whose 6-6 record was better than it looked. Clemson faced 3 undefeated teams that season: Marshall, Virginia Tech, and Florida State.


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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1537 on: January 09, 2025, 11:45:36 AM »
You all failed the assignment. I asked which titles were you retroactively awarded, not which ones you claim. Considering the depths at which we debate endless details from long ago eras I thought there would be some interesting tidbits from the question. 

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Re: Longhorn Football
« Reply #1538 on: January 09, 2025, 11:52:14 AM »
Bruh, I told you in the response.  LSU was retroactively awarded a title in 1908, though the school doesn't claim or recognize it. 

Silly Aggie.  

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« Reply #1539 on: January 09, 2025, 12:01:56 PM »
You all failed the assignment. I asked which titles were you retroactively awarded, not which ones you claim. Considering the depths at which we debate endless details from long ago eras I thought there would be some interesting tidbits from the question.
I have no idea if Texas has any titles that were retroactively awarded.  I guess you could check MDT's silly list on the NCAA website to find out.

 

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