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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: longhorn320 on July 21, 2022, 07:57:12 PM
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The NIL as bad as I think it is for college football seems to be providing the Horns with some key prospects
Namely our offensive line future is getting better by the minute
We might even have a decent OB or two so who knows
Now if Sark and his crew will just develop them properly we could be back
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The NIL as bad as I think it is for college football seems to be providing the Horns with some key prospects
Namely our offensive line future is getting better by the minute
We might even have a decent OB or two so who knows
Now if Sark and his crew will just develop them properly we could be back
Horns aren't loaded like the late 90s and early 2000s but we've had good enough players to beat the West Virginias and Kansases and Marylands of the world for the past decade. What's been missing is coaching. I guess we'll see if that changes.
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Our chances are improving daily
The spring game was interesting
I just hope we find some kind of defense
It cant be worse then last year
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It cant be worse then last year
...probably not? Hope springs eternal of course.
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I probably harp on it too much, but I think the biggest boon to Texas this season was the NCAA allowing position coaches time on the field and film room with the players over the summer.
That is, Kyle Flood got a massive (literally) influx of talent. Ordinarily, that talent would be a year at least away from contributing. My hope right now is that the extra time this summer elevated several of them to, if not "starter", then at least "key contributor".
Recall last season when Sark and Co took over. We were still in pandemic restrictions. He couldn't meet or socialize with his players. We knew there were problem players not committed to the mission. The coaches couldn't do much about that.
Once the season starts, the OL coach can't do a lot to fix fundamental flaws. Too much has to be muscle memory at that point, and there simply isn't enough time in the week to do much else besides implement game plans. The time for growth is the offseason.
I believe everyone in our QB room can operate this offense sufficiently. Someone will be chosen QB1. I don't really care who it is. If they're given 4 seconds to work, then play Texas Fight.
If not, it doesn't matter who it is. We'll be "Five Coaches on the Hot-Seat" Twitter takes.
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What would be considered "a pretty decent year" for Sarkisian to survive in decent shape? Not a miracle year, but a pretty good year.
10-2? I'd think 8-4 would be disappointing, 9-3 would be decent ...
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What would be considered "a pretty decent year" for Sarkisian to survive in decent shape? Not a miracle year, but a pretty good year.
10-2? I'd think 8-4 would be disappointing, 9-3 would be decent ...
If the fans see sufficient improvement in both the defense and the OL then a 8-4 year would probably be good enough
A lot depends on just who you lose to. Outside of OU and Alabama the fans expect a win and anything less would be very disappointing. A win over either OU or Bama would mean a whole lot
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Coming from 5-7, there's a lot of room for improvement and I think that's what Longhorn fans need to see. 8-4 would be an improvement. Of course, if it included 49-7 and 65-13 blowout losses to Alabama and OU, then it wouldn't be much fun, and I wouldn't have much reason to expect eventual success under the current staff.
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Coaches are judged by their W-L records, but that can be a tricky metric.
The collection of better talent isn't always the better team. And the better team doesn't always win. And the W-L record for a given season can be deceptive. Sometimes a team is better than its record; sometimes it's worse.
As examples, OU under Muleshoe lost twice each to Iowa State and Kansas State teams with inferior talent. And last year's 11-2 season was deceptive, as the Sooners went 6-1 in games decided by one score. A 9-4 or 8-5 record might have been a more accurate reflection of the team's level of excellence.
I would think that the eye test of how well the team is playing, as well as the W-L record, would (or should) be part of the test of Sarkesian's improvement in Year 2.
Who's winning the battles on the line, the offense's ability to close out a game, the defense's ability to get 3rd-down stops--factors like that that should reflect the W-L record, but sometimes don't do so all that well.
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Coaches are judged by their W-L records, but that can be a tricky metric.
The collection of better talent isn't always the better team. And the better team doesn't always win. And the W-L record for a given season can be deceptive. Sometimes a team is better than its record; sometimes it's worse.
As examples, OU under Muleshoe lost twice each to Iowa State and Kansas State teams with inferior talent. And last year's 11-2 season was deceptive, as the Sooners went 6-1 in games decided by one score. A 9-4 or 8-5 record might have been a more accurate reflection of the team's level of excellence.
I would think that the eye test of how well the team is playing, as well as the W-L record, would (or should) be part of the test of Sarkesian's improvement in Year 2.
Who's winning the battles on the line, the offense's ability to close out a game, the defense's ability to get 3rd-down stops--factors like that that should reflect the W-L record, but sometimes don't do so all that well.
Agree with you in general. 5 of 7 Texas losses last year were by one score or less. Several of them, including the loss to your Sooners, the Horns were up by double digits at the end of the 3rd quarter.
But then again, that's also an issue. If a team can squander that much of a lead, over and over again, then that's a massive failure as well.
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Squandering leads is definitely an issue.
How about "almost squandering leads"? That's an issue that doesn't seem all that important until the "almost" part of it disappears.
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I'd rather be on the positive side of that ledger, than the negative one.
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I know how y'all feel
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Sucking sucks.
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When the Dawgs were mediocre, my hopes for a season were pretty simple, one year it was just to have the defense lined up when the ball was snapped, seriously. Their DC (Grantham) had such a complex defense they would often be looking around and out of position. They fired that guy and sure enough, they did a lot better the next year.
Then I started looking for whether the OL could run block reasonably well. This was back in the Richt era. They would stockpile some serious talent and then crap the sofa against "South Carolina". Then of course the sole objective was to beat UF. 1-11 would be OK if the right 1 was there. Not really. Sorta.
Of course, over the past six seasons, hopes got loftier, I've noted in some ways it would be neat to be a "KSU" fan, enjoy the TG, enjoy the game, hope for a bowl invite somewhere, and have a good time. This is how Ole Miss fans explained their fandom to me. There was a Bama fan there and she said "Yeah, and Bama fans go ballistic if they let Auburn score, they never have a good time."
Expectations lead to disappointment. And of course, I'm the same person even after my team won the NC and my other team won the WS. It's nice for a time of course. Like many shiny things in life ... it fades.
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I've been disappointed since the 2001 season
2003 I thought maybe by hiring Pelini for the defense, things would be OK
10-3 with a bowl win over Michigan St.
Then they fired Frankie Solich and the curse was born
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Failure is not an option
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and we both know how that ended
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I'm pretty sure Texas will get "back", USC as well, not sure about Nebbie.
I was walking with my wife today and musing about how many games Kirby might win at UGA before he retires. I think Dooley had 201. And of course CKS could fall on hard times and get fired, but he's in good shape at the moment. Fickleness or fickality.
In 2022, my GUESS is they'll go 11-1, lose to Bama, and maybe win some NY6 bowl game. 12-2 and some fans will be ungruntled.
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I'm pretty sure Texas will get "back", USC as well, not sure about Nebbie.
I was walking with my wife today and musing about how many games Kirby might win at UGA before he retires. I think Dooley had 201. And of course CKS could fall on hard times and get fired, but he's in good shape at the moment. Fickleness or fickality.
In 2022, my GUESS is they'll go 11-1, lose to Bama, and maybe win some NY6 bowl game. 12-2 and some fans will be ungruntled.
If they only lose to Bama my guess is they will make the playoffs
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My guess is they also lose one to either USCe/UK/Tenn/Florida to go 11-1, and then Bama to be 11-2, then play someone, maybe Texas, in the Sugar.
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I like playing in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia. I could be down for that.
We should both go and attend in person-- I'd even offer to be your guide around town so you could actually find some GOOD food and entertainment... ;)
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I'd give it another shot in that case. I doubt my wife would come though.
In other news, my kid in Austin is on me to visit. I don't know when, won't be in summer though. I like cooler weather.
My other kid in Vancouver,BC also wants me to visit. She likes it so far, her company just opened its new branch there. She does web design stuff.
I've noted before the best Q I've had hereabouts is a place started by two Texas bros. I guess it stands to reason.
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Austin from late September thru November is usually pretty great. Or mid-March through early June. If you do come around lemme know, I'll give you some real recs. Unless you trust your kiddo to have that covered, which is of course totally okay. :)
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I forget when I was last there, the weather was quite nice though. We visited a nice winery somewhere, decent wines. That's when I did the Caddy driving school at COTA.
That was hilariously fun. Not as fun as baseball, but very fun.
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I know how y'all feel
0-8 in games with a 1-score margin of victory/defeat is a bitter pill.
Scott Frost's seat would be a lot cooler now if he could have gone 4-4 in those games.
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Don't you idgit bastages have your own threads for talking Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Georgia football?
This thread is for Longhorns to wallow around in self-pity and self-loathing.
Speaking of Longhorn self-loathing, I wonder whatever happened to Texas95/BrownCounty?
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havent heard from uterin lately
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Here you go, Utee: Texas Longhorn Football bites!
Feel free to chew on that while you self-loathe.
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havent heard from uterin lately
Has she had a kid or two?
If so, maybe she's busy.
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0-8 in games with a 1-score margin of victory/defeat is a bitter pill.
Scott Frost's seat would be a lot cooler now if he could have gone 4-4 in those games.
or even 2-6 if the 2 were a couple gooduns
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Has she had a kid or two?
If so, maybe she's busy.
I don't think so
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Austin from late September thru November is usually pretty great. Or mid-March through early June. If you do come around lemme know, I'll give you some real recs. Unless you trust your kiddo to have that covered, which is of course totally okay. :)
mid October thru early April
nothing wrong with December, January, or February in Austin
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Here you go, Utee: Texas Longhorn Football bites!
Feel free to chew on that while you self-loathe.
Sigh. It's sad but true.
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Has she had a kid or two?
If so, maybe she's busy.
I don't think so
Yeah she and her husband were pretty dedicated to never having kids.
We're facebook friends and pass greetings back and forth from time to time. My guess is she has less interest in Texas football these days because sucking sucks.
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mid October thru early April
nothing wrong with December, January, or February in Austin
Way too cold. That's when I hibernate and drink nothing but whiskey and barrel-aged stouts....
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Oh, the horror!
Winter in Austin, Texas.
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Oh, the horror!
Winter in Austin, Texas.
Amen, brutha! ;)
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it is rough sledding when the power goes out during the winter
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it is rough sledding when the power goes out during the winter
Would be a shitload worse if the power went out in the summer.
You know, like happens in California every year...
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Yeah she and her husband were pretty dedicated to never having kids.
We're facebook friends and pass greetings back and forth from time to time. My guess is she has less interest in Texas football these days because sucking sucks.
Yeah, she posts a fair bit on FB, along with the lady UGA and Arkansas fans.
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Yup I'm also friends with Razorchique. I don't know the UGA lady and I've never met KStateLady in person but a lot of the facebook folks are friends with her.
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I forget UGA lady's posting name now. We went to a Wisconsin game and sat together anxiously watching the scoreboard updates as UGA played at Alabama that night, before smart phones. They were good posters.
He posting handle was something like L'il Dawg 47.
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Oh yeah, now I vaguely recall her.
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She is very short and cute and funny and worked a lot in Africa on something or other.
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Yup I'm also friends with Razorchique. I don't know the UGA lady and I've never met KStateLady in person but a lot of the facebook folks are friends with her.
I've met them all
Probably why they don't frequent this place
KStatelady never made the trip to Austin???
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I've met them all
Probably why they don't frequent this place
KStatelady never made the trip to Austin???
If she did, then she didn't come by the tailgate party..
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That was some party. Gator and I didn't go to the game but watched UGA play (and beat) Florida while dog watching an old Bulldog named Pearl.
That was a good trip for me, I was still in a bit of a funk.
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That was some party. Gator and I didn't go to the game but watched UGA play (and beat) Florida while dog watching an old Bulldog named Pearl.
That was a good trip for me, I was still in a bit of a funk.
I was really glad to meet you, and gatorama too! I'm glad you had a good time.
I remember Jim paid us $100 to make sure we kept the Wisconsin game on one of the TVs. All went to charity, of course. We haven't done an event in a while, but at last count, we'd raised just over $100,000 for our charities. That's some good work that I'm really proud of.
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As well you should be, I think I put something in the tip jar, I hope, it was for breast cancer that week I think.
We'll meet up when I come out to visit Kid 2.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-harvard-university-of-texas-richest-college-oil-endowments/
Harvard’s Status as Wealthiest School Faces Oil-Rich Contender in the University of Texas
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I remember watching that game at the tailgate.
Some dude's like "why are we watching Wisconsin play Indiana?"
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I remember watching that game at the tailgate.
Some dude's like "why are we watching Wisconsin play Indiana?"
Thank you very much for your charitable donation. :)
And I hope we told that dude to pound sand.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-harvard-university-of-texas-richest-college-oil-endowments/
There's an old aggie joke about the PUF....Why does A&M only get 1/3 of the PUF ? A: Because they picked first !
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I'm certain that I've never, ever recited that joke aloud, amongst company... ;)
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I'm certain that I've never, ever recited that joke aloud, amongst company... ;)
I've often heard this is actually the truth. Of course, back in the '20's and throughout most of the 20th century A&M was much smaller than UT so our 1/3rd share was actually a good deal.
There has been some talk in recent years of letting other schools get a share, like the Texas Tech system and even the Texas State system.
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I've often heard this is actually the truth. Of course, back in the '20's and throughout most of the 20th century A&M was much smaller than UT so our 1/3rd share was actually a good deal.
There has been some talk in recent years of letting other schools get a share, like the Texas Tech system and even the Texas State system.
Tech fans love to crow about this, but truth is that the land associated with the PUF was granted to The University of Texas, not "various universities in Texas." So Tech has no legal claim to it.
The reason A&M gets a third, is that the Texas state constitution formally establishes the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas as a branch of The University of Texas. Even though the two operate independently, that language still exists in the state constitution, without amendment. Since amending or removing that language from the state constitution could actually jeopardize A&M's claim to the PUF, we won't ever see any Aggie lawmakers pushing to change it.
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I heard we passed up Yale with the endowment.
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University of Texas System passed up Yale a couple of years ago I believe, and is now poised to overtake #1 Harvard if oil prices remain high (which they likely will).
But it's an apples-oranges comparison, because the UT System covers a LOT more students and campuses than are served by Harvard or Yale. The ivies' wealth is highly concentrated.
Still, having a large endowment is better than not having a large endowment. So says my wife.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-harvard-university-of-texas-richest-college-oil-endowments/
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very impressed with Casey Thompson
not with his play on the field - that has been good, just not overly impressive to this point
impressed with his interviews and his knowledge of the game and overall intelligence
impressive young man - born leader
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Yeah I like most things about him. Last year he had some nice weapons at skill positions but as always the QB lives or dies by the quality of the oline. I wish him well.
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I suspect that--from the coaches' perspective--the biggest problem with Casey Thompson is Charles Thompson's presence looming over every decision affecting his son.
At least that was the case with older-brother Kendal Thompson about 8 years ago when he played at OU.
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So is UT/Bama up next? May be quite a game. May not. Entertaining either way.
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So is UT/Bama up next? May be quite a game. May not. Entertaining either way.
Yup, this coming Saturday 11 AM. Both ESPN College Gameday and Fox pre-game whatever-it's-called will be broadcasting from Austin.
Texas has some weapons but just not enough, and not deep enough. It might (or might not) stay close in the first half. I don't expect it'll end up close at the end of the 4th.
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Yup, this coming Saturday 11 AM. Both ESPN College Gameday and Fox pre-game whatever-it's-called will be broadcasting from Austin.
Texas has some weapons but just not enough, and not deep enough. It might (or might not) stay close in the first half. I don't expect it'll end up close at the end of the 4th.
Thats pretty much what all the "experts" are saying. I would just hope the Horns play with a chip on their shoulder and dont get blown out.
As I said in another thread our QB is going to have to play an improved game or he will be dust.
This game will tell us a lot about what kind of team we have this year.
I expect Bama to play man to man and try shut down our run game
We will have to beat them in the air to counter this or it will be a long night
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I suspect that--from the coaches' perspective--the biggest problem with Casey Thompson is Charles Thompson's presence looming over every decision affecting his son.
At least that was the case with older-brother Kendal Thompson about 8 years ago when he played at OU.
Charles has stayed completely out of the picture so far. At least to the fan's and media's perception
and as far as Nebraska's O-line helping the kid....... kids has been scrambling for his life and taking hits
not much of a running game to support him
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Maybe Charles has wised up. It would be good for Casey if he has.
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was never Charles' strong suit back in the day, but let's hope
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Horns have a big game coming up, I hear.
I was really looking forward to this, 8 or 9 years ago when it was scheduled. Now... I'm just hoping we survive.
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The Big 12 made it known during the offseason that players will be penalized for directing the "Horns Down" gesture towards a Texas player.
Believe it or not, Saban wasn't aware that a "Horns Down" could result in a 15-yard penalty.
“What’s that?" Saban said. "I have not addressed it with the team, but I appreciate you letting me know that. So, you know, we’ve got a lot of other things we need to really worry about. But I think that’s a good thing for me to go over with the team so I appreciate that.”
The reactions to Saban's comments about the "Horns Down" gesture are quite hilarious.
"Bama players tossing the horns down up 35 in the 3rd and saban might explode on the sideline," one fan tweeted.
"Thank god the underdog, upstart coach is getting some help," a second fan wrote.
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Refs for the game will be SEC refs not B12, since they're visitors.
Either way, the horns-down is clearly a taunt, no different than the throat-slash or standing over a downed player. Those get called every single time, so I'm not sure why people choose to drum up controversy over a non-controversial matter.
I'm of the opinion that these players are young men, and men can put up with some taunting. I'd be all for eliminating ALL of the anti-taunting rules and letting players do all the horns-down or throat-slashes that they want.
But as long as there are anti-taunting rules in place, then horns-down should get called the same as any other taunt.
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I think it's only worth mentioning cause Lord Saban wasn't aware
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I think it's only worth mentioning cause Lord Saban wasn't aware
Sure. And I mean, why would he be? We've only played him and his team once in the past 40 years or so, and that was over a decade ago.
Anyway with SEC refs, I have no idea whether or not they'll call it.
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I'm guessing they call it after this media shot
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Sure. And I mean, why would he be? We've only played him and his team once in the past 40 years or so, and that was over a decade ago.
Anyway with SEC refs, I have no idea whether or not they'll call it.
Huh, reading through the articles, they're saying we'll be using B12 refs. That's unusual, typically the visiting team brings its own officials to OOC home games in Austin. Or occasionally they'll use 3rd party officials.
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hah! SEC refs don't like to travel either!
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Generally, the refs are either from the visitor's conference or from another conference.
But not always.
In the infamous OU-Oregon game in Autzen Stadium, the incompetent and/or cheating refs were from the then-Pac-10.
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Generally, the refs are either from the visitor's conference or from another conference.
But not always.
In the infamous OU-Oregon game in Autzen Stadium, the incompetent and/or cheating refs were from the then-Pac-10.
Yeah, at the time (and perhaps still) the PAC was the only conference that insisted on using its own refs for home OOC games.
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don't rile up the Badger fans ;)
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As I understand it, Horns Down is only considered a taunt when it is flashed at nearby Texas players. When flashed at fans, not so.
If that's right, then is Horns Up considered a taunt when flashed at nearby opponent players?
I don't see either "Up" or "Down" to be the equivalent of the throat-slash. More like a flex.
Maybe just an arguable degree of difference.
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I believe a sports reporter asked a representative of the Big 12 Officiating office that question several years ago at one of the Big 12 Media Days before the season. In the context of taunting and general boorish behavior, the reporter asked if "Horns Down" might be considered taunting and draw a flag. The official answered, "Yes, it could be.". That was the extent of it.
The exchange was reported as "Horns Down to be penalized as unsportsmanlike".
There's obviously a nuanced context that got ignored.
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Hypothetically, if, say, a Texas defender made a huge hit for a QB sack, and then stood up and did horns-up directly in the face of the opponent, then yes I'd consider that a taunt as well. But that's something so rare that I can't recall ever seeing it occur.
If that same player jumps up after sacking the opponent's QB and runs toward the sideline with the horns up, celebrating with his teammates, I would not consider it to be a taunt. Horns-up when performed by a Longhorn, in all cases I recall witnessing, is a positive celebration, same as a high-5 or a chest bump or any number of other generic celebrations. That it's school-specific to Texas, doesn't change its positive intent.
Horns-down on the other hand is ALWAYS intended to be a taunt, aimed directly at Texas. As far I I've seen, Sooner players don't throw the horns-down when they're playing Kansas State or Baylor (although some Sooner fans in the stands do, regardless of opponent, which seems weird to me). So it can't be considered a general celebration, if it's only done when playing Texas. It is always contextually intended as a taunt. Always.
Which is why I consider horns-down and the throat slash to be equivalent.
Still, if a Sooner player is running toward his own sideline or his own teammates and away from Texas players whilst doing it, I wouldn't consider it worthy of throwing a flag for taunting.
And as I previously said, I'm all for removing the taunting rules altogether.
But as long as there are rules against it, then horns-down equals taunting and should be called the same as any other taunt.
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I believe a sports reporter asked a representative of the Big 12 Officiating office that question several years ago at one of the Big 12 Media Days before the season. In the context of taunting and general boorish behavior, the reporter asked if "Horns Down" might be considered taunting and draw a flag. The official answered, "Yes, it could be.". That was the extent of it.
The exchange was reported as "Horns Down to be penalized as unsportsmanlike".
There's obviously a nuanced context that got ignored.
And this is certainly true. It's nothing more than low IQ message board and mediot drivel that Texas has ever "requested" horns-down specifically to be treated as taunting. Mediots asked about it, officials responded, and it got reported as Texas "whining."
Just more bullshit piled onto the heap.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34551500/texas-alabama-colt-mccoy-get-hurt-2010-national-championship-game?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
What if indeed. I was a big fan of Colt McCoy. Hated to see him get hurt like that. I think it’s great he’s still playing in the NFL 12 years later.
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I can't even read stuff like that. To me that game just stopped-- got completely suspended-- the moment Colt went down. And it never resumed. We were all sitting there in stunned disbelief. The rest of the game was like a dream. A really bad dream.
I'm not exaggerating at all.
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I can't even read stuff like that. To me that game just stopped-- got completely suspended-- the moment Colt went down. And it never resumed. We were all sitting there in stunned disbelief. The rest of the game was like a dream. A really bad dream.
I'm not exaggerating at all.
That describes my view exactly
I resist saying thats why we lost but had he not been injured the game was definitely winnable
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That describes my view exactly
I resist saying thats why we lost but had he not been injured the game was definitely winnable
It was definitely winnable. A freshman backup QB with almost zero live game experience had the Horns within 3 points, with 3 minutes left to go, and possession of the ball.
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Texas chose to ride with a superstar player for the entire season. They came within 50 minutes of game time from pulling it off. Texas wins that game 45-20 or something if Colt stays healthy. Alabama wasn't built to play our type of offense (it won A&M a Heisman later).
I'm sure Alabama suffered their own critical injuries throughout the season. You play the game with the team you have. While it was the ugliest of bad beats, backup QB was the weak link, and it broke there.
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The thing is Colt was not injury prone which made it even harder to take
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The thing is Colt was not injury prone which made it even harder to take
It wasn't even a debilitating injury per se. A perfect bump between the shoulder blades happened to clip a nerve responsible for his throwing arm. Never seen this injury repeated anywhere.
To paraphrase Ron Washington, "Sometime, that's how football go".
Alabama is a better football team than Texas, and should win tomorrow. However, I'll watch because (a) I'm a fan and (b) Texas doesn't have to be a better football team. They just have to be better tomorrow for that one game.
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Texas chose to ride with a superstar player for the entire season. They came within 50 minutes of game time from pulling it off. Texas wins that game 45-20 or something if Colt stays healthy. Alabama wasn't built to play our type of offense (it won A&M a Heisman later).
I'm sure Alabama suffered their own critical injuries throughout the season. You play the game with the team you have. While it was the ugliest of bad beats, backup QB was the weak link, and it broke there.
12 years later, that game sure seems like a turning point. That was Mack's last great team. And Mack has not yet been suitably replaced. The verdict is still out on Sarkesian.
It happens sometimes. What is widely considered to have been Bud Wilkinson's last great team was the 1962 squad. He went 8-2 in the regular season (starting out with a narrow win over Syracuse and narrow losses to Notre Dame and Texas, then steamrolling through the Big 8) and then got smoked 17-0 by Alabama in the Orange Bowl. 1963 was an 8-2 year, but that team was not as good as the previous year's. Then Bud retired. OU only had one really good year (1967) for the rest of the '60s, and finished the period 1958-1970 going 1-12 against Texas. Bud wasn't suitably replaced until Switzer took over after the 1972 season.
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Generally, the refs are either from the visitor's conference or from another conference.
But not always.
In the infamous OU-Oregon game in Autzen Stadium, the incompetent and/or cheating refs were from the then-Pac-10.
Here's an example of how it's often done. OSU and Central Michigan last Saturday played the 3rd game of a 2-for-1 series. The 1st game was at CMU in 2015, and it used Big 12 officials. In the controversial-ending 2016 game in Stillwater, it was MAC officials in charge. Last Saturday, it was ACC officials officiating the game in Stillwater.
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It wasn't even a debilitating injury per se. A perfect bump between the shoulder blades happened to clip a nerve responsible for his throwing arm. Never seen this injury repeated anywhere.
To paraphrase Ron Washington, "Sometime, that's how football go".
Alabama is a better football team than Texas, and should win tomorrow. However, I'll watch because (a) I'm a fan and (b) Texas doesn't have to be a better football team. They just have to be better tomorrow for that one game.
I get it. Colt played football very physically. For Colt it was an additive deal. Years and years of hard hitting football. It finally caught up to him at a bad time. Mack lived and died by his QBs, for better or worse. When his QBs stopped being superstars he ceased being a superstar. He did what he did with essentially 4 QB’s for his entire tenure at Texas. Major, Simms, Vince, and Colt.
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I get it. Colt played football very physically. For Colt it was an additive deal. Years and years of hard hitting football. It finally caught up to him at a bad time. Mack lived and died by his QBs, for better or worse. When his QBs stopped being superstars he ceased being a superstar. He did what he did with essentially 4 QB’s for his entire tenure at Texas. Major, Simms, Vince, and Colt.
all head coaches do in both college and the pros
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all head coaches do in both college and the pros
Saban got away with game-manager QBs for quite awhile. Matt Mauk at LSU. A.J. McCarron at Bama. That type of guy. Good, but not great.
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A lot of programs live and die by their QB, but it’s not all the same. Mike Leach QBs were awesome, but part of his system. He’d plug a new one in every year. Some teams lived and died on the strength of their defense. Or running game.
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Texas giving Bama all they can handle. Ewers looks to be the real deal. Not sure what his injury status is or if he’s coming back. Looked like a clean hit ( late but not malicious).
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Texas giving Bama all they can handle. Ewers looks to be the real deal. Not sure what his injury status is or if he’s coming back. Looked like a clean hit ( late but not malicious).
you cant drive the QB into the ground which is why there was a penalty
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gave Saban a helluva game
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I'll post what I posted on an OU board today.
Texas looked like the better-coached team out there today. Alabama was penalized 100 yards, and it could have/should have been a lot more. They got away with a DPI in the end zone and a late face-mask violation, neither of which was called. They hit late consistently.
Maybe Bama looks better when SEC officials are in charge and "let 'em play."
But maybe I was wrong about the coaching. Maybe the Bama defense is coached to hit late and dirty because they can get away with it in the SEC.
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News is reporting Ewers has a clavicle sprain with further evaluation needed
Its my opinion that if no bones were broken he could only be out 2 or 3 weeks
obviously if there is a break it might be the season
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I'll post what I posted on an OU board today.
But maybe I was wrong about the coaching. Maybe the Bama defense is coached to hit late and dirty because they can get away with it in the SEC.
sometimes the PI was so obvious I was stunned no flag was thrown
I was very happy with our defense
what a difference a year makes
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Just once Id like to finish a Bama game with the same QB we started with
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Just once Id like to finish a Bama game with the same QB we started with
Yup. That's one way of putting it.
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Ewers looked elite. He dropped one into the receivers hands in the end zone he just couldn’t hang on to it.
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The outcome of this game was... problematic. I've never witnessed anything like it.
I can't really say anything else without being accused of being a poor sport so I guess I'll leave it at that.
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The outcome of this game was... problematic. I've never witnessed anything like it.
I can't really say anything else without being accused of being a poor sport so I guess I'll leave it at that.
I think any Horn who watched this game feels the same way
Excessive PI
excessing penalties of which maybe only half were called by the refs
You got to give our defense credit they played their hearts out
only a few blown plays like their long TD
I did like Sabin chewing out his players at game end for doing the upside down hookem sign
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CBS cites various sources (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/quinn-ewers-injury-texas-star-qb-out-multiple-weeks-after-exiting-alabama-game-per-reports/) estimating that Ewers will be out "at least" 2-3 weeks or is expected to miss 4-6 weeks. Might or might not be available for the RRS.
This reminds me of 2009, when Sam Bradford injured his shoulder in Week 1 at JerryWorld vs. BYU. He came back for the RRS but was re-injured in that game and missed the rest of the season/rest of his career at OU. And 2009 turned out to be a miserable year for the Sooners.
Little offense and no reliable place-kicker led to the following losses: 14-13 to BYU, 21-20 to Miami, 16-13 to Texas, 10-3 to Nebraska, and an embarrassing 41-13 loss to Texas Tech.
Horns might remember that Colt McCoy made an amazing tackle to prevent a pick-six that might have been the difference in the game.
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CBS cites various sources (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/quinn-ewers-injury-texas-star-qb-out-multiple-weeks-after-exiting-alabama-game-per-reports/) estimating that Ewers will be out "at least" 2-3 weeks or is expected to miss 4-6 weeks. Might or might not be available for the RRS.
This reminds me of 2009, when Sam Bradford injured his shoulder in Week 1 at JerryWorld vs. BYU. He came back for the RRS but was re-injured in that game and missed the rest of the season/rest of his career at OU. And 2009 turned out to be a miserable year for the Sooners.
Little offense and no reliable place-kicker led to the following losses: 14-13 to BYU, 21-20 to Miami, 16-13 to Texas, 10-3 to Nebraska, and an embarrassing 41-13 loss to Texas Tech.
Horns might remember that Colt McCoy made an amazing tackle to prevent a pick-six that might have been the difference in the game.
I do remember that tackle he threw himself at the runners knees and down he went
I still have not seen the results of the MRI but its gotta be good news
I think he will play some vs West Vir and be full speed for the RRS at least thats my hope
In the mean time we need a new backup QB I hope we have one
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Card looked good considering that his right ankle was apparently injured.
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Card looked good considering that his right ankle was apparently injured.
I think Card will be a good QB its just that our future lies with Ewers IMHO
I just hope he mends fast
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Manning will be there next year, right? Do you anticipate a QB battle between him and Ewers?
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Manning will redshirt and have two years of eligibility after Ewers is gone. And obviously, injury is always right around the corner and backups end up playing unscheduled snaps.
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If you consider the clavicle (collarbone) connects to your sternum (the bony part in the center of your chest) to a whole bunch of complex doohickies in your shoulder, what happened to Quinn is that the part where the clavicle connects to the sternum got stretched and strained. Like any other sprain, it can be minor or major. If it happened to one of us, an X-Ray would confirm that the bone wasn't broken, and we'd be sent home to rest. It would feel better after several weeks and be sore for a few months.
Quinn is an elite athlete, so he got an MRI. At this point, you can debate different grades of sprains depending on apparent damage to the ligaments. According to the news, it'll take 4-6 weeks to heal. Obviously, time frames for sprains is unpredictable.
I've noticed it can be hard for a broken collarbone to heal and stay healed. I'm optimistic that this sprain to a non-throwing shoulder, while certainly murderously painful in the short term, will be a more permanent heal once it does.
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fantastic ballgame by the longhorns. couple observations:
1 - sucks so bad about the qb. hope he recovers fully and quickly. it's terribly unfortunate we were robbed of not just 1, but now 2 games due to injury. and i'm sorry it was at your expense both time. truly sucks.
2 - on that injury note, i've always held that the bcs title game would have been a different game, but i'm not sure the result changes all that much. maybe, but i don't think so. that is not true of this game. as it was, bama should have lost by 2 tds, maybe more. with the qb, very likely more. 1st string kid is a baller, card isn't bad, and longhorns definitely came to play for at least this week.
3 - refs were awful. both side got robbed, but i think i'd tilt it in bama favor for most favorable calls. lots of pi missed. those 2 roughing passer calls were just terrible, but that one on young... i don't even know what to say. shoulda been a safety.
4 - from bama perspective, the penalties were killer, and mostly self inflicted. so so many stupid penalties. especially by leaders like anderson. just had a bad game all around, though he did have 2 key plays.
5 - as day played out, i started feeling better about that game. not due to anything bama did, but it's obvious the upset juju was out in full force, and surviving that is never a bad thing.
good luck longhorns. maybe you're back? see you in ttown next year.
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fantastic ballgame by the longhorns. couple observations:
1 - sucks so bad about the qb. hope he recovers fully and quickly. it's terribly unfortunate we were robbed of not just 1, but now 2 games due to injury. and i'm sorry it was at your expense both time. truly sucks.
2 - on that injury note, i've always held that the bcs title game would have been a different game, but i'm not sure the result changes all that much. maybe, but i don't think so. that is not true of this game. as it was, bama should have lost by 2 tds, maybe more. with the qb, very likely more. 1st string kid is a baller, card isn't bad, and longhorns definitely came to play for at least this week.
3 - refs were awful. both side got robbed, but i think i'd tilt it in bama favor for most favorable calls. lots of pi missed. those 2 roughing passer calls were just terrible, but that one on young... i don't even know what to say. shoulda been a safety.
4 - from bama perspective, the penalties were killer, and mostly self inflicted. so so many stupid penalties. especially by leaders like anderson. just had a bad game all around, though he did have 2 key plays.
5 - as day played out, i started feeling better about that game. not due to anything bama did, but it's obvious the upset juju was out in full force, and surviving that is never a bad thing.
good luck longhorns. maybe you're back? see you in ttown next year.
Thanks for posting rolltidefan
Good game
My opinion of Sabin rose somewhat when he made his players stop doing the upside down hookem sign post game
I thought that showed class
anyway see you guys next year
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Thanks rtf.
I really don't have anything to say about the game. It was absolutely crushing in too many ways to enumerate.
Anyway, seeya next year.
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priceless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdy5E-B1RcE
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Thanks for posting rolltidefan
Good game
My opinion of Sabin rose somewhat when he made his players stop doing the upside down hookem sign post game
I thought that showed class
anyway see you guys next year
yeah, saban takes a ton of heat about being evil, but he's really class. and i remember the feeling on the other side when he was at lsu. don't get me wrong, he makes mistakes just like everyone, like calling out aTm recruiting (though that was hilarious), but he's generally class about things like that. and i think he genuinely cares for his kids and the game itself, even if he's the dark lord at the moment.
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So anyway, Horns play UTSA this week.
Starting QB Ewers out 4-6 weeks. Maybe we get him back before the OU game. At this point that's pretty questionable. We don't get a bye week until the end of October so no help there.
#2 QB Hudson Card can barely walk today. He won't be playing this weekend and questionable for returning in our B12 opener against Tech on 9/24. High ankle sprains are notorious for lingering.
#3/#4 QB Charles Wright will be starting. He's a 3*redshirt freshman from local Austin High. Although the other backup true freshman Maalik Murphy is the more athletically gifted, he has one year less in the system and his skill set is also different from the other 3 QBs so the offense would need to be adjusted. He was never supposed to play this season, but I suspect now he'll at least come in for some limited packages.
I also expect we'll see backup running back Roschon Johnson come in for some wildcat sets.
This piece-meal offense is going to be tough. We're absolutely going to need the defense to play lights-out, or this becomes a very losable game for us.
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so utee you have not commented on our def play last week
you have to be somewhat happy with them
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UTSA lost to Houston in overtime and beat Army so this wont be a cakewalk
Even though the Horns are favored by 14.5 pts I'd be tempted to take UTSA and the points if I bet on this one
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so utee you have not commented on our def play last week
you have to be somewhat happy with them
Defense played well, I think we're already seeing the positive influence of Gary Patterson. I haven't commented because I just really don't want to talk about the game. I was so thoroughly sickened by the ultimate outcome that I don't have any desire to discuss it.
UTSA lost to Houston in overtime and beat Army so this wont be a cakewalk
Even though the Horns are favored by 14.5 pts I'd be tempted to take UTSA and the points if I bet on this one
I'd be surprised if either team wins by more than 7. This is going to be a really tough game for us, for a lot of reasons.
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Update from the press conference, freshman backup (and current redshirt) QB Maalik Murphy was already injured, so it'll have to be Charles Wright and if anything happens to him, then it's a walk-on or a running back, starting at QB.
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sounds like that iowa rb hating god has turned his sights to horn qbs
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Malik Murphy is a very physically gifted QB (mostly set to power run). However, he was seriously injured in his high school championship game. He's been rehabbing a long time, but I'm not surprised to learn he's still not 100%.
High ankle sprains are something I can speak on with more experience than I'd like. That's the least helpful description in sports. Could be a twisted ankle. Could be debilitating for an entire season or longer. All the ligaments that connect the foot to the leg do weird jobs. There's no "common" way they get hurt. They're all unique and take their own unique time frame to heal.
They're deceiving because the injury doesn't really show up until the next day. You know your ankle is hurt, and it's painful to walk on, but you can still do it. It's just very uncomfortable. I could jog and run peg-leg like even.
The next morning, once the tissue has had time to get inflamed and engorged, it's impossible to use the leg. The foot and ankle are swollen, and it hurts to be vertical or have the foot touch the ground. Recovery times are all over the map.
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Coaches won't say it outright because why give anything away to your opponent, but it's obvious it'll be Wright starting. Ewers is out for many weeks and there's no way Card will be able to practice this week, which means it'd be stupid to try and play him on Saturday even if he's feeling a lot better (which he most likely won't be, anyway).
3rd string freshman Wright, walk-on Ben Ballard, and backup running back who played QB in high school 5 years ago Roschon Johnson, are our 1-2-3 for the foreseeable future.
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Im thinking Wright will start and Card will be held in reserve and used only if needed
this assumes Card will not feel good enough to practice this week but by Sat feels much better
Wright is a local to Austin and transferred to the Horns when an opportunity opened up
He has always wanted to be a Horn and is very excited at the chance to start
video of Wright in HS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obLrgZp8NTk
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Hoping we don't need to even consider playing Card at all. But UTSA isn't ULM, they're going to be a tougher opponent.
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I'm sure Roschon Johnson is a kind man who loves his momma. He plays football, though, like the world hurt his puppy.
For those of us who wanted to know what would happen if RoJo, Bijan, and Kelian Robinson all lined up in the backfield, this might be the time.
We don't have time to teach it, but Texas would run the most psychotic flexbone offense in history.
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I'm sure Roschon Johnson is a kind man who loves his momma. He plays football, though, like the world hurt his puppy.
For those of us who wanted to know what would happen if RoJo, Bijan, and Kelian Robinson all lined up in the backfield, this might be the time.
We don't have time to teach it, but Texas would run the most psychotic flexbone offense in history.
I always wanted to see Texas run the flexbone when we had James Brown, Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, and Shon Mitchell all in the same backfield.
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I'm sure Roschon Johnson is a kind man who loves his momma. He plays football, though, like the world hurt his puppy.
For those of us who wanted to know what would happen if RoJo, Bijan, and Kelian Robinson all lined up in the backfield, this might be the time.
We don't have time to teach it, but Texas would run the most psychotic flexbone offense in history.
I'd be watching
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I used to get to the stadium early just to watch the band come in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3Ypdr6kqg
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Me too.
I don't miss having the track inside the football stadium, since it resulted in the seats being so far away from the sidelines. But I do miss the band being able to march in formation all the way around the track on the perimeter of the field, before taking the field in formation.
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I was so thoroughly sickened by the ultimate outcome that I don't have any desire to discuss it.
ymmv, but I've always been of the mindset that it's easier for me to take a thorough beating, like our bowl game against K-State last year, than a nail-biting loss that you feel like you could've won.
I mean, ass-kickings don't feel good either, but I'd rather that because it doesn't leave me with any sense of woulda/shoulda/coulda.
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I felt bad after this loss but actually today Im much more optimistic about our path we are on
being embarrassed feels much worse then losing a close ooc game
respect is what we need and I think we might have gotten some after last week
anyway this week we get to see if a team even needs a quarterback
should be fun
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Betting line is currently Texas -12.5 and the O/U has moved up to 61. I guess they're expecting more offense than last week. We'll see.
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A medical miracle has happened
Card will start next Sat
(https://i.imgur.com/EZI3VBm.png)
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A medical miracle has happened
Card will start next Sat
(https://i.imgur.com/EZI3VBm.png)
https://youtu.be/CwNnJooRtNc?t=426 (https://youtu.be/CwNnJooRtNc?t=426)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DaY8-Mui0I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7zNY0I5JNI
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BTW the Horns got jobbed last saturday,it's not like they could stand pat F****** up one call in the endzone they had to prove that was no fluke and went for the exacta,SMDH
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Sarkisian: "You guys can keep poking the bear on what I do at QB. At the end of the day, I'm not going to give you game-planning decisions on how we practice. There's a reason you guys don't come to practice. If I wanted you to know who took snaps, I'd let you come to practice."
so I guess we might have to get the DOJ in on this
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I'm cool with that. I think sports mediots often have a sense of entitlement, and clearly some coaches don't think the same way.
Do the FANS really need to know who the starting QB is going to be? Just watch the game.
These things are basically done for the gambling industry, and in my opinion, eff those guys.
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Sark reported that both injuries (Quinn's chest, Hudson's ankle) wouldn't require surgery. As weird as it is, that means that both players will be active when they can tolerate the discomfort. You might re-aggravate an injury, but you won't make it worse by playing.
Quinn's collarbone is sore at the point where it meets his breastbone. Non-throwing shoulder. That could range anywhere from from "It still hurts to breathe" to "It feels fine". The day he decides it feels good enough to have a DT knock him to the ground on it is the day he's ready to play.
Card's ankle is an even more unknown quantity. It isn't structural, so if he can run on it, he's ready. That could have happened Wednesday, it may not happen until December. There's no such thing as a "typical ankle sprain".
Really, from UTSA's perspective, it doesn't really matter. All three QBs want to operate the offense in the same manner. Bijan is your first thought. Otherwise, read your passing formation versus the defense. Somebody will be open.
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Reggie McNcNeal was one of the best to ever grace the Maroon and White (he took down #1 rated OU in 2002) but he had problems with his ankles off and on. Playing in Fran's option offense in later years made it worse.
Some players are great, until they get the nagging ankle injuries and then they are never the same.
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Reggie McNcNeal was one of the best to ever grace the Maroon and White (he took down #1 rated OU in 2002) but he had problems with his ankles off and on. Playing in Fran's option offense in later years made it worse.
Some players are great, until they get the nagging ankle injuries and then they are never the same.
gee thanks for the comforting words there
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gee thanks for the comforting words there
Dems are the breaks !
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Dems are the breaks !
we dont know anything right now about it and you have him on his death bed
sheeesh
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https://youtu.be/wLJ3YZKa9B8
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we dont know anything right now about it and you have him on his death bed
sheeesh
Nah, he'll probably be back in a week or two. I was just remarking about how a high ankle sprain can take a long time to heal, even until the next season or never sometimes.
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One "insider" is saying Card will start tomorrow.
But it's Chip Brown and he's wrong at least 75% of the time, so I'm expecting it actually means they had to amputate Card's entire leg below the hip.
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One "insider" is saying Card will start tomorrow.
But it's Chip Brown and he's wrong at least 75% of the time, so I'm expecting it actually means they had to amputate Card's entire leg below the hip.
Steve Austin would be jealous
I still think they start our 3rd stringer with Card in reserve
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Reggie McNcNeal was one of the best to ever grace the Maroon and White (he took down #1 rated OU in 2002) but he had problems with his ankles off and on. Playing in Fran's option offense in later years made it worse.
Some players are great, until they get the nagging ankle injuries and then they are never the same.
Yep! Worst injury I ever had was technically a "high ankle sprain".
If you consider the five major ligaments attaching the foot to the leg, I blew the guts out of three of them. I say "guts" because a ligament has a thick cord running on the perimeter and a lot of tissue inside. As long as the cords aren't torn, you don't get surgery. The "guts" will grow back on their own. In my case, it took over 6 months for the leg to bear weight without crutches. I could walk in a straight line at 8 months. Over a year before I could walk normally. After 18 months, I could begin running again.
Now, the "turf toe" injury on the other foot went untreated. Worst decision I ever made. The toe doesn't point straight. Limits my ability to accelerate. Pops out of socket.
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Because Card could continue to play while injured tells me its not a real serious sprain and he'll be ready to go in a few weeks
maybe sooner then that who knows
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Because Card could continue to play while injured tells me its not a real serious sprain and he'll be ready to go in a few weeks
maybe sooner then that who knows
Turns out, I'm well versed in ankle injuries.
The thing about high ankle sprains: I finished the practice (played for over an hour) on the injury I described above. I was limping when I came to the car, and my wife asked me what was wrong. I told her about twisting my ankle.
When I took off my sock, my leg had already begun to swell and look ugly. She asked if I wanted to head to the ER. I shrugged it off. She pointed to our 6 month old daughter and explained that if I didn't want to go now, then I could just suffer through tonight, because she wasn't waking up the baby later on when I started complaining. I went to the ER.
The tale here is that, in the immediate aftermath of the injury, the leg was just sore. I could hobble sort of peg-legged style. I'm not fast anyway, but I kept up.
The next morning, it hurt to have the leg be vertical. Bearing weight was out of the question. Ankle sprains usually take 12 hours or so to fully realize themselves.
Hudson Card could be in any conceivable condition right now from ready to play to out for the season. Sark wants that information kept private. Everyone else is helping besides Chip.
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Turns out, I'm well versed in ankle injuries.
The thing about high ankle sprains: I finished the practice (played for over an hour) on the injury I described above. I was limping when I came to the car, and my wife asked me what was wrong. I told her about twisting my ankle.
When I took off my sock, my leg had already begun to swell and look ugly. She asked if I wanted to head to the ER. I shrugged it off. She pointed to our 6 month old daughter and explained that if I didn't want to go now, then I could just suffer through tonight, because she wasn't waking up the baby later on when I started complaining. I went to the ER.
The tale here is that, in the immediate aftermath of the injury, the leg was just sore. I could hobble sort of peg-legged style. I'm not fast anyway, but I kept up.
The next morning, it hurt to have the leg be vertical. Bearing weight was out of the question. Ankle sprains usually take 12 hours or so to fully realize themselves.
Hudson Card could be in any conceivable condition right now from ready to play to out for the season. Sark wants that information kept private. Everyone else is helping besides Chip.
Reports are that this week he was taking snaps so again I dont think his sprain is of a non weight bearing kind
He seems to be progressing and Im guessing he improves daily
Can he actually come into a game Sark aint sayin so we'll just have to wait and see
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Wright received some other FBS offers. It's not like he's a walk-on. If the o-line can play as well as it has the past two weeks, and we lean on the running game pretty heavily, there's no reason Wright shouldn't be able to manage a win for the team.
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Wright received some other FBS offers. It's not like he's a walk-on. If the o-line can play as well as it has the past two weeks, and we lean on the running game pretty heavily, there's no reason Wright shouldn't be able to manage a win for the team.
which will help this team in more ways then just winning this game
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Horns took care of business tonight
Last year we would have lost this game
UTSA will win a lot of games this year
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Horns took care of business tonight
Last year we would have lost this game
UTSA will win a lot of games this year
So, who played QB?
I was in Lincoln and didn't get to see anything of your game.
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So, who played QB?
I was in Lincoln and didn't get to see anything of your game.
Card played entire game
He actually had a 30 yard run on one play
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Good for him! I guess his high ankle sprain has turned out to be of the milder variety.
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not to be out done, the silly Sooner QB had a 60 yard run for a TD in Lincoln
no threat of a sprained ankle vs the Husker defense
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Good for him! I guess his high ankle sprain has turned out to be of the milder variety.
He was limping really badly by the end of the game. He's not anywhere close to 100% but I guess the coaches just don't trust the 3rd stinger at all.
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That was absolutely the type of game that Texas either loses or has to bat down passes at the end to preserve a win.
The UTSA QB and his receivers can win games largely by themselves. Their OL was patchwork, and the Texas defense made it even more so, but it didn't matter. He got the ball out quick and on target! That first drive took over 8 minutes, as UTSA kept just barely squeaking 3rd downs over the line. Some weak tackling and failure to rally to the ball by the Texas defense helped that out a lot. I'm sure that film will be reviewed.
The beginning game plan was to see if Bijan could simply run off tackle for a win. UTSA knew that plan, and stacked up to see what would happen next. Fair play to them. Texas, unlike years past, mixed in just enough short yardage passing to push the defense back. That let the OL breathe enough to get a running game going.
In the end, Texas had more athletes for longer. In a game that was more mental than anything else, Texas finally landed the kill shot when they had a plucky fighter on the ropes (after having the 'targeting' statue rewritten for dramatic effect).
Jeff Traylor got everything out of his team, who were more than willing to celebrate a win over Texas. As you'd expect, Texas had more athletes to throw at the problem.
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Yup, gritty game that a lot of other Texas teams over the past decade would have lost.
Their QB, Frank Harris, was incredibly impressive. Crazily elusive and smart, still able to make sure throws when whilst on the run. And the receivers were very sure-handed.
I would have been glad to get out with a 1-point win but it was also nice to see the Horns respond with force and open up the game. UTSA scored their last TD with 9 minutes left in the second, after that it was a Texas 27-3 ballgame, so it was more than just a matter of their athletes wearing down while ours didn't. The Texas defense went from bend-and-break, to bend-but-don't-break, to attack and create havoc, over the course of 60 minutes.
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Texas Tech and UTSA look very much alike in the offensive attack so UT wont be shell shocked when they see it
TT does not have as good a QB or defense however so I look for a UT win
Texas is only favored by 4.5 pts so Vegas thinks it will be a dogfight
I dont share that opinion
Horns by 15
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I think a lot of Vegas is still the bettors trying to convince themselves that this is a different Texas team - one that won't show promise of what could be, but then lose their nerve when the pressure builds. Frankly, I still share their skepticism.
My daughter texted me that DKR went dead silent after the UTSA onside kick and double pass to make the score 17-7. I reminded her that Texas fans were collapsing into the same trauma abuse mentality that's defined the last decade (or more). Fortunately, the team isn't that team any longer. They got off the deck, the coaches used the data they had and changed the plan, and altered the outcome.
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Ive watched TT play twice this year
They have a good passing attack and the normal rushing attack which is weak
The key to beating them is ball control and we have plenty of that
we have a much better pass defense then last year
the longer we keep them on defense the better chance of winning so I look for us to have two backs gaining over 100 yards each
Im assuming Card will be near 100% if not then we will have a problem
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I'm definitely not assuming Card will be anywhere close to 100%, he was having trouble just walking by the end of the game. This looks to be a nagging injury that's going to last for a while.
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Nothing like winning to take the pain away
I was a little surprised we didnt see out 3rd string QB play late in the 4th Qtr
last week
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yeah me too. I can only assume it means the coaches have about zero faith in him. Which is a bad place to be, when you have lingering injuries to your #1 and #2.
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I read that Ewers is doing very well and might start a lot sooner then originally estimated
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/quinn-ewers-injury-update-texas-star-qb-back-at-practice-as-timetable-for-return-reportedly-improves/
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Sure hope so. With Card gimping around, I think we only have a slightly better than even chance at beating Texas Tech and West Virginia over the next 2 weeks. And zero chance at beating OU the week after that.
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Ewers was looking great before his injury. Obviously just a part of one game that I saw, but he looks like he could really be something special.
Weird that Texas QBs keep getting their shoulders injured against Bama.
Or is it?
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Ewers was looking great before his injury. Obviously just a part of one game that I saw, but he looks like he could really be something special.
Weird that Texas QBs keep getting their shoulders injured against Bama.
Or is it?
inquiring minds want to know
news at 11
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Several sources are reporting the Ewers could start against Tech Saturday.
They also say our other two QBs are near 100%
If true that would be amazing
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That'd be welcome news if it happens.
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Sure hope so. With Card gimping around, I think we only have a slightly better than even chance at beating Texas Tech and West Virginia over the next 2 weeks. And zero chance at beating OU the week after that.
I'll be that guy and quote myself here.
My prediction, we won't beat West Virginia if we trot out Card on a gimpy leg again this week.
But, here are some official-looking stats on an official-looking infographic from a guy on the internet that says Texas should win. I'd be delighted if he's correct.
(https://i.imgur.com/qHV3Nbx.png)
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And it has fancy color-coded sections, so you know it's legit.
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So does anyone know whos starting for UT tomorrow?
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some very good signs for the Horns in the OU game
Our defense played very well taking away their rushing game
Ewers was very accurate in the passing attack
Our running backs executed well and had a lot of yards after contact
I thought Sark coached well making very few mistakes
Not suggesting we played a top ten team but we took care of business doing what we had to do
Im pretty sure we came away from this game with few injuries and a mind set to take us to the next rung on the latter
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some very good signs for the Horns in the OU game
Our defense played very well taking away their rushing game
Ewers was very accurate in the passing attack
Our running backs executed well and had a lot of yards after contact
I thought Sark coached well making very few mistakes
Not suggesting we played a top ten team but we took care of business doing what we had to do
Im pretty sure we came away from this game with few injuries and a mind set to take us to the next rung on the latter
I wouldn't say that Ewers was "very accurate." He wasn't bad, but he missed some wide (and I do mean wide) open receivers.
Sark called off the dogs or it could have been 79-0.
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I wouldn't say that Ewers was "very accurate." He wasn't bad, but he missed some wide (and I do mean wide) open receivers.
Sark called off the dogs or it could have been 79-0.
1st game back so Id cut him a little slack
He will get better
Sark should have called off the dogs Im glad he did
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He's only played 2.25 college games so yeah, he has some upside.
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Yep. And it was his first game back. I'm not criticizing him, just noting that his passing was not razor-sharp.
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I wouldn't say that Ewers was "very accurate." He wasn't bad, but he missed some wide (and I do mean wide) open receivers.
Missing open receivers is not seeing the field, lacking accuracy would be missing guys you're trying to throw to.
Re: accuracy, Ewers made 3-4 throws that were impressive as hell. Throws I simply don't see college QBs make that often.
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He had one pretty bad series where he had two incompletions and the interception. Other than that he was pretty solid. He's definitely proven he's the starter.
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Missing open receivers is not seeing the field, lacking accuracy would be missing guys you're trying to throw to.
Re: accuracy, Ewers made 3-4 throws that were impressive as hell. Throws I simply don't see college QBs make that often.
By "missing," I meant "threw at and missed," not "didn't see."
Yes, he did make some great throws. He also missed on some. Which is to be expected after returning from an injury.
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The Horns play Iowa St this week
Iowa State is 3 and 3
They lost to Baylor Kansas and Kansas St by a combined 11 points and have a team that will test the Horns
the early line favors the Horns by 14
but I think this could be a trap game and the Horns better be ready to play
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Last year the Horns lost to Iowa St by 30 to 7 so there might be a chip on the shoulder attitude from the Horns
Lets hope so
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Last year the Horns lost in embarrassing fashion to almost every B12 team they played, so I'd hope they'd be eager to change that, every single week.
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Last year the Horns lost in embarrassing fashion to almost every B12 team they played, so I'd hope they'd be eager to change that, every single week.
Still maintain it's my fault. Killer run while I lived there and made some games each season. They haven't been the same starting since when I left. Hardly a coincidence, obviously.
Mrs. DeTiger wouldn't mind living there. Since we started getting away there and visiting friends every so often she's really grown to like the place.
It's unknown how her presence would affect my mojo for the team. Would need to be tested. This is all very scientific.
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Oh it's definitely your fault. You need to get back to the ATX, ASAP.
I'll even buy your lunch at the Louisiana Longhorn in Round Rock. ;)
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Not to stray too far off topic, but I wonder how I'd like that anymore.
Austin was not a small place when I lived there, but still, it's grown beyond what I recognize in a lot of ways. I always said Austin was just about the biggest size city I was willing to live in. Now there's many more people and much worse traffic.
San Marcos is still tolerable, but even that place has lost the small-town charm it had while I was there.
And you know how the old song goes....applies especially to me.....all my exes live in Texas. I kinda just wanna hang my hat in Tennessee.
But plz just get me out of southeast Texas. I'm done with the mosquitoes, humidity and the annual hurricane watching.
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Not to stray too far off topic, but I wonder how I'd like that anymore.
Austin was not a small place when I lived there, but still, it's grown beyond what I recognize in a lot of ways. I always said Austin was just about the biggest size city I was willing to live in. Now there's many more people and much worse traffic.
San Marcos is still tolerable, but even that place has lost the small-town charm it had while I was there.
And you know how the old song goes....applies especially to me.....all my exes live in Texas. I kinda just wanna hang my hat in Tennessee.
But plz just get me out of southeast Texas. I'm done with the mosquitoes, humidity and the annual hurricane watching.
I thought you were in northeast Texas
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This is the B12 message board. Going off-topic is kind of our thing.
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Upon deep reflection, if Texas had Ewers all year, they would be top ten ranked, even at 5-1. And they could have been 6-0 obviously, which would suggest they are "back".
I agree the ISU game could be a trap game.
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Every game Texas plays is a "trap" game. Kinda like UGA, the other guys want to play their best, and see it as a chance to knock off the big guy and really make a statement.
Texas certainly doesn't have the panache built up yet to expect the other side to lay down and panic. They're gonna get the best shot. If they don't match it early, they give the believers a chance.
How many times last season did I beg Texas to land that 3rd or 4th score body blow that sends the opponent's offense into a panic game plan? Texas just couldn't finish. Either the defense would leak a FG or a TD to keep it manageable, or the offense would post a 3 and out. If Texas is up 21-0 at the end of the 1st quarter, ISU realizes the dream isn't coming true. The players start to press. The game plan picks up a tempo it can't handle. Texas has an easy rest of the game.
Conversely, a 10-7 score, particularly with a turnover or something, keeps the blender-birds giving it their all. They're flush with energy and belief. The game becomes a grind where Texas has to keep from mentally breaking as well.
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Every game Texas plays is a "trap" game. Kinda like UGA, the other guys want to play their best, and see it as a chance to knock off the big guy and really make a statement.
Texas certainly doesn't have the panache built up yet to expect the other side to lay down and panic. They're gonna get the best shot. If they don't match it early, they give the believers a chance.
How many times last season did I beg Texas to land that 3rd or 4th score body blow that sends the opponent's offense into a panic game plan? Texas just couldn't finish. Either the defense would leak a FG or a TD to keep it manageable, or the offense would post a 3 and out. If Texas is up 21-0 at the end of the 1st quarter, ISU realizes the dream isn't coming true. The players start to press. The game plan picks up a tempo it can't handle. Texas has an easy rest of the game.
Conversely, a 10-7 score, particularly with a turnover or something, keeps the blender-birds giving it their all. They're flush with energy and belief. The game becomes a grind where Texas has to keep from mentally breaking as well.
I knew Texas was back when we came back and tied Tech at the end of the 4th Qtr
We would never have been able to do that last year
stay healthy Ewers
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I don't think it's particularly debatable that Texas would be 6-0 if Alabama hadn't cheap-shotted Ewers onto the bench for 3.75 games.
But that doesn't mean we don't have other major issues. The defense played well on Saturday, and they played pretty well against WVU, but they had a terrible game against Tech, and a terrible second half against UTSA the week before that.
We've now seen two weeks in a row where the team didn't let off the gas in the second half, though, and that's certainly encouraging.
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This is still a game played by 18-22 year olds. Mental toughness has to be earned. You need to see some success, so you know what habits and traits lead to it.
Texas is realizing that, if they do their job, they can largely rely on their teammates to do theirs. The result is always better than trying to cover all spots on the field (this never works throughout a game).
The Alabamas and Georgias of the world wait to see how they're going to win in the end. Texas is still casting off the "Oh no! Here we go again!" mind trap. It's getting much better, but only experience makes you mentally strong.
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But plz just get me out of southeast Texas. I'm done with the mosquitoes, humidity and the annual hurricane watching.
Yep, it's horrible. Please move from here ASAP. Thank you for your support.
On a serious note, I'm about sick of the same things you are. Mosquitoes, heat, humidity, and the constant storm threat.
I always thought I'd like NE Arkansas or SE Missouri. Some place a little further north, with some elevation, not quite so much humidity and heat, and a little colder in the winter.
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Personally I want to move further south. Even Texas has too much winter for my tastes.
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I had written Texas off after the second loss, I'm writing them back in to the Sugar Bowl against UGA. I think they are probably about as good as anyone.
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Are you trying to mimic Fearless' pot-stirring? :)
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BEVO told me not to commit to the Sugar Bowl if that damn dog is going to be there
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I thought you were in northeast Texas
Beaumont area
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Beaumont area
not southeast but youre right you need to get out of that area which Ive always considered to be the armpit of Texas
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What do you mean "not southeast?"
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not southeast but youre right you need to get out of that area which Ive always considered to be the armpit of Texas
Janis Joplin had some choice things to say about Houston, and Beaumont, respectively.
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What do you mean "not southeast?"
it's not Miami, FL
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What do you mean "not southeast?"
just my opinion but I consider south starts from the Austin or Houston area on down
but again its only my opinion
I think just saying east Texas covers it
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Texas is not a uniformly shaped state so it's difficult to associate certain regions with cardinal directions.
Why do people refer to Lubbock as West Texas? El Paso is West Texas, Lubbock is North Texas. But then people call Dallas and areas just north of it, North Texas. It's all so confusing.
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Janis Joplin had some choice things to say about Houston, and Beaumont, respectively.
on a personal note about that
The apartment where Janis Joplin once lived in Houston was made into an office building
My daughter's offiice at the law firm she works at was once part Janis Joplin's apartment
Even more interesting is we named her Janis which is spelled the same way as the late singer
isnt life interesting
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If there ain’t pine trees it ain’t east Texas.
I’m good with it being SE Texas.
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I've never visited, but always heard from other Texans that east Texas was a shit hole.
Similar to Florida inside the coastlines and beaches
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Texas is not a uniformly shaped state so it's difficult to associate certain regions with cardinal directions.
The eastern seaboard states mostly have the coastal plains, the piedmont, and the mountains. It works pretty well.
Piedmont is a popular name around here. My wife had trouble pronouncing it for a while ...
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The topography in East Texas is rather nice, imo. Similar to north Louisiana. I much prefer it to the the landscapes of Southeast Texas. There is a definite distinction if you're coming down 69, starting around Woodville. North of there looks like East Texas and south of there looks like Southeast Texas. East Texas is generally taken to be Tyler, Lufkin area, etc.
South of Houston and Austin and you're not really "east" in the state anymore. Beaumont is definitely the southeastern point of the state. At any rate, it's the name of the area. Our local news has "all your southeast Texas local news." The radio station weather-break jingles are things like "south-east Texaaaas weeeaa-theeeeeeerrrrr." My clinic routinely refers to Southeast Texas Gastroenterology Group or SETX Urology Associates, and 75% of every other business in the area is SETX this or SETX that. If this isn't southeast Texas, you can't tell them that.
Also, we're right next to SWLA, so it stands to reason we're SETX.
And SETX is kinda ppffffft.
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When I was at Fort Hood, the Temple-Belton area was called the "Centroplex." But it's way east of the geographic center of the state.
That point is at Rochelle, 137 miles NW of Austin and 116 miles W of Belton.
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I'm curious....how is a geographic center calculated with an irregular shape like Texas? Is it the intersection of the longest east-west line and the longest north-south line, or is it more complicated than that?
In Oklahoma, Oklahoma City seems like an obvious center point, but then you've got that handle that stretches across the Texas panhandle that muddies it up.
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I'd hope it was more complicated
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The topography in East Texas is rather nice, imo. Similar to north Louisiana. I much prefer it to the the landscapes of Southeast Texas. There is a definite distinction if you're coming down 69, starting around Woodville. North of there looks like East Texas and south of there looks like Southeast Texas. East Texas is generally taken to be Tyler, Lufkin area, etc.
South of Houston and Austin and you're not really "east" in the state anymore. Beaumont is definitely the southeastern point of the state. At any rate, it's the name of the area. Our local news has "all your southeast Texas local news." The radio station weather-break jingles are things like "south-east Texaaaas weeeaa-theeeeeeerrrrr." My clinic routinely refers to Southeast Texas Gastroenterology Group or SETX Urology Associates, and 75% of every other business in the area is SETX this or SETX that. If this isn't southeast Texas, you can't tell them that.
Also, we're right next to SWLA, so it stands to reason we're SETX.
And SETX is kinda ppffffft.
I live 50 miles South of Houston. If it’s not SExTx what would you call it ?
It’s not S Texas. Not central Tx. Not hill country.
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Like Freeport/Matagorda territory?
I would personally view that as southeast Texas, though as a proper noun, SETX does not seem to even include Houston, rather it's Beaumont and the Golden Triangle area. All the way down to about Victoria passes geographically as southeast texas for me. Anything past that is south Texas, and then further south is what is referred to simply as The Valley. Like Kingsville and south, it's what the locals call it, as well as the companies I used to work for traveling throughout TX.
ymmv. I'm just going by how places tend to refer to themselves. Never understood why the panhandle calls itself West Texas. Seems like that should be Odessa to El Paso area. Wonder what they call themselves.....haven't spent much time in that area.
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Also, we're right next to SWLA, so it stands to reason we're SETX.
I always wanted to trade Houston to Louisiana in exchange for New Orleans. Let's make it so!
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Like Freeport/Matagorda territory?
I would personally view that as southeast Texas, though as a proper noun, SETX does not seem to even include Houston, rather it's Beaumont and the Golden Triangle area. All the way down to about Victoria passes geographically as southeast texas for me. Anything past that is south Texas, and then further south is what is referred to simply as The Valley. Like Kingsville and south, it's what the locals call it, as well as the companies I used to work for traveling throughout TX.
ymmv. I'm just going by how places tend to refer to themselves. Never understood why the panhandle calls itself West Texas. Seems like that should be Odessa to El Paso area. Wonder what they call themselves.....haven't spent much time in that area.
Yeah that's what I said upthread. Lubbock and Amarillo aren't West Texas. West Texas is like, Ozona to El Paso. Lubbock and Amarillo are in North Texas. But then, places like Denton call themselves North Texas, and they're nowhere near Amarillo.
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I'm guessing Louisiana would veto
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I'm guessing Louisiana would veto
I don't know, Houston has a lot going for it. The GDP of Houston alone is probably something like 4x that of the entire state of Louisiana.
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Like Freeport/Matagorda territory?
I would personally view that as southeast Texas, though as a proper noun, SETX does not seem to even include Houston, rather it's Beaumont and the Golden Triangle area. All the way down to about Victoria passes geographically as southeast texas for me. Anything past that is south Texas, and then further south is what is referred to simply as The Valley. Like Kingsville and south, it's what the locals call it, as well as the companies I used to work for traveling throughout TX.
ymmv. I'm just going by how places tend to refer to themselves. Never understood why the panhandle calls itself West Texas. Seems like that should be Odessa to El Paso area. Wonder what they call themselves.....haven't spent much time in that area.
Yep. Right by Freeport. I fish matagorda often.
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So anyway, Texas geography lessons aside...
Horns play our nemesis, the Birds-in-a-Blender, on Saturday. Texas has lost the last 3 in a row including last year's embarrassing blowout in a game where Texas basically just gave up in the third and prayed to run out the clock. Can they redeem themselves this year?
I sure like the chances better with Ewers at QB than I would otherwise. Defense needs to continue to play as they have for the past 2 games, and not like the 2 games prior to that.
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Texas has too big of a recent history for me to declare the ship righted and healthy after two games.
However, it's obvious we're on the right path. The offense has an embarrassment of weapons. Fast ones, strong ones, passing ones, running ones, and ones that do a bit of everything. Sark puts them on the field in combinations that hides his intent, but lets the possibilities play out. A defense that plays run will face a pass, and vice versa.
Critically, we now feature an OL that lets the QB play this out. I believe Texas had offensive talent in years' past, but lacked the OL to see it develop. Hudson Card admirably ran the offense within his limits. We don't know if Quinn Ewers has limits yet.
The players only meeting after the Tech game was mocked. However, I believe that was the meeting where the team leadership implored the defense to quit thinking and play with bad intentions. They knew what to do before. They just took a second to be sure. Against WVU, they took the shortest route to the ball, and arrived in ill humor. Possibly a speedy team like TCU might trick them out of position, but thus far, the defense seems to know their assignments and are executing violently.
ISU has a good defense. Their offense cannot score against air (frankly, just desserts after unfairly using Charlie Kolar as a cheat code all this time). If Texas scores on its first three drives, the game will be over by halftime. ISU isn't awful, but if Texas is what I think they are, the Longhorns should brush them aside in a businesslike way and proceed to the next game like Texas used to do.
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I like your eternal optimism my friend.
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I'm curious....how is a geographic center calculated with an irregular shape like Texas? Is it the intersection of the longest east-west line and the longest north-south line, or is it more complicated than that?
In Oklahoma, Oklahoma City seems like an obvious center point, but then you've got that handle that stretches across the Texas panhandle that muddies it up.
I'm sure that it's more complicated than that. I can imagine a system where an irregular-shaped entity is divided up into square units and then some number-crunching determines the E-W line that has exactly as many square units north of it as south of it and also does the same thing with a N-S line that puts the same number of square units east and west of it. Where those two lines intersect would be the center.
Geographers do the same thing with population.
BTW, apparently, the geographical center of Oklahoma is in Edmond, 8 miles north of Oklahoma City.
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the geographical center of the 48 contiguous or conterminous united states is somewhere in Kansas
near the town of Lebanon, Kansas.
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I like your eternal optimism my friend.
Like I said, there's too much recent history to declare "all is well" after two games.
I've seen too many 5-star RB and WR careers ruined when the OL couldn't give the QB two seconds to work. That problem isn't fixed yet, but Kyle Flood is getting sufficient technique out of true freshmen to at least effect a game plan. That rising tide is currently lifting all boats.
All the right things are being said and demonstrated about "player led team". Now, it just has to be done consistently.
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Congrats to the Horns. Your game today was sort of the inverse of your game vs. Texas Tech two weeks ago.
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Saturdays game was ugly but a win none the less
The good news is the Horns stuck it out and did what it took to win
The bad news is that the Horns squandered away several scoring opportunities
It should not have been a one score game
The next 5 games will be much tougher then this one so we better get our problems solved or we wont win another game
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Now that's the spirit!
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Now that's the spirit!
hey its not my job to blow smoke
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Indeed.
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This mullet trend needs to die a quick death.
Horns risk losing every game from here on out if Ewers doesn't quit trying to channel his inner Travis Tritt. The ECFGs do have some sense of fashion.
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I had a mullet in high school. Not a CamaroMullet or a Kentucky Waterfall, more of an 80s rocker mullet, like Steve Perry from Journey.
(https://i.imgur.com/RXMyVno.png)
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"Separate Ways" seems a pretty apt tune for UT/OU and their conference mates.
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Ha! True enough, I suppose.
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I missed most of the first half, but it seems like we have to remember Quinn Ewers is still an inexperienced freshman and not Patrick Mahomes. There's going to be off-days (although it seems Pat had his own). When he doesn't have time to think, it seems he fires perfectly. When he sees a big opportunity, he overthinks. He's got every skill except experience.
On the defensive side, it seems we're not deep enough to withstand DB rotations. When Watts left, we got confused. It looked to be right at the time of the game where ISU was firing everything to attempt to stay afloat. A busted coverage TD and the inability to stay with ISU's (and FBS's) leading receiver were baffling.
Texas needs to realize when the "kill shot" is imminent. Up two scores with the ball in hand, Texas had a chance, once again, to scrap the opponent's game plan and put them into panic mode. A TD at that point puts Texas up 24-7, and leaves ISU wondering how to make up ground in a quarter after only scoring 1 TD through 3. Instead, a missed easy completion, a short run, and an overthrow has us punting. The aforementioned busted coverage scores the 2nd TD, makes the score 17-14, and has ISU realizing they can win. Texas must get better at finishing the kill when the opportunity is at hand.
This is a game Texas would have in seasons past. During the game winning drive, Texas ran right at the run-stopping ISU defense and succeeded. On a day when Texas made enough mistakes to lose, ISU made the last one (or two).
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Yeah Ewers looked like a high school QB at times, on his decision-making. He also dropped a couple passes into tight spots that most athletes just can't do. There's a lot of upside but he has a lot to learn. The oline's inconsistency at keeping him clean doesn't help.
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He was very boom/bust in this one. A few passes that were just gorgeous, like a few he put up in the OU game, and a number that were badly off target to open guys.
That said, that rainbow that Cain dropped was not on Ewers, and that was 7. That was egregious, but I'm sure nobody feels worse about it than Cain himself.
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Yeah that was all Cain.
As hot/cold as Ewers was, this is a game that we would have lost with Card at QB. And it's a game we would have lost last year.
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This week we play the Cowboys at their place
They are coming off a tough loss to TCU and will really be riled up
Vegas thinks we are a 6 point favorite which really surprises me
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This week we play the Cowboys at their place
The Eagles made them look pretty bad in the first half, but I still think Micah Parsons is just too much for the Longhorn tackles. It'll probably get pretty ugly.
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I'll show myself out
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And it's a game we would have lost last year.
ISU is kind of the Kentucky of the Big 12. Salty defense, offense that does enough to make the entire game dangerous for a more talented team. It's hard to take either seriously, yet there they are putting the breaks on a lot of teams that would've been hard to fathom a decade ago.
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Surprised me too.
They might be riled up, but there's also a reason there's a saying "don't let one loss beat you twice." Regardless, road games haven't historically been one of Sark's strengths. I'm just glad it's not at night.
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We're still working with 18-22 year olds. Texas doesn't have upperclassmen with winning resumes who could educate the youngsters. There's a good chance that they thought the hard work was done after OU, and lost a little focus.
Between Alabama, Tech, OU, and ISU, this team is showing me they're as good as they want to be. Ideally, they'll internalize the notion that they practice against their own standard, and play games against their own expectations. That's a feature of mature winners. It's hard to skip that painful step.
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Got tix to the Ole Miss game and been planning that for several weeks. For all the world I thought Texas was off this weekend, and I believe I told Mrs. DeTiger that, but Texas and LSU are playing at the same time.
Wonder if I'm about to be in the doghouse over this.
Just another reason to hate Ole Miss :)
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Come on, you know you want to say it...
Ole Piss
I'll be at Formula 1 all weekend. The Texas game will overlap both the 3rd practice session, and Qualifying, so I'll miss most of it. But there are plenty of TVs in the VIP areas so I'll be able to catch at least a bit.
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I had to look up Circuit of the Americas. I was wondering how in the world I was oblivious to that while I was there, but looks like that's all been done since I left.
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First race was in 2012, they started building in 2009 or 2010.
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Funny you mentioned circuit of the americas. Drove by there on Monday. Didn’t know what it was.
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I have driven on COTA for an entire day, it was rather thrilling.
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I've sneaked onto the track at night and raced mopeds on it. Fun times.
I've also run a couple 5Ks on it and done a couple bike rides, but racing mopeds was more fun.
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I was the slowest driver in the group. Unfortunately, I have learned to drive to "save the car", making it last longer, brake pads and whatnot. It's a tough habit to overcome. They replaced both tires and brake pads on these cars each day, so it wasn't needed. I still have a tough time hammering the engine like we did. It was great fun.
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When getting to the finish line first is the only criterion, you drive the car a lot differently. It's a violent movement where you push the limit of physics. The tires will only grip to a certain force. Braking hard to throw the weight forward onto the front tires increases that grip force - allowing you to power harder through a turn. Once you're through the apex, you're hard on the throttle to power out. The tires are operating right on the limits of static friction. Your body is constantly eating all these internal forces as the car slams from forward inertia to side inertia to rear inertia.
When someone else is paying for the tires, suspension, engine, and transmission, it's a fun way to drive (albeit painful).
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If I went hard on the throttle in these cars after the apex, the nannies would kick in even though they were set at Track 1. They told is Track 2 was really for the pros. The fun part was doing max acceleration from standstill, hammer the brakes hard and bury the trottle and let the revs come up and then come off the brakes. The cars would really sputter trying to find a balance between tire spin and grip.
On the actual track, these cars were beyond my capabilities without more familiarity.
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When getting to the finish line first is the only criterion, you drive the car a lot differently. It's a violent movement where you push the limit of physics. The tires will only grip to a certain force. Braking hard to throw the weight forward onto the front tires increases that grip force - allowing you to power harder through a turn. Once you're through the apex, you're hard on the throttle to power out. The tires are operating right on the limits of static friction. Your body is constantly eating all these internal forces as the car slams from forward inertia to side inertia to rear inertia.
When someone else is paying for the tires, suspension, engine, and transmission, it's a fun way to drive (albeit painful).
Many race cars, but especially F1 cars, are designed to last only as long as the race itself. They're effectively rebuilt completely, after each use. If a race were ever to run 5 or 7 laps further (at full speeds) than was intended, the majority of the cars would start breaking down and failing to finish. Of course they have rules in place to prevent this from happening.
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I think dragsters rebuild their engine partially after each race. They are designed to make this feasible.
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Many race cars, but especially F1 cars, are designed to last only as long as the race itself. They're effectively rebuilt completely, after each use. If a race were ever to run 5 or 7 laps further (at full speeds) than was intended, the majority of the cars would start breaking down and failing to finish. Of course they have rules in place to prevent this from happening.
Kinda impressive that the engineering can be that precise. And does nothing to reduce my belief in the I'm-telling-you-it's-a-real-thing-don't-gaslight-me-bro Planned Obsolescence.
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I expect they have to do significant work on the transmissions as well.
In F1, the engines and gearboxes are limited by a cost cap, so you can't completely rebuild them each race, but they replace a LOT of stuff. And yes, they're designed to make this as convenient as possible. I've seen those guys completely rebuild a car after a major wreck in the 4 hours between practice and qualifying, because if you don't run during qualifying, you're starting last on the grid. It's impressive.
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Heh. Your experience on the track sounds amazing! I've never done that nor anything like it.
I know the basics of how its supposed to work, but clearly doing it with a 'real' car on a 'real' track is a different world. Obviously, there has to be constraints, since racing is about pushing the physics to the limit. Going over that limit likely means damage and injury.
Heck, even when I'm driving a regular, unfamiliar car, it takes me a minute to learn how it accelerates and stops without jerking the passengers around. Learning how to drive with 'both feet' would, well, take some time indeed!
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Yeah that's what I'm saying. Racing is about driving the device to its physical limitations. Getting back first is all that matters. Crossing that line right as you expend the last of your fuel would be ideal.
My family members seem to think that pulling into the gas station as the engine dies is likewise the goal.
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One event we had was a tight gymkhana like affair, for time. The first 200 feet or so required a full throttle acceleration and then hard braking to make a 90° turn (cones). My group did it 3x each, I got slightly better, but was still a laggard. One fellow in our group beat everyone handily.
Then they had one of their guys do it, they claimed he'd never done that pattern before or even seen it. He beat our fastest guy handily. Of course, he knew the car well. But he was a "pro" of some ilk, part of their team.
I don't think I could beat his time if I was there every day for weeks.
The most fun was driving on COTA flat out, we were hitting about 140 mph on the back straight. That got a bit scary, you had to keep at it and then hammer the brakes near the end. Of course ABS makes this a lot easier, and the computers would iron out a lot of other mistakes for us. Driving it with all the nannies turned off likely would have meant a lot of grass.
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The most fun was driving on COTA flat out, we were hitting about 140 mph on the back straight. That got a bit scary, you had to keep at it and then hammer the brakes near the end. Of course ABS makes this a lot easier, and the computers would iron out a lot of other mistakes for us. Driving it with all the nannies turned off likely would have meant a lot of grass.
Our seats for the USGP are at Turn 15 which has an awesome view of the end of that straight (at Turn12). Overall I really like our seats there in the "stadium complex" that incorporates Turns 12, 13, 14, 15, and we can even see the entrance to the triple apex at 16 which occasionally involves drivers racing each other out of the tight corner of Turn15.
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One event we had was a tight gymkhana like affair, for time. The first 200 feet or so required a full throttle acceleration and then hard braking to make a 90° turn (cones). My group did it 3x each, I got slightly better, but was still a laggard. One fellow in our group beat everyone handily.
Then they had one of their guys do it, they claimed he'd never done that pattern before or even seen it. He beat our fastest guy handily. Of course, he knew the car well. But he was a "pro" of some ilk, part of their team.
I don't think I could beat his time if I was there every day for weeks.
The most fun was driving on COTA flat out, we were hitting about 140 mph on the back straight. That got a bit scary, you had to keep at it and then hammer the brakes near the end. Of course ABS makes this a lot easier, and the computers would iron out a lot of other mistakes for us. Driving it with all the nannies turned off likely would have meant a lot of grass.
That gymkhana sounds like an autocross. My brother has a Mazda Miata in which he competes in autocross events.
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Yeah, it's an autocross, but this was pretty tight for cars of that size. We drove both CTS-Vs and ATS-Vs, the latter would have been better as they are smaller and lighter. The CTS-V is a really crazy vehicle, now called a CT5-V Blackwing, for reasons that, well, there are no reasonable reasons.
2023 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing Review, Pricing, and Specs (caranddriver.com) (https://www.caranddriver.com/cadillac/ct5-v-blackwing)
I could see having a CT4-V Blackwing, it's more of a "normal" kind of sedan I think.
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Mustangs and Camaros participate in the same autocrosses that my brother's Miata does. Their greater power does them little to no good on the tight courses.
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Mustangs and Camaros participate in the same autocrosses that my brother's Miata does. Their greater power does them little to no good on the tight courses.
Miatas have a fantastic blend of weight, power, and wheelbase. While other stock cars might launch faster, and some have higher top end, the Mazda Miata puts it together in the "city streets" arena sports (that is, when the track wasn't purpose built for racing with high banked curves, wide straits, etc).
They really stick to the ground and let you power through stuff. My sister sort of inherited a 6-speed 2000 model. After pacing it around the neighborhood a couple of times, I made sure the doors were locked and said, "Watch this!". The curves we'd strolled through at 20 mph I started shooting through at 35 mph and shifting in the middle of them. The tires never balked nor squealed. On a closed course, and after feeling it out, I'm positive I could have gotten much more out of it.
Fun car. Convertible, too!
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Tires are a MAJOR thing in a tight course. The cars I was driving had Michelin Sport Cup Twos on them (changed out daily). With smooth pavement, the suspension is somewhat of a minor factor.
Of course these soft rubber tires don't last long.
It was fun anyway. But the road course was funner.
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I see that the Horns are leading the Pokes 7-3.
I meant to post some encouraging news here yesterday. QB Spencer Sanders is hurting and DT Brendan Evers, who, when he was a Jr. in HS was my student, is foregoing the rest of the season to prepare for the NFL.
But you're leading 7-3, so you probably don't need any encouragement.
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Horns haven't been a great second half team lately, but maybe things are changing
encouragement is ALWAYS welcome
even from Boomers
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Horns haven't been a great second half team lately, but maybe things are changing
encouragement is ALWAYS welcome
even from Boomers
thats just wrong
they played good 2nd halfs the last 3 games
your thinking of last year
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yup, but the Pokes just scored
#23 on the Horn defense had a tough series
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yup, but the Pokes just scored
#23 on the Horn defense had a tough series
Terrible clock management by the Pokes right before halftime. Gundy should be kicking himself.
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I'll kick him
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tied up at 34
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I'll kick him
I'd join you. He needs a good kick. My oSu-grad stepson thinks so too.
But he's happy right now.
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In my youth, I played many games on an insanely poor pool table. It was old, and a joke. Over time, since it was the only one I had access to, I learned where the divots and curves were. I knew where the rails were dead, and where the felt had lumps. Playing on that table wasn't a problem for me, because I knew what would happen, and set my shots up accordingly.
I believe our true freshman QB was unprepared for what happens when a 25 mph N/S wind blasts through a stadium laid out E/W. He saw the field, knew the correct target, but the ball flew like a ping pong ball in a hair dryer. Playing in his 50th game at T Boone Pickens field, Sanders knew where the weird spots were.
After oSu corrected for the GT Counter play, Texas had tough sledding. The Cowboys are a good team, even injured. Tough loss.
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its not going to get easier
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I believe our true freshman QB was unprepared for what happens when a 25 mph N/S wind blasts through a stadium laid out E/W. He saw the field, knew the correct target, but the ball flew like a ping pong ball in a hair dryer. Playing in his 50th game at T Boone Pickens field, Sanders knew where the weird spots were.
i've obviously heard more than a few excuses for poor QB play, but that is magnificent!
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i've obviously heard more than a few excuses for poor QB play, but that is magnificent!
And how !
Almost as bad as the Yankees blaming the open roof for their G3 loss !
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lets see input from a husker and an aggie
hmmmmm
thanks guys
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Just when I thought Texas was back in the Sugar Bowl ...
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lets see input from a husker and an aggie
hmmmmm
thanks guys
well, the Dawg fan wasn't chipping in
and if you didn't get input from us, y'all would get nothing at all
& like it!
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The killer instinct is the one consistent piece that's been missing since this whole doldrum period started for UT. Through the end of the Mack Brown era, through Strong and Herman and now Sark, they've alternated struggles with needing better talent, bad coaching, too many injuries, etc. Even when those things are on decent footing, the Longhorns teams of the aughts knew how to step on the throats of weaker teams, and not fold mentally when a team was of similar caliber and came looking for a fight.
Texas knows how to step on throats. But they have to relearn the joys of consistently keeping their boots there until the clock hits zero.
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I was at the F1 race and missed about half of the game.
The half I saw, looked like crap.
At least this coming weekend is a bye so there is no potential for disappointment.
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Ewers was off target a fair bit....probably the difference right there.
Defense could stand to sharpen up on the tackling in that one too.
There were something like 15-16 penalties on UT....zero for oSu. Somehow I doubt that was the case in reality.
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spot on assessment
Ed Zachery what I thought
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I had to watch UGA dismantle another top quality SEC foe instead of Texas.
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I had to watch UGA dismantle another top quality SEC foe instead of Texas.
Can't play better defense than not allowing any points.
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Ewers was off target a fair bit....probably the difference right there.
Defense could stand to sharpen up on the tackling in that one too.
There were something like 15-16 penalties on UT....zero for oSu. Somehow I doubt that was the case in reality.
A lot of the penalties were called on the o-line for mostly pre-snap violations.
The 15 did not seem excessive as I was watching the game.
But the zero penalties for oSu is hard to justify in a game in which offensive holding can be called on every play.
I doubt that the Big 12 office has instructed the officials to screw OU and Texas, any more than the officials for the RRS are annually instructed to favor Texas.
But human emotions cannot be completely ignored, and there are surely officials who are angry at OU and Texas for leaving the conference.
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15-0 does seem ... unbalanced.
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2010
Penalties-Yards........ Team leaving the B12... 16-145 Team staying... 2-10
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What game was that, Fearless? The Big 12 CCG?
If so, Sooner fans thank the Huskers for playing so sloppily in that game. ;)
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I wish my QB were not so cross-eyed so I could gripe about penalties more. 9 of them were pre-snap, so it's hard to get too jazzed about those. There was 1 crowd-sourced DPI where the flag didn't come until the crowd got upset. Quinn's 30 yard scramble was negated by a backside pancake block by Christian Jones being seen as "holding" by someone who adjudged oSu to not have held at all during the course of the contest. About what I've come to expect from a Big 12 that, I guess, is just trying their best?
Still, 19 for 49 passing.
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TEXAS A&M 9 - NEBRASKA 6
Nov. 20, 2010 - 7:08 p.m. Central
Kyle Field | College Station, TX | ABC-TV
Texas A&M managed one more field goal than penalty-plagued Nebraska could muster as the Huskers lost 9-6 in a defensive battle marked by several controversial moments.
After a 3-3 first half and a scoreless third quarter, Randy Bullock gave the Aggies their first lead with a 28-yard field goal with 14:33 left in the game. Alex Henery tied the score at 6-6 with a 29-yard boot with 8:31 remaining.
However, the Aggies answered with a 19-yard Bullock field goal with 3:02 left. Texas A&M’s winning drive was extended by a roughing-the-passer penalty on Husker safety Courtney Osborne on third-and-11. Instead of 4th-and-11 at the NU 49, A&M had a 1st-and-10 at the NU 34. Cyrus Gray covered 32 yards on five consecutive runs for the Aggies to set up the winning field goal.
Osborne’s penalty was the 15th of a school-record 16 called against the Huskers.
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But weren't the Aggies leaving too?
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Reminds me of Arnold Palmer
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But weren't the Aggies leaving too?
No they left a year later.
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the Sooners actually had more penalties than the Huskers in their come from behind win the the champ game
Penalties-Yards.......... OU 6-47 UN 3-15
different crew I'm guessing
maybe Pelini did bring all of that on himself in Collie Station?
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That 2010 is well remembered in Aggieland and that team was close to winning the Big 12 save for a loss at oSu.
As I recall Pellini was quite the jackass, more so than usual, and kinda got more flags tossed as a result.
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oh Bo is a jackass, but after a few really bad calls, he decided it didn't matter if he held back
he certainly didn't help his cause, never did, but he never came close to 16 penalties before or after
it's the first time I ever thought the zebras were consciously trying to throw a game
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That 2010 is well remembered in Aggieland and that team was close to winning the Big 12 save for a loss at oSu.
Huskers came in #9 after their only other reg season loss. Possibly Bo's best team.
Another cursed loss to the Horns
Garrett Gilbert runs for 71 yards and Taylor Martinez runs for 21
4 penalties for the Horns, 10 for the Huskers, playing in Lincoln
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Huskers came in #9 after their only other reg season loss. Possibly Bo's best team.
Another cursed loss to the Horns
Garrett Gilbert runs for 71 yards and Taylor Martinez runs for 21
4 penalties for the Horns, 10 for the Huskers, playing in Lincoln
I remember it well. Good times.
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Horns aint dead yet
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big game next week
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big game next week
Current line is Texas by 7
Dont bet the farm on it
I'll be happy to lose by less the 10
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College GameDay is heading back to Austin, Texas for a matchup between the Longhorns and TCU. The crew makes its return trip to the Lone Star State with major College Football Playoff implications on the line.
TCU is a perfect 9-0 on the season, fighting for a spot in the playoff for the first time in program history. And with losses by Clemson, Tennessee and Alabama looming, their odds look better than ever if they can win out.
Obviously, that starts in Austin, which has already hosted the crew before in Week 2 when the Longhorns took on Alabama.
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Somebody's gotta do something about this team when they get up big. Keeping a foot on a throat must be a learned art, and Sark needs to figure out how to teach it.
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Somebody's gotta do something about this team when they get up big. Keeping a foot on a throat must be a learned art, and Sark needs to figure out how to teach it.
One big reason the Horns stoped scoring in the 2nd half was the play calling
Sark let up on the gas
not sure why
way too much time left to pull that crap unless Ewers was hurt and Ive not read anything to point to that
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Risk mitigation is tough to learn. At Bama, Sark could keep calling running plays on 3rd and 2 when the defense showed 9 in the box. Bama's road graders could simply clear out and get 4.
Texas has that as a goal, and they're laying the pieces for it (and taking away Bama's at the same time), but it isn't there yet. He's going to have to get more comfortable with taking what the defense gives.
Perhaps something disastrous would have happened, but KSU was begging Ewers and Sanders to finish them off. Using a Karic/Sanders or Billingsley/Sanders grouping to show power then spring a seam route would have earned a jogging TD. You're risking that against an incompletion and clock-stop or an INT.
Using the best RB in college football to take the air out of the ball with a large lead is a valid strategy. You can't do it against 1st and 15 or 20 though. The pre-snap jumping and (randomly called) holding penalties have to stop. After week 10, it's time to show the discipline needed to stay in your set.
Texas is giving its opponent hope and reason to stay competitive. Another TD early in the 2nd half easily puts them in panic mode (which usually leads to more easier TDs). Cleaning up the mistakes and eating a bit more risk would make the job lots easier.
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Risk mitigation is tough to learn. At Bama, Sark could keep calling running plays on 3rd and 2 when the defense showed 9 in the box. Bama's road graders could simply clear out and get 4.
I see that misplayed, after the fact, a lot in CFB. I've seen Smart start running too soon fairly often and put together a bunch of 3aos. On the other hand, the risk of throwing is clear also. Let's say you're up 28-6 on a dangerous team in the third and you stop passing. They score and it's 28-14 and you get another 3ao and they score again and suddenly it's panic time.
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Just ask any Auburn or LSU fan about the "Pass LSU Pass!" game and see how they feel about throwing the ball with a lead.
Incidentally, I believe that was Jamie Howard.....his son, Walker, is a freshman this year and likely the QB of the future. Maybe we won't let him throw it. Ever.
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Punt, Bama, punt ...
I see Texas is ranked!!! And has a shot at the CG!!!
Crazy team.
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Punt, Bama, punt ...
I see Texas is ranked!!! And has a shot at the CG!!!
Crazy team.
Fear the Horns
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the Kitties will beat the Blue Chickens
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Probably for the best.
I can't believe TCU is 8-3 vs. Texas since joining the B12.
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Probably for the best.
I can't believe TCU is 8-3 vs. Texas since joining the B12.
yep we couldnt beat em so we hired their coach
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and now the old coach can't beat Sonny
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and now the old coach can't beat Sonny
well I forgive the Horns for not beating them this year
TCU has a very good team and hopefully go to the playoffs
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Where is utee94? Anybody heard from him lately?
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Where is utee94? Anybody heard from him lately?
I thought I told you to watch him
If youre not careful he'll just wonder away and roam the streets
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Been wonderin’ where Marcus run off too? He does this from time to time, being a high powered exec that he is. He’s prolly with Bill Gates on a thinkathon.
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I guess I could reach out to see what's up, but that mofo is the same way with texts. Sometimes I hear right back, other times he just ghosts me.
Longhorns, man.
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I guess I could reach out to see what's up, but that mofo is the same way with texts. Sometimes I hear right back, other times he just ghosts me.
Longhorns, man.
we're a weird bunch
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rich & arrogant
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rich & arrogant
well one out of two aint bad
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Horns play Baylor at 11 today
We are favored by 9 but Im not sure we can handle Baylor's passing attack
Our pass def really sucks
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I'll be watching
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Congratulations to my HORNS
They even covered the spread
amazing
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gret game by the horns
finished strong
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Really nice finish, both to the game, and to the season. I know Baylor and Kansas are no murderer's row, but they're teams Texas has struggled to beat recently. We're not in a position to take anything for granted, and the team is definitely showing improvement.
Maybe I'm willing to give Sark another year...
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Here are Texas' offensive stats from the next play after Ewers' fumbled scoop-and-score for Baylor, through the end of the game, which was the final 13:30 of the 4th quarter:
22 plays
22 rushes
133 yards
14 points
TOP 10:43
That's just complete domination. 'Twas joyous to see.
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Where is utee94? Anybody heard from him lately?
Been wonderin’ where Marcus run off too? He does this from time to time, being a high powered exec that he is. He’s prolly with Bill Gates on a thinkathon.
I'm still around. Definitely been busy at work, and just taking a break from the message boards a bit. Which, MDT, you also do pretty regularly, so let's not go pointing fingers and such! :)
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I have an excuse. And I don't do it during the season.
So there.
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Man, for as much promise as Ewers flashed this year, there are certainly times when his freshman shows. Horns won that game in spite of him, not because of him.
Bijan is the best back I've seen in the game in several years. His vision is his best trait imo....I haven't seen a back that can so quickly diagnose where to go, maybe ever. Been really fun to watch him in college. Did NOT know he was getting 2 mil a year NIL. That.....is a whole other discussion. sigh....I suppose he's worth it, but man do I not like the state of the game these days.
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Bijan's backup isn't chopped liver
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Man, for as much promise as Ewers flashed this year, there are certainly times when his freshman shows. Horns won that game in spite of him, not because of him.
Bijan is the best back I've seen in the game in several years. His vision is his best trait imo....I haven't seen a back that can so quickly diagnose where to go, maybe ever. Been really fun to watch him in college. Did NOT know he was getting 2 mil a year NIL. That.....is a whole other discussion. sigh....I suppose he's worth it, but man do I not like the state of the game these days.
Ewers was 12 of 16 for 194 yards no interceptions
He had a pretty good game with just one huge error with the fumble
we went to the run cause thats what the defense allowed not to save Ewers
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Nope. Roschan (sp?) would be a star back on most other teams who didn't also have Bijan.
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I've watched a few 'horn games. Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with Bijan, although he played good. I'd like to see what he does in the bowl game. Is he back next year?
He had 57 yards vs Bama on 21 carries. Not great.
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Ewers was 12 of 16 for 194 yards no interceptions
He had a pretty good game with just one huge error with the fumble
we went to the run cause thats what the defense allowed not to save Ewers
Ewers had a solid day passing but that funble-6 scoop and score was devastating and nearly cost us the game. The coaches went solely to the run after that, and protecting the team from any further Ewers screwups was absolutely part of it. It was the right call, relying on a freshman QB in that situation rather than your upperclassmen-dominated running back rotation, would have been silly. If they'd made the same move against TCU and Oklahoma State those might have been two more wins.
I hope Ewers improves dramatically between now and next year. Otherwise we're in massive trouble at QB because I expect Card to transfer, and Arch Manning will be a true freshman.
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I've watched a few 'horn games. Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with Bijan, although he played good. I'd like to see what he does in the bowl game. Is he back next year?
He had 57 yards vs Bama on 21 carries. Not great.
here again Alabama put 8 in the box most of the time which is why we moved the ball in the air
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What utee said. And also, Ewers' numbers hide a little bit the near-disaster of some of his plays. What happened, happened, so I understand disregarding hypotheticals. Still, he had a couple moments that you don't want to see again.
That said, he had plenty of flashes of brilliance this year. I'd expect the typical second-year jump for him in which case he should be very good.
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Ewers had a solid day passing but that funble-6 scoop and score was devastating and nearly cost us the game. The coaches went solely to the run after that, and protecting the team from any further Ewers screwups was absolutely part of it. It was the right call, relying on a freshman QB in that situation rather than your upperclassmen-dominated running back rotation, would have been silly. If they'd made the same move against TCU and Oklahoma State those could have been two more wins.
I hope Ewers improves dramatically between now and next year. Otherwise we're in massive trouble at QB because I expect Card to transfer, and Arch Manning will be a true freshman.
This happened with 13 min left is the game
we had the lead and we were able to run on them
I think we would have stuck with the run no matter who was at QB
Yes Ewers will get better
Have you notified Sark that you have decided to keep him for one more year?
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This happened with 13 min left is the game
we had the lead and we were able to run on them
I think we would have stuck with the run no matter who was at QB
Yes Ewers will get better
Have you notified Sark that you have decided to keep him for one more year?
No because I haven't decided to keep Sark for one more year. He better blow out the bowl game opponent.
And yes it happened with 13 minutes left in the game. We didn't have the lead, we were down 27-24. From that point on, this is what happened:
22 plays
22 rushes
133 yards
14 points
TOP 10:43
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No because I haven't decided to keep Sark for one more year. He better blow out the bowl game opponent.
And yes it happened with 13 minutes left in the game. We didn't have the lead, we were down 27-24. From that point on, this is what happened:
22 plays
22 rushes
133 yards
14 points
TOP 10:43
ok I stand corrected but we took the lead on the next series and again we were gashing them with the run so why put the ball in the air
incidentally our defense played very well during this period and that was also a big reason for our victory
I wonder if all our players will show up for the bowl game
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Did they play 8 defenders in the box on the last two drives?
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Did they play 8 defenders in the box on the last two drives?
only on certain plays not every play
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speaking of needed improvement besides our QB is our off line
I expect to have a much better OL next year
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Gracias.
I think I can probably tweak a good recipe as far as flavor, what I don't know anything about is what affects consistency. I like thick eggnog, most of the store-bought stuff is too runny for me.
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Gracias.
I think I can probably tweak a good recipe as far as flavor, what I don't know anything about is what affects consistency. I like thick eggnog, most of the store-bought stuff is too runny for me.
You get the thick but still fluffyness, from whipping the egg whites to soft peaks separately, and then combining with the other ingredients. Some recipes omit the whites. I consider those to be lesser recipes.
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I have no idea how my comment got on this thread, or why. Oops.
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I have no idea how my comment got on this thread, or why. Oops.
I've noticed this message board occasionally does that. Strange.
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strange folks hang out here
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I've noticed this message board occasionally does that. Strange.
it usually involves alcohol
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it usually involves alcohol
In my case I'm only here during work hours and they don't let me drink on the job no matter how much I lobby for it.
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fascists
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Hudson Card to enter portal. Nothing surprising and I can't blame him. I wish him the best wherever he ends up next, which might be SMU.
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So, how do LH fans view the season so far? Mixed? Pretty decent? Better than expected? Terrible?
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Before the season I believed 8-4 was an appropriate expectation that would show progress and improvement, so overall I'm happy with the season. I'm sure lh320 will be surprised at that statement. :)
As always though, the devil is in the details. The team has improved in some areas, but shown no progress or actual regression in others. I'm hopeful that our freshman QB grows and improves substantially before next season.
The most pleasant surprise for me, has been the improvement in the o-line. They're not world beaters just yet, but even being average, is a significant improvement over the craptacular olines we've trotted out pretty much every single year since 2007.
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So, how do LH fans view the season so far? Mixed? Pretty decent? Better than expected? Terrible?
Considering we are coming off a bad season last year with a green freshman QB and a average OL plus a huge question mark at defense if we win our Bowl Games and go 9 and 4 Id say we had a better then expected season and a very good chance to have an even better team next year
I give this team an over all B+
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Before the season I believed 8-4 was an appropriate expectation that would show progress and improvement, so overall I'm happy with the season. I'm sure lh320 will be surprised at that statement. :)
As always though, the devil is in the details. The team has improved in some areas, but shown no progress or actual regression in others. I'm hopeful that our freshman QB grows and improves substantially before next season.
The most pleasant surprise for me, has been the improvement in the o-line. They're not world beaters just yet, but even being average, is a significant improvement over the craptacular olines we've trotted out pretty much every single year since 2007.
yes I could take some cheap shots at ya but its the Christmas season so Im holding my fire
My pleasant surprise has been our defense as far as tackling. We did a much better job over last year.
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it's not even December
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it's not even December
ok Mr technical fine
we will discuss this tomorrow sheeesh
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yes I could take some cheap shots at ya but its the Christmas season so Im holding my fire
My pleasant surprise has been our defense as far as tackling. We did a much better job over last year.
Tackling definitely improved, too. It's actually... decent. It's been since, I don't know, 2008 or 2009, since we could say that.
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ok Mr technical fine
we will discuss this tomorrow sheeesh
I meant about Xmas season
give him the business
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I meant about Xmas season
give him the business
nope its the new me
I will be kind to my longhorn brother
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I meant about Xmas season
give him the business
Hey I got an idea. Why don't you just shut your stupid face?
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nope its the new me
I will be kind to my longhorn brother
'horns of a feather
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'horns of a feather
the longhorn nation is mighty
fear the Horns
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word
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the longhorn nation is mighty
fear the Horns
FearlessF
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They seemed to have won more games than SOME here thought they might.
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They seemed to have won more games than SOME here thought they might.
certainly more then you predicted
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I think I predicted 10-2 and a Sugar Bowl...
Or something akin to that.
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I like playing in the Sugar Bowl against Georgia. I could be down for that.
We should both go and attend in person-- I'd even offer to be your guide around town so you could actually find some GOOD food and entertainment... ;)
My guess is they also lose one to either USCe/UK/Tenn/Florida to go 11-1, and then Bama to be 11-2, then play someone, maybe Texas, in the Sugar.
I was a bit pessimistic, though they could still end up 12-2.
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certainly more then you predicted
It was the noted sandbagger, utee94, who predicted they wouldn't win another game a few weeks into the season.
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It was the noted sandbagger, utee94, who predicted they wouldn't win another game a few weeks into the season.
Yup, it was after the embarrassing loss to Tech, I predicted 3-9. Glad I was wrong, although the loss a couple weeks later to OkState was similarly unacceptable.
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We barely lose to Bama at home: We could make the CFP. Certainly NY6!
Lose to Tech on the road in OT: We're worse than last year! Missing bowl game! Coach on hot seat!
Thus goeth the life of a Texas fan.
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That's probably most fans.
Beat a division rival and perpetual stumbling block, build the first year coach a statue!
Derp a game to a pitiful A&M team, can he even coach?!?
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Heh, Dawgs fans (some) are upset that we're only 12-0 with too many close wins ...
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Heh, Dawgs fans (some) are upset that we're only 12-0 with too many close wins ...
very few teams win the NC and dont have a few close wins along the way
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Sure, but that is reality. Fans don't like reality often as not.
Fans are unhappy with a 37-14 win over Tech, not that it matters. I can see being concerned with closer wins than one would like and thinking perhaps a team isn't all that great, fine.
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Sure, but that is reality. Fans don't like reality often as not.
Fans are unhappy with a 37-14 win over Tech, not that it matters. I can see being concerned with closer wins than one would like and thinking perhaps a team isn't all that great, fine.
Yep. Close wins over inferior teams are worrisome because they seem to indicate that some fundamental weakness has been exposed.
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Heh, Dawgs fans (some) are upset that we're only 12-0 with too many close wins ...
I can remember the days when Texas fans complained about having a long string of 10-win seasons.
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At the risk of derailing a Longhorns thread, only two conference teams have allowed fewer ppg than UGA in the last decade (and one of them was UGA last year). Their ppg allowed is best in the country. UGA is 5th in the country in 3rd down conversions and 3rd in the country in 3rd down conversions allowed. They outscore opponents by 27 ppg. They are the textbook definition of a dominant team.
That Missouri game really scarred some people's psyche, I guess.
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I can remember the days when Texas fans complained about having a long string of 10-win seasons.
I lived in Austin in those days.
I heard that from a lot of people.
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I can remember the days when Texas fans complained about having a long string of 10-win seasons.
Yeah, Mark Richt's final two teams finished 10-3 and look what happened to him ...
Fans = fanatics.
We're all leveled headed here, like that feller who predicted Texas might not win another game at 1-2.
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Horns might get to play USC in the Alamo Bowl.
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Horns might get to play USC in the Alamo Bowl.
I don't think USC falls that low, probably Cotton? And maybe Washington in Alamo against the Horns and Sark and PK? That would be sort of poetic.
But I don't recall all of the bowl selection order/criteria anymore, so maybe...?
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Yeah, CBS has USC in the Cotton Bowl vs. Tulane and Washington playing Texas in the Alamo Bowl.
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For us, any bowl game is better than last year, so there you have it.
And Washington isn't a terrible matchup for us. I'd be okay with that.
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If K-State beats TCU--as they are currently doing--TCU might fall to the Cotton Bowl in place of USC.
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TCU is very much a second half team. I have a feeling that KSU needed to be up by several scores at halftime, to win this game. That didn't happen.
But TCU is more of a direct competitor for recruits and mindshare, so I'm certainly okay with them losing.
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I like the purple pussies in the 2nd half
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Uh, they're both....
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Wow. Ksu wins in OT.
12-1 or whatever, tcu just doesn’t seem all that good.
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The only think I have to say is UT has scoreboard on the Big 12 champs
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that's the only think you have to thing about
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Only thing we have to think about now, is which bowl we'll be in, and who we'll be playing. Washington in the Alamo would be a good matchup for us. There are some potential teams I've seen mentioned, that would be significantly less so.
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Doesnt the Alamo Bowl have a tie in with the Pac 12?
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Doesnt the Alamo Bowl have a tie in with the Pac 12?
Yep. Big 12 and Pac-12.
OU played Oregon there last year.
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Yep. Big 12 and Pac-12.
OU played Oregon there last year.
didnt UT play Oregon the year before
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I looked it up
In 2020 we played Colorado in the Alamo Bowl and in 2019 we played Utah in the Alamo Bowl
won both
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Doesnt the Alamo Bowl have a tie in with the Pac 12?
Yes, I wasn't saying there were other teams we'd play in the Alamo Bowl. I was referring to other teams we'd play, in other bowl games. For example, one that's been brought up is Notre Dame, in the Cheezit Bowl. I think that's a tougher matchup for us, than Washington would be.
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Yes, I wasn't saying there were other teams we'd play in the Alamo Bowl. I was referring to other teams we'd play, in other bowl games. For example, one that's been brought up is Notre Dame, in the Cheezit Bowl. I think that's a tougher matchup for us, than Washington would be.
I saw a projection for that awhile back. Saw one for OU vs. Notre Dame in the Cheez-It as well, prior to our 1-3 stretch "run."
But today I read that the Gator Bowl and the Holiday Bowl are fighting it out over who gets the Irish.
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I'd rather party in San Diego but, better recruiting in Florida
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The Alamo is the best of the "good but not great" bowls. Perfect for Texas' "good but not great" season. Unlikely I'll be able to attend in person, but it'll certainly be a fun atmosphere.
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Yes Alamo is appropriate for Texas' season. I anticipate several opt-outs, but that'll be true for pretty much everyone not headed to the CFP.
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Yes Alamo is appropriate for Texas' season. I anticipate several opt-outs, but that'll be true for pretty much everyone not headed to the CFP.
Texas will play Washington
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Yup it's an interesting matchup, given Sark's and PK's history there.
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Yup it's an interesting matchup, given Sark's and PK's history there.
Horns are favored by 3.5
Time to buckle up
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Who knows who will actually play after opt-outs and whatnot.
Just hoping the extra practice time helps Ewers improve.
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game reps vs a PAC defense might help with his confidence
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Sark said his bowl strategy was to have his position coaches clean up fundamentals at their respective positions for a week, then spend the next week or so installing bowl game offenses.
Fans are usually alarmed to find out that college players and coaches don't really have sufficient time in-season to drill out basic mistakes in footwork and technique. There's barely enough time to review game film and install the strategies for the next game.
Ewers definitely lost a lost of the finesse during his injury time out. It'll be instructive to see how much he can recapture before the bowl game.
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Looks like Bijan, RoJo, and Overshown are all skipping the bowl game. I assume that means Bijan is going to the NFL draft this spring.
I'd love to have them for the game but I can't fault these guys with NFL star potential, for wanting to avoid any further risk, in a meaningless exhibition game.
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I’ve grown to loathe these meaningless bowl games over the years. I’m hoping as the CFP expands, and fewer people tune into to non-CFP bowl games, they will die a slow death. And with CFP games not being meaningless, fewer players will opt out, making these handful of games exciting.
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I don't mind them, as long as we all understand them for what they are-- pre-season tune-up games for next year' team.
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I’ve grown to loathe these meaningless bowl games over the years. I’m hoping as the CFP expands, and fewer people tune into to non-CFP bowl games, they will die a slow death. And with CFP games not being meaningless, fewer players will opt out, making these handful of games exciting.
I watch every game and enjoy them a lot
I also would like to lower their number from 42 to no more then 30 but other then that full speed ahead
anytime my Horns play Im there
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Yeah I like having the bowl games on as background, even the earlier ones. It's better than no college football at all.
Like I said, as long as you understand they're just a preview of next year's teams, and don't put any stock in the outcomes, they're harmless and even enjoyable.
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I bet for many players, a bowl game is a mostly fun gig. They get feted, get to travel somewhere perhaps interesting and new, get more practice time, and may get to play more than they otherwise might. They get some swag and are on TV.
If you bring 85 players to the bowl, I figure 20 or so almost never see the field, usually. They could get that shot especially if they are frosh.
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I’ve grown to loathe these meaningless bowl games over the years. I’m hoping as the CFP expands, and fewer people tune into to non-CFP bowl games, they will die a slow death. And with CFP games not being meaningless, fewer players will opt out, making these handful of games exciting.
Any coach will tell you the extra practices are invaluable. Neaux to doing away with bowl games, even "meaningless" ones.
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yup, I'd rather my fav team played in one and played well enough to win
the practices and victories add up
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Any coach will tell you the extra practices are invaluable. Neaux to doing away with bowl games, evening "meaningless" ones.
They're all meaningless outside of the ones that impact the NC, which is now limited to only the CFP games.
And they always have been.
I think the real problem is that for some reason over the past couple decades, fans have attempted to put way more stock in the outcomes, than the coaches or players ever have.
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yup, I'd rather my fav team played in one and played well enough to win
the practices and victories add up
Well sure, even though the games are meaningless, I always want to see my team win rather than lose. I mean, in many cases that's next year's team that's out there playing, and you want to have some hope for the future.
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They're all meaningless outside of the ones that impact the NC, which is now limited to only the CFP games.
And they always have been.
I think the real problem is that for some reason over the past couple decades, fans have attempted to put way more stock in the outcomes, than the coaches or players ever have.
Meh....I've never heard of a player from our school who didn't want to win a game they played. I suspect it's the same for players at most schools. The games may not affect the NC but competitors want to win any time they step on the field, and I don't think they treat any game as meaningless. Some coaches certainly do, but again, others don't.
If nothing else, the the payouts are different, so it matters to an AD which bowl you make, but probably not in the SEC which (I think?) does an equal split revenue sharing from bowls. And it matters to a school's all-time record, so as a fan, that matters to me. One game per year won't do much to a team's all time win%, but over time those games can move the dial a tiny bit.
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For most bowls outside of the top ones, ADs actually lose money. But they're part of the TV contract so there's no way to opt out of them.
Plenty of players don't care-- that's why so many are opting out now. That's not a NEW thing, it's just more acceptable now to opt out. Previously those guys didn't want to play, but didn't feel like they had a choice.
Some fans are putting WAY more stock into the outcomes than the players and coaches.
But if you care, that's totally cool. I'm just pointing out to folks like Gigem whose feelings have changed over time, that the bowls themselves haven't really changed. They were created to be exhibitions, and that's what they've always been.
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Again, that's true some of the time. I've never seen the LSU player that didn't care about the Sugar Bowl, for example, regardless of whether it was it was not the BCSCG or a playoff game. I don't know many of our fans who don't care about it either. In fact, most every LSU fan I've ever known finds even the lesser bowls exciting and roots for the team to end the year on a high note. Most don't feel LSU's season "ends" with A&M or the SECCG. And I can tell you for sure that fans didn't take it well when LSU didn't even get a bowl in 2020, and not just for the season it meant they had.
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For most bowls outside of the top ones, ADs actually lose money. But they're part of the TV contract so there's no way to opt out of them.
Plenty of players don't care-- that's why so many are opting out now. That's not a NEW thing, it's just more acceptable now to opt out. Previously those guys didn't want to play, but didn't feel like they had a choice.
Some fans are putting WAY more stock into the outcomes than the players and coaches.
But if you care, that's totally cool. I'm just pointing out to folks like Gigem whose feelings have changed over time, that the bowls themselves haven't really changed. They were created to be exhibitions, and that's what they've always been.
What bowl does aggie play
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Again, that's true some of the time. I've never seen the LSU player that didn't care about the Sugar Bowl, for example, regardless of whether it was it was not the BCSCG or a playoff game. I don't know many of our fans who don't care about it either. In fact, most every LSU fan I've ever known finds even the lesser bowls exciting and roots for the team to end the year on a high note. Most don't feel LSU's season "ends" with A&M or the SECCG. And I can tell you for sure that fans didn't take it well when LSU didn't even get a bowl in 2020, and not just for the season it meant they had.
You have no idea which players care and which players don't. I can guarantee you that there are players on EVERY team, that don't care. Including LSU.
Or has nobody ever opted out in all of LSU's bowl history?
And like I already said (twice), yes there are fans that freak out when the team misses a bowl. That's my point-- fans care more than the players and coaches. Well, aside from the fact that coaches value the extra practice time, as preparation for next year.
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That's true, but it's disingenuous to say that there's no possible finger on the pulse or idea of what the overall, general feeling is shared by most players. Our guys have wanted to play, for the most part. Even in the case of at least one opt-out I know about, it was strictly a decision not to risk himself prior to the combine or pro-day or whatever. Kid did want to play the game but was advised not to, and probably had other pressures. He's probably not alone.
The WR who had to play QB in the bowl vs. K-State last year famously said when asked about having only 39 scholarship players for the game "This is LSU. If we have 22 we're going to play." I think that's far more typical of the kids in our program. I assume it's the same at most programs, but ymmv. I think there's only a small handful of kids who don't want to get out on the field with their teammates again and do their best.
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I think the real problem is that for some reason over the past couple decades, fans have attempted to put way more stock in the outcomes, than the coaches or players ever have.
well, this can be said for ANY game or scrimmage
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Tom Osborne is on record as saying a come from behind win in the 1976 Astro-Bluebonnet bowl saved his job
so, it was to him and a few others quite important
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That's true, but it's disingenuous to say that there's no possible finger on the pulse or idea of what the overall, general feeling is shared by most players. Our guys have wanted to play, for the most part. Even in the case of at least one opt-out I know about, it was strictly a decision not to risk himself prior to the combine or pro-day or whatever. Kid did want to play the game but was advised not to, and probably had other pressures. He's probably not alone.
The WR who had to play QB in the bowl vs. K-State last year famously said when asked about having only 39 scholarship players for the game "This is LSU. If we have 22 we're going to play." I think that's far more typical of the kids in our program. I assume it's the same at most programs, but ymmv. I think there's only a small handful of kids who don't want to get out on the field with their teammates again and do their best.
I've been to bowl games, where our team lost, and then went out on the town afterwards, and I've seen our players out there partying and having a good old time. They weren't broken up about it. Fans were pissed, and the players weren't. Sure, they probably tried to win, you might as well if you have to play, but when they didn't win, they were fine with it.
I expect that's true of most programs, I guess YMMV.
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My view of bowl games may possibly be tainted by the poor showing we had for the first 15 or so years of my fandom. Something like 10 losses and 2 wins will do that to you.
But hey, obviously it was because the players didn't care.
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Tom Osborne is on record as saying a come from behind win in the 1976 Astro-Bluebonnet bowl saved his job
so, it was to him and a few others quite important
Mack Brown is on record saying the only important thing about making a bowl game, is getting the extra practice for next year's team.
Tons of coaches feel that way.
There's a disconnect between fans' objectives, and the coaches' and teams'. And it's been that way for a long, long time.
Bowl games were created to be rewards, meaningless exhibition games. And they still are.
But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them, or that I don't want my team to win. Of course I do. I just don't place much value on the outcomes.
The game of football was meant to be enjoyed. By the players, and by the fans watching. It's what happens on each play, inside those white lines, that's supposed to provide the entertainment. In some ways, the bowl games are the last remaining expression of that, simply because they ARE meaningless exhibitions.
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I agree, but some are obviously more important than others
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If the generic state, city, flower, fruit, natural phenomenon, and/or corporate-name bowl is meaningless because teams are not playing for the NC, then what is the meaning of any game after a team is eliminated from winning its conference?
OU was mathematically eliminated from making the CCG this year NLT 5 November.
UT was eliminated last year NLT 6 November.
I didn't consider the remaining games meaningless. I hope our coaches and players didn't either. This year, in OU's case, the bowl game is the difference between having a winning or losing season. We haven't had a losing season since 1998. I'm sure that there is an institutional desire to keep that streak of winning seasons intact.
And there's recruiting to consider.
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I didn't consider the remaining games meaningless
Yes, this is my point.
I hope our coaches and players didn't either.
I can't speak for Venables, but many many many coaches have said they don't care about bowl game results, other than considering the extra practices to be important... for next year's team.
And the increasing number of players choosing to opt out, tells the story on whether or not the players care. Heck, some are even starting to opt out earlier in the season, if they believe they have NFL potential and their teams are out of contention for conference/national honors.
I know that many fans WANT the team to care deeply about bowl games. The truth is that enough of them don't, that there's no reason to place any importance on their outcomes.
CFP excepted, of course.
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So, about my question. Why aren't all regular-season games also meaningless if your team is out of the running for the CCG?
At the end of the day, of course, there are many more important things in life than even the most important college football game.
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"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."
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So, about my question. Why aren't all regular-season games also meaningless if your team is out of the running for the CCG?
At the end of the day, of course, there are many more important things in life than even the most important college football game.
I addressed it-- we're now seeing players begin to opt out toward the end of the regular season, when their teams are out of contention. I don't expect that to diminish in coming years.
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The Golden Goose fable comes to mind.
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Sure. I'm not saying it's right or I like it.
Bowls have always been season-ending meaningless exhibitions, as they were created to be. But the increasing professionalism of the college sport is certainly trending in a way that displeases a lot of fans. Game attendance continues its annual decrease as colleges price themselves out of the market, and families are finding it increasingly difficult to bring youngsters along, so new fans aren't being created, the way they were decades ago.
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Mack Brown is on record saying the only important thing about making a bowl game, is getting the extra practice for next year's team.
Tons of coaches feel that way.
There's a disconnect between fans' objectives, and the coaches' and teams'. And it's been that way for a long, long time.
Bowl games were created to be rewards, meaningless exhibition games. And they still are.
But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them, or that I don't want my team to win. Of course I do. I just don't place much value on the outcomes.
The game of football was meant to be enjoyed. By the players, and by the fans watching. It's what happens on each play, inside those white lines, that's supposed to provide the entertainment. In some ways, the bowl games are the last remaining expression of that, simply because they ARE meaningless exhibitions.
That reminds me of the glaring difference in how two of our longtime beisbol coaches viewed the SEC Tournament. Skip Bertman didn't give two turds about it. If LSU had won enough games to get to Omaha, particularly with a target seed in mind, he'd use the conference tourney to tinker, or rest guys, or whatever. OTOH, Paul Mainieri absolutely cared about the SEC Tourney and the team threw everything at it.
I didn't have a preference one way or the other, except that I like to watch LSU win rather than lose, but it was a very clear difference to note in their give-a-damns.
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Sure. I'm not saying it's right or I like it.
Bowls have always been season-ending meaningless exhibitions, as they were created to be. But the increasing professionalism of the college sport is certainly trending in a way that displeases a lot of fans. Game attendance continues its annual decrease as colleges price themselves out of the market, and families are finding it increasingly difficult to bring youngsters along, so new fans aren't being created, the way they were decades ago.
Regular-season games aren't even that much fun to attend any more. At least not for 68-year-old me they aren't.
My esposita and I went to the season opener this year. I wanted to attend Brent Venables' first game as OU's HFC.
It was a 2:30 game on a roasting hot--100-degree-plus--day. Someone who at least claimed to know said later that it reached 120 inside the now-completely-bowled-in stadium. People of all ages were being carted out on gurneys.
Which just set the stage for everything else. Non-stop canned music at ear-splitting volume. Exceeding-pain-threshold volume. Simba-Cam. Stupid championship ring races on the jumbotron. Inane announcements and endless recognition of every sponsor and major donor.
Here's what there wasn't: Programs. Updates of other games. Somehow, between the announcements and the video boards and the incredibly phantasmagorical video ring, they couldn't do updates of other games. The opportunity to discuss the previous play, or to speculate on the next play, with the fans around you.
It wasn't fun. I don't care to go back for more.
I have to say that when I went to the Nebraska game in Lincoln a couple of weeks later, it was much better. The announcements were fewer and farther between. There was less canned music. The volume of the PA system was not ear-splitting. My esposita and I could discuss the game with the Nebraska fans around us. The noise was made by human beings cheering their team.
When I posted this comparison on an OU board, I was told that the lack of all the stuff that ruined the day for me at the OU-UTEP game is what has gone wrong with the Husker program.
I am told that recruits love the "awesome" atmosphere at the games with nonstop ear-splitting noise. Maybe so. But it's not for me.
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Regular-season games aren't even that much fun to attend any more. At least not for 68-year-old me they aren't.
My esposita and I went to the season opener this year. I wanted to attend Brent Venables' first game as OU's HFC.
It was a 2:30 game on a roasting hot--100-degree-plus--day. Someone who at least claimed to know said later that it reached 120 inside the now-completely-bowled-in stadium. People of all ages were being carted out on gurneys.
Which just set the stage for everything else. Non-stop canned music at ear-splitting volume. Exceeding-pain-threshold volume. Simba-Cam. Stupid championship ring races on the jumbotron. Inane announcements and endless recognition of every sponsor and major donor.
Here's what there wasn't: Programs. Updates of other games. Somehow, between the announcements and the video boards and the incredibly phantasmagorical video ring, they couldn't do updates of other games. The opportunity to discuss the previous play, or to speculate on the next play, with the fans around you.
It wasn't fun. I don't care to go back for more.
I have to say that when I went to the Nebraska game in Lincoln a couple of weeks later, it was much better. The announcements were fewer and farther between. There was less canned music. The volume of the PA system was not ear-splitting. My esposita and I could discuss the game with the Nebraska fans around us. The noise was made by human beings cheering their team.
When I posted this comparison on an OU board, I was told that the lack of all the stuff that ruined the day for me at the OU-UTEP game is what has gone wrong with the Husker program.
I am told that recruits love the "awesome" atmosphere at the games with nonstop ear-splitting noise. Maybe so. But it's not for me.
I'm with you on a lot of that stuff. I only attend 1 or maybe 2 games at DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium per year, anymore, for a lot of the same reasons.
You should go and attend a TX-OU game at the Cotton Bowl. It's like a step back in time to the late 80s or early 90s. There are still some ads over the loudspeakers and some visual ads inside the stadium, but they're few and far between. You get a ton more of the bands, and the cheerleaders, and the fans themselves leading stadium yells. It's refreshing.
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When I posted this comparison on an OU board, I was told that the lack of all the stuff that ruined the day for me at the OU-UTEP game is what has gone wrong with the Husker program.
and then the Sooners proceeded to go 3-6 in conference
the same as the Huskers
it's about the coaching - not the jumbotron
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There is all of that, and there's also the type of fan it has created. I've probably mentioned this before, but the last few (rare) appearances I've made at Tiger Stadium in the last 10 years has introduced me to a very different crowd than what I'd always known before. Bunch of trophy-wife soccer moms playing on their cell phones the entire time, gossiping about their Real Housewife lives and utterly ignoring the game. They couldn't tell you anything happening on the field and probably don't care. If you have the audacity to stand up and cheer a bunch of dude-fans I don't recognize yell at you to sit down because you're blocking their view.
There's a lot to be said about LSU's slow descent into pricing out the average fan (although the new AD seems better about that), but the atmosphere in the stadium centered around crowd-personality is such a key thing that is so very different than what I remember growing up and on through my 20's.
I love watching the team play in person, but I like to get excited. I like to stand up and cheer. I like to leave hoarse. I don't care for the confrontations that have occurred when people yell at me to sit the **** down and I politely tell them to STFU.
The first time this happened UTerin03 and her hubby had given me extra tickets they had through his company for the A&M game. She can attest to grabbing me by the hoodie and jerking me back to my seat when I got hot under the collar about a couple of guys sitting behind us who kept cursing me and yelling at me to sit down. IMO they should've been standing and cheering for their team putting a massive beatdown on Johnny Football and Mike Evans, but ultimately she was a blessing because I'd definitely have gotten my ass kicked. Probably.
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Bunch of trophy-wife soccer moms playing on their cell phones the entire time, gossiping about their Real Housewife lives and utterly ignoring the game. They couldn't tell you anything happening on the field and probably don't care. If you have the audacity to stand up and cheer a bunch of dude-fans I don't recognize yell at you to sit down because you're blocking their view.
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yup, all comes from corporate tickets and country club types thinkin it's a social event to be seen at
instead of real fans - cause the real fans can't afford the tickets
put the rich folks and corporate money in the nose bleed sections and endzones, they don't care anyway
let the blue collar fans and students have the inexpensive sections near the field where they can make their voices heard by the opposing team
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Good point, the fan themselves are changing. Some of it is corporate, but I also think a current "average fan" is now more interested in distractions (including but not limited to cell phones), than an "average fan" was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.
But I do sometimes wonder how loud/crazy fans were, back in the 40s/50s/60s? The vintage pictures I see show men dressed in suits and hats, women dressed in dresses and finery. Were they all that loud and obnoxious? Were they reserved and refined?
Is our view of what a "fan" should be, limited by our experience, which is largely in the 70s-thru-present?
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and then the Sooners proceeded to go 3-6 in conference
the same as the Huskers
it's about the coaching - not the jumbotron
Amen, brother!
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I watched portions of the game last night and my impression was, bear with me, this is a shocker, the Texas OL is not very good.
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I watched portions of the game last night and my impression was, bear with me, this is a shocker, the Texas OL is not very good.
It's actually better than it was a year ago, believe it or not.
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Good point, the fan themselves are changing. Some of it is corporate, but I also think a current "average fan" is now more interested in distractions (including but not limited to cell phones), than an "average fan" was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.
But I do sometimes wonder how loud/crazy fans were, back in the 40s/50s/60s? The vintage pictures I see show men dressed in suits and hats, women dressed in dresses and finery. Were they all that loud and obnoxious? Were they reserved and refined?
Is our view of what a "fan" should be, limited by our experience, which is largely in the 70s-thru-present?
I think I went to my first college football games in 1965. We went to a couple of TU (U. of Tulsa) games that year. Jerry Rhome had been runner-up for the Heisman the year before, and the team had beaten Ole Miss in the Bluebonnet Bowl, so there was some juice around the football program. '65 was another good year, another trip to the Bluebonnet Bowl (a loss to Tennessee) and another Heisman runner-up in Howard Twilley. It's hard to recall what the fans were wearing, but I'm pretty sure that most people were not wearing blue-and-gold attire that they would not wear in a normal business or social environment. I remember that the band--which was small--wore black slacks, gold lame' jackets, and black derby hats. The Tulsa program went downhill later in the decade, and so did our attendance at games. The father of a friend of mine took both of us to the Tulsa-North Texas State game in Denton in his Beech Bonanza in 1967. I don't remember much about that game except that Tulsa got drilled.
Next college football game I went to was my freshman year at OU, 1972. I was in a fraternity and I sat in the card section. I generally wore slacks, white shirt, a red tie (or bow tie) and a sweater vest with a red "driver cap." Nobody, but nobody, was painted up red and white. One guy named Cecil Samara always dressed in red and white, and he was a sort of self-made celebrity for doing that, plus driving a red-and-white Ford Model T named the Big Red Rocket. The game was the focus. The fans were there to watch the game, not to get on TV, and TV did not continually pan the stands looking for goofballs. In fact, only one or two games a year were televised. There was no canned nose, musical or otherwise. except for updates of scores in other games and some announcements at halftime. No jumbotron telling us to make noise. There was cheering when things went well, and booing of the officials when they made bad calls (i.e., calls that went against us), but there was no requirement or expectation that fans were there to generate constant noise. One of the male cheerleaders, a few times each game, would lead the crowd in "When I say Red, you say White/When I say Go, you say Fight."
I think that there was somewhat more choreographed jackassery going on by the 1976 season. By about 1980, the card section was abolished because the students threw their cards in the air after they were done. Those cards were heavy, and they could hurt if they hit you.
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Thanks for the details and perspective.
It's interesting to me how the sport, and the spectacle, has changed over the years.
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I was at UGA '72-'75 and went to a few games. The stadium seated 64,000 and was rarely anywhere near full, or very loud. Folks did dress up, but as noted, no one was outrageous. TV was very rare. I think student tickets cost a buck each.
I was at UNC '75-'80 and never attended a game, I could hear the crowd when I'd go to work on Saturdays, they sounded polite.
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Thanks for the details and perspective.
It's interesting to me how the sport, and the spectacle, has changed over the years.
It's hard to compare what I experienced at 18 to what I now experience at 68. Everything is different, not the least my expectations, and memories are imperfect.
Also, much changed between 1976 and 1996, when I next attended an OU game. (It was a blowout loss to Kansas, and that was a major change in itself.) So, it's hard to grasp what changed when.
I attended Army football games for 3 years in the '90s, and I enjoyed them. I encountered tailgating for the first time. 38,000-seat Michie stadium was never full. Expectations were not the highest. It was fun to be with my friends/colleagues in the stadium discussing the game as it progressed and cheering when good things happened for the Army team. I never attended an Army-Navy game, but it was obviously a more pressurized atmosphere than Army vs. Gerry Faust's Akron Zips.
But here in 2022, it seems to be an order (or two) of magnitude less enjoyable to go to a game than it was 50 years ago. I imagine that it is less enjoyable to attend Army games now than it was in the '90s as well.
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In 1979 when a Southern Cal team full of all-stars came into Tiger Stadium and the outgunned Tigers nearly pulled it off, the crowd atmosphere is legendary. To this day many fans swear there has never been anything like it in Tiger Stadium, which is saying something. Bear Bryant claimed that playing at LSU was not fair because of the shape of the stadium and how it trapped the noise inside and funneled it to the field, and that it was not a good place for a visiting team (despite that they usually won in Baton Rouge). I believe he said that during the 60's.
I can't speak for the rest of cfb, but the Louisiana crowd seems to have been raucous well before my time.
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Thats interesting
Feel free to set up a LSU Football thread
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You get coal in your stocking this year or something?
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You get coal in your stocking this year or something?
Nope just thought Id offer some good ol Texas hospitality
We Horns want our future SEC brother to feel welcome
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It's not football but RIP Coach Gus, who passed away today.
https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/2023/01/02/legendary-longhorn-baseball-coach-cliff-gustafson-dies-at-91/69771103007/
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It's not football but RIP Coach Gus, who passed away today.
https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/2023/01/02/legendary-longhorn-baseball-coach-cliff-gustafson-dies-at-91/69771103007/
I probably watched 40 or more Cliff Coached games
RIP Coach
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AP Top 25 is out, Horns hang on at #25.
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- Georgia (63 1st-place votes)
- TCU
- Michigan
- Ohio State
- Alabama
- Tennessee
- Penn State
- Washington
- Tulane
- Utah
- Florida State
- USC
- Clemson
- Kansas State
- Oregon
- LSU
- Oregon State
- Notre Dame
- Troy
- Mississippi State
- UCLA
- Pittsburgh
- South Carolina
- Fresno State
- Texas
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is this 2022 or 2023
Final AP Poll for the 2022/3 season.
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I would have dropped TCU to 3rd or 4th.
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I would have dropped TCU to 3rd or 4th.
I guess the voters respected the fact that TCU had to play an extra game, and that they beat Michigan fair and square between the white lines. I'm okay with the ranking, it's not like anything other than #1 really matters anyway.
The plaque for alternates is down in the ladies' room. :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/RruCg5O.jpg)
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I guess the voters respected the fact that TCU had to play an extra game, and that they beat Michigan fair and square between the white lines. I'm okay with the ranking, it's not like anything other than #1 really matters anyway.
The plaque for alternates is down in the ladies' room. :)
There's no objectively right or wrong answer, but here's my thinking.
TCU's regular season was impressive, but not dominant. They beat SMU by 8, Kansas by 7, oSu by 3 in 2OT, and Baylor by 1.
TCU didn't win the Big 12 CCG. They lost it in OT to a team that got smoked in the Sugar Bowl.
In the CFP semis, they narrowly beat Michigan, who was the B1G champion and who stomped Ohio State in the regular season. That would have ensured them at least a #2 final ranking.
Except that in the NCG they lost in the biggest blowout in bowl game history.
I think that Michigan, at 13-1, despite its 6-point loss to TCU, produced a better body of work than TCU at 13-2.
The case for Ohio State, at 11-2, passing TCU would be much weaker. I'd stick with TCU at #3.
As you say, all that matters (nowadays) is #1.
Once upon a time that was not the case. It was a thing that at least seemed to matter when FSU went a dozen or so years finishing in the AP top 5.
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Yup, really nobody remembers a few years later who finished #2. I looked it up and it turns out Oregon actually won their first CFP game and lost the final. I guess I remembered they made it to the CFP at some point but I have no recollection of those games actually occurring.
In college football, we talk about the Top 25, the Top 10, and the champ. Those are the accepted annual benchmarks for "good, better, best" and years later, there's little or no discernable difference between #2 and #10.
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Maybe for the fans there is.
I enjoyed when LSU finished in the top 5 several years in a row, I know many other fans did too. I recall many Longhorn acquaintances in Austin who were proud of the fact Texas had finished with X consecutive 10-win seasons.
Things like that probably don't matter to cfb fans in general, but they may well matter to a particular team's fans.
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Maybe for the fans there is.
I enjoyed when LSU finished in the top 5 several years in a row, I know many other fans did too. I recall many Longhorn acquaintances in Austin who were proud of the fact Texas had finished with X consecutive 10-win seasons.
Things like that probably don't matter to cfb fans in general, but they may well matter to a particular team's fans.
Sure, but of course I am speaking about cfb fans in general.
I'd always rather see my team finish #2 than #10. And I'd rather finish #11 than #25.
But years later, it all gets truncated and compiled and collated into who won the NC, who finished Top 10, who finished Top 25.
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I figure a top 5 finish suggests your team was competitive with anyone, but slipped up somewhere. A second 5 finish probably means you were almost competitive and could beat anyone at times, but likely didn't. I also like to think about a kind of "Las Vegas Power Ranking" which would order teams according to some theoretical spread, e.g., maybe UGA and Bama would have a spread of UGA -3 or somesuch, and so on. That would likely end up with OSU at 2 and Bama at 3 and Michigan at 4 ... TCU might be 12.
I'm just musing about how worried I'd be if my team played "X".
Now, to be more fair, TCU lost the TO battle 3-0 to UGA, and frankly they seemed struck by the lights. If they played again, maybe the score is a lot more respectable, say 34-17 or something. Was UGA really the best team? Maybe, but I think it's close, and they could have lost to Bama/OSU/Michigan/Tenn without it being a shocker, to me.
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TCU didn't play its best game against Georgia. Georgia didn't play its best game against Ohio State. Ohio State didn't play its best game against Michigan. Michigan didn't play its best game against TCU.
Only one of those teams in that circuit didn't play its best game and yet survived with a win. That's the stuff a championship team is made of.
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I think Ohio State was pretty good (duh).
But this thread is about Texas, sort of ...
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I think Ohio State was pretty good (duh).
But this thread is about Texas, sort of ...
Thread titles are mostly дезинформация (dezinformatsiya).
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I think Ohio State was pretty good (duh).
But this thread is about Texas, sort of ...
Michigan and TCU were pretty good, too.
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I still find the ups and downs of CFB to be ... entertaining, e.g., how a team can look pedestrian one week and awesome the next, or later. I know at times the matchups are unfavorable, and A>B>C>A ...
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Steve Sarkisian and the Texas Longhorns are adding a prominent ex-Big Ten coach to their football coaching staff.
Paul Chryst, a former head football coach at the University of Wisconsin, is joining the Texas football program, according to multiple reports.
Chryst is expected to serve as an offensive analyst to Sarkisian and Co.
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Steve Sarkisian and the Texas Longhorns are adding a prominent ex-Big Ten coach to their football coaching staff.
Paul Chryst, a former head football coach at the University of Wisconsin, is joining the Texas football program, according to multiple reports.
Chryst is expected to serve as an offensive analyst to Sarkisian and Co.
Hmmm, I wonder what's @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) 's take on this?
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Pretty big step down, but probably what he needed. I'm really not even sure he wanted to be the head man anymore. He didn't act like it.
I recall when UT was trying to steal him out of Madison back in 2010 or so, to be the OC in Austin rather than Madison.
He'll add a lot of perspective in the run game for sure. He knows football.
Just failed to evolve with the times. Hated fund raising, did not embrace the portal and wanted nothing to do with NIL. Made some poor hires on the offensive side of the ball and let them stay too long.
Given his background as an OC and knowing his personality, this is probably a great job for him, at the perfect time. I wish him well.
Maybe @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) can lend more to this.
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Well here it is, in draft form at least. UT's 2024 football schedule. No official dates yet for the SEC games but opponents and home/away have been determined. Looks like fun!
(https://i.imgur.com/VOWeNvZ.jpg)
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piece of cake
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I wish we had either the ags or pigs at home, because those are fun rivalry games.
But I'm certainly excited about home games with Georgia and Florida. And the road game @Ann Arbor will hopefully be pretty epic.
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Maybe I might come visit with the Dawgs ... we should still be decent, and Texas by then will be awesome.
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I focus a lot on the OL, and this is where my attention is still occupied. If I had to design a perfect world for a collegiate OL, this would largely be it. Two consecutive classes of top talent recruiting coupled with two entire offseasons being taught by a proven OL coach.
Going into this season, Texas has exactly that. There's no off-the-shelf replacement for Bijan Robinson (heck, replacing Roschon Johnson is rare for college football), so it's imperative that the OL make progress.
I know better, though, then to assume the OL will reach my expectations. Five talented players don't make a talented line. Five players doing the same thing at the same time do. One isn't ever guaranteed from the other.
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Perhaps the most notable thing about the recent run of success with UGA has been elite line play on both sides. This may come as a shock to most here, but it's important.
I think you can do quite well with an elite mobile QB and "pretty good" line play. You also can manage with a pretty good QB and elite line play.
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The state of Texas has so many football camps and such available to youngsters growing up that talent arriving in college is perfectly adept at reading a defense and knowing where to go. Sark prefers this sort of mental QB who wins the play pre-snap. If you don't do anything about it, both the receiver and the QB know how to attack the defense before the play starts.
This works perfectly if nothing is thrown off schedule. With a clean pocket, the QB steps up, executes his mechanics, and puts the ball in a spot on time. it makes it look easy.
Of course, the defense is trying to stop this. The most direct way is to disrupt the whole thing by making the QB reset and play off-schedule. This is where Texas has fallen woefully short for over a decade.
If you're Boise State or something, you might need to get creative with blocking schemes, shifting power, etc. Sark and Flood figure there's no reason why a school like Texas shouldn't be able to go the direct route. Recruit and train big, strong bastards that simply win the fight with the guy in front of them. If you have your choice, that's the way to go.
That said, those gorillas have to learn a ton of footwork, hand placement, and other technique.
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They also would be facing equally elite players when they get to the playoffs.
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I idly wonder if you play a "weak schedule" with a powerful OL if they develop bad habits, because it doesn't matter, until you face an elite DL later.
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I idly wonder if you play a "weak schedule" with a powerful OL if they develop bad habits, because it doesn't matter, until you face an elite DL later.
My feeling is this strategy harmed the likes of Tech and Baylor in the past. They would book impossibly easy OOC opponents. Then, they'd never be able to accurately diagnose a problem until league play started. Then, it was far too late to troubleshoot.
Granted, neither had conventionally "elite" OLs, but the concept is sound.
Fans get really PO'ed when the OL doesn't substantially improve over the course of a season. In reality, OL play really does come down to those exacting foot and hand placements. They have to be practiced to the point of rote, since during a play, you'll have to perform them in what's essentially a dynamic road accident. You'll have too much to think about to remember techniques.
In season, it's just not possible to devote enough time to drilling those techniques. weekly practice is too busy installing the offense for Saturday's game to spend eliminating poor technique. Having the NCAA allow position coaches to instruct during the summer workouts was a lightning bolt boon for Texas.
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I idly wonder if you play a "weak schedule" with a powerful OL if they develop bad habits, because it doesn't matter, until you face an elite DL later.
depends on coaching
If not held accountable, yes
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https://twitter.com/HornSports/status/1694432267685269713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694432267685269713%7Ctwgr%5E0ce04759d533743d4b4aaa424b3512d521dd06cb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1694432267685269713%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1694432267685269713257Ctwgr255E3d8a9be33959199812c8d46952ecad2ab995b97a257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1694432267685269713
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Zounds, could be interesting.
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https://twitter.com/HornSports/status/1694432267685269713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694432267685269713%7Ctwgr%5E0ce04759d533743d4b4aaa424b3512d521dd06cb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1694432267685269713%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1694432267685269713257Ctwgr255E3d8a9be33959199812c8d46952ecad2ab995b97a257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1694432267685269713
cant read it it wont open
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just to get into the proper frame of mind for this coming season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N5XWRhSYQA
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Texas could well be 15-0 this season ...
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Texas could well be 15-0 this season ...
I think they will drop a few games but will be much improved
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I think they will drop a few games but will be much improved
Agree. This isn't a 15-0 type of team. 9-3 with no blowout losses would show reasonable improvement.
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They also could go 14-1.
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The WR group checks all the boxes. Multiple home run threats, possession receivers, everything. The RB group has not-as-good-as-Bijan talent, but each one would be the unquestioned starter on any other Big 12 team. JT Sanders changes defenses just by being on the field.
So now we look at Quinn and the OL.
I think its obvious that Ewers has all the gifts. As a high schooler, he could just use those gifts. That's not enough to win games at Texas, but Sark gave him all the refinements needed to be the game changer. We saw it before he was hurt. After he returned from injury, he spent too many games playing like a talented high schooler rather than remembering his coaching. We're told he's fully steeped in the Sark wisdom. I believe he is, but show me.
I want to believe that I'm looking at the best OL in America. They're picked and trained by Kyle Flood. This should be the OL that just resets the DL backwards 3 yards. No one knows how good an OL is, though, until they're pounded on by an angry defense. By then, it's too late to fix. How good is this OL really?
Does the Texas defense have a Brian Orakpo level pass rusher? Every level of the defense has athletic playmakers that can stifle an opponent, but not if the QB has all day - as Texas fans have seen too often. Unlike the offense, I don't have any pass rushing candidates I can talk up using evidence. Right now, this is my biggest concern. I have to just hope one arrives.
Obviously and rightly, Alabama will be favored. Texas will be the favorite in every other game. They have the fewest question marks entering the season. I expect this to be an exceptional team. Will they be legendary?
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The WR group checks all the boxes. Multiple home run threats, possession receivers, everything. The RB group has not-as-good-as-Bijan talent, but each one would be the unquestioned starter on any other Big 12 team. JT Sanders changes defenses just by being on the field.
So now we look at Quinn and the OL.
I think its obvious that Ewers has all the gifts. As a high schooler, he could just use those gifts. That's not enough to win games at Texas, but Sark gave him all the refinements needed to be the game changer. We saw it before he was hurt. After he returned from injury, he spent too many games playing like a talented high schooler rather than remembering his coaching. We're told he's fully steeped in the Sark wisdom. I believe he is, but show me.
I want to believe that I'm looking at the best OL in America. They're picked and trained by Kyle Flood. This should be the OL that just resets the DL backwards 3 yards. No one knows how good an OL is, though, until they're pounded on by an angry defense. By then, it's too late to fix. How good is this OL really?
Does the Texas defense have a Brian Orakpo level pass rusher? Every level of the defense has athletic playmakers that can stifle an opponent, but not if the QB has all day - as Texas fans have seen too often. Unlike the offense, I don't have any pass rushing candidates I can talk up using evidence. Right now, this is my biggest concern. I have to just hope one arrives.
Obviously and rightly, Alabama will be favored. Texas will be the favorite in every other game. They have the fewest question marks entering the season. I expect this to be an exceptional team. Will they be legendary?
I think you trust the overall and gameday coaching more than I do.
But they can certainly prove me wrong. I hope they do.
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A dominant OL makes all the coaches look like geniuses.
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Yeah, I guess I'll believe we have a dominant o-line, when I see it. Don't forget how poor, improper play-calling can subvert an otherwise excellent line.
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A dominant OL makes all the coaches look like geniuses.
made Tom Osborne and a boat load of average and crappy QBs look genius
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https://twitter.com/InsideTexas/status/1696197851582283993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1696197851582283993%7Ctwgr%5E489b450ba3345fd19c373fd66f4df1c3bd8c25e1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FInsideTexas%2Fstatus%2F1696197851582283993%3Ft%3DPpAfTb1rKgXu1emOrcGxHw26s%3D19
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Steve Sarkisian on B12 Commissioner Brett Yormark's comments where he's openly cheering for Tech to beat Texas: "I got a letter from the commissioner about sportsmanship the day before that speech. So I'm trying to figure out what are we promoting to our student-athletes and then to go say those types of things.
I'm guessing he's not going to have his Thanksgiving dinner with us the night before the game."
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Its amazing how fast some folks play the race card
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Its amazing how fast some folks play the race card
I'm not sure what this is referring to?
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I'm not sure what this is referring to?
sorry I thought you had seen this
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/texas-longhorns-embrace-the-hate-shirt-somehow-leads-outrage-social-media
https://clutchpoints.com/texas-football-news-longhorns-embrace-the-hate-shirt-becomes-viral-controversy
https://americanwirenews.com/university-of-texas-longhorns-new-slogan-triggers-social-media-outrage/
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anyway no big deal some folks just look for things to be offended at
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Oh, hadn't seen any of that. Much ado about nothing.
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Oh, hadn't seen any of that. Much ado about nothing.
thats also the way I see it
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Mrs. DeTiger asked me the other day how Texas was supposed to look. Instead of saying "Woman, I don't even know how my team is supposed to look, what makes you think I have any idea about the Longhorns?" I said, "Yes, of course I have a good idea, but let me check to be sure."
Help me look like a genius.
How are the Horns supposed to look this year?
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Mrs. DeTiger asked me the other day how Texas was supposed to look. Instead of saying "Woman, I don't even know how my team is supposed to look, what makes you think I have any idea about the Longhorns?" I said, "Yes, of course I have a good idea, but let me check to be sure."
Help me look like a genius.
How are the Horns supposed to look this year?
seasoned offensive front line returning qb looked good in the spring game
good receivers and running backs
Texas should average over 30 pts per game and win at least 10 games
The big question is our defense
just have to wait and see
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Hey MDT!
Just my personal opinion, I think the Horns will look improved over last year. Something like a 9-3 regular season and hopefully no blowout losses. The oline SHOULD be a team strength for the first time since about 2006. Dline lacks any standout as a rusher, which has also been true of Texas since the mid 2000s, and it usually translates into opposing QBs being able to stand around and just pick us apart.
Offensive skill positions are all good, Defensive secondary should be a strength. Hopefully QB will be a strength, it was pretty... uneven... last year, but we had a lot of injury problems and Ewers was effectively a true freshman who hadn't played a game in 2 years.
So 9-3 with a loss in Tuscaloosa, a couple of losses in B12 play. That MIGHT be good enough to make the B12 CCG, or it might not.
That's just my opinion though.
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That's a pretty good summation.
To wit:
Sark spent more time refining Quinn's mechanics. He battled in preseason last year with Card, which kind of wasted reps. This year, he supposedly was focused on being QB1 and acting like it.
The OL had a better than expected season last year considering all the true freshmen. That line returns largely intact with another year. plus seasoned backups.
The WR group is healthy. Neyor and transfer AD Mitchell are ready to pair with Worthy to run by defenses. JWhitt and Sanders return as known quantities.
The RB room is the best in the nation. If the OL is doing its thing, though, they should be running to daylight.
The defense has a lot of "should be better" units. It's less of a sure thing than the offense. However:
T'Vondre Sweatt and Alfred Collins are playing inside as "contract years". Over their Texas careers, they've shown dominant abilities, but not consistency. Both players have one more season to be "the man".
After that, it gets hand waving. The differences between the LB and DB corps and jobs are subtle. Breaking down their roles is a book in itself. New names to know: Anthony Hill - true frosh LB/Edge. Highly coveted, high skill, high motor. Obviously new.
Jalen Catalon - Transfer from Arky at Safety/DB. Suffered from shoulder injuries over career, but allegedly good to go. One of the hardest hitting Safeties in college football when he's on the field. Texas solidified pass coverage toward the end of last season. Trajectory is up, but let's see it.
I still need to see a pass rusher. A player who can get to the QB reliably will make every layer of the defense better. There's a couple of candidates, but this is not something I can confidently predict.
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I'll tell her "It's complicated."
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I'll tell her "It's complicated."
Well I've got a buddy who says 13-0 and playoff bound, so you COULD tell her that...
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Alabama rematch
Do the Horns even have a chance?
My heart says sure but my head says show me
Just hope we come away with no serious injuries specially at QB
Just hoping also we dont get embarrassed
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I was surprised last years game was so close.
It kinda seems that although Bama is very good, maybe they aren't quite as good as they were. Remind me, where is the game at?
I wouldn't mind seeing Texas win, about time for Bama to stack some L's. We'll get our chance too this year, at Kyle.
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Relying solely on the 1 game sample:
The Texas defense is for real. They have depth at every position. They'll make every game hard on the opponents.
The Texas offense has to pick up the aggression. The OL, particularly the interior guards, were in the right place, but were tentative and hesitant. They must trust their reps and execute violently.
Quinn needs to play like he's the only one on the field. I have no doubt he's drilled footwork and mechanics, but when he's in a game, he's looking around and too aware of the defense. He left a ton of yards by bricking throws I know he can make because he was too concerned with pressure that really wasn't there.
Unless the first half was just an aberration, the Texas offense isn't going to suddenly link up and boat race Alabama. Texas can win by smothering the Bama offense and grabbing easy points from field position. It's there to be had.
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I was surprised last years game was so close.
It kinda seems that although Bama is very good, maybe they aren't quite as good as they were. Remind me, where is the game at?
I wouldn't mind seeing Texas win, about time for Bama to stack some L's. We'll get our chance too this year, at Kyle.
Game is in Tuscaloosa.
Alabama should win. But that's why they play the games.
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as DKR once said only angry people win football games
hope the Horns are angry come next Saturday
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Well, here we are. This is sort of an important game for us.
HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63GRvfUhlA
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Hope for a repeat and a different winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdy5E-B1RcE
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People outside of Texas don't have any idea what we put up with down here:
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1700516569246318828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1700516569246318828%7Ctwgr%5E5191b4efcb3c5f77958234b07d5dfb9d46b45589%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBoardGeniuses%2Fstatus%2F1700516569246318828
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embrace the hate
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(https://i.imgur.com/jyRngLr.png)
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cant wait for the next SEC short
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now for the obvious question
is Texas really that good or is Alabama bad this year
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I think Alabama's clearly not the dominant team they've been in recent years, but they still have blue chip talent all over the field, and it's hard to call their head coach anything other than the greatest college coach of all time.
But Texas looks pretty darn good. That was an impressive performance and once Ewers got in a groove, he was tough to match up against. He overthrew a couple and the receivers dropped some easy ones. Fix all that, and WOW the potential is exciting.
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I wasnt expecting us to put as much pressure on their QB as we did
at least 4 sacks
very happy with our defense
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Nice win horns. I noticed that y’all were getting a really good amount of pressure on Milroe with just a 3 man rush. Bama OL did not look great. Their QB did not look great, but he was scrambling much of the game.
Ewers looked really good. Congratulations on the win.
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Thanks amigo.
Condolences on the loss yesterday. My i s c & a aggie wife and I were really excited during the first half, the ags were totally kicking arse. I have zero love for Miami and would have enjoyed an ag victory there.
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Texas really dominated that one on both sides.
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(https://i.imgur.com/qjNziGj.png)
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Texas could well be 15-0 this season ...
Just sayin' ....
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Ya never know. All I can say is I'm glad to see Texas on THIS side of a game against a good team that looked like that. It's been awhile.
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I read a description that said Texas was like Neo realizing what he really is. I think that's accurate.
I believe it was one of the last TDs, where Jonathan Brooks got into the endzone, that had DJ Campbell (the RG I mentioned last week), driving one defender towards the goal line. He drove him into another defender - then shoved them both backwards. He was bulldozing everything across the line.
Quinn let his receivers work. He put an extra 6 feet of air under the ball and let them run to make plays. He wasn't perfect, but there were more instances of catches that should have been made rather than passes that weren't on target.
Yes, this isn't the world-beating Bama teams of old. I keep saying that Kyle Flood works for Texas now. I believe that's evident in a drop off of traditional OL power. Jalen Milroe still has a lot to learn about quarterbacking. However, there's a reason that Saban hasn't lost at home in like 4 years. This is a massive step down the road for a Texas team still coming into its own.
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I read a description that said Texas was like Neo realizing what he really is. I think that's accurate.
Man I love this characterization. I sure hope it's right!
I will say that on Saturday night, almost every problem I've pointed out for this team, looked to have been addressed and corrected. CLEARLY some coaching has occurred, and that's something that seemed lacking for the most part, under the two previous coaching regimes (and honestly, the last 4 years of Mack Brown's tenure, too).
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One of the things that stuck out in last Saturday's game is the cool calm collected way the Horns went about business
very few mistakes and almost that old Horn swagger we used to have
we won by 10 but could have easily been 24 with no dropped passes
with a few more games under our belt hopefully the dropped passes will decrease
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Yeah, Worthy sort of made up for his 1st quarter miscues, but not enough IMO. He still seriously needs to work on his concentration and finishing the play. This is his "contract season" so I expect him to correct the issues. It'll cost him tens of millions in the draft if he doesn't.
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love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPp8uXL1af0
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What's weird is my Longhorn wife was uncharacteristically buzzing around and humming "The Eyes of Texas" all night before we went to bed. I wonder why. Something must've happened.
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Maybe Texas and OU will rethink joining a crappy conference.
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Maybe Texas and OU will rethink joining a crappy conference.
are you reacting to the sec short
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Maybe Texas and OU will rethink joining a crappy conference.
Ha!
Sandbagger gonna sandbag.
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Good game, Texas! One of the few times I've rooted for the 'Horns. This season I would love for the Horns and Sooners to play for the B12 championship just to make sure the final B12 trophy leaves with one of us.
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Good game, Texas! One of the few times I've rooted for the 'Horns. This season I would love for the Horns and Sooners to play for the B12 championship just to make sure the final B12 trophy leaves with one of us.
Im with you
lets do this
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It would be a fitting end to our tenure in the conference.
As long as Texas wins the trophy.
Please oh please, y'all already have so many, you wouldn't even notice one more on your shelf! Please let us win it!!
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Yeah, OK, I think we can LET you win.:73:
OU is better than last year so it might not be 49-0 but Texas is probably better than OU at every position group this year. I'm not holding out much hope.
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Ok, 41-3 then.
Shake on it, and then sign your papers.
We got two new houses built at the end of our street waiting for y'all to move in, and if y'all back out, Tulane is probably gonna want back in the neighborhood, and I can't have that.
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If they were Forelane maybe.
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Sixlane for sure!
It's gonna feel really weird joining the SEC I have to admit. But there will be a lot of entertaining games, and ultimately that's what matters most to me, as a fan.
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The weirdest thing to me is knowing how in a short while, it won't be weird.
I had such a hard time imagining A&M as an SEC team because I was used to them playing Texas schools in the SWC days, and "middle-America" teams in the Big 12 days (a great long-standing ooc rivalry with LSU notwithstanding). It felt so werid to watch them play Florida that first conference opener, and then move to their annual slate of Ole Miss, Auburn, etc.
Fast forward just a few seasons and it felt normal, natural, and like it had always been that way. Which is what's gonna happen with OU and UT. I've already gotten used to not seeing OU/Neb anymore, and now OU's mental footprint in my mind is going to completely shift, as will Texas'.
It will be nice to get the UT/A&M game back. My hope is A&M will quit projecting the loss of their last girlfriend onto us, because it's damn weird when we never dated them in the first place.
My further hope is we go to the 9-game conference schedule with the 4-team perma-rival models I've seen.
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I still find it weird that South Carolina is in the SEC ... and Mizzou is as well, right? I forget them. (So do the Dawgs at times ...).
Suwanee is out now, right?
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The weirdest thing to me is knowing how in a short while, it won't be weird.
I had such a hard time imagining A&M as an SEC team because I was used to them playing Texas schools in the SWC days, and "middle-America" teams in the Big 12 days (a great long-standing ooc rivalry with LSU notwithstanding). It felt so werid to watch them play Florida that first conference opener, and then move to their annual slate of Ole Miss, Auburn, etc.
Fast forward just a few seasons and it felt normal, natural, and like it had always been that way. Which is what's gonna happen with OU and UT. I've already gotten used to not seeing OU/Neb anymore, and now OU's mental footprint in my mind is going to completely shift, as will Texas'.
It will be nice to get the UT/A&M game back. My hope is A&M will quit projecting the loss of their last girlfriend onto us, because it's damn weird when we never dated them in the first place.
My further hope is we go to the 9-game conference schedule with the 4-team perma-rival models I've seen.
I think it's stranger for the movers, than the move-ees. Or whatever.
My i s c & a aggie wife still wonders why the ags are playing Miss State and Auburn instead of Texas Tech and Texas. She grew up with the SWC rivalries and I don't think she'll ever really get into the SEC groove (although she did enjoy watching her team beat Alabama those couple of times).
For me though, I'm happy we'll have Texas A&M and Arkansas back on the schedule, while also maintaining the annual game against OU. And then the thought of sprinkling in some games against LSU, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama, makes for a lot of fun. I'm just going to have to get to the point where I can accept all of that at face value. But it's going to take a while, no doubt.
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I've really enjoyed A&M's time in the SEC, but I really don't want things to change. Because with the 14 team set-up and the E/W split it still felt like a cozy little place, not a lot different than the Big 12. We had Bama/LSU instead of OU/Tx as the big boys, Auburn/Ole Miss instead of Tech and oSu, Vanderbilt instead of Baylor, South Carolina instead of Kansas State. Now it just seems like a lot bigger deal, less cozy. I really would have like to see A&M win at least one SEC W division, and we had some good to great teams, but came up short. The worst part is that we were closest in our first season, losing to Florida before JFF was unleashed hurt.
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For me though, I'm happy we'll have Texas A&M and Arkansas back on the schedule, while also maintaining the annual game against OU. And then the thought of sprinkling in some games against LSU, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama, makes for a lot of fun. I'm just going to have to get to the point where I can accept all of that at face value. But it's going to take a while, no doubt.
Well, I'm sure for Texas, it is a lot of fun to play Alabama. For some of the rest of us, not so much.
I say that, but I balked at any models going forward that took them off our permanent schedule. If there's one thing us LSU fans don't want to be robbed of, it's our right to bitch about having to play Bama every year.
Mrs. DeLonghorn isn't really much of a traditionalist. She's a "let's see who we're playing today and root for Texas" kind of fan. It's a mystery to me how the move to the SEC doesn't weird her out, make her nostalgic, or generally affect her at all. I don't think she'd even miss OU if the RRS weren't around anymore, but that's different....it's built on a different kind of dislike for OU. Whereas most UT fans want to beat OU every year, she gives me the impression she'd be happy to ditch them completely....because she doesn't like them, which makes perfect sense to her.
I can't remember the whole isc&a thing and I wouldn't steal it anyway, but if there is one thing I find genuinely adorable and cute about her, it's her total embrace of schadenfreude when it comes to OU. Because it's SO out of character for her normal soft, quiet, extremely empathetic nature. The delight that woman takes in watching OU struggle or lose any game is....well, it's quite something, especially compared to her normal demeanor.
Them, and the Eagles, but that's a Dallas fan thing, which I obviously can't identify with because I still don't get the point of the NFL.
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Well the Longhorns are now 8-2-1 against the Tide. But I don't think that historical record, or this past weekend's victory, are much of an indicator that going forward Texas should expect to prevail against Alabama a majority of the time.
I just think it's fun playing them because they're a top notch program, and I like watching my team face off against top notch programs. We lost last year, and we lost the one that REALLY counted back in 2009/2010, but those were also entertaining games and I'm glad we played them.
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UGA has had much less success with them. They are a tough out in T town.
I think Texas will be facing more "ranked teams" going forward, and that's important of course ....:)
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UGA has had much less success with them. They are a tough out in T town.
I think Texas will be facing more "ranked teams" going forward, and that's important of course ....:)
As long as the SEC sticks to its 8-game schedule and its FCS cupcake weekend, then yes the Horns will face more ranked teams. It's a product of the way the SEC has gamed the system for two decades now.
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I think they will go to 9 when the money is right. UGA has some OOC slates down the road that still are formidable even without UT/OU.
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I think they will go to 9 when the money is right. UGA has some OOC slates down the road that still are formidable even without UT/OU.
I agree with you there. The fact that Texas-Alabama was the highest rated game on ESPN in almost ten years, tells them all they need to know about the increased value of enabling more marquee matchups. With all of the helmets and semi-helmets the SEC will have once Texas and OU join, they can easily fill 4-5 network slots per weekend with top-draw matchups, especially if the SEC moves to 9 conference games.
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Everything conference-wise seems weird so moving isn't any different. In two weeks OU will play Cincinatti as their conference opener. That definately feels weird.
A few years ago I wanted feverishly to dump the OU - Texas rivalry and head to the PAC-12. It's like God told me "Hold that thought and get back to me in 2023.". Good thing I don't make decisions.
Now it seems the OU-Texas rivaly is the only anchor I have to CFB and I'm glad it is there.
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I never understood the infatuation that some folks had with the PAC-12. I guess LA and SF and Seattle are nice travel destinations, but the truth is that the vast majority of fans don't travel to away games. And when I DO travel, it's always to games that are closer, in Houston or Dallas or Waco or even Lubbock. I don't go to Ames or Manhattan or Lawrence and I wouldn't be going to LA or SF or Seattle.
And as for on-field level of play, the B12 has long been superior to the PAC. USC is the only helmet in that conference and therefore the only team I'd ever feel excited about playing, but we accomplished that anyway by scheduling a home-and-home with them.
Anyway, just my $0.02 on the idea of the PAC-16. I'm glad it never happened.
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Anyway, thinking back to the Alabama game, I knew the last Texas drive that killed the drive was clutch, but I didn't realize just HOW clutch it was, until someone posted the details on a Texas forum. This is what the last 7 minutes of that game looked like:
12 straight running plays with 7+ minutes remaining to end the game, AT Alabama's home stadium, and they had all three of their timeouts.
1st & 10 at TEX 30
(7:08 - 4th) CJ Baxter run for 3 yds to the TEX 33
2nd & 7 at TEX 33
(6:14 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 5 yds to the TEX 38
3rd & 2 at TEX 38
(5:27 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 3 yds to the TEX 41 for a 1ST down
(5:19 - 4th) Timeout Alabama, clock 05:19
1st & 10 at TEX 41
(5:14 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 2 yds to the TEX 43
(5:14 - 4th) Timeout Alabama, clock 05:14
2nd & 8 at TEX 43
(5:09 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 1 yd to the TEX 44
(5:09 - 4th) Timeout Alabama, clock 05:09
3rd & 7 at TEX 44
(5:03 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 14 yds to the ALA 42 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at ALA 42
(4:18 - 4th) Keilan Robinson run for 3 yds to the ALA 39
2nd & 7 at ALA 39
(3:36 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for no gain to the ALA 39
(2:53 - 4th) Timeout Texas, clock 02:53
3rd & 7 at ALA 39
(2:48 - 4th) Jonathon Brooks run for 4 yds to the ALA 35
4th & 3 at ALA 35
(2:09 - 4th) Alabama Penalty, Defensive Offside (Trezmen Marshall) to the ALA 30 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at ALA 30
(1:45 - 4th) TEAM run for a loss of 2 yards to the ALA 32
2nd & 12 at ALA 32
(1:01 - 4th) TEAM run for a loss of 2 yards to the ALA 34
3rd & 14 at ALA 34
(0:27 - 4th) TEAM run for a loss of 2 yards to the ALA 36
(0:00 - 4th) End of 4th Quarter
I have to think, nothing like this has ever happened to them, at least not in their own stadium. That is just a crushing drive.
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4th & 3 at ALA 35
(2:09 - 4th) Alabama Penalty, Defensive Offside (Trezmen Marshall) to the ALA 30 for a 1ST down
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4th & 3 at ALA 35
(2:09 - 4th) Alabama Penalty, Defensive Offside (Trezmen Marshall) to the ALA 30 for a 1ST down
Yup, Texas drew 'em offsides and that's what ended the game.
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I was looking at Wyoming
They are a decent team with enough ability to be a pretty good challenge for the Horns
They beat Tech in double overtime and are 2 and 0
I hope we are up for a real dog fight
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The Horns are favored by 4 TDs but Im still concerned
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The Dawgs are similarly favored and I'm concerned ... it's what we do. Of course, Texas could easily have the ol' let down.
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Wyoming is a solid team but UT has better personnel everywhere and the Horns don't have to go play at 7,000 ft.
Weird things can happen but I can't see the Horns losing this one.
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Sooners play Tulsa this weekend. Tulsa's HC is Kevin Wilson who was OU's OC when Brent Venables was OU's DC.
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I expect a let down. Hopefully the practice reps and some team discipline will carry them through.
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A let down could mean a slowish start, maybe 1Q ends up 7-3 and then it's 13-6 at the half and then 34-13 as a final score.
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I mention Mike Tyson's old trainer Cus D'Amato far too often. He makes the point that usually, when fatigue sets in, it's mental fatigue rather than physical.
When Texas started their game killing drive, once they'd gotten their first 1st down, Alabama broke. They mentally didn't want any more. That led to the seas (Tide?) parting on Brooks's 14 yard jog on 3rd and 7.
I believe Texas learned how hard you have to hit when you play with the contenders. It's all good to talk about "max effort", but now they've done it and posted a W. I feel like they'll want more. Playing under control will be more important against Wyoming than relaxing.
I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?
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I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?
Heh, the B12 has always allowed Tech and OU to get away with them too, so nothing new there.
I did love it when on one of our sacks of the Alabama QB, the Texas defender who ultimately made the play was held badly, wrestled to the ground (of course no call), but then dragged himself back up partially off the ground, lunged at the QB, and nailed him. Talk about max effort, it was truly an amazing study in sheer force of will.
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Heh, the B12 has always allowed Tech and OU to get away with them too, so nothing new there.
I did love it when on one of our sacks of the Alabama QB, the Texas defender who ultimately made the play was held badly, wrestled to the ground (of course no call), but then dragged himself back up partially off the ground, lunged at the QB, and nailed him. Talk about max effort, it was truly an amazing study in sheer force of will.
I remember that play and his effort was amazing
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I remember that play and his effort was amazing
I was trying to see if someone had captured video of just that play somewhere online but can't find it. Tomorrow I think I'll have time to watch the whole game again, and maybe I'll screen-capture once I find out when it happened.
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I was trying to see if someone had captured video of just that play somewhere online but can't find it. Tomorrow I think I'll have time to watch the whole game again, and maybe I'll screen-capture once I find out when it happened.
I also have it saved but dont know how to do all that fancy stuff
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I never understood the infatuation that some folks had with the PAC-12. I guess LA and SF and Seattle are nice travel destinations, but the truth is that the vast majority of fans don't travel to away games. And when I DO travel, it's always to games that are closer, in Houston or Dallas or Waco or even Lubbock. I don't go to Ames or Manhattan or Lawrence and I wouldn't be going to LA or SF or Seattle.
And as for on-field level of play, the B12 has long been superior to the PAC. USC is the only helmet in that conference and therefore the only team I'd ever feel excited about playing, but we accomplished that anyway by scheduling a home-and-home with them.
Anyway, just my $0.02 on the idea of the PAC-16. I'm glad it never happened.
JG was all about it. Unfortunately he's not here anymore to explain the attraction.
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Pretty sure we're talking about:
https://twitter.com/HookemHeadlines/status/1700692170657710482
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The Pac at one point was a fairly shiny object for folks who liked a conference with good academics. I think those folks forgot about the importance of money. The Pac even today has something like 8 teams ranked, so they are/were a decent looking football conference with USC asleep.
When it fell apart, it of course happened dramatically.
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I still need to know if those rodeo-style holds will be the expected norm in the SEC, or if that's only for Alabama's benefit?
That has been......not uncommon.....when it comes to the Gumps. Many, many times during our epic battles Alabama has blatantly, comically even, held our guys in clutch moments with no calls. In 2012 one of our DEs was giving their RT hell all day and at one point the OL form-tackled the end. Not a hold. Looked like a LB demonstrating a textbook wrap-up on a RB. I remember the DE sitting on the ground right in front of the ref waiting for the flag, and then continuing to sit there laughing when he realized it wasn't coming. That was in Baton Rouge. In 2013 in Tuscaloosa, things got so bad at one point their center put our NT in a headlock. There were memes made....gifs, still-shots, you name it, video evidence for anybody who missed it on live tv.....no call for, or many others. There have been many, many, such plays, but those two are kind of the poster-plays for LSU fans who think the refs are out to get them when playing Bama.
I tend to hold to the opinion "Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to incompetence." I think the refs are human and have a lot of human biases, and like many of us, they don't always successfully get past those biases. Alabama is known to have outstanding OLs and fill up the NFL at those positions. The refs know this and it likely affects their thinking whether they realize it or not. Because they're supposed to be good, I think it's harder for refs to "see" when penalties are happening. As proof, I've frequently offered the similar example of LSU dbs, during a decade+ when LSU has a crazy string of great dbs. I think any objective person would say that sure, those players were great, and also they got away with more mild PI than average. The poster play for that--well, not even that, this would be an example of something blatantly flagrantly wrong that went uncalled--is probably the playoff game vs. Oklahoma when the DB grabbed, tugged, and then started tackling the Sooner WR (I think Ceedee Lamb, but I'm not sure) way before the ball got there....with no call. Those weren't SEC refs, but the same principle applies....LSU was known to have great DBs, and I think that affects the zebras' thinking.
Another thing it seems I see a lot of is sort of a sympathy-balance type of thing. i.e., when something gets real lopsided and a team starts "cheating" to compensate, refs basically cave and refuse to call something every play. In the FSU opener this year, our DL was breaking through their OL frighteningly well, at times. They held us like some mofos when that happened. No calls. I think the refs kind of decide "we can't flag them every play or it will look like we're interfering by killing their down and distance, and besides, we might get their QB hurt." Mind you, that wasn't every play and I doubt we'd have won even if it had been called, but it happened repetitively in spurts.
So I think that's not so much an Alabama thing as it is a state-of-the-game thing.
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Maybe think of it this way.
If refs actually do call it every time, and force the team in trouble not to hold, they know they'll get a game similar to what Dallas just did to the Giants. That's what it looks like when one team overwhelms an O-line, the O-line isn't allowed to hold, and a QB gets pummeled.
I'm of the opinion that cfb refs are unwilling to facilitate that.
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I have to think, nothing like this has ever happened to them, at least not in their own stadium. That is just a crushing drive.
I have seen them punched in the face like that with nothing they could do about it only once that I can think of, in Saban's time there.....and it was not the same thing at all. I don't think I've ever seen a team run the ball over and over, and tell them they're running it, and still do it, and end the game.
otoh, I have seen them do it to a lot of other teams, both home and away, many times.
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Ohio State basically did that in the CG a while back.
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Pretty sure we're talking about:
https://twitter.com/HookemHeadlines/status/1700692170657710482
That may be the play utee refers to
heres another one
go to the 4:40 mark on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odyqFucsOL0&t=15s
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Gbenda was cut by a RB on that play. That's how a RB is taught to take on a blitzing LB (which beats getting drilled into the turf - the RB's other option).
The thing that makes your heart swell here is the speed with which he gets back to his feet to finish the tackle!
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Gbenda was cut by a RB on that play. That's how a RB is taught to take on a blitzing LB (which beats getting drilled into the turf - the RB's other option).
The thing that makes your heart swell here is the speed with which he gets back to his feet to finish the tackle!
exactly
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Gbenda was cut by a RB on that play. That's how a RB is taught to take on a blitzing LB (which beats getting drilled into the turf - the RB's other option).
The thing that makes your heart swell here is the speed with which he gets back to his feet to finish the tackle!
Yeah in my memory I was conflating those two plays. Both were pretty awesome though.
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wow that was one bug ugly game
but a win is a win
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Dangerous pattern developing where the offense no-shows for the first three quarters. That's not gonna pass muster for the entire season. Gotta get a LOT crisper in the first half.
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Dangerous pattern developing where the offense no-shows for the first three quarters. That's not gonna pass muster for the entire season. Gotta get a LOT crisper in the first half.
last year we could not finish but played lights out in the 1st half
this year is the opposite
whole game fellas
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B12 Officiating crew in full mid-season form though. This wasn't unexpected, but last week after seeing SEC refs actually be competent and call a relatively even game, it stands out in stark relief.
https://twitter.com/HornSports/status/1703409565864190441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1703409565864190441%7Ctwgr%5E3b6e6bb41f73245f189a4e4fc5753f7795ecd70b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1703409565864190441
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And here's a total WTF? moment I noticed during the game. Ewers scores a TD in an emotionally charged game, gets up to celebrate with Texas fans in the endzone, and the ref runs over to... stop him? Uhhh.... why?
https://twitter.com/ReaganHuggins12/status/1703412010203963724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1703412010203963724%7Ctwgr%5Ebdd33ebfe4126f5f7a69fd8a369aea19e10342c5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FReaganHuggins12%2Fstatus%2F1703412010203963724%3Ft%3DmuqZkM6x739ZaT3gwukk3g26s%3D19
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Obviously OU & Texas will expect to get screwed over in conference games but noncon isn't looking much better. In the Tulsa game they had to have huddle after huddle just to call simple things like false start, what down, ball spot, etc. We drew one of the 4 new Big 12 officials as referee.
Texas had a shockingly slow start. Like a 158 total yards after 3 quarters. Still, it is early in the season and they are undefeated. That is what counts.
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Obviously OU & Texas will expect to get screwed over in conference games but noncon isn't looking much better. In the Tulsa game they had to have huddle after huddle just to call simple things like false start, what down, ball spot, etc. We drew one of the 4 new Big 12 officials as referee.
Texas had a shockingly slow start. Like a 158 total yards after 3 quarters. Still, it is early in the season and they are undefeated. That is what counts.
I'm plenty critical of Texas right now, but the truth is that we're 3-0 in our OOC games and our opponents are all 2-0 aside from their losses to us. Add to that that our non-P5 opponents each have a win against a P5 opponent and I'd say that Texas' "cupcakes" aren't necessarily in the same class as other teams' pastries.
All THAT said, we definitely need faster starts. The way we're currently playing the first half will no doubt get us beat in B12 conference play, possibly as soon as this coming Saturday against Baylor.
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Yep. You guys got the trench ponies to hang with anyone and the skill players to take over at any time. You are in a really good spot at this point of the season.
Meanwhile OU's next game is at Cincinatti who just lost to Miami of Ohio. Now watch those guys come out like world beaters.
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This wasn't unexpected, but last week after seeing SEC refs actually be competent and call a relatively even game, it stands out in stark relief.
....he said, uttering the words for the first time in the universe's history.
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Yep. You guys got the trench ponies to hang with anyone and the skill players to take over at any time. You are in a really good spot at this point of the season.
Meanwhile OU's next game is at Cincinatti who just lost to Miami of Ohio. Now watch those guys come out like world beaters.
Isn't that the way of things?
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....he said, uttering the words for the first time in the universe's history.
Yeah everybody thinks their own conference has the worst officials. But I can assure the SEC fans, that your conference does not.
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I just noticed the Horns will not play Ok St this year unless its in the CC game
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No West Virginia, either. Instead we play B12 newcomers BYU and Houston.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mAhg-AyK_Y
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When Quinn was celebrating, he sort of, almost, spiked the ball in the end-zone. I think the ref was trying to tell him not to force his hand into unsportsmanlike.
The "how to spot the ball" thing was just amateur hour. I don't think Sark wanted it reviewed. I think he was trying to point out the obvious error so they didn't look stupid (and cost Texas 4 yards and a sack). The near side line judge got taken out on the play, but I gotta believe more than one official can spot a ball.
It took the officials 5 minutes to come to that conclusion. Meanwhile the LHN never referenced it. They lauded Wyoming coach Craig Bohls for the entire time.
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When Quinn was celebrating, he sort of, almost, spiked the ball in the end-zone. I think the ref was trying to tell him not to force his hand into unsportsmanlike.
The "how to spot the ball" thing was just amateur hour. I don't think Sark wanted it reviewed. I think he was trying to point out the obvious error so they didn't look stupid (and cost Texas 4 yards and a sack). The near side line judge got taken out on the play, but I gotta believe more than one official can spot a ball.
It took the officials 5 minutes to come to that conclusion. Meanwhile the LHN never referenced it. They lauded Wyoming coach Craig Bohls for the entire time.
When's the last time you saw anyone draw unsportsmanlike for spiking the ball in college? I haven't seen it in years. And he more like just sort of dropped it. It looks to me like the ref got upset that Quinn didn't politely hand him the ball, and then when he saw Quinn celebrating with teammates toward a large group of Texas fans, he got his panties in a twist and decided to teach that young whippersnapper a lesson for daring to disobey his almighty rule.
Your version might make sense if I hadn't watched the past two seasons of B12 refs systematically effing over Texas time and time again, while looking the other way when the other team does the same things.
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Craig Bohls doesn't suck
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Craig Bohl doesn't suck
corrected it for you
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gee, thanks
I haven't seen a college player spike the ball in the end zone in a long time
I'd wager one of Prime's sons would be the next
because, "it's personal"
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I haven't seen a college player spike the ball in the end zone in a long time
I haven't either. Because they'd be flagged for it, no question.
In 2009 our RB was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct at Georgia for raising his arm halfway and pointing an index finger at the sky, evidently thanking God for scoring a touchdown. SEC refs do not allow blatant disrespect for decorum like that.
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I haven't either. Because they'd be flagged for it, no question.
In 2009 our RB was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct at Georgia for raising his arm halfway and pointing an index finger at the sky, evidently thanking God for scoring a touchdown. SEC refs do not allow blatant disrespect for decorum like that.
I've seen it happen in recent years, no flags. All kinds of celebrations are occurring these days, with no flags.
And 2009 was a long, long time ago my friend. It's so very long ago, that it's "back when Texas was good at football" long ago.
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I've seen it happen in recent years, no flags. All kinds of celebrations are occurring these days, with no flags.
And 2009 was a long, long time ago my friend. It's so very long ago, that it's "back when Texas was good at football" long ago.
That was just a story I thought of. I can't tell you the last time I saw a player spike a ball in the end zone, and in our conference at least, you'll get hit with unsportsmanlike for far less than that, and the players mostly know better and the coaches will chew arse. Jefferson wasn't even allowed to do the griddy, or whatever the heck his little endzone shuffle is he does with the Vikings.
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2021 SEC CCG, Jameson Williams premeditated "proposal to the goalpost" touchdown celebration, no flags:
(https://i.imgur.com/lPIvKrE.jpg)
Alabama "Karate Kid" aka "Crimson Crane" premeditated touchdown celebrations, no flags:
(https://i.imgur.com/gjQcDCq.jpg)
Alabama "guitar handshake" premeditated touchdown celebration, no flags:
(https://i.imgur.com/bS23zNX.jpg)
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Those were just the first three from a random google search.
I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just saying lots of stuff is going uncalled now, that used to be an automatic celebration/taunting penalty. Including folks occasionally spiking the football.
Anyway, I'm glad the calls are loosening up on this stuff. I think rules against celebration are silly.
If some kind of goofy, premeditated and orchestrated dance takes so long that it delays the game, fine, call a delay of game penalty.
But in general, these players are just celebrating a great play in the midst of a game that is incredibly tough on both the body and mind. Heaven forbid we let them get a little emotional about it.
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I always liked Royal's attitude about this when he told his players "act like youve been there before"
I dont remember ever seeing Earl Campbell do any big celebration when he scored
He'd just flip the ball to the ref and that was that
amazing how times have changed
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2021 SEC CCG, Jameson Williams premeditated "proposal to the goalpost" touchdown celebration, no flags:
"Karate Kid" aka "Crimson Crane" premeditated touchdown celebrations, no flags:
Alabama "guitar handshake" premeditated touchdown celebration, no flags:
well, this is Bama and Saban runs the conference
Texas won't be in charge in the SEC SEC SEC
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well, this is Bama and Saban runs the conference
Texas won't be in charge in the SEC SEC SEC
Saban might not even be at Alabama when Texas joins next year.
As far as running the SECX3, let 'em have at it. We'll just be the ones cashing the checks for a change.
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Oh, so you've found more evidence that the zebras handle things differently for the Gumps? Cool.
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Oh, so you've found more evidence that the zebras handle things differently for the Gumps? Cool.
Those were just the first three easy examples that turned up on simple google search, but if they're only playing loose with the rules for Alabama and not for anyone else in the SEC, I'll have to take your word for it. You certainly watch WAY more SEC football than I do. :)
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tbf, you uncovered things that aren't spikes.
I know we get many "go run to your friends and jump 4 feet in the air to chest bump and hope you both don't get hurt on the way down" type celebrations. Usually, I'd say. We probably get the occasional more interesting celebration, as you uncovered.
I don't remember any spikes in recent memory, and I feel sure they'd be flagged by our a-hole refs. They'd consider it aggressive and unsportsmanlike. If you propose to a goalpost you're just having fun. If you spike the ball, those dummies would consider it hostile intent.
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how about "horns down" in the SEC?
has this been ruled on and decided
the Aggies want to know
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how about "horns down" in the SEC?
has this been ruled on and decided
the Aggies want to know
as a matter of fact.......
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/sec-policy-horns-down-gesture-taunts/617819
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nuance and context for SEC zebras??
Geeebus
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I think taunting rules in college football are silly and unnecessary.
But as long as there are taunting rules in college football, then horns-down should be treated exactly the same as a throat slash or standing over a player or mocking the gator chomp or whatever else.
This stuff is easy peasy, only idiots don't get it.
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the only reason I like taunting rules is to keep the game setting a good example of sportsmanship
These folks are often looked upon by our youth as someone they would like to be one day
taunting is the dark side and should be avoided
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Last night I saw Ewer's "spike" on YouTube.
Maybe I have seen something like that, but I wouldn't have characterized it as a spike. He slammed the ball down, which I suppose counts, but I think of a spike as the Gronk motion. That's how players used to do it....they wound up almost like a pitcher, and made a big arcing motion with their arm and their back leg comes up like a pitcher's too. It's forceful, very demonstrative, and I guess could be considered aggressive.
What Ewers did, that probably does happen in the SEC without flags. Not that I recall it, but that doesn't mean much. That wouldn't have stood out to me enough to remember it. If the ref got on to him for that, that's kinda ridiculous. That's way different than what I think of as a spike.
Not that I'm against the Gronk spike either.
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I also saw a replay of a Nabers' touchdown at the cowbells last Saturday, and he did a little dance step. Something between a riverdance and a line-dance move in place. No flag.
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late to give props for the bammer win. looks like the league is tx’ to win or screw up….at least at the moment.
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Last night I saw Ewer's "spike" on YouTube.
Yeah it's in the video I linked a page or two back. He throws the ball to the ground, for sure. I wouldn't call it a "spike" but who knows what a ref is going to "see."
In most cases they "see" what they want to see. And since the league commissioner, the man who signs the paycheck of all of the referees and to whom the head referee reports, is openly, publicly, rooting against Texas, I imagine they're going to "see" quite a bit. Or in other cases, they'll fail to "see" anything.
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I'll tell you what I "see" (or remember....maybe inaccurately).
Last year, Texas vs. Okie St., UT draws something like 14 penalties to OSU's......0.
I mean, I believe a team can have an undisciplined day at the same time another team is dialed in and plays a clean game, but c'mon.
If you're gonna be corrupt, you either need to do it Illinois-style, where you're really clever and underhanded about it, or you need to do it Louisiana-style, where you turn it into entertainment and make people root for your corruption. You can't just be like "Hey Texas, lolz at your schedule and bad calls."
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I'll tell you what I "see" (or remember....maybe inaccurately).
Last year, Texas vs. Okie St., UT draws something like 14 penalties to OSU's......0.
I mean, I believe a team can have an undisciplined day at the same time another team is dialed in and plays a clean game, but c'mon.
If you're gonna be corrupt, you either need to do it Illinois-style, where you're really clever and underhanded about it, or you need to do it Louisiana-style, where you turn it into entertainment and make people root for your corruption. You can't just be like "Hey Texas, lolz at your schedule and bad calls."
Yeah the same ol' shit happened all season long, but that game was probably the most egregious.
Also, if you look at offensive holding calls, there were zero called all season against Texas and Oklahoma opponents combined. And there were something like 12 or 13 called against Texas and OU in all games against other B12 opponents.
Shockingly, when B12 opponents were playing other B12 opponents NOT named Texas or OU, all of a sudden their olines stopped playing immaculate football and were once again called for holding.
(https://i.imgur.com/EeoVPMw.png)
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Seems plausible.
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15-0 is still possible.
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15-0 is still possible.
I see your jinx and counter:
We're going to lose every remaining game.
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Horns are 14 pt favorites against the Bears
We better not wait till the 2nd half to turn it on or this will be our first Loss
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Yup. We're done with the preseason. It's time to start bringing the heat from kickoff to final gun.
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I know Baylor had some decent teams in the distant past but I always find it hard to take them serious because they were so bad during the first 10 or so years of the Big 12, especially when I was a student.
How are they looking this year? I think they had a big year in 2020, so-so last year, and I have no idea about them this year. I know Dave Aranda was getting lots of press about being hired away, then that kinda fizzled.
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Baylor won the Big 12 a couple of years ago running a stretch offense. The idea is to have your OL go sideways at the snap and stretch the defense out. The RB is supposed to locate an OL who won his battle and take that gap. This offense really values a 3 yard run, since 3x4= first down. By doing that over and over, the offense wastes time, plays defense with the offense, limits possessions, and tries to win the game 24-17 or something.
That year, Baylor used a converted LB as a RB. He'd smash the hole and earn those yards. They also had a once in a lifetime collection of defensive talent that could stifle the (uncharacteristically poor) Big 12 offenses. The scheme worked. Passing only happens when the defense over-commits to the run and leaves a receiver standing by himself.
They should have used that as a stop-gap to grow the program and build their lines. That didn't happen. They're still trying to run that offense with a more finesse than power set of backs and a new OL. The defense is unreliable and undersized. Baylor operates their schemes reasonably well. They just lack the talent and power to make a difference.
They will rely on the opposition making mistakes to win any games this season. They won't be able to force the issue on their own.
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They're already 1-2 this year, having lost to Texas State and Utah.
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Matt Rhule is also 1-2 this season
not at Baylor
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Utah's pretty good. Texas State should not be beating any P5 teams.
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Baylor doesn't give UT any trouble. RRR is shaping up to be a good one.
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Baylor doesn't give UT any trouble. RRR is shaping up to be a good one.
which is as it should be
all is good
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Kansas has a good team. First things first. :)
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15-0!
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Ain't falling for your jinx
Horns will never win another game.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDD
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This weekend's Texas-Kansas game features the nation's only undefeated vs undefeated, ranked vs ranked matchup.
I sure hope we don't poop the bed in front of the big national audience.
We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!
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This weekend's Texas-Kansas game features the nation's only undefeated vs undefeated, ranked vs ranked matchup.
I sure hope we don't poop the bed in front of the big national audience.
We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!
Horns favored by 17
No bed pooping around here
Horns win 35 to 17
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Baylor isn't supposed to be as bad as they were beat by Texas last Saturday. The preseason publications ranked them in the 30-50 range.
After all the talk of slow starts and sleepwalking through the first 3 quarters, Texas manhandled the Bears out of the gate.
Ewers threw downfield with fantastic accuracy. Brooks posted just over 100 on the ground. Worthy only had three catches, but Sanders stepped up with over 100 yds receiving.
4-0 and hitting their stride.
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Sure hope so.
We were plagued by a special teams meltdown that could have been disastrous against a better opponent, and our defensive secondary continues to be a team weakness, letting too many deep balls past them. Kansas is a much better offensive team than Baylor or anyone else we've faced all season, and allowing their receivers to run free deep, could be the difference between winning and losing.
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That game went about like I'd expected. I believe this forum is where we're supposed to mention "Trench Ponies". Texas has them.
Baylor is a well coached team that shows up to run the football - with an OL that doesn't worry anyone.
A couple of times, Baylor's speedy WR ran by a Texas defense only pressuring with 3. When given time, their QB completed passes. When Texas forced the issue, there was never a chance.
Texas could have run a 5-wide offense all game and scored 100.
This was the best I've seen Baylor play all season. Their star players put up some numbers. They just don't have near enough of them to move the needle.
Quit dropping the friggin' kicks!
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Kansas has a solid team this year. They won't beat the Longhorns but should provide an excellent tune up.
Meanwhile the Sooners have hapless ISU this week. This should pad the Sooner's stats so that the media can hype the RRS.
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Texas = Playoff bound, 2nd round !!
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I reject all of your jinx energy.
Texas is DOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD
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I reject all of your jinx energy.
Texas is DOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD
aggies gonna aggie
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Honestly, Texas just looks really good this year for the first time in...forever. And unlike other "good " teams they have actually played somebody of note and not just the lil' sisters of the poor. And won.
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FSU p;aued and beat two ranked teams so far. Ohio State beat one.
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FSU has only beaten one team that's still ranked, same as Ohio State and Texas.
But I don't think Gigem was trying to imply that Texas was the ONLY team that has played well against good competition, simply that some of the top teams that we think are good currently, we really don't know, because they haven't played much of anyone yet.
Anyway I think Texas looks improved over the last several years, and most importantly improved in key areas that have been consistent team deficiencies for years (or decades). That's what's most important to me. It's good to see, and it's been a long time coming. I hope the trend continues.
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as utee pointed out the only glaring weakness Ive seen so far is in our def backs
and against a very good passing team could really give us trouble
hope we improve there as the season moves along
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Don't have Coach Prime on the sched?
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Don't have Coach Prime on the sched?
Nope the Cheater Buffs are not B12 yet.
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A thing I have learned, an ELITE QB can carve up even very good defenses at times.
:93:
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A thing I have learned, an ELITE QB can carve up even very good defenses at times.
:93:
Any QB, elite or not, needs an oline that provides plenty of time, otherwise no carving will ever occur.
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Any QB, elite or not, needs an oline that provides plenty of time, otherwise no carving will ever occur.
I watched Joe Burrow carve up UGA's defense under a great deal of pressure, and then Bryce Young did the same thing, and then that OSU QB did the same thing, all of them being pressured on nearly every pass play. Burrow was ridiculous.
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I watched Joe Burrow carve up UGA's defense under a great deal of pressure, and then Bryce Young did the same thing, and then that OSU QB did the same thing, all of them being pressured on nearly every pass play. Burrow was ridiculous.
Maybe your secondary just sucks against decent passing teams?
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FSU has only beaten one team that's still ranked, same as Ohio State and Texas.
But I don't think Gigem was trying to imply that Texas was the ONLY team that has played well against good competition, simply that some of the top teams that we think are good currently, we really don't know, because they haven't played much of anyone yet.
Anyway I think Texas looks improved over the last several years, and most importantly improved in key areas that have been consistent team deficiencies for years (or decades). That's what's most important to me. It's good to see, and it's been a long time coming. I hope the trend continues.
Correct. Some teams in the Top Ten still have not played much of anybody. Texas looks really good at this point in the season, deservedly in the top 10, as opposed to somebody like say, Georgia or Michigan who has not played any games of note.
Not meaning that they aren't good, but they haven't proved it yet.
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The secondary was pretty solid in all those years if we look at who got drafted. It's my own experience with truly elite QBs (who are also mobile) able to crave up even "generational" defenses. They got pressure, it wasn't enough.
Joe Burrow's Heisman Play Against Georgia | Georgia vs LSU Football - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3iyNO5FWfU)
Granted, that defense was not as good as the 2021 team's, but the 2021 team lost to Alabama when Bryce Young carved them up. Then it happened again with Ohio State.
C.J. Stroud delivers great performance in Ohio State's loss to Georgia (dispatch.com) (https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/2023/01/01/c-j-stroud-delivers-great-performance-in-ohio-states-loss-to-georgia/69764583007/)
And that was a pretty good defense last year, they only allowed 6 points to Tennessee until late.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RZO9L21.png)
Longhorns be like this ...
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more like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm63vZ8Cakw
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Hey, they followed through and delivered.
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Well here's hoping for the same, tomorrow. It's strange to say that Kansas will be the biggest home game for Texas all season, but, well, Kansas will be the biggest home game for Texas all season.
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You can say that again.
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sad
no wonder the jump to the SEC
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sad
no wonder the jump to the SEC
Well OU is always our biggest game no matter the year, and it's always neutral, but yeah... Kansas being a "marquee" B12 brand is... interesting.
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that's what you get when you water down the big 12
TCU, Kansas, Okie St. are nothing to be proud of
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that's what you get when you water down the big 12
TCU, Kansas, Okie St. are nothing to be proud of
I wonder when the last time was Kansas starts the season 4 and 0
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Jayhawks started 5-0 last season
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oops forgot about that
go jayhawks
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Nice to see the Horns handle business. This team might be pretty good.
But this week, the real work begins.
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A third of the way home for the Horns of Considerable Length.
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I was just counting up TX-OU games I've attended, and with Saturday's game it'll be 34 total, including 31 of the last 34. The other 3 were games attended with my parents and siblings, scattered throughout my childhood.
This weekend is gonna be a lot of fun. It'll be the biggest TX-OU game since 2008 probably. Sure hoping for a win.
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I was just counting up TX-OU games I've attended, and with Saturday's game it'll be 34 total, including 31 of the last 34. The other 3 were games attended with my parents and siblings, scattered throughout my childhood.
This weekend is gonna be a lot of fun. It'll be the biggest TX-OU game since 2008 probably. Sure hoping for a win.
youre a very lucky guy Im envious
Only been to 1
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I'm definitely blessed.
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Nice to see the Horns handle business. This team might be pretty good.
T-Bob Hebert (no one knows his real name, but I decided a long time ago that the "T" must stand for Teen-Wolf, former LSU center and son of NFL QB Bobby Hebert) does several podcasts in addition to his show on BR's local ESPN radio. On the Snaps podcast he does with former UGA qb Aaron Murray he has listed Texas as his number 1 team for a few weeks now. He loves both lines and the offense's ability to move the ball effectively in different ways, such that whatever a defense commits to taking away, they're fine and will hurt you another way.
Completely apart from the Horns..... He's quite a personality and I tuned into a post-game podcast he does with another LSU media personality where he's usually drunk, and I thought he captured the mood pretty well when he just yelled (slurred) "FUUUUuu******k!" over and over, while the other guy tried to give a recap and commentary.
This season I will attempt to live vicariously through my wife and her Horns of Considerable Length (that's the best thing I've read in a while), and I volunteered her all TV rights when our teams play at the same time for the rest of the season.
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Good morning Mr Sarkisian
your mission this week will be to defeat the Oklahoma Sooners in the RRS this Saturday in the Cotton Bowl
As usual should you fail The University will disavowal all knowledge of you or your asst coaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQsx4Fr8wqU
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Nice to see the Horns handle business.
Kansas not fielding QB Jalon Daniels doesn’t take much away from the Longhorns win, IMO. Even throughout a close first half, at no point did it appear the Jayhawks had any amount of control against Texas.
Texas played pretty loose and relaxed, like confident winners, letting their opponent land a few punches before overwhelming Kansas in the second half. A vocal Texas home crowd sounded great.
If you’re Texas there’s positive takeaways that go beyond just this game:
-Texas defense held Kansas to 0-8 on 3rd down.
-Not since Colt McCoy has a Longhorns QB played with such effortless command of the offense (and that includes Sam Ehlinger who I thought well of). Quinn Ewers is playing like the total package without yet appearing to hit his ceiling.
-RBs Brooks and Baxter together rolled up nearly 300 yds on the ground. The Longhorns offense posted over 600 yds of total offense. Replacing Robinson's production hasn't been a problem.
-As a big doubter of Sarkisian going back to his days coaching Washington, he’s overcoming his earlier limitations. (Pros: Recruiting, Scheming the Offense, Hiring quality assistants; Cons: In-game adjustments/coaching, Player development.) Sark’s good traits are firing on all cylinder while his known negatives are improved from Subpar to Effective. The Texas roster is more developed than his Husky teams and the Longhorns staff bettered both Alabama and Kansas when it came to Halftime adjustments and In-game Coaching.
Can’t wait for Saturday’s Red River Shootout.
(https://i.imgur.com/ix0giZR.png)
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Nice summary, @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) , appreciate the view from an outsider who's not so prone to drink the burnt orange koolaid.
Overall I'll say that this team has something that most of the recent Texas teams haven't-- a sense of determination and perseverance. Last year's team showed flashes of this, they just couldn't make it stick in the 4th quarter of too many games. This year's team could be accused of starting slow, but after almost half a season it appears to be more of an intentional strategy. They're grinding in the first half to wear out the other team and break them, and then unloading in the second half. For the most part, it's been working.
This weekend's OU game should be a lot of fun to watch (from an outsider's perspective anyway. Personally, I'll be a complete wreck! :) ). I won't say OU will be our biggest test of the season so far because I still think Alabama's pretty good, but it's a rivalry game and those always mean a lot more to the players, so emotions will be sky high.
I can't wait. For me, this week of the season is always like the last few days before Christmas. I doubt I'll get much work done.
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Seems wrong(https://i.imgur.com/KQuzwNa.png)
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I haven't watched OU any yet, so I can't comment on any particular matchups I'm looking for, or advantages/disadvantages. I have watched a ton of Texas football over the last 20 years, both in person and on the telly, and this is the first team I've seen since pre-2010 that makes me think they could win it all. Not saying they will, just that so far they've looked like that caliber of team.
There has been the occasional season during that time that they got hype and Texas was "back" and all that, but it always felt to me like there were signs of deficiencies even before some L's piled up. I have not sensed that yet this year....in fact, I've liked them more each time I watch them. I don't know where they rank in roster talent compared with some others, but when the lines play as good as UT's has played, those become very hard hard teams to beat.
This becomes another excellent gauge. OU on paper looks capable of giving Texas a fight and landing some blows and forcing them to grit it out...something not even Alabama was able to do. NC-caliber teams find ways come out on top of close games, so I'll be looking for that this weekend.
Or maybe one of them will blow the other one off the field and I'll go pull weeds in my flower bed. Who knows. As a neutral observer, I hope for a thrilling game that tops the ND/OSU game a couple weeks ago. As the husband of a Longhorn, I hope for something like last year, because the missus gets adorably anxious, cranky, and kinda yelly during close or bad games and I always get in trouble for giggling at her.
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Yeah as a neutral observer, close games that go all the way to the last second are exciting.
As a Longhorn fan, last year's game is EXACTLY what I want and need. :)
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KU's backup QB isn't exactly an inexperienced hack. He's played plenty of meaningful football. Really, he was enough of a curveball from what Texas prepared for that it took a series or two to get the defense adjusted. He had some bad luck with receivers dropping passes, but the ultimate good luck when his fumble bounced perfectly into a trailing RB's arms.
The ball is still pointy, bounces funny, and is handled by 18-22 year old males. Nothing is ever certain. However, the lines are professional level, and just when you think you've exhausted the starters, the backups come in an are just as skilled. Teams that come in and give it all they have hang with Texas for a quarter or so. When the adrenaline wears off, reality comes calling quickly.
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KU's backup QB isn't exactly an inexperienced hack. He's played plenty of meaningful football. Really, he was enough of a curveball from what Texas prepared for that it took a series or two to get the defense adjusted. He had some bad luck with receivers dropping passes, but the ultimate good luck when his fumble bounced perfectly into a trailing RB's arms.
The ball is still pointy, bounces funny, and is handled by 18-22 year old males. Nothing is ever certain. However, the lines are professional level, and just when you think you've exhausted the starters, the backups come in an are just as skilled. Teams that come in and give it all they have hang with Texas for a quarter or so. When the adrenaline wears off, reality comes calling quickly.
Not only that, but KU starting QB Daniels was the same guy that started and played the entire game against Texas last year, when the Jayhawks were at home rather than in Austin.
The result of that game? 55-14 Texas.
And for Texas neither last year's offense nor defense were as good as this year's team, so I don't think anyone should assume Kansas would have performed significantly better with Daniels calling the signals.
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A little info on where UT gets its BEVOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY-rXPg-zp0&t=23s
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From the cow store, duh.
Betty was kinda cute back in her cheerleading days.
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I saw Bevo get salty one time, swinging his head something close to violently, from side to side.....might've impaled a handler or two if they hadn't been alert and agile. I think it was at the post-05 NC celebration at DKR, iirc. We joked that he was just feeling his oats in response to the NC and/or the game highlight video playing on the new jumbo-tron.
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He was probably getting worked up over this intro video we used to play from about '96 to 2010 or so. It has some really... special... graphics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWIZR865p7w
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Everyone get the big alert today on your phone?
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1709634093233701076?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1709634093233701076%7Ctwgr%5E380985147e63982f1710bd3d09f8588288256c50%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FRedditCFB%2Fstatus%2F1709634093233701076
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yep my sons phone went off and I said what the hell is that and he says its a national alert test
I say what does it say and he says dont know its in Spanish
Only Brandon would do that
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Mine was in English. And what it actually said was:
"It's 1:18 PM and ou still sucks"
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Mine was in English. And what it actually said was:
"It's 1:18 PM and ou still sucks"
Didnt know Brandon was a Horns fan
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Who isn't??
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Texas 34
OU 26
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hah
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UT-Austin 27
OU-Sux 20
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^^^^ btw, I bear no ill will toward the Sooners. I have merely been informed by many friends in Austin that Oklahoma's proper full name on the charter is OUSux.
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Were I married to a lovely Longhorn fan I'd be for them too.
As it is, I have French trophy wife, so I probably should root for Notre Dame, as if ....
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^^^^ btw, I bear no ill will toward the Sooners. I have merely been informed by many friends in Austin that Oklahoma's proper full name on the charter is OUSux.
It's funny because it's true!
Even my i s c & a aggie wife knows and understands, that ousux.
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In fact it was a story about her first time at the Red River Shootout, that prompted Hooky to develop the phrase "i s c & a."
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In Paris, there is an entire cathedral dedicated to Notre Dame. I asked if they brought in a bunch of large screen TVs on Saturdays.
This is unrelated to Texas football, I just found it remarkable. So I remarked.
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Were I married to a lovely Longhorn fan I'd be for them too.
As it is, I have French trophy wife, so I probably should root for Notre Dame, as if ....
pretty sure this means you're supposed to be a soccer fan
or pétanque
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Longhorns Daily News: Joel Klatt: I think this is Texas’ ‘best team since 2005’
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2023/10/5/23904468/longhorns-daily-news-joel-klatt-texas-mack-brown-steve-sarkisian-quinn-ewers-big-12-red-river?fbclid=IwAR1-ek9iB4ePcg7MWCZGPI8WGVT-gaOHBEgdAiij21hjq6GKoryib3he0wc
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Were I married to a lovely Longhorn fan I'd be for them too.
As it is, I have French trophy wife, so I probably should root for Notre Dame, as if ....
I think you just have to root for the wines and fine dining.
I'm know it's a hard job, but I have faith you're up for it.
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Mmmmm boeuf bourguignon et Chateauneuf du Pape
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(https://i.imgur.com/0onANX2.jpg)
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Was there ever some advantage to those long horns?
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Was there ever some advantage to those long horns?
Nobody I know raises them for beef. I've seen a few here or there, but mostly for show. My understanding is that they were very hardy animals, preferred for their tolerance to some parts of Texas climate (rough brush country).
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I would have guessed the hardiness could be bred up while breeding the horn length down.
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I would have guessed the hardiness could be bred up while breeding the horn length down.
breed your own horn length down buster leave ours alone
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Everybody knows length matters.
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especially in Texas
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What a game at the Cotton Bowl yesterday. Longhorns probably feeling pretty rough this morning, but for takeaways, did Oklahoma expose any major weaknesses?
I say no. Defensive front 7 played tough, Ewers looked fine, WRs were weaponized downfield, Sark and staff managed the game well.
What killed Texas yesterday, and what was always going to be difficult to prepare for, was the multifaceted play of Dillon Gabriel. Blitzing opened up the threat he'd run upfield. Spying with a LB forced Texas into man-to-man coverage. Gabriel is overall a good enough QB to succeed by ground and air, and it just so happened yesterday he knew which way to go at each right time.
The Longhorns schedule eases up the rest of the way. Surely everyone is expecting a rematch with Oklahoma in the conference championship game. Still a lot to play for.
The in-state team that lost its season yesterday was Texas A&M. In a year when both LSU and Bama are beatable, losing at home to Alabama yesterday killed the season. All through the 1st half the Aggie blitz was working, the DL was pushing back Bama's OL, Bama's running game was snuffed out, and the only thing working on offense for Bama was Trey Burton.
And for Texas A&M to come out so flat after halftime and get thoroughly beat the rest of the way by Bama's adjustments is a back breaker. For the whole third quarter the Aggie's defense couldn't get off the field and the A&M offense went dead. This is all on Jimbo and his staff getting outcoached yesterday.
Where does A&M go from here? They couldn't beat Bama with the talent to do so and homefield advantage, and now the Aggies are 4-2 with Ole Miss, LSU, and Tennessee left on the schedule.
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3 turnovers didnt help
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3 turnovers didnt help
Our self-inflicted head wounds just killed our chances. OU played a great game, probably the best possible game they could. Texas didn't.
I like our chances to get a rematch and if so I really like our chances to WIN that rematch.
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3 turnovers is usually the issue
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OU leads the nation in INTs and TO margin so that wasn't a big surprise. Texas did score the only rushing TD OU has given up this year.
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I wonder how much a team can really push TOs versus random events. I.e., a team could have a lot early and then not many late in a season and regress to the mean, although having a lot early doesn't mean you're likely to have fewer later.
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I wonder how much a team can really push TOs versus random events. I.e., a team could have a lot early and then not many late in a season and regress to the mean, although having a lot early doesn't mean you're likely to have fewer later.
The first INT was a result of Ewers throwing into obvious triple coverage. That's a throw that never should have been made.
The second INT was a freak catch of a tip ball, just an incredibly lucky play for OU. I'd definitely call that a random event rather than a forced turnover.
I honestly don't even remember the fumble.
Anyway, like I said before, Texas had too many self-inflicted head wounds, that ultimately proved to be mortal shots. Not much else to say about this one anymore. Time for Texas to move on and make sure one loss doesn't stretch to two.
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Most TOs I see are a result of a bad read by the QB which happens mostly randomly or a tip or someone bobbles the ball or a WR slips, all of which are nearly random. Fumbles seem the same, mostly, to me, a tackler has his helmet at just the right place or often a runner tries to gain another yard and loses security. I don't think a defense can live off TOs, they are too random.
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check Iowa's defense
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Not much else to say about this one anymore.
Wrong! You have failed to take into account the interloping know-it-all :)
I didn't get a chance to throw this out there because I didn't stumble across it until Friday afternoon, but it might be worth discussing. I was listening to a podcast featuring a guy I'm not too familiar with, but man did his analyses nail it in games all over the country. I don't know where he was getting his info from, but he included analysis that I lack data sources for, in the RRS' case, that being QB-vs.-coverage analysis. Which is something I am inclined to lean on a fair bit, but without sources it's impossible for me to conjure on my own. I think it's true that most QBs have coverages they excel against and a coverage or coverages which they struggle with. If that premise doesn't float your boat, neither will the rest of this, but I think there's good support for the idea.
My thinking up until that point was basically this: Texas has a better resume, and although many numbers slightly favored OU, Texas' stats came against far better competition, and I figured that negated any advantage on paper for the Sooners. I thought OU's defense was mucho improved and that UT might not be able to blister them the way they did last year or have done to other teams at times this season, and I thought the Longhorn defense would be able to stop mostly anyone enough to let the offense outmatch it, because I've liked what I've seen from that defense. I thought Texas would likely grind out an uglier win, but by the end, a comfortable one.
So then I found out from this fella a few things I didn't know. According to him, Texas was dead last in allowing explosive plays on passing downs (12 passes of 30+ yards on passing downs coming in). He didn't clarify what "dead last" meant....in the conference? The power 5? The nation? Still unclear on that part. In any case, that's not anything I had noticed or that jumped out at me. He noted Gabriel had heavy success against quarters and cover 1, which are what UT mostly plays. On the other side, he said Ewers had been terrible against cover 1, cover 2, and cover 3, but very good against quarters, but that OU plays cover 1,2,3 61% of the time. Now, with UT's wide receivers you'd think they'd welcome man coverage, but you do have to be a very accurate quarterback against man, and if Ewers hadn't been, A) I was missing it, B) that's useful info.
Assuming those stats were correct, that made me start to think OU might play this a lot closer than I thought. Granted, just like the podcast dude, I never changed my pick to OU. Only started thinking this would be a closer fight than I expected. (I mean....I mostly always expect the RRS to be a fight and we shouldn't be surprised when it is, but you know what I mean.....rivalry craziness aside, just looking at brute facts of the teams and their seasons will frequently make you reasonably favor one team or the other, and I got less comfortable favoring Texas after hearing this.)
So is that what played out? Well.....I'd need utee94 to tell me, since he was evidently there. Thing is, I can't see coverage down the field on TV. All I could tell was Ewers definitely struggled, particularly in the first half. And Gabriel was cold as ice, seeming not to be fazed by whatever he was seeing in the secondary. And that was the main difference in the game.
The other thing that surprised me was I thought Texas' D-line would close down OU's rush attack more than they did. And really, it was just QB rushing that got them. Outside of that, OU's rush numbers weren't impressive. OU's O-line simply did better against Texas' front than I saw coming.
How much of that repeats in a rematch? I don't know. Like I say, I couldn't even see the field enough to know if the QB trends continued or not. What I do know is A) Texas only lost by 4 points, it's not a stretch to say just improve a few things and they win a rematch, B) both Longhorn lines need to win more consistently if that is to happen, and C) my opinion of Texas doesn't really change. I think they're still one of the top 4-5 teams in the country, if not top 2, or 1st on a good day. Mainly my opinion of OU went up. They seem to be a better team than I gave them credit for.
At any rate, I told a very frustrated Mrs. DeLonghorn that imo while this sucked, it probably doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things, because if both teams take care of business they should meet again in the Big 12 CG, with the winner advancing to the playoffs. Because I think there's no way in hell a one-loss, conference champion Texas is left out of the playoffs.
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Oops, sorry....one more thing....
I'm sure it didn't help for Texas' starting center to be knocked out of the game. That's rough. Hopefully he's okay and in good shape for the rematch.
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Losing starting center was pretty obviously a problem. He was a 3 year starter and he calls all of the protections for the offensive line. We're substantially worse without him.
Edit: Early rumors right now is that he's gone for the season. That would be a tremendous blow to our o-line's capability.
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Any word on his injury and expected return time?
EDIT: oops I see you edited with an answer already. Man, that sucks. Losing an experienced center or tackle is a tough thing.
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So then I found out from this fella a few things I didn't know. According to him, Texas was dead last in allowing explosive plays on passing downs (12 passes of 30+ yards on passing downs coming in). He didn't clarify what "dead last" meant....in the conference? The power 5? The nation? Still unclear on that part. In any case, that's not anything I had noticed or that jumped out at me. He noted Gabriel had heavy success against quarters and cover 1, which are what UT mostly plays. On the other side, he said Ewers had been terrible against cover 1, cover 2, and cover 3, but very good against quarters, but that OU plays cover 1,2,3 61% of the time. Now, with UT's wide receivers you'd think they'd welcome man coverage, but you do have to be a very accurate quarterback against man, and if Ewers hadn't been, A) I was missing it, B) that's useful info.
I was looking at Texas secondary to be our best chance for success but the OL would have to keep Gabriel upright long enough to exploit it. I was surprised our OL did as well as they did (I expected them to get eaten alive). I was also surprised Gabriel ran as much as he did.
On defense, Venables makes it very difficult for QB's to read coverage and Ewers struggled to identify coverage, pressure, etc in the first half but had it figured out in the second half and had that unreal 19 straight completions. Surprising to me, OU blitzed less than usual. Still they got pressure on 40% of Ewer's dropbacks and the 5 sacks were impressive.
In a very weird coincidence, OU's last drill in every Wednesday practice is for the offense to try to go 75 yards in 1:15.
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I was looking at Texas secondary to be our best chance for success but the OL would have to keep Gabriel upright long enough to exploit it. I was surprised our OL did as well as they did (I expected them to get eaten alive). I was also surprised Gabriel ran as much as he did.
On defense, Venables makes it very difficult for QB's to read coverage and Ewers struggled to identify coverage, pressure, etc in the first half but had it figured out in the second half and had that unreal 19 straight completions. Surprising to me, OU blitzed less than usual. Still they got pressure on 40% of Ewer's dropbacks and the 5 sacks were impressive.
In a very weird coincidence, OU's last drill in every Wednesday practice is for the offense to try to go 75 yards in 1:15.
There was some guessing on my part because I hadn't watched any OU games. Admittedly I based my obviously limited opinion solely on what I'd seen from Texas, and I thought UT's D-line was probably enough to wreck anyone. I did not expect them to be as neutralized as they were.
I noticed that about Venables' coverages at Clemson. They were always good at confusing QBs pre-snap.
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Just spitballing from memory and some quick reference numbers from ESPN, three things I'd want to see Texas clean up in order to beat the Sooners are 1) limit the sacks, 2) don't lose the TO battle, 3) do better at closing down rush lanes for Gabriel.
Can they do those things? My guess is we'll find out in the CG. Looked like two of the best teams in the country to me. If they stay focused and find a way to win the inevitable letdown game--wherever it may occur--I'm not sure who left on their schedules can beat them.
If this OU team makes the playoffs, right now I think they're better prepared to match up with the other big boys than some of the OU participants of the recent past.
Lots of good heavyweight fights left to see, probably a UT/OU rematch, OSU/Mich, probably Bama/UGA, heck....Louisville might even be enough to give FSU a fight in the ACC CG. And maybe the best part, the PAC is about to start cannibalizing itself, methinks, in what should be a series of entertaining games.
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Just spitballing from memory and some quick reference numbers from ESPN, three things I'd want to see Texas clean up in order to beat the Sooners are 1) limit the sacks, 2) don't lose the TO battle, 3) do better at closing down rush lanes for Gabriel.
Can they do those things? My guess is we'll find out in the CG. Looked like two of the best teams in the country to me. If they stay focused and find a way to win the inevitable letdown game--wherever it may occur--I'm not sure who left on their schedules can beat them.
If this OU team makes the playoffs, right now I think they're better prepared to match up with the other big boys than some of the OU participants of the recent past.
Lots of good heavyweight fights left to see, probably a UT/OU rematch, OSU/Mich, probably Bama/UGA, heck....Louisville might even be enough to give FSU a fight in the ACC CG. And maybe the best part, the PAC is about to start cannibalizing itself, methinks, in what should be a series of entertaining games.
I mean, that's a long list of things Texas "needs" to do in order to beat OU. But Texas was ahead with a minute to go. In reality, all Texas needed to do to win on Saturday, was probably turnover the ball one fewer times.
If Texas cleaned up ALL the things you're talking about, then you're looking at a 2-3 score Texas victory. Which of course I'm all for.
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I mean, that's a long list of things Texas "needs" to do in order to beat OU. But Texas was ahead with a minute to go. In reality, all Texas needed to do to win on Saturday, was probably turnover the ball one fewer times.
If Texas cleaned up ALL the things you're talking about, then you're looking at a 2-3 score Texas victory. Which of course I'm all for.
Not a long list, only three things, but I should clarify I meant any one of those things probably would've got them the win last Saturday, though I see I didn't word that well. If I picked just one, first on my list would be closing down Gabriel's rush lanes. Ordinarily I'd go with winning the TO battle first, but imo that somehow hurt UT less than Gabriel escaping the pocket for nice gains. That seemed to be a huge part of OU's success, and without it their offense couldn't have stayed on the field so much.
I'm also a bit more confident at the moment in Texas stopping Gabriel from running than winning the TOs, so that skews my focus.
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While I'm clarifying things I said earlier, I should note that I bet it's not a knock on either QB that they haven't done well throwing against cover 2. I bet most QBs aren't good at that. I just heard former UGA QB Aaron Murray say something about that the other day, and how you mostly want to hand the ball off when you see it.
I really need to know where I can find stats on that stuff. I'm curious if it's a good indicator of how to weight performances when dealing with disparate schedules. i.e., even if OU played a lighter schedule against less talented teams compared to Texas' more telling sample, spotting what a QB reads well and doesn't read well probably transcends the level of competition. I'm no DC, but I assume that's how they use film to formulate a gameplan.
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perhaps you should send a subtle hint to the LSU D-coordinator regarding adding more cover 2?
Is Bo Pelini still involved in the defense at LSU?
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I didn't see the game but LSU knocked off a previously undefeated Mizzou team right? Not sure why MDT is doing all this fretting. I think he's setting us all up.
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I watched most of the LSU/Mizzou game
hard fought contest
not quite as exciting as Horns/Sooners
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Bye week comes at a good time, we're pretty beat up. It's sounding like we won't get the center Majors back, but maybe some of the other guys.
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Majors apparently has the notorious "high ankle sprain". Recovery from that ranges from "tape it up" to "maybe it'll bear weight next year".
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Yeah "high ankle sprain" tends to be code for "any number of ankle/leg problems up to and including a broken bone, but we're not going to tell you, the public ,because you don't need to know."
Would be great to get him back for the back half of the season, our o-line is dramatically harmed without him. For all of those watching the game and wondering why OU defenders were able to get into the backfield so frequently, that's a big part of it.
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Since Saturday I've seen some speculation on phantom problems that Texas has, things that I'm not overly worried about, having watched every game this year.
However
THIS is a real problem:
https://twitter.com/CJVogel_TFB/status/1711744635544969636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1711744635544969636%7Ctwgr%5Ea26a43cdba57ae3d693ddcdbba047cba21178a2b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FCJVogel_TFB%2Fstatus%2F1711744635544969636%3Fs%3D20
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Not just redzone efficiency....according to FEI, Texas is just .379 in drives that result in TD, which is objectively good, but low compared to the other teams hanging out in the Top 15 offenses.
I'm a little confused why Texas isn't getting a bigger bump between flat metrics and opponent-adjusted rank in that formula. The Longhorns' opponents' records are better than everybody else worth talking about, and it's not even close. Kansas, Alabama, and Wyoming are all one-loss teams.....losing to Texas.
3.26 points per drive, tho, which is probably a more important metric, and is pretty good relative to the field. That averages out to a bit more than a FG, so.....a little less Burt Auburn and a little more Worthy is what the doctor orders.
Anyway, while interesting, it's all mostly worthless come game day. I just like pondering advanced stats.
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Yeah they're interesting to me as well. You just can't read TOO much into them.
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Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.
Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone?
FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.
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Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.
Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone?
FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.
Agree with both the fact that we should have used it, and also it shouldn't be permissible.
Look, the entire reason that it wasn't legal for the offense to do the "Bush-push/tush-push", is because it's not legal for the defense to do the same thing. When the defense does it, they blow the play dead and award Forward Progress. The defense isn't allowed to lift and/or push backward, and so the offense wasn't allowed to lift and/or push forward.
But now that the Bush-push has been legalized, they should get rid of the forward progress rule and allow the defense to do the same thing.
If that sounds ridiculous, well you might be right. Which is why the Bush push should remain an illegal play.
(I'll also note that in a world with a Forward Progress rule, there can not and should not be anything that's ever referred to as "second effort." As in, "well the runner finally got the first down with his second effort." Nope, if he didn't get it with his FIRST effort then that means his forward progress was stopped and therefore the play is dead.)
Follow me for more gripes about stupid, inconsistent rules in football!
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Now it seems the last time we lined up under center, we were fortunate to avoid disaster when the snap went completely out of Ewers's control. An alert RB saved the day.
Modulo that, and knowing our starting center was hurt, I'm wondering if our two DTs lined up as blockers would have been better used running that stupid "tush push" play. Have Savion Red take the snap under center, and just let Barryn Sorrell and T'Vondre Sweat stuff the whole business into the endzone?
FTR: I think that play should be somehow written out of the rules. It isn't really stoppable.
Ah, but you see, LSU @ Missouri has shown this not to be the case.
The Bush-push can, in fact, be overcome by blind zebras.
For example, LSU lines up at the 1, QB takes the snap, the line surges, he dives, and two backs start pushing, thinking they will ensure the matter. Before any reasonable definition of forward progress was stopped, the entire team was in the endzone, including over 2/3 of the QBs body and a good bit of the trailing backs doing the pushing.
And somehow, they were ruled short. And no, his knee, elbow, wrist, whatever, never hit the ground.
There were a number of comically obvious missed calls for both teams in that game which prove that entire crew was legally blind--I think the worst I've ever seen--but this is just to say that play can be stopped. What physical limitations prohibit, incompetence can offset.
On the plus side, it did allow RG3 plenty of opportunity to zing his crazy one-liners, which most people either love or love to hate.
Follow me for more stupid, inconsistent calls in football!
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Our self-inflicted head wounds just killed our chances. OU played a great game, probably the best possible game they could. Texas didn't.
I like our chances to get a rematch and if so I really like our chances to WIN that rematch.
OU's special teams played terrible. Punt blocked for a TD. Fell for a fake punt that enabled an apparent 3-and-out to turn into a TD drive. Messed up its own trick play on a return that otherwise went for good yardage.
So, lots of stuff for the Sooners to clean up too.
The probable rematch will probably be interesting.
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Sooner QB whilst playing the most important position on the field had an all-time high kind of game. If he only produces 90% as much, Texas wins.
So I'm pretty cool with the idea of a rematch.
But, can't stumble in some let-down game along the way.
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Dylan Gabriel has been balling out all season and I admit I slept on him. Say what you will about their schedule, but his numbers vs. Texas were only out of whack to the down side. As you might expect, UT held him a little below his average.
That is to say, I'm not convinced that he's not capable of having that kind of game again. UT needs to close down those running lanes. And Ewers needs to wake up during the first half.
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Dylan Gabriel has been balling out all season and I admit I slept on him. Say what you will about their schedule, but his numbers vs. Texas were only out of whack to the down side. As you might expect, UT held him a little below his average.
That is to say, I'm not convinced that he's not capable of having that kind of game again. UT needs to close down those running lanes. And Ewers needs to wake up during the first half.
His rushing totals were far above what he's done before, and accounted for really the only rushing of significance that occurred for OU. Sure the Texas defense let it happen, but...
Could he do that again this season? Maybe?
Could he do it again against Texas? I'd put money on "No freaking way."
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Wasn't there someone who used to warn you about the capricious football gods? ;)
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Meh, they can't punish us any worse than our head coaching decisions have, over the past decade and a half.
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Could he do it again against Texas? I'd put money on "No freaking way."
I mean, it depends on if the lines play differently. I didn't see it coming but Texas' D-line lost too many battles on passing plays which lead to big qb runs when Gabriel evidently didn't like what he saw down the field.
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the QB scramble is tough to defend
even when you have a plan
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QBs scrambling for over 100 yards is common, even though this one has never done it before? It's not an extraordinary event, sort of a once in a career performance for this guy.... even though he's never done it before?
Y'all are killing me. Just stop! :86:
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Dana wants it to stop
errr
Dana got the Hail Mary!!!
Prayer answered
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QBs scrambling for over 100 yards is common, even though this one has never done it before? It's not an extraordinary event, sort of a once in a career performance for this guy.... even though he's never done it before?
Y'all are killing me. Just stop! :86:
I don't know about Gabriel's play at UCF.
But last year, at OU, he was on a pretty tight rein as far as running the ball, because OU had no serviceable backup QB, as was evident in Dallas.
This year, it appears that he has been given the green light to pull the ball down and run when no one is open.
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Well the Texas game was the first and only time he went for more than forty-something yards. We'll see how it works out for him all season long.
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Arkansas St 73-0
SMU 28-11
Tulsa 66-17
Cincinnati 20-6
Iowa State 50-20
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not much need to endanger the QB or even use the QB run game
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Arkansas St 73-0
SMU 28-11
Tulsa 66-17
Cincinnati 20-6
Iowa State 50-20
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not much need to endanger the QB or even use the QB run game
And yet he ran for 40+ in two of those games.
I'm comfortable with my assessment. Bring it on.
But first, Horns can't stumble along the way.
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neither can the Boomers
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I think you're missing my point. It's not about the QB.
It's about the gaping holes he had to run through on passing downs.
That either gets better or it doesn't. If both teams take care of business, we'll get to find out.
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OK. I'm done discussing that game. On to the next one.
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It's a bye week. What else you got to talk about? :)
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The crazy Houston-West Virginia game last night? The one that ended in a TRUE Hail Mary!
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Dylan Gabriel has been balling out all season and I admit I slept on him...
While we're at it, how 'bout a quick question on what the heck happened to LSU's Defense?!?!
110th in scoring defense averaging 32 pts/game
122nd in total defense allowing 445 yds/game
121st in passing yards allowing 285 yds/game
93rd in rushing defense allowing 160 yds/game
LSU recruiting hasn’t fallen off; the NFL talent is presumably there. How are they so disorganized? And the swiftness of the dropoff is equally surprising. It’s such a given LSU fields the most effective defenses season after season should I be warned before checking what TigerDroppings thinks of Brian Kelly and Matt House?
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Well the Texas game was the first and only time he went for more than forty-something yards. We'll see how it works out for him all season long.
It was no secret that he could run if necessary. He had scored 4 rushing TDs in the first 5 games.
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While we're at it, how 'bout a quick question on what the heck happened to LSU's Defense?!?!
Bo Pelini left
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It was no secret that he could run if necessary. He had scored 4 rushing TDs in the first 5 games.
Suffice to say, I expect a second meeting would go quite differently, and I relish the idea of facing him again. Let's make it so.
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It's always easier for a fan, after a close loss, to see the mistakes that his own team made than to see the mistakes that the other team made.
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The crazy Houston-West Virginia game last night? The one that ended in a TRUE Hail Mary!
That was awesome! We've gotten some some highly entertaining games this year so far.
I really, really enjoyed Ducks @ U-dubb. It was pretty much everything I hoped it would be.
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While we're at it, how 'bout a quick question on what the heck happened to LSU's Defense?!?!
110th in scoring defense averaging 32 pts/game
122nd in total defense allowing 445 yds/game
121st in passing yards allowing 285 yds/game
93rd in rushing defense allowing 160 yds/game
LSU recruiting hasn’t fallen off; the NFL talent is presumably there. How are they so disorganized? And the swiftness of the dropoff is equally surprising. It’s such a given LSU fields the most effective defenses season after season should I be warned before checking what TigerDroppings thinks of Brian Kelly and Matt House?
Well....this is the Longhorn thread....but briefly....
Yes and no on the recruiting. It can't be overstated what a crapshow of a roster Orgeron left. There were several injuries prohibiting players from participating in the bowl against K-State a couple years ago, but that team brought 39 scholarship players to the bowl, and that's what Kelly inherited. O recruited, but in these days of xfer portal, many of them aren't here anymore.
The secondary is the most glaring. They're mostly all xfers from lesser schools who either couldn't get playing time, or LSU was the best offer they were ever gonna get. They've done just about everything you can think of wrong in the middle games, but even at their best (FSU, Auburn) when they aren't confused, busting coverage, not tackling...they're simply outmanned by any good WRs. 50/50 balls are more like 80/20 with this group, in favor of the receivers. But you're right....it still doesn't explain the non-talent problems they've had.
The front 7, who knows. Probably has a lot to do with the unfortunate turnover at DL coach since last season. Coach leaves for another job off-season, another coach is hired, close to season he has a medical thing and has to quit, it's too late to find someone, a guy gets promoted who has no DL coaching experience. So they're on their 3rd coach in less than a year and the guy they have doesn't appear to know how to teach technique. Talent-wise, the line absolutely should be better.
Never, ever go to TigerDroppings. That's the asylum where we keep the criminally insane.
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It's always easier for a fan, after a close loss, to see the mistakes that his own team made than to see the mistakes that the other team made.
And it's always easier for a fan, after a win, to gloss over the mistakes that the other team made, that handed his team the victory.
Etc.
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Houston Cougars on deck. Should be less exciting than Houston/WVU.
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And it's always easier for a fan, after a win, to gloss over the mistakes that the other team made, that handed his team the victory.
Etc.
That's probably also true, in general.
No chance of that happening in this case, on this board, though!
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Anyway...
Horns have to play Houston this weekend, AT Houston. This was likely a barb aimed directly at the Texas administration, who have refused to play Houston in any major sport, ever since the event called "Bleachergate."
Bleachergate occurred in 2001, when Texas was scheduled to play an away game at Houston. This was the first time the Horns had agreed to play them after the dissolution of the SWC 6 years earlier. UT asked if Houston would be willing to move the game to the Astrodome because it accommodated more spectators, and offered a million dollars to do so. UH declined because they wanted to host the game in their own stadium and maintain some sort of homefield advantage, which is totally understandable. But they did agree to add some additional temporary bleachers in the endzone to serve a larger crowd, and they sold those tickets to Texas fans.
A day or two before the game, inspectors took a look at those temporary bleachers, and immediately condemned them. They had been hastily and sloppily assembled, and were deemed unsafe for occupation. The day before the game, Texas fans were notified of this, but were not offered a refund on the tickets they'd already purchased. Instead, UH offered to let them all watch the game on the video screens in their basketball arena.
I guess some Texas fans did that, I don't know, but the Texas athletic department and adminsitration were furious, and from that day forward absolutely refused to schedule Houston in any major sport, despite numerous advances and requests over the years.
So when it was announced that Houston and Texas would be overlapping in the B12 for a year, many Texas fans suspected that not only would Houston be on our schedule, but it would be a home game for the Coogs. And... here we are.
For reference, here are pictures of the bleachers that were condemned, despite UH officials claiming they were just fine and that Texas officials were complaining about nothing:
(https://i.imgur.com/K7kG64r.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/VmlD8i4.jpg)
And the sections that sat empty that night:
(https://i.imgur.com/mXd1Beh.png)
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The Horns won that game 41 to 11
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The Horns are 22.5 pt favorites in this game against Houston
We just need to take care of business and go on down the road
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We just need to take care of business and go on down the road
Looking way down the road, in 2024 the Horns will begin their SEC slate with @Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Miss. St., @Texas A&M, @ Vanderbilt, and fellow SEC noob OU. All dates TBD.
Seems like these are all gonna be interesting just for the novelty of it, similar to watching A&M games back in 2012.
OU, incidentally, will go @Auburn, @LSU, @Missouri, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, @Ole Miss, and fellow SEC noob Texas.
These all feel weird even to think about. It's hard to picture OU @ Ole Miss.
I notice that other than the RRS, UT and OU are handed completely dissimilar conference schedules. For two teams sticking together in the same conference, this sure looks like being in two completely different conferences.
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So, like, are all these conversations gonna be moved to the SEC board next year, or is everybody just gonna stay here for old times' sake?
It would be very Texas to keep a board separate from everybody else to talk about Texas.
Kind of like those Tennessee yahoos with their own board. Drew's not biased at all.
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I have no problem moving to a new home
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B12 Backporch will stay. I suspect everything else will move.
Heck it'll liven up the SEC board because right now the only folks that post there are you, CD, OAM, and Gigem. With an occasional post from drew or one of the other Vols.
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The Horns won that game 41 to 11
I was at that game. Fortunately for me, I had enough Longhorn Foundation clout at the time, that I was able to buy tickets in the standard visitor allotment, which were situated in the actual stadium, not a temporary setup. But I walked by those bleachers on the way in and just shook my head.
One interesting thing about UH-- at the time, no B12 stadiums were allowed to sell alcohol. But UH had no such restrictions, being outside the B12. So it was one of the very few college games I'd been to, and could drink (legally) inside the stadium. And the beer prices weren't even that bad. The UH folks I talked to said it was about the only way they could get fans into the stadium against any normal opponent not named Texas.
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Heck it'll liven up the SEC board because right now the only folks that post there are you, CD, OAM, and Gigem. With an occasional post from drew or one of the other Vols.
That place used to be a hotbed of activity. I don't know exactly what happened.
It really went downhill after CFN merged with Scout and it slowly became infected with dozens of Alabama posters from Scout, who were far more asshat-y than the Bama fans we already had. I started leaving during the offseasons because I couldn't stomach them anymore, one day I came back and everybody was gone. I suspected many others had left for the same reason and didn't return, but I'll never know.
I should've banned them with my magic mod powers I had at the time, but it was hard to nail them with any particular rules we had. Being an a-hole was never against the rules. They were just so good at it that it was sort of an abuse of an implicit ethos we had. And nobody wants to be the authoritarian who ban-hammers everyone, so, the loud, obnoxious, intolerant idiots ruined the place.
There's a moral to that story, but I'll leave it for another board.
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I don't mind if it stays here for Nostaligia purposes. Hooky would agree.
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I'll visit the Porch with or w/o y'all
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I'll visit the Porch with or w/o y'all
pick up your empties
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always do
worth 5 cents each in Iowa
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Anyway...
Horns have to play Houston this weekend, AT Houston. This was likely a barb aimed directly at the Texas administration, who have refused to play Houston in any major sport, ever since the event called "Bleachergate."
Bleachergate occurred in 2001, when Texas was scheduled to play an away game at Houston. This was the first time the Horns had agreed to play them after the dissolution of the SWC 6 years earlier. UT asked if Houston would be willing to move the game to the Astrodome because it accommodated more spectators, and offered a million dollars to do so. UH declined because they wanted to host the game in their own stadium and maintain some sort of homefield advantage, which is totally understandable. But they did agree to add some additional temporary bleachers in the endzone to serve a larger crowd, and they sold those tickets to Texas fans.
A day or two before the game, inspectors took a look at those temporary bleachers, and immediately condemned them. They had been hastily and sloppily assembled, and were deemed unsafe for occupation. The day before the game, Texas fans were notified of this, but were not offered a refund on the tickets they'd already purchased. Instead, UH offered to let them all watch the game on the video screens in their basketball arena.
I guess some Texas fans did that, I don't know, but the Texas athletic department and adminsitration were furious, and from that day forward absolutely refused to schedule Houston in any major sport, despite numerous advances and requests over the years.
So when it was announced that Houston and Texas would be overlapping in the B12 for a year, many Texas fans suspected that not only would Houston be on our schedule, but it would be a home game for the Coogs. And... here we are.
For reference, here are pictures of the bleachers that were condemned, despite UH officials claiming they were just fine and that Texas officials were complaining about nothing:
(https://i.imgur.com/K7kG64r.png)
[img width=500 height=383.991]https://i.imgur.com/VmlD8i4.jpg[/img]
And the sections that sat empty that night:
(https://i.imgur.com/mXd1Beh.png)
Fits right in with my perceptions of the U of H.
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Anyway...
Horns have to play Houston this weekend, AT Houston. This was likely a barb aimed directly at the Texas administration, who have refused to play Houston in any major sport, ever since the event called "Bleachergate."
UH declined because they wanted to host the game in their own stadium and maintain some sort of homefield advantage, which is totally understandable.
Ha(!), what a time capsule!
I specifically remembering watching this game as a Ninth grader living in Texas at the time.
Though I don’t remember the announcers discussing the bleacher situation, I still remember the sideline reporter’s take on how important it was for Houston to play this game on their campus. Found confirmation(!), from a younger Holly Rowe at the 7:20 mark of the below video:
“This rivalry started back in 1968, but right now it’s very one sided. A rivalry really only for the University of Houston. They are playing this game on their own campus but they are outnumbered by Longhorn fans. Dana Dimel, the coach of Houston, is trying to build a program. He turned down big money offers to move this game elsewhere. Saying ‘We have to play on campus.’ Houston is a huge recruiting area for them and the University of Texas. 26 players on the Longhorns roster are from Houston and this area. Six of those starters. This is a big game for Mack Brown because he is at the heart of his recruiting area.”
What I remember even more is this game occurring on the first weekend of play in the aftermath of the Sept 11th attacks (11 days earlier). To commence the broadcast, ESPN2 televised the National Anthem, Moment of Silence, and the God Bless America rendition.
(https://i.imgur.com/m0YOfQw.png)
Full Game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1atqIvvxgo
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Good stuff, thanks @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) !
Houston has always, obviously, been important recruiting grounds for UT. It's why we often schedule 2-for-1s against Rice, not because they have any leverage, but because we WANT to play in the city of Houston. It's good for recruiting presence, and it's good for our rich donors in the area to get a game near their homes.
We play the TX-OU game every year at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, otherwise we'd likely also schedule SMU regularly, for the same reasons.
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People have suggested we move Arkansas home games to Shreveport or Monroe, similar to how Arkansas used to play their home games with us in Little Rock, citing some of the same reasons. I can't see how that makes any sense whatsoever.
The Texas situation may be very different.
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It's always easier for a fan, after a close loss, to see the mistakes that his own team made than to see the mistakes that the other team made.
Utee94: And it's always easier for a fan, after a win, to gloss over the mistakes that the other team made, that handed his team the victory.
Etc.
S'why y'all need a neutral observer to smack you around.
I volunteer Fearless, but if he declines, I'm willing and able.
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People have suggested we move Arkansas home games to Shreveport or Monroe, similar to how Arkansas used to play their home games with us in Little Rock, citing some of the same reasons. I can't see how that makes any sense whatsoever.
The Texas situation may be very different.
Arkansas traded us off every other time. So for example in 1983 we played in Little Rock, in 1985 we played in FayetteNam, 1987 Little Rock, etc.
I guess if Shreveport or Monroe are considered to be an important part of the home recruiting base, it might make sense to play there occasionally? I won't claim to know anything about recruiting in Louisiana.
For Texas we get the advantage (as does OU) of playing a very high profile game in Dallas every single year. The recruiting benefits to both schools are apparent. But we don't play regularly in Houston, maybe once every 7,8,9 years? It's nice for the Houston local UT fans and for recruiting, but it's not so important that it needs to be biannual or something.
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S'why y'all need a neutral observer to smack you around.
I volunteer Fearless, but if he declines, I'm willing and able.
I'm "N"
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Yeah Fearless is "neutral" like a fox guarding a henhouse.
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Heh, speaking of the B12 sticking it to Texas with respect to scheduling Houston, here's the way our schedule versus the Coogs broke down in ALL sports for this academic year:
| Soccer | Away |
| Volleyball | Away x2 |
| Football | Away |
| Men's Basketball | Home & Away |
| Women's Basketball | Away |
| Women's Tennis | Away |
| Baseball | Away |
| Softball | Not yet scheduled |
I think it's safe to say this was intentional, from the B12 front office.
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Is Oklahoma getting the same treatment?
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Is Oklahoma getting the same treatment?
Not sure.
With respect to Houston, I doubt it. That's personal between UT and UH.
But some general squirreliness? Could be.
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Is Oklahoma getting the same treatment?
Nope, OU got a favorable shake IMO.
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Well that game was too close for comfort. I only caught some of it since I was out at the race track all weekend.
Not sure about Ewers status, we might find out more in the PC at 11 AM today.
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Well that game was too close for comfort. I only caught some of it since I was out at the race track all weekend.
Not sure about Ewers status, we might find out more in the PC at 11 AM today.
U.S. Grand Prix, wasn't it?
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Yup, US Grand Prix at Circuit of the Americas in Austin (actually, just outside of Austin, but close enough).
Always a fun weekend out there, we take the RV and camp the whole time, to avoid all of the traffic/parking headaches of getting in and out of the venue each day. It's also like one giant tailgate party all weekend. I could use a couple days off to recover... :)
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Murphy has deceptive speed and presents a pro style approach
Hes 6'5" and 235 pounds and he has a much quicker release then Ewers which is fine as long as he reads the def correctly and stays away from picks
I think under him our rushing game will increase
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Every season has those weekends that turn into Survival Saturday. This seems to have been it for 2023. Upsets were perpetually brewing all over the place, and a few of them even panned out. On those cursed days, just win and move on.
If the Texas defense has its head up its butt in the next game, then we may have alarm bells. As for last Saturday, Longhorns and Sooners alike....I've decided to chalk it up to the ECFGs.
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Air Raid teams like Houston live with the embarrassing defeats to the Ball States of the universe in order to maintain a hope to beat the Texas and OUs of the universe. Once Houston's QB realized that the only tackling in the backfield was going to be done by his own OL, he settled in nicely.
But seriously, Texas knows the only way to handle these teams is to keep scoring. The wasted possessions with ill timed A gap runs stopped a lot of drives. Houston putting up 24 with a silly passing display only draws a chuckle if we've got 45 on the board.
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Air Raid teams like Houston live with the embarrassing defeats to the Ball States of the universe in order to maintain a hope to beat the Texas and OUs of the universe. Once Houston's QB realized that the only tackling in the backfield was going to be done by his own OL, he settled in nicely.
But seriously, Texas knows the only way to handle these teams is to keep scoring. The wasted possessions with ill timed A gap runs stopped a lot of drives. Houston putting up 24 with a silly passing display only draws a chuckle if we've got 45 on the board.
One of my Austin buddies texted me right after the game "I'll take the win but we got lucky. Refs screwed Houston" (referring to the spot). I told him "Yeah but they'd been screwing UT all game so I guess they just finally found a new bunghole to stick it in."
You're not spouting hyperbole. There was a lot of arm-hooking going on, and at least one play where Houston's LT form-tackled the Texas rusher.
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Houston followed up the bad spot with a bad play. They faked themselves out with some weird "Boot action y-zig flat" thing. It relied 100% on Texas selling out to stop a run that they didn't even show.
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This was the best captured one, but it was going on all day.
https://twitter.com/Txprepsfootball/status/1715864904878477554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1715864904878477554%7Ctwgr%5E11a6c98f513270b043be20e86bab998b55085d08%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTxprepsfootball%2Fstatus%2F1715864904878477554%3Ft%3Dn4BUYvPtQ8gpYUPzV1_aiQ26s%3D19
I don't want to sound like sour grapes, but there's a reason our d-line manhandled Alabama all day long, but seems unable to get any pressure at all in games where B12 refs are officiating.
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Partly because Bama's OL has turned out to suck, but yes, point taken.
Odd thing is, our DL can't buy a holding call with those same SEC crews. The front has certainly had its problems this year, but one of them is failing to get any flags on plays where their jersey is grabbed after blowing by their man. A sack or two in the Ole Miss game and who knows, we might be sitting at 7-1.
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(https://i.imgur.com/SQyneiC.png)
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That brings up memories that make me angry and sad.
There's a screen-grab much like that with players circled from the 2016 contest with lsu/bama, illustrating 3 blatant holds from the bama OL which comes right before Hurts escaped the pocket and scampered for the game's only TD.
I had nothing against Jalen Hurts, but I always thought he was just okay and if he didn't play on a team where everybody around him was substantially better than everyone else, he'd prove it. Sure enough, he gets to LSU who has a line that couldn't be put on skates and DBs who can cover, and whaddaya know, they score 10 pts, which should've been 3 or 6, depending on if they hit a FG there. But definitely shouldn't have allowed that TD to stand...you know....with the 3 blatant holds.
I still think of him that way with the Eagles. He's a better NFL qb than I thought he'd be, but he's still just okay at that level, but somehow the dirty birds have amassed the best lines in the NFL, which make everybody else that much better, and it frustrates me to hear broadcasters slobber over him. My only consolation was watching him at OU running into a team in the playoffs that forced him to be great and elevate team beyond the sum of its parts. He couldn't do it, or even come close.
But the thing that makes me the most angry and sad about those 3 unflagged holds is that even if they rightfully took that score away......we'd still have lost 3-0 :'(
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That is indeed a sad, sad story.
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Interesting stat
Penalties
UT 6 for 60 yards
U of H 1 for 15 yards
U of H had 38 penalties for the first 6 games of this season
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not surprising
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Nope, we knew there'd be shenanigans.
Just gotta play that much better, to ensure a finger on the scale doesn't tilt it too far.
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I wonder if Yormark gives a pep talk to each team the week before it plays OU or Texas.
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I wonder if Yormark gives a pep talk to each team the week before it plays OU or Texas.
He had a really bad weekend with Texas and OU managing to squeak out wins over New B12 teams. I feel so sorry for him.
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Since Texas fans started the whole "S-E-C!" chant all those years ago, I think it would be only fitting if they'd go ahead and chant it at the end of their wins this year.
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that might draw a flag
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Anyway...
Horns have to play Houston this weekend, AT Houston. This was likely a barb aimed directly at the Texas administration, who have refused to play Houston in any major sport, ever since the event called "Bleachergate."
Bleachergate occurred in 2001, when Texas was scheduled to play an away game at Houston...But they did agree to add some additional temporary bleachers in the endzone to serve a larger crowd, and they sold those tickets to Texas fans.
During last Saturday's Texas-Houston broadcast the announcers worked in a discussion of "Bleachergate," quoting the then Texas Athletic Director:
(https://i.imgur.com/yLpCi5n.png)
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Yup. And few folks could hold a grudge like DeLoss.
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boy howdy
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Here's another play where the UH right tackle just clobbers our DL with hands to the face and a choke hold. Uncalled, of course. I'm not kidding when I say this happened, this egregiously, on almost every single Houston offensive play from scrimmage. It's difficult to find a screen shot WITHOUT this happening, and in many cases it's several UH OL doing it at the same time.
(https://i.imgur.com/vqsOVL2.jpg)
So on the one hand, yeah, our defense allowed an embarrassing comeback. On the other hand, they did it with one arm tied around their throats.
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boy howdy
Oh you ought to know. Only bigger grudge-holding ahole out there, is Dr. Tom himself.
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Is Oklahoma getting the same treatment?
We don't have an equivalent to Houston, but we sure seem to be getting a lot of early kickoffs.
11 a.m. games played this year and scheduled (as of now) for Big 12 teams:
OU: 6
KState: 3
TCU: 3
Baylor: 3
Cincy: 3
UCF: 2
ISU: 2
Texas: 1
Houston: 1
KU: 1
WVU: 1
BYU: 0
Tech: 0
OSU: 0
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11 AM is Fox's premier timeslot and has long been considered the "national" timeslot for ABC/ESPN. OU is getting the 11 AM games because OU has been the best team in the B12 for over two decades.
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Oh you ought to know. Only bigger grudge-holding ahole out there, is Dr. Tom himself.
Oh what's the back-story here? I didn't realize there was some long simmering feud with Tom Osborne and ???
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Oh what's the back-story here? I didn't realize there was some long simmering feud with Tom Osborne and ???
Tom Osborne and Texas is the story there.
He always hated Texas, blamed UT for ending Nebraska's dynasty by ending Nebraska's capability to recruit non-qualifiers and limiting their capability to recruit partial qualifiers, despite the fact that the B12 vote on that subject went against NU 11-1. He blamed Texas for everything he didn't like, despite most of those votes going against him 11-1. And then the actual football W/L record on the field, going 1-9 against Texas in B12 play, just sent him off the deep end.
Hatred of Texas was his rallying cry to rile up the Husker masses and make the move to the B1G. And he never stopped shit-talking all the way out, crying to the press about mean old greedy Texas, even though his school was clearly making a move for more money while mean old Texas was staying in the B12 and making less.
He's a bitter spiteful little shiteater and although I love my Husker friends like Fearless, I'm glad that Tom Osborne has seen such football catastrophe in the B1G. Couldn't happen to a more deserving small-minded prick.
ECFGs will have their retribution, every single time.
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11 AM is Fox's premier timeslot and has long been considered the "national" timeslot for ABC/ESPN. OU is getting the 11 AM games because OU has been the best team in the B12 for over two decades.
I know that that is the case with Fox. I'm not sure about ABC/ESPN.
11:00 games for the upcoming Saturday:
ABC: #4 Florida Sate at Wake Forest
ESPN: Texas A&M at South Carolina
Fox: #6 Oklahoma at Kansas
2:30 games:
ABC: BYU at #7 Texas
ESPN: #20 Duke at #18 Louisville
Fox: #8 Oregon at #13 Utah
In any event, OU has over the years repeatedly asked the Big 12 for fewer 11:00 home games. The fans don't like that time and it is not ideal for visiting recruits.
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Tom Osborne and Texas is the story there.
He always hated Texas, blamed UT for ending Nebraska's dynasty by ending Nebraska's capability to recruit non-qualifiers and limiting their capability to recruit partial qualifiers, despite the fact that the B12 vote on that subject went against NU 11-1. He blamed Texas for everything he didn't like, despite most of those votes going against him 11-1. And then the actual football W/L record on the field, going 1-9 against Texas in B12 play, just sent him off the deep end.
Hatred of Texas was his rallying cry to rile up the Husker masses and make the move to the B1G. And he never stopped shit-talking all the way out, crying to the press about mean old greedy Texas, even though his school was clearly making a move for more money while mean old Texas was staying in the B12 and making less.
He's a bitter spiteful little shiteater and although I love my Husker friends like Fearless, I'm glad that Tom Osborne has seen such football catastrophe in the B1G. Couldn't happen to a more deserving small-minded prick.
ECFGs will have their retribution, every single time.
I was teaching at West Point when the Big 12 was formed, and I wasn't really paying attention to that formation. What I think I know about it is what I've picked up since retiring from the Army in 1999 and moving back to Oklahoma. I've thought that the seven other Big 8 schools--including OU--voted against Nebraska on every issue because they were tired of getting beaten every year, and that OU was happy to see the OU-NU series cut in half for the same reason. As far as the partial qualifiers, I've always understood that it was Texas who was most insistent about limiting that practice. In other words, 11 programs had a variety of motives to make life harder for Nebraska, the dominant program in college football at the time, and they acted on those motives.
The Nebraska head coach/ass't A.D. being upset would seem to be a normal reaction to that. I can't speak to the "bitter spiteful little shiteater" part. My only gripe about Dr. Tom concerned the retention of Lawrence Phillips on the team.
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Did the Big Ten allow partial qualifiers
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Yup. And few folks could hold a grudge like DeLoss.
Imagine what Texas could've become under him if his parents had named him DeWin.
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Zing.
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I was teaching at West Point when the Big 12 was formed, and I wasn't really paying attention to that formation. What I think I know about it is what I've picked up since retiring from the Army in 1999 and moving back to Oklahoma. I've thought that the seven other Big 8 schools--including OU--voted against Nebraska on every issue because they were tired of getting beaten every year, and that OU was happy to see the OU-NU series cut in half for the same reason. As far as the partial qualifiers, I've always understood that it was Texas who was most insistent about limiting that practice. In other words, 11 programs had a variety of motives to make life harder for Nebraska, the dominant program in college football at the time, and they acted on those motives.
The Nebraska head coach/ass't A.D. being upset would seem to be a normal reaction to that. I can't speak to the "bitter spiteful little shiteater" part. My only gripe about Dr. Tom concerned the retention of Lawrence Phillips on the team.
The shiteater's shit-talking on the way out, didn't mention OU or ISU or KSU or anyone else... despite all the 11-1 votes that went against him. No, he only had words for Texas.
So I think you should be able to see, pretty clearly, why I would point out that he's a grudge-holding little shitstain.
And I didn't even bring up his hypocrisy and morally bankrupt behavior with respect to assholes like Lawrence Phillips and Christian Peter, but yeah, that too.
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Did the Big Ten allow partial qualifiers
Nope
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I had sorta forgotten about the Tom Osborne/UT feud. I did remember about the PQ's being a big deal to Nebraska.
I think NU is in jeopardy of falling off the Blue Blood list. Replaced by LSU and or Florida. UTenn slipping down as well.
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Anyway, that's all ancient history at this point.
Horns have to play against BYU this weekend, and they are Texas Kryptonite. All time the Horns are 1-4, and the last two meetings, Texas lost 40-21 in Provo, and 41-7 in Austin.
Texas opened as a 20.5 point favorite in Austin. Man, that seems like a lot to me. With a backup QB and an offense that struggled the past 3 quarters, I'll just be happy with a win.
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Strangely, I'm more concerned with the health JT Sanders, Jake Majors, and Ryan Watts than I am with Maalik Murphy.
It's not like he's some duffer we're forced to use. He was a highly rated pocket passer a lot of teams fought over. He's been in the program for two years.
It's very likely, without the history, he'll just run the offense the way Sark wants. We've seen him throw fastballs, but I understand he can change speeds (a) when needed and (b) when the adrenaline calms down. He should throw the ball on time and on schedule without checking 3 times to make sure he's correct.
I did notice that the OL seemed to find another gear once Quinn went out. I know they were working against a tired defense, but it was gratifying to see.
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Strangely, I'm more concerned with the health JT Sanders, Jake Majors, and Ryan Watts than I am with Maalik Murphy.
It's not like he's some duffer we're forced to use. He was a highly rated pocket passer a lot of teams fought over. He's been in the program for two years.
It's very likely, without the history, he'll just run the offense the way Sark wants. We've seen him throw fastballs, but I understand he can change speeds (a) when needed and (b) when the adrenaline calms down. He should throw the ball on time and on schedule without checking 3 times to make sure he's correct.
I did notice that the OL seemed to find another gear once Quinn went out. I know they were working against a tired defense, but it was gratifying to see.
Yeah 4th quarter has been pretty good for Texas, perhaps aside from the OU game. We finally have some depth for the first time since about 2009, and it's paying off.
Majors' health is definitely a concern, and I'd throw in Burke as well. He's been just constantly getting minor dings and, as evidenced in the above screen shots from the Houston games, it's likely he's got some neck and throat issues from being choked so often in throat-holds.
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just depends which Horn team shows up
we need get me the ball Danny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rplwk3p85jg
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The Nebraska head coach/ass't A.D. being upset would seem to be a normal reaction to that. I can't speak to the "bitter spiteful little shiteater" part. My only gripe about Dr. Tom concerned the retention of Lawrence Phillips on the team.
yup
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yup
Right. I'm stating exactly that.
He was upset from things that happened 15 years earlier, and trash-talked Texas all the way out the door.
What part of "holding a grudge" do you folks not understand?
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(https://i.imgur.com/oHv9wFx.jpg)
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Right. I'm stating exactly that.
He was upset from things that happened 15 years earlier, and trash-talked Texas all the way out the door.
What part of "holding a grudge" do you folks not understand?
I don't remember much of the trash-talking. I'm not saying that it didn't happen. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention because he wasn't talking about my school. Maybe My memory is fallible.
Re the grudge, who's holding it?
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I don't remember much of the trash-talking. I'm not saying that it didn't happen. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention because he wasn't talking about my school. Maybe My memory is fallible.
Re the grudge, who's holding it?
Well, yeah, of course. I'm not surprised you wouldn't remember, why would you?
Anyway, if you'd like to start a thread about Tom Osborne, feel free. I don't feel the need to discuss it any further on the Texas football thread. I was merely comparing the grudge-holding capability of DeLoss Dodds and Tom Osborne, both proved themselves quite adept.
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The question against BYU is how many headlocks will they be allowed to put the Longhorn DL in?
1-5 -- should be fine
6-10 -- harder to overcome
11+ -- getting into the equivalent of -2 in TO margin
I'd recommend a wrestling pro be brought in to give a seminar on how to escape sleeper holds.
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Ha! Indeed.
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This oughta do it.
I mean, some of BYU's holds were more blatant that this, but this should be a good primer to get the DL started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITANAywSS8
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This oughta do it.
I mean, some of BYU's holds were more blatant that this, but this should be a good primer to get the DL started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fITANAywSS8
I just forwarded this video to Sark, hopefully it'll pay off!
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I only got to see about half the game in between tasks whilst volunteering with my daughter's band. Defense looked good overall, aside from giving up some yardage in mostly prevent formations.
Maalik looked... like he needs a lot of polish. He seems to have a good head for the game though.
I sure hope we get Ewers back soon though, it's a different team without him.
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sooners - 11 penalties for 101 yards vs Kansas
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Yup the B12 ref fuckery continues.
This is not a hold (unless Texas were on offense):
(https://i.imgur.com/euE0TSr.jpg)
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95 shoulda watched the video I provided on escaping from a headlock. His fault, really.
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My take on the game has two main themes
thank goodness our defense showed up as they saved our bacon several times
Our coaches kinda tied Murphy into a handoff role when in the red zone
not sure why
this is a very talented kid and can score if given a chance
he will be better each additional game
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Yup the B12 ref fuckery continues.
This is not a hold (unless Texas were on offense):
(https://i.imgur.com/euE0TSr.jpg)
This play did draw a flag. I was excited, because of the dead obvious holding in the end zone. That counts as a safety.
The flag was on the right tackle for hands to the face. It was called at the 3 yard line, so accepting that penalty would just have given BYU a repeat of 3rd down at the 1.5 yard line. Texas, of course, declined the penalty.
Maalik gave a very credible, but expectedly freshman, performance. The turnovers stand out, of course, but he corrected those.
What he'll need to ingrain in his head this week is to step into every throw. BYU wanted to muddy his pocket with pressures. He obligingly started throwing jump passes off his back foot.
Texas won't be able spam the running game against KSU, so he'll need to be the driver this week.
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This is not a Longhorn rant only, but it was a good example of something I see a lot of which I don't like.
Twice down at the goal line Sark went for it on 4th down got stuffed for no points. This is the world of analytics. Don't even get me started on that. Nevertheless, assuming coaches aren't using analytics incorrectly or making narrow, specific decisions based on generalized metrics, there's still something to be said for game management.
I didn't really care the first time. Don't want to kick a FG? Fine, go for it. Maybe you get it and BYU loses all hope. If you get stopped, oh well. The second time was different. It's 21-6 with less than 2:00 to go in the 3rd quarter. At this point I don't care what the analytics say, you kick the FG to make it a 3-possession game. Given the game flow, whatever your chances of success are, it's still less than BYU scoring on 3 consecutive possessions. And it almost certainly needs to be consecutive possessions, because there's not that much time left. And, given that they stuffed you before, you can't just "play the odds," you have to recognize that something is going on out there that caused you not to pick up the yardage, and saying "F it, our percentages go up this time because we didn't make it last time" is tempting, but flat wrong.
But the risk/reward is the main thing. The reward is almost certain, and severe...meaning, you go a long, long way toward guaranteeing victory. The risk is....not immense, because again, your defense has been playing well, but you're still passing up a sure thing for style points. Get stopped again, awesome, now it's still a 2 score game. The fact BYU couldn't score is irrelevant, it was the wrong call. The more time winds down, the more important taking points becomes if you can increase the number of possessions required for a team to come back and beat you.
I've seen this so much, and then it goes on to bite the team in the butt enough times to make me wonder why not incorporate some good ol' fashioned game management along with those fancy analytics. Not a ton, mind you. Texas is case in point....it didn't hurt them at all. But why even put yourself at risk for being one of those more rare times when it does indeed bite you?
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There's a lot of truth to what you're saying. Going up by three scores greatly changes BYU's plan for winning. It never was likely, but needing to score points on three unanswered possessions would be devastating.
College football "analytics" would have to be specific to each team and each opponent. In a professional setting, there's more of a convergence of talent and style. College football (and why I prefer it) has much more "we do this well, and the opponent doesn't do that well" situations. In that particular situation, giving the ball back to BYU that close to the goal line put them in an ugly quandary. They have a lot of plays that might work, but those same plays also run a real risk of losing 2 yards. They could try that at the 25 and play 2nd and 12 if they had to. On the 1, that's a safety. The likelihood was that they'd struggle to get traction, waste time, and give the ball back either via punt (and the chaos of return) or TO.
My point being that there can't be a dispassionate manual that a coach can go to and think, "The data says to do this,". College football just has too many subjective variables for such a determination.
Now, leaving that, perhaps Texas would find more success if they stopped bunching big guys together and trying to power into the end zone? As I see it, that gives the defense too much of a "just push really hard right here and hope someone falls over" advantage. A more spread formation, even that close in, forces the defense to cover more ground, puts lighter bodies out there, and increases the odds that the OL can beat the guy in front of them.
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I don't think Sark was using analytics-- I think he's being overly emotional. He's allowing the passion and intensity of the moment to influence his decision making.
Thankfully it didn't cost Texas the BYU game.
Arguably, it did cost Texas the OU game, or at least significantly harmed Texas' chances at winning.
Regardless I don't like it and I want it to stop.
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I really, really get the urge to prove to God and everybody that you can pick up a yard when you feel like it.
Sometimes I think it's fine to give in to that, whether you make it or not.
Other times I think that urge must be fought and put in its place.
Not that it really mattered, but the same thing happened to us in the FSU opener. We had goal-to-go from just a yard or two out on 4th down twice in a row, and since it was the first half and we were moving the ball well, I was okay with the decision to go for it on 4th down. However, the bunch formation you mention brought FSU in closer, and the decisiveness with which they stood up our guys was glaring. Maybe a guy fired off too high. Maybe he didn't get the jump he wanted. Maybe the QB didn't get low enough or tried to tunnel through the wrong gap. Maybe this, maybe that. They damn near got knocked backwards.
Next possession it happened again, and we did the exact same thing, with the exact same result. Prior to that call, I absolutely knew we needed to take points. FSU had already proved they can win a bunched-up scrum pile with our guys, so we should've either kicked the easy FG or at least spread them out with a nimble QB who only needs a sliver to squirt by some guys.
I can't honestly say going into the half up 20-14, 23-14, or 24-14, instead of just 17-14--depending on the success of different decisions--makes a difference given how their lines clobbered ours in the second half....and none of that erases Lacy's sudden decision that a WR doesn't really need to catch perfectly thrown balls down the field because hey, punting is fun. But at any rate, it was the same thing....glaringly obvious that doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results was Kelly's version of insanity.
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The question against BYU is how many headlocks will they be allowed to put the Longhorn DL in?
1-5 -- should be fine
6-10 -- harder to overcome
11+ -- getting into the equivalent of -2 in TO margin
I'd recommend a wrestling pro be brought in to give a seminar on how to escape sleeper holds.
(https://i.imgur.com/E4qrunU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lwwHTEH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/rd1HmN1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZdTOLvx.png)
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Meh, what's a little choke-slam between friends?
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Meh, what's a little choke-slam between friends?
Like you said, it's their own fault for not learning how to escape a head lock. Lazy mofos.
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Things to watch for in Texas games this year:
https://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/best-signature-moves-wwe-wcw/
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Ha! Sad but true.
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https://twitter.com/CJVogel_TFB/status/1719701070203564145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1719701070203564145%7Ctwgr%5E3b2dafd71b4171207b83ee7dec01d77a51eacc74%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fcjvogel_tfb%2Fstatus%2F1719701070203564145%3Fs%3D6126t%3D6-iXhrrYFGqOWClYC23GSA
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4. OU (47.4)
Sooner Magic
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Furk me....if anybody read that before I erased it, that was completely the wrong thing to use. Old-azz brain of mine....
I'll do the right one later.
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4. OU (47.4)
Sooner Magic
Apparently.
Oh, and the three immediately in front of Texas, all have yet to play Texas. So I expect that gap to widen considerably over the next 4 weeks.
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KSU could jump to 60+ this week
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KSU could jump to 60+ this week
Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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Furk me....if anybody read that before I erased it, that was completely the wrong thing to use. Old-azz brain of mine....
I'll do the right one later.
No idea what you're talking about, so you're all good. :)
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Well I saw the first half of that game, which was going quite well until they sputtered and had the punt blocked. Then the rest of the game was nearly a disaster from the Texas perspective, aside from the end.
We definitely need Ewers back, but even when he was healthy we struggled in red zone offense and 3rd down offense. I'm not sure it's anything that's fixable during the season.
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Sooners got screwed by the zebras
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Sooners got screwed by the zebras
I didn't catch any of that game but it doesn't surprise me.
As expected, KSU benefitted from more penalties than Texas, and at 10 penalties for 67 yards, increased their gap in the chart I listed above.
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I only saw a replay highlight of an obvious pass interference not called in the endzone
sooner wr was tackled before the ball arrived
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I only saw a replay highlight of an obvious pass interference not called in the endzone
sooner wr was tackled before the ball arrived
Yup there was a lot of that being allowed by B12 refs yesterday-- but only if the player on offense was wearing a Texas or OU jersey.
https://twitter.com/UTBarstool/status/1720959555935338950
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Thats the play that really stood out
amazing no call
but the Horns found a way to overcome it
sure glad the cats coach was an idiot for his overtime call of going for it on 4th down
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Thats the play that really stood out
amazing no call
but the Horns found a way to overcome it
sure glad the cats coach was an idiot for his overtime call of going for it on 4th down
If it had worked everyone would have called him a gutsy genius.
I'm glad it didn't, of course.
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well all I can say is I called it the minute they decided to go for it
I knew they couldnt pull it off and all I felt was relief
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The Horns rank 9th in the country against 3rd down conversions
The cats chose to play into our strength which was not a wise call
thank you very much coach
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As far a Ewers is concerned he threw some last week and he might return as early as next week against TCU
while thats probably too optimistic Im hoping to see him a week after the TCU game
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The Rig12 is going to do everything it can to use its shitty refs to steal a game from us. An away game at TCU or at ISU look like prime opportunities. We're gonna have to play much cleaner football to make sure they don't succeed in their cheating endeavors.
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The Rig12 is going to do everything it can to use its shitty refs to steal a game from us. An away game at TCU or at ISU look like prime opportunities. We're gonna have to play much cleaner football to make sure they don't succeed in their cheating endeavors.
The refs suck and probably are biased against UT.
The SEC was out to prove they can top anyone again this weekend. Caught 3 SEC games and the reffing was atrocious in all of them.
Big 12: We have worse refs than you can possibly dream of.
SEC: Hold my beer.
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its ok to be bad at being a ref
just be bad to everybody
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I wasn't convinced the Texas offense was going to do anything other than what they did in OT. The FGs were a reasonable given, but in order to win, they were going to have to grab a turnover. Otherwise, it was inevitable that KSU was going to match their FG with a TD at some point.
Deciding to match the KSU offense against the Texas defense for one play needing 4 yards was not a smart bet. Kick the FG, reset, and make Texas play the game correctly. The QB run was not a threat against a disciplined defense, and asking WR to get clear in 14 yards of space before the rush hits is a small percentage of success.
This isn't last season where anyone who needed to win against Texas at the end could count on their 2 yard play working.
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All the criticism for the refs and is anybody going to bring up another problem Texas is having? Blowing big recent leads to Houston and Kansas State?
Going back to Washington Sark has trouble applying the killer blow. It's a sign of an even bigger weakness Sark has - getting outcoached, especially when it comes to halftime adjustments.
IMO, though Sark's in-game coaching has improved, having the constant talent advantage while coaching USC, Washington, USC again, and Alabama lulled him into out-talenting the competition rather than strategizing matchups and exploiting weaknesses, which Sark teams are often a step behind on.
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Well, I mean, the ref criticism is fair and accurate, and I'm not seeing it done in the context of "that's why we only barely won." It's just pointing out that the refereeing in that game was abysmal. And that it's been the norm in Texas games, possibly everywhere in the Big 12. (Though as mentioned, the SEC crews were out to match them this weekend.)
I'm not sure about the killer instinct. Have to think about that more. This game in particular seems like a poor point of evidence, since Texas merely went as Murphy went. When he was on, Texas was fire. When he was off, they stalled and struggled to put drives together. It wasn't playcalling, aggression, change of strategy, etc. It was a hot and cold QB who sometimes released on time and on target and sometimes waited too long and short-armed a bunch of throws.
Arguably, Sark should've done better at USC, but take into consideration the guy was dealing with his own personal demons at that time.
One thing that's clear to me, is that this is a different Texas team than any of the 2010 - 2022 versions. This team is for real on the lines and they're finding ways to win instead of ways to lose.
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All the criticism for the refs and is anybody going to bring up another problem Texas is having? Blowing big recent leads to Houston and Kansas State?
Going back to Washington Sark has trouble applying the killer blow. It's a sign of an even bigger weakness Sark has - getting outcoached, especially when it comes to halftime adjustments.
IMO, though Sark's in-game coaching has improved, having the constant talent advantage while coaching USC, Washington, USC again, and Alabama lulled him into out-talenting the competition rather than strategizing matchups and exploiting weaknesses, which Sark teams are often a step behind on.
while we had the 2nd half drop off problem last year we dont seem to have this problem this year
some games we came on stronger in the 2nd half
I dont share your concern. The Houston game is one game so its hard for me to see a trend.
Kansas State has a very good team and is not Houston plus we are playing a Freshman QB and guess what we won the game
I am concerned with some of the play calling when we are in the red zone and IMHO need improvement there
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You can't coach experience. A player just has to earn that.
Texas handed KSU 20 points in 3 minutes. They busted a tackle on the sidelines, glided a poor INT (the only real criticism of the bunch) on a ball that didn't get thrown away properly, and had their best RB fumble. Of course, all of these disasters had to happen right about their own 30.
KSU stayed strong and hoped for a break to get them back in the game. They got more than could reasonably be expected, but that's why we love this sport. College football played by 18-22 year old guys. The ball is pointy and bounces funny.
In the first half, KSU dared Maalik to beat them with his arm. They stacked the box against the run and played man on the receivers. Murphy repeatedly found Adonai Mitchell for huge gains. Once it became apparent that he could keep doing that, they lifted a safety back high, sacrificed run support, and started playing zone.
Realistically, Mitchell was still open. However, the inexperience of Murphy showed when he was reluctant to risk turnovers if he misread the zone. He got tentative and slow. It only got worse once the score got close.
Longhorn fans will remember 1st year Quinn's hilariously awful attempts to throw the ball away. Turns out, it's harder than it looks and impossible to practice. Experience really is the only teacher sometimes.
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For me it's impossible to separate the performance against Houston, from the absolutely one-sided officiating. We have two of the best DLs in the country, guaranteed future NFL guys, and they are consistently nullified by offensive lines that commit holding against every other opponent they face, but not Texas?
Gimme a freaking break.
KSU was a different story. As has been pointed out, as went MM, so went Texas.
We're gonna need Ewers back if we want to overcome what we know to be inevitable in future games with Big 12 refs.
And yeah, we desperately need to improve in the red zone. Part of it is playcalling, part of it is execution, and none of it is good.
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OU is the most penalized team in the Big 12 (https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/article/statistically-speaking-oklahoma-leads-big-12-in-penalties-219174873/).
So, ranking from least-penalized to most-penalized (https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game), with national rankings in parentheses:
1. Iowa State (T12)
2. Baylor (T16)
3. Kansas (T23)
4. Kansas State (T27)
5. West Virginia (T33)
6. Oklahoma State (T37)
7. BYU (T44)
8. Houston (T51)
9. Texas (T59)
10. Cincinnati (T65)
11. Texas Tech (T77)
11. UCF (T77)
13. TCU (T92)
14. Oklahoma (113)
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Most of Texas' penalties on Saturday were big Cam Williams getting the bugs worked out at RT. He was either false-starting or crushing his man. There didn't seem to be a middle ground.
KSU's first pick came when Johntay Cook was shoved down coming out of his break. The guy who shoved him went on to intercept. Tough, because that wasn't necessarily a penalty that should have been called - until the end result was an INT.
On Texas' final scoring drive, Xavier Worthy was arm-barred for 25 yards down the field. forcing him to stay in the middle rather than chase down his flag route. The result was a FG instead of a TD.
Certainly there were other clear instances, but those two directly cost points.
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good news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66eHGcA0F2E
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Good news indeed!
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an ugly win but a win is better then a loss
Ewers was 22 of 33 completed passes for 317 yards 1 passing TD and 1 interception
not his best performance but not his worst either
The coaches chose to shut down our passing attack late in the game for a more conservative ground attack
TCU played eight in the box a was successful at containing our rushing attack
much of the lack of offensive performance came from this coaching decision which I really disagreed with
but again a win is a win
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My 14-1 "prediction" is still possible.
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an ugly win but a win is better then a loss
Ewers was 22 of 33 completed passes for 317 yards 1 passing TD and 1 interception
not his best performance but not his worst either
The coaches chose to shut down our passing attack late in the game for a more conservative ground attack
TCU played eight in the box a was successful at containing our rushing attack
much of the lack of offensive performance came from this coaching decision which I really disagreed with
but again a win is a win
Ewers is clearly still hurt and struggling to throw the ball. That red zone flat pass at the goal line was the perfect playcall and the receiver was wide open for it, but Ewers pulled up short on the throw and couldn't put any power on the ball. Result-- incomplete pass well short of the receiver.
I think that had as much as anything to do with why the mix shifted to run-heavy in the second half. Don't get me wrong, Ewers did quite well for a player who was clearly still injured and playing at MAYBE 60%. Hopefully he can continue to heal. It's obvious the coaching staff trusts Ewers at 60% more than they trust Maalik at... well... any %.
But our defense has GOT to do better at containing the opponent, especially when the offensive strategy changes of necessity, as it did last night. They did fairly well in the first half, and just flat-out stunk in the second half.
I'm really worried about the game in Ames. Over the past decade plus it's been a tough place for us to play, you know they're hungry, and we're just not playing with a chip on our shoulder. The injuries to QB1 and RB1 aren't going to help.
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Texas can't dick around and let Alabama into the playoffs. Because primary goal #1 is to keep Alabama out of the playoffs :72:
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Ewers is clearly still hurt and struggling to throw the ball. That red zone flat pass at the goal line was the perfect playcall and the receiver was wide open for it, but Ewers pulled up short on the throw and couldn't put any power on the ball. Result-- incomplete pass well short of the receiver.
I think that had as much as anything to do with why the mix shifted to run-heavy in the second half. Don't get me wrong, Ewers did quite well for a player who was clearly still injured and playing at MAYBE 60%. Hopefully he can continue to heal. It's obvious the coaching staff trusts Ewers at 60% more than they trust Maalik at... well... any %.
But our defense has GOT to do better at containing the opponent, especially when the offensive strategy changes of necessity, as it did last night. They did fairly well in the first half, and just flat-out stunk in the second half.
I'm really worried about the game in Ames. Over the past decade plus it's been a tough place for us to play, you know they're hungry, and we're just not playing with a chip on our shoulder. The injuries to QB1 and RB1 aren't going to help.
Ewers did have that long 3rd down pass for a 1st down late in the game so he must of not been too injured
he also passed the ball for over 300 yards
he might have reinjured himself late in the game who knows
if the coaches were trying to protect him late in the game as you suggest then their play calling was necessary
I hope he gets better by next week
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Ewers did have that long 3rd down pass for a 1st down late in the game so he must of not been too injured
he also passed the ball for over 300 yards
he might have reinjured himself late in the game who knows
if the coaches were trying to protect him late in the game as you suggest then their play calling was necessary
I hope he gets better by next week
He was favoring the throwing shoulder from the 1st snap. He did well through the pain but I'm not sure how anyone could watch that performance and not know he was hurt the whole time. The entire second half gameplan resulted from trying to protect him from throwing too much.
And yes I definitely hope he gets better by next week. Because the coaches clearly trust 60% Ewers more than 100% or 1000% or 1000000% Maalik.
The young RBs are going to have to step up too, because sadly Brooks is out for the season.
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If FoSu loses another game, I think that we backdoor into meeting the Horns again in the CCG.
Of course, if you guys lose one of your last two, I think we backdoor into meeting the Pokes again.
That's assuming that we don't lose another one, which is not a guaranteed proposition at all.
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Clear as mud.
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You should read the long version.
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It's much more complicated than I thought. Texas controls its own destiny, but apparently nobody else does in the race for the other spot. It could come down to how the KU-Cincy game turns out.
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Yikes. Is that even a conference game????
:)
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A cyclone win this Saturday would sure spice up things
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A cyclone win this Saturday would sure spice up things
No thanks
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I'll let myself out
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I'll let myself out
you should be ashamed
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My home state program and just want to and some spice
I mean stir the pot
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Fearless likes his chicken spicy!
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pretty sure the bird in the blender could us more spice
tastes like chicken
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Fear the bird in a blender.
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You stay classy, TCU!
(https://i.imgur.com/hojXciL.jpg)
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They're signaling "Longhorns are #1!"
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I flip off the TV plenty during a Husker game
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Late to the party on recapping the Longhorns holding on Vs a grudge-holding TCU. But that last long throw and catch by Ewers to Mitchell to close it out was a thing of beauty - this type of play is the gutsy difference between the haves and have-nots:
(https://i.imgur.com/qLd6K2N.png)
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Late to the party on recapping the Longhorns holding on Vs a grudge-holding TCU. But that last long throw and catch by Ewers to Mitchell to close it out was a thing of beauty - this type of play is the gutsy difference between the haves and have-nots:
(https://i.imgur.com/qLd6K2N.png)
Yeah that as an amazing play. Dread turned instantly to elation.
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It doesn't have to look pretty. It just has to work.
Quinn clearly wasn't healed last week. Throughout the game, Texas managed to just barely miss the mark, such as a brilliant outside run for 9 1/2 yards, followed by a run stuff, followed by a (suspect) false start. Instead of a new set of downs inside the 10, there's a FG.
When Texas gets out to a big lead this week, Sark may have to call time out to remind his team that the other guys are about to give it everything they have. They're going to try and claw back in the game, so be ready for heroics. As long as Texas has Texas on their jersey, the other teams are going to bow up. Crush that moment and the game is over. Let it succeed, and they'll never stop fighting.
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So what do they do about offenses mounting comebacks because offensive lineman pick up Texas DLs and, like Zangief from Street Fighter, perform a leaping pile driver on them, with no flags?
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I very much doubt that any Big 12 team has a DL that matches at least Alabama's at home. When the middle of the 4th quarter came, the Texas OL was able to shove the Bama DL out of the way for 7 minutes and end the game. They absolutely can do it. They knew Alabama was going to empty the tank to get the ball back. They fought through it.
There's going to be that particular point where even the Big 12 DLs are going to make a stand. The Texas OL just has to hold each other accountable - remind each other that this is gonna be a man on man fight, and to show the defense who's got the guts.
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I very much doubt that any Big 12 team has a DL that matches at least Alabama's at home. When the middle of the 4th quarter came, the Texas OL was able to shove the Bama DL out of the way for 7 minutes and end the game. They absolutely can do it. They knew Alabama was going to empty the tank to get the ball back. They fought through it.
There's going to be that particular point where even the Big 12 DLs are going to make a stand. The Texas OL just has to hold each other accountable - remind each other that this is gonna be a man on man fight, and to show the defense who's got the guts.
I agree, but MDT was talking about the reverse situation. Texas' talented d-line versus under-talented o-lines that are allowed to perform WWE moves at will throughout the game.
The answer, is, nothing. What CAN you do? You just have to so completely out-class the opponent that not even the most egregious 1-sided officiating, can steal the game from you.
It's not fair, but what else is there to do?
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Last night risked the ideal setting for a Longhorns upset. An underrated Iowa State team, playing a road game in the cold - I figured Texas could get ambushed. But their big talent advantage came through, staying just ahead enough of Iowa State to remain in control, especially in the second half. Texas played like they were taking their business trip seriously.
Despite lingering hurt, Ewers was efficient, distributing the ball to seven different receivers, all of which caught two or more passes. Baxter stepped up for 117 rushing yards with the backfield on his shoulders after Brooks' injuries Vs TCU.
Any time Iowa State scrapped back, Texas fought back with responses that weathered them through the game. For instance, after Iowa State took a 66 yd pass to the house to trim the lead to 23-16 in the 4th, Texas pieced together an 11 play, 6 min drive topped by a FG to make it a two possession game again.
Compared to the Longhorns last trip to Ames, losing 30-7 and getting run out of the stadium by Breece Hall, this is an experienced, well rounded team with NFL ready talent at key positions; they play cohesively, methodically working through a schedule full of teams posturing for one last shot at the Horns.
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The Horns actually dominated Iowa St much more then the score indicates
We had two TDs called back because of penalties
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the big 12 refs were on to you
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They squatted around the first half with self-inflicted problems and came on stronger in the second half. The reverse of what they've been doing. If they put it all together for 4 quarters they'll be really tough to beat.
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They squatted around the first half with self-inflicted problems and came on stronger in the second half. The reverse of what they've been doing. If they put it all together for 4 quarters they'll be really tough to beat.
That was the Alabama game, Texas played a full 4 quarters, dominated the LOS from both sides, and used the skill position players for key plays all game long. We haven't seen that Texas team since that game, but if/when we do again, they'll be tough for any team in the country to beat.
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When TVondre Sweat decides to claim the middle of the LOS, he effectively shuts down the running game by himself. Trying to attack the Texas defense without benefit of play-action is a rough proposition. It leaves the opponent with quick slants (as the LBs and DEs decide who's rushing and who's dropping) or the aforementioned OT tackling drill in pass protection.
That 4th and 1 play, hopefully, was a learning moment for the Texas defense. The TE did a brilliant job of disguising himself, but a Safety still should have left the middle patrol to the big boys (realizing that even giving up the 1st down on a sneak only gave ISU the ball at their own 30) and at least made the catch a contested affair. Instead, they were eager for glory, crashed the line, and watched the TE recede into the distance.
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When TVondre Sweat decides to claim the middle of the LOS, he effectively shuts down the running game by himself. Trying to attack the Texas defense without benefit of play-action is a rough proposition. It leaves the opponent with quick slants (as the LBs and DEs decide who's rushing and who's dropping) or the aforementioned OT tackling drill in pass protection.
That 4th and 1 play, hopefully, was a learning moment for the Texas defense. The TE did a brilliant job of disguising himself, but a Safety still should have left the middle patrol to the big boys (realizing that even giving up the 1st down on a sneak only gave ISU the ball at their own 30) and at least made the catch a contested affair. Instead, they were eager for glory, crashed the line, and watched the TE recede into the distance.
Yup.
To be fair, on that play two of our DL were busy being choked/smothered/dragged to the ground by the ISU o-line (uncalled of course), but even so, better care and discipline in the secondary could have negated all of that.
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Just another reminder that the guy who signs the paychecks of the officials, B12 Commissioner Brett Yormark, is openly, publicly, actively advocating for the defeat of the Texas Longhorns this week.
https://twitter.com/josephcook89/status/1694443421786591268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694443421786591268%7Ctwgr%5E0c7d9acadd8357f028769758d426c81125901ec2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjosephcook89%2Fstatus%2F1694443421786591268%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1694443421786591268257Ctwgr255Eeae4cff35918490e3b49c68d56b8207e94c47f62257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2F2023%2F08%2F24%2Fbig-12-commissioner-brett-yormark-texas-openly-rooting-against-texas-tech
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at least Brett is man enough to admit it
not so much when Pelini was on his way out
although they might have told Bo just to piss him off a bit more
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Anybody know if Sweat is related to the standout former Miss. St. DL Montez Sweat from a couple years ago?
I've seen several players at UF and Bama with names shared by LSU guys that I recognized, and was able to find out in most cases they actually were cousins. It's a big world with a lot of the same names, but turns out when you're talented enough to play at a big boy school, some of those names really are coming from the same small group of people.
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Good question MDT. I do not know the answer.
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Good luck to Texas against Texas Tech. Assuming that the Horns win, all that has to happen for OU to get to the CCG is for oSu to lose to BYU tomorrow. If the Horns lose, oSu still has to lose, and so does K-State (to ISU).
So, Horns, make it nice and simple. Just beat the Matadors and let BYU take care of the Pokes.
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https://twitter.com/Cory_Mose/status/1728268442430832794
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'Twas glorious! Yorkmark was an unprofessional ass and deserved every bit of it.
On the other hand, I have no doubt it's going to come back to bite us next week.
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My 14-1 quasi-prediction is still in play ...
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Bite your tongue.
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Good thumping of TTU by the Horns. Too bad oSu pulled out a win today.
Run the Pokes out of Jerry World in the CCG.
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Good thumping of TTU by the Horns. Too bad oSu pulled out a win today.
Run the Pokes out of Jerry World in the CCG.
Sure hope so!
Are y'all watching this snow game up in the Little Apple? Really awesome spectacle.
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Would Texas be at the point of a "great season" if they win next week?
Or do fans need a bowl win or two as well?
At 12-1, they stay ahead of Alabama no matter what I think.
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Would Texas be at the point of a "great season" if they win next week?
Or do fans need a bowl win or two as well?
At 12-1, they stay ahead of Alabama no matter what I think.
winning the CC game would indicate a great season to me
winning after that is icing on the cake
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For me a "great" season needs to encompass Greatness. Going 12-1, winning a conference championship, and winning a bowl game, I think would constitute a Great season. But losing a bowl game or CFP game would probably take off some of the luster.
At 12-1, they stay ahead of Alabama no matter what I think.
Folks have been using the "eye test" against Texas all season, and I get it. Texas has had some close wins that might make you raise your eyebrows a bit.
So I'd hope that Alabama's near-loss to a bad Auburn team would consequently be held against them, too.
I've heard plenty of people say that Texas beat Alabama early, and that things would be quite different now. From what I saw from Texas on Friday, and from Alabama on Saturday, i don't believe that even one bit.
Anyway, gotta beat a game OkState team first. Like Texas Tech, they have a very good running back. Unlike Texas Tech, they have some WRs with a pulse. This won't be an easy game for Texas.
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For me a "great" season needs to encompass Greatness. Going 12-1, winning a conference championship, and winning a bowl game, I think would constitute a Great season. But losing a bowl game or CFP game would probably take off some of the luster.
Folks have been using the "eye test" against Texas all season, and I get it. Texas has had some close wins that might make you raise your eyebrows a bit.
So I'd hope that Alabama's near-loss to a bad Auburn team would consequently be held against them, too.
I've heard plenty of people say that Texas beat Alabama early, and that things would be quite different now. From what I saw from Texas on Friday, and from Alabama on Saturday, i don't believe that even one bit.
Anyway, gotta beat a game OkState team first. Like Texas Tech, they have a very good running back. Unlike Texas Tech, they have some WRs with a pulse. This won't be an easy game for Texas.
In a bowl game outside of the national playoff so many key players opt out that its importance is gone to me
its sad really
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In a bowl game outside of the national playoff so many key players opt out that its importance is gone to me
its sad really
True enough. I've never really cared much about bowl games, but in the context of a "great" season with a conference championship and going ALMOST undefeated, I think that losing the final game of the season would probably put a bad taste in my mouth.
Anyway, some very important football to be played before then.
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Bowl games are weird, and were weird, once really and obviously exhibition games of a sort, not even counted in final AP polls. Then they started to have significance, you could win and finish top 10 or lose and finish 18th. Top ten was better, duh, folks would track it.
Now, as noted, so many sit them out at times is back to being a "preseason game" of sorts. But "we" watch.
Next year I'd guess anything short of a playoff appearance will be a down year for a lot of programs, more than 12.
We have more undefeated teams SO FAR this season than is typical. We're usually down to about 3 by now (and could end up there).
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I'd prefer coaching staffs and teams that value "the game" and treat it as an opportunity
a bowl game is a game - should be valued, but it isn't the same. I'm old.
I'm hoping if Coach Rhule ever takes a team to a bowl, it will be of value to his staff and his team.
I can only hope.
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I'd prefer coaching staffs and teams that value "the game" and treat it as an opportunity
a bowl game is a game - should be valued, but it isn't the same. I'm old.
I'm hoping if Coach Rhule ever takes a team to a bowl, it will be of value to his staff and his team.
I can only hope.
Mack Brown won a decent amount of bowl games but didn't give a lick about them. He always talked about the value of the extra practices. He used bowl games for team evaluation/development for the following season.
This didn't apply to national championship games, of course. Those, he took very seriously.
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Osborne was a believer in the extra practices for the entire squad
but, he was motivated to win every game. His job usually depended on it. And he wanted his players make a habit of winning.
He never held out starters or gave them fewer reps leading up to a bowl game.
Tom was 12-13 in bowls, but he tried to win them all
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The Dawgs are 36-21-3 in bowl games, but some of those 21 Ls are to Texas, including their last postseason loss.
Do we count playoff games as bowls?
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The Dawgs are 36-21-3 in bowl games, but some of those 21 Ls are to Texas, including their last postseason loss.
Do we count playoff games as bowls?
The only REALLY important bowl game between the two teams, is a Georgia win.
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I count playoff games as bowls
be Cause, if there wasn't a playoff those teams would be playin in a bowl
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Will they be counted as bowl games next year too?
If you finish 5th, you'd get to play 12, and then 4 if you win, and then 2 if you win that, and then 1 ...
That is going to be weird. to me.
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I'd make a new column and count them as something else. They're really not the same as bowl games and shouldn't be considered so.
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foolishness
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For the wisdom of this world is foolishness
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https://twitter.com/HornSports/status/1728810934569988353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1728810934569988353%7Ctwgr%5Ef77a52107e90b0185c544dbc22dba9ac65929485%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1728810934569988353
https://twitter.com/HornSports/status/1728633561081676254?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1728633561081676254%7Ctwgr%5E0e62fd8c64a40d4b0128997af92832f014fe3b5f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FHornSports%2Fstatus%2F1728633561081676254
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Big 12 teams that are bowl eligible..........
Oklahoma State Cowboys
Oklahoma Sooners
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas State Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers
Texas Tech Red Raiders
Kansas Jayhawks
UCF Knights
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Oregon only played 5 bowl eligible teams, that's some weak sauce.
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Congrats, Horns on making the CCG! I wish the Sooners were joining you but we just didn't keep up our end of the deal. Anyhow, take that trophy to the SEC!
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Thanks Thumper, I'm definitely hoping for an inspired and clean game from Texas against the Pokes.
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Texas showed why scheduling at least one major power in OOC play is important. That win over Bama in Tuscaloosa is a big poker chip.
The reverse is why a 1-loss OU Big 12 champion would probably not have been picked for the CFP. Our scheduled game with Georgia was canceled by the SEC for reasonable reasons. SMU was the last-minute replacement. So, no OOC wins that would impress anybody.
Good luck to the Horns in the CCG and on Selection Day.
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Texas showed why scheduling at least one major power in OOC play is important. That win over Bama in Tuscaloosa is a big poker chip.
The reverse is why a 1-loss OU Big 12 champion would probably not have been picked for the CFP. Our scheduled game with Georgia was canceled by the SEC for reasonable reasons. SMU was the last-minute replacement. So, no OOC wins that would impress anybody.
Good luck to the Horns in the CCG and on Selection Day.
Thanks CW
Next week will be interesting
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Oregon only played 5 bowl eligible teams, that's some weak sauce.
You make a coherent, logical, fact based argument, and that's why I think you will be wrong.
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You make a coherent, logical, fact based argument, and that's why I think you will be wrong.
Certainly could be. The committee has surprised me many times before.
Won't matter at all if the Horns don't play a great game on Saturday and win the B12, so that's all that actually matters to me at all. It's not like Texas has been swimming in conference championships in football lately, this would be a rare and special prize.
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I agree, an SEC crowd would be fantastic, whatever happened thereafter.
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I keep hearing about Texas' great win over Alabama. I see Texas' strength of schedule in the single digits as compared to the other teams' mid-double digit SOS.
They follow the discussion with "but you can't leave them out of the playoff if they're undefeated!" and "but they're the conference champs!".
It's clear that CFB values zero losses much more than big wins.
We'll see if, to the committee, home field advantage in Lubbock, Texas is worth +50 points.
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I'd agree an undefeated P6 should be in in nearly any case. It comes down, often, to 12-1 champs and 11-1 nonchamps.
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I keep hearing about Texas' great win over Alabama. I see Texas' strength of schedule in the single digits as compared to the other teams' mid-double digit SOS.
They follow the discussion with "but you can't leave them out of the playoff if they're undefeated!" and "but they're the conference champs!".
It's clear that CFB values zero losses much more than big wins.
We'll see if, to the committee, home field advantage in Lubbock, Texas is worth +50 points.
Yup, same as it ever was.
If Texas wins and DOESN'T get in, it will absolutely be a clear message that teams shouldn't ever schedule a tough OOC game. There's just no reward for it. Zero losses is all that matters and big OOC wins won't help, so why risk it?
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I think scheduling up does help, if you win, and quite a bit in the event of a clear tie otherwise. It won't overcome a loss if the other team is 13-0.
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I think scheduling up does help, if you win, and quite a bit in the event of a clear tie otherwise. It won't overcome a loss if the other team is 13-0.
Currently it's not overcoming a loss against a team with the same record, 11-1 Oregon who risked nothing by playing Portland State, Hawaii, and Texas Tech in their OOC. Heck, even YOU are completely discounting that win and Texas' superior SOS, and saying Oregon should get in over Texas if they both win out.
So again, the win over Alabama doesn't appear to be carrying any weight with the selection committee, which means it was an unnecessary risk.
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with fla st's qb injury it oughta be ga, mich, dub, & tx due to their win at bama. jmo. perhaps fla st will lose to the fraudulent cards & pave the way as i'm certain the committee won't do what they should if they don't. & judging by their struggle with fla it's a distinct possibility. as for ore their loss is slightly better than tx' (i think ?) but the bama win on the road was so impressive. maybe if ga wins by 50 i'll think different but they won't that game will be a battle. ore is favored by 9.5 for some reason (inj's idk about?).
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You make a coherent, logical, fact based argument, and that's why I think you will be wrong.
ya they're set up for the hoser.
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Oregon only played 5 bowl eligible teams, that's some weak sauce.
I would like to note here this is another reason why Jayden Daniels deserves the Heisman over Bo Nix. Nix couldn't even get close to Daniels' production with a much weaker schedule. Oregon's SOS is #62 while LSU's is #7. I am not clear on where that SOS comes from though.
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I caught the first half and some of the 4th quarter of the Texas Tech game. Finally, a game where the Horns didn't take either half off or shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly. Looked like more non-holding calls for yet another UT opponent, but the Horns played too well for it to matter.
I consider myself not to be much of a "calls conspiracy" guy, outside of some really questionable stuff in Alabama games over the years (although that was shattered by the recent Iron Bowl, where, for as much of it as I got to watch, the refs were screwing Bama left and right and handing AU gift after gift, keeping them alive). However, the stuff the Big 12 has been doing with Texas this year is unquestionable. You can look at things like holding calls against teams vs. Texas and holding calls against the same teams vs. everyone else, but you don't need to. Just watch the games. I don't see how you can reasonably conclude that the officials aren't just throwing up a giant middle finger to Texas this year. It's really something.
When the Longhorns play like that, I think they're probably one of the two best teams, along with UGA--the version that played Ole Miss and Tennessee, not the UGA that craps around with Auburn, etc. When both play their best game, I think those are the best teams I've seen. Michigan and Ohio State are a step below that, maybe Oregon and Washington belong there too, and FSU with Jordan Travis.
What I find interesting is not the conversation about Texas and Oregon. Rather, Texas and FSU. Even without losing Jordan Travis, I didn't think FSU was as good as UGA or Texas. So if they win the ACC CG, what happens if Washington re-defeats the Ducks and UGA beats Alabama? You have undefeated Michigan, Georgia, Washington and FSU. Washington is probably safe from any 1-loss team taking their spot. Florida State is interesting, because do you reward a team for being perfect and who continued to win after their QB was hurt? Or do you penalize them because you "believe" they are lesser now, and don't give them the chance, and let a 1-loss team jump them? There will be many arguments made either way, I think. I myself am not sure what I'd do, because I see the merits of both sides, although I'm inclined to not let an undefeated team be jumped by a 1-loss, and FSU does have a nice ooc win over LSU.
Should be interesting. Seems like everyone thinks the Ducks will beat Washington, but the Ducks were thought to win the past two times, and Washington keeps beating them, so....
I just hope Texas plays their best game again vs. Okie State. Will be much better for the chaos if everyone else holds serve, which is more interesting than if they were to lose. Plus, my wife and my many Longhorns friends will be happy, so there's that.
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Yup. Beating a solid OkState team, and winning the B12 at 12-1, would be a great accomplishment for this Texas team.
Like I said earlier, it's not like it's been raining B12 football trophies all over Austin. Mackovic won one, Mack Brown won two, and that's it. Three B12 football championships in 26 years. If Texas were to be fortunate enough to beat OkState, the 4th and final one should not be taken for granted.
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I would not have guessed Texas would be that bereft of B12 trophies.
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I would not have guessed Texas would be that bereft of B12 trophies.
Yup. Our archrival has pretty much dominated both us, and the conference, for the majority of our tenure here.
And then the last 14 years or so, where Texas has just sucked and lost to pretty much everybody.
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A wise man once said, "Sucking sucks."
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FTR, I've never liked the "their QB got hurt so they shouldn't be in the CFP" argument. I know that the Committee thinks that way, but I think it's wrong. I know that it stems from the mission to "pick the best team," but I still think it's wrong-headed.
In any case, they often don't pick the "best team" because they overly value the "zero losses" factor. And they value that zero even if it was helped by obvious officiating malpractice.
"Best resume"--which I value--is subjective too, but less so than "best team."
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I find that these "what-if" scenarios rarely play out. Very good chance FSU will lose to 10-2 L'Ville.
Very good chance UGa beats BAma. 2 loss Bama is out.
Very good chance UDub beats Oregon.
I didn't realize that oSu and Texas hadn't played. I wouldn't count them out. Mike Gundy, for all his flaws, is a helluva coach about 1/2 the time. Earlier this season I wrote them off, now they're playing for the CCG.
Very fortuitous that UT scheduled Bama, that win is huge in their resume.
My final 4 pick is as follows:
-UT and Mich
-UW and UGa
FSU loses. I think that's the most likely scenario. I still see UGa winning it all, and I very much look to see how UT matches up wiht Michigan. Will Harbaugh be back for the playoff? I can't remember how many games he's out. Not sure if it makes a difference.
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I believe Harbaugh gets to coach again starting now, in the Big Ten championship game.
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what if Alabama beats Georgia
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I find that these "what-if" scenarios rarely play out. Very good chance FSU will lose to 10-2 L'Ville.
Very good chance UGa beats BAma. 2 loss Bama is out.
Very good chance UDub beats Oregon.
I didn't realize that oSu and Texas hadn't played. I wouldn't count them out. Mike Gundy, for all his flaws, is a helluva coach about 1/2 the time. Earlier this season I wrote them off, now they're playing for the CCG.
Very fortuitous that UT scheduled Bama, that win is huge in their resume.
My final 4 pick is as follows:
-UT and Mich
-UW and UGa
FSU loses. I think that's the most likely scenario. I still see UGa winning it all, and I very much look to see how UT matches up wiht Michigan. Will Harbaugh be back for the playoff? I can't remember how many games he's out. Not sure if it makes a difference.
Except that it's not helping, because the committee isn't looking at resume' and doesn't give a rat's ass about SOS. If they did, Texas wouldn't currently be sitting behind Oregon.
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The committee has been known to jump things around in the 11th hour. Oregon above Texas could just be a reflection of something they don't think needs fixing if Oregon loses again to Washington. If Oregon wins, it's still possible the committee will see the situation didn't work itself out and do some more evaluation between the two.
Or they may feel like Oregon is genuinely better. Who knows. The committee's thoughts and ways are not our own.
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Before I forget, I spotted some more familiar names in the UT/Tech game.
Tech had a defensive player with the surname Baskerville. I'd feel sure he's got to be related to LSU's Micah Baskerville of a couple seasons ago. That's not a very common name. I also saw Texas had a player (RB maybe?) named Blue who they said was from Houston. LSU had a running back named Alfred Blue from Houston about ten years ago, and I'd guess they are related. There was also a player named McCray, but I don't remember which team he was on. Also about ten years ago LSU had Danny McCray, and since then I've seen a couple of other McCray's show up on other SEC teams who I found out were related. Wouldn't surprise me if this one were too.
There was also a 4th player name I recognized, but I can't remember it anymore. I couldn't tell you why, but it's interesting to me when families produce multiple big time athletes, and even more so when they don't all go to the same school.
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The committee has been known to jump things around in the 11th hour. Oregon above Texas could just be a reflection of something they don't think needs fixing if Oregon loses again to Washington. If Oregon wins, it's still possible the committee will see the situation didn't work itself out and do some more evaluation between the two.
Or they may feel like Oregon is genuinely better. Who knows. The committee's thoughts and ways are not our own.
Pretty sure this is the answer. Which means they're disregarding resume' and SOS, in favor of the "eye test" which leans heavily on MOV.
Considering MOV without adjusting for SOS is for simpletons-- and that's precisely what the committee is.
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Considering MOV without adjusting for SOS is for simpletons-- and that's precisely what the committee is.
And of course I'll completely change my stance on the committee if they slide Texas up over Oregon this week, in advance of the CCGs. :)
But I don't expect that to happen, I feel like the die is cast here.
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Washington could always beat Oregon again and make their job a lot clearer.
I would like to have seen more out of the Husky defense lately. Looks to me like Oregon is better on that side of the ball since they last met.
Let's just all pull together and root for a Husky win. A second loss for Oregon would be good for Texas, and U-Dubb giving Nix hell all day would be good for Jayden Daniels :)
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Washington could always beat Oregon again and make their job a lot clearer.
I would like to have seen more out of the Husky defense lately. Looks to me like Oregon is better on that side of the ball since they last met.
Let's just all pull together and root for a Husky win. A second loss for Oregon would be good for Texas, and U-Dubb giving Nix hell all day would be good for Jayden Daniels :)
Heh, well for your sake, I'm good with that.
From the Texas perspective, as long as the committee chooses to keep Oregon over Texas, then it doesn't matter who wins the PAC championship. An undefeated Washington PAC champ is in over Texas. And if the committee holds to form, a 12-1 Oregon is in over Texas, too.
Really UT's only hope, is for a Michigan or FSU loss. One seems to be at least slightly more likely than the other.
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FTR, I've never liked the "their QB got hurt so they shouldn't be in the CFP" argument. I know that the Committee thinks that way, but I think it's wrong. I know that it stems from the mission to "pick the best team," but I still think it's wrong-headed.
In any case, they often don't pick the "best team" because they overly value the "zero losses" factor. And they value that zero even if it was helped by obvious officiating malpractice.
"Best resume"--which I value--is subjective too, but less so than "best team."
It's a bit merciless, but the committee wants the best semi-final games it can manage. To that end, if you've had a great season, but lost a very necessary player that makes your team win, then the committee states very plainly that they'll take that into consideration. They won't deliberately put a fatally weakened team in the playoffs - no matter how good of a season they've had.
Obviously, that fatal flaw has to be borne out. Right now, FSU will either win against Louisville or they won't. If they win, they'll be ACC champs and undefeated. Hard to argue "fatal flaw" if they're still winning. If they lose, then they're neither undefeated nor champs, so the committee will demote them.
The committee is looking for any good reason to demote a team right now. They have too many contenders, and time's running out.
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I think there's a very low probability the committee keeps Oregon over Texas if Oregon picks up a second L and Texas remains a 1-loss team.
In the sense that perhaps Texas would get in over 1-loss Washington, maybe it doesn't matter who wins the PAC CG. Which I could actually see
I think mainly Texas needs FSU to lose. Michigan, UGA, the PAC 12 champion (loser is probably out), and then it's going to be Texas no matter what.
The biggest wrench in the works there is if Bama beats UGA. The committee will go through all kinds of mental contortions to figure out how to put both Bama and UGA in.
Guess we'll see.
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I find that these "what-if" scenarios rarely play out. Very good chance FSU will lose to 10-2 L'Ville.
Very good chance UGa beats BAma. 2 loss Bama is out.
Very good chance UDub beats Oregon.
I didn't realize that oSu and Texas hadn't played. I wouldn't count them out. Mike Gundy, for all his flaws, is a helluva coach about 1/2 the time. Earlier this season I wrote them off, now they're playing for the CCG.
Very fortuitous that UT scheduled Bama, that win is huge in their resume.
My final 4 pick is as follows:
-UT and Mich
-UW and UGa
FSU loses. I think that's the most likely scenario. I still see UGa winning it all, and I very much look to see how UT matches up wiht Michigan. Will Harbaugh be back for the playoff? I can't remember how many games he's out. Not sure if it makes a difference.
Texas matches up very well with the "run to set up the pass" teams. Our interior DL doesn't usually require help to blow up the A gaps and redirect the RB to the edges. Since the DEs are collapsing the pocket anyway, they're usually there to contain the run until the LBs get there.
Texas is vulnerable to the "quick pass" type teams. OU drove the ball using speed slants. UH spammed crossing routes at the end. For the majority of these contests, Texas was relying on depth chart secondary players. However, this vulnerability is why Texas fans get so steamed about the non-holding calls. The pass rush is powerful, and limits the damage crossing routes can do.
I want to see the Texas DL try on Michigan's OL.
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I think there's a very low probability the committee keeps Oregon over Texas if Oregon picks up a second L and Texas remains a 1-loss team.
In the sense that perhaps Texas would get in over 1-loss Washington, maybe it doesn't matter who wins the PAC CG. Which I could actually see
I think mainly Texas needs FSU to lose. Michigan, UGA, the PAC 12 champion (loser is probably out), and then it's going to be Texas no matter what.
The biggest wrench in the works there is if Bama beats UGA. The committee will go through all kinds of mental contortions to figure out how to put both Bama and UGA in.
Guess we'll see.
Oh there's zero chance the committee keeps Oregon over Texas if the Ducks lose. But that will mean that Washington is undefeated and will be in over 1-loss Texas, regardless. Under the current rankings from the selection committee, the PAC is basically already locked in, which effectively locks Texas out, from that spot.
Assuming Texas wins which is hardly a foregone conclusion, and assuming the committee keeps Oregon over Texas this week, then a very simple way to look at it is this:
PAC champ is in no matter what.
SEC champ is in no matter what.
Michigan is in with a win
FSU is in with a win
So the only way Texas gets in, is with either a Michigan or FSU loss.
Of course, there's also the possibility you raise, that an Alabama win will make the committee want to put both Alabama and Georgia in. That gets really messy of course, since Texas would have beaten the team that beat Georgia. Guess we'll find out in a week.
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I sort of want Texas to make the playoffs just so I can see what the defense looks like when the line isn't being suplexed on half the plays.
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I sort of want Texas to make the playoffs just so I can see what the defense looks like when the line isn't being suplexed on half the plays.
I want to see the Texas DL try on Michigan's OL.
Amen to both of these. As long as we don't somehow get B12 refs, I think we'd be in good shape. This is about the filthiest interior DL I've ever seen in college football.
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WHAT IF ALABAMA BEATS GEORGIA
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Last I saw, Oregon is favored over UDubb.
UGA is a 5 point favorite, which is not much different than a toss up.
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Last I saw, Oregon is favored over UDubb.
UGA is a 5 point favorite, which is not much different than a toss up.
My point exactly
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My gut tells me Georgia wins this one, close through much of the game but opening it up to 10-14 by the end.
But Alabama could certainly win.
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College Football Betting Odds & Lines | DraftKings Sportsbook (https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/ncaaf?wpsrc=Organic)
Oregon is -9.5 now, favored.
Texas is -14.
Michigan is -23.
UGA -5.
FSU - 2.5.
Pretty large spreads for 3 of 5 CGs.
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Depends on which UGA shows up. If UGA plays their best--doesn't commit drive-killing penalties, doesn't drop a lot of balls, doesn't fumble, and just basically executes close to the level they're capable of--I think they win and not even close. They could put an emphatic nail in the Alabama Dynasty coffin.
If UGA plays less than they're capable of, the Alabama roster is still stacked with more blue-chips than any other team and have proven themselves to be capable of pulling rabbits out of hats.
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soooooooooo what happens if Alabama beats Georgia
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soooooooooo what happens if Alabama beats Georgia
Well then Texas will have beaten the SEC champ head-to-head by double digits on their own field. Alabama eliminates Georgia and Texas goes over Alabama due to head-to-head. Makes perfect sense right? :)
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Well then Texas will have beaten the SEC champ head-to-head by double digits on their own field. Alabama eliminates Georgia and Texas goes over Alabama due to head-to-head. Makes perfect sense right? :)
If only that would be what would really happens
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soooooooooo what happens if Alabama beats Georgia
Depends.
Washington, Georgia, Michigan, and FSU are all in (probably, FSU is not a guarantee) if they win. If they all win except UGA, then Washington, Michigan, FSU, and Texas are in (imo).
If UGA loses and Washington loses, it will be Michigan, FSU, Oregon and Texas and the SEC will be left out completely (imo). But there's also a chance the committee will bump Bama in over Oregon, or bump UGA in over Texas also, or just any number of things. The committee is going to be loathe to leave the SEC out, but it will also be clear and obvious that it's the right call. So who knows what they'll do.
If UGA loses and FSU loses, it's Washington, Michigan, Texas and Alabama (imo).
There's several other combinations of multiple teams losing that all have their own outcomes of varying degrees of likelihood. There's also 1-loss Ohio State lurking, and who knows what the committee might decide to do with them as a 1-loss option if we don't have 4 undefeateds.
Just too many variables to tell.
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This is about the filthiest interior DL I've ever seen in college football.
What's a DL?
*wistful sigh*
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https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/1729230996783202563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1729230996783202563%7Ctwgr%5E34b5bb6d36c164dc7d823eb09600413a37b0ebe8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmikerodak%2Fstatus%2F1729230996783202563%3Ft%3DLd_f_uZrSqjgjReUGBpDaQ26s%3D19
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soooooooooo what happens if Alabama beats Georgia
Bama is in
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Bama is in
And so the team that beat Bama would be in as well. Makes perfect sense to me.
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So the SEC released SOME of the conference dates for next year, and an industrious poster on surlyhorns interpolated the remaining dates, so this is a potential schedule for Texas next year. There could be a couple of dates mixed up or switched, but it should be pretty close.
| 2024 Opponent | Location | Date |
| Colorado St. | Austin, Texas | Aug. 31 |
| at Michigan | Ann Arbor, MI. | Sept. 7 |
| UTSA | Austin, TX | Sept. 14 |
| ULM | Austin, TX | Sept. 21 |
| Kentucky | Austin, TX | Sept. 28 |
| at Oklahoma | Dallas, TX | Oct. 5 |
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| Georgia | Austin, TX | Oct. 19 |
| Mississippi St | Austin, TX | Oct. 26 |
| at Vanderbilt | Nashville, TN. | Nov. 2 |
| Florida | Austin, TX | Nov. 9 |
| at Arkansas | Fayetteville, AR. | Nov. 16 |
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| at Texas A&M | College Station, TX | Nov. 30 |
The A&M and Georgia dates are definite, as are all of the OOC games. The OU date is highly likely based on the State Fair dates, and where our game always falls within that timeframe. The rest are probable but not certain.
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Two road games to close out the season. Yuck.
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Two road games to close out the season. Yuck.
Yeah, and against two rivals that really dislike us.
Games against three likely Top 10 opponents in Michigan, OU, and Georgia.
Should be a lot of fun!
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Not to worry, they'll be struck by the intimidating helmet of the defending national champs :)
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FWIW:
College Football Bowl Projections
College Football Playoff
Championship Bowl
8 Jan, Houston, TX, TBA (ESPN)
Semifinal Winners
24/7: No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 2 Michigan
Athlon: Georgia vs. Michigan
BMAN: Georgia vs. Michigan
BR: TBD
CBS: TBD
CFN: Michigan vs. Alabama
ESPN/B: Georgia vs. Michigan
ESPN/S: Georgia vs. Michigan
TSN: Georgia vs. Michigan
USA: Georgia vs. Oregon
Rose Bowl
1 Jan, Pasadena, CA, 5 p.m. (ESPN)
CFP Semifinal
24/7: No. 2 Michigan vs. No. 3 Washington
Athlon: Michigan vs. Florida State
BMAN: Michigan vs. Oregon
BR: No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 4 Washington No way No. 1 Georgia chooses to play in the Rose Bowl.
CBS: Michigan vs. Florida State
CFN: Michigan vs. Texas
ESPN/B: Michigan vs. Washington
ESPN/S: Michigan vs. Oregon
TSN: No. 2 Michigan vs. No. 3 Washington
USA: Michigan vs. Oregon
Sugar Bowl
1 Jan, New Orleans, LA, 8:45 p.m. (ESPN)
CFP Semifinal
24/7: No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 4 Florida State
Athlon: Georgia vs. Oregon
BMAN: Georgia vs. Florida State
BR: No. 2 Michigan vs. No. 3 Oregon
CBS: Georgia vs. Oregon
CFN: Florida State vs. Alabama
ESPN/B: Georgia vs. Florida State
ESPN/S: Georgia vs. Texas
TSN: No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 4 Florida State
USA: Georgia vs. Florida State
Selection Committee Bowl Games
Fiesta Bowl
1 Jan, Glendale, AZ, 1 p.m. (ESPN)
At-large At-large
24/7: Oregon vs. Alabama
Athlon: Tulane vs. Texas
BMAN: Washington vs. Alabama
BR: Texas vs. Missouri
CBS: Texas vs. Tulane
CFN: Washington vs. Penn State
ESPN/B: Oregon vs. Alabama
ESPN/S: Washington vs. Penn State
TSN: Alabama vs. Oregon
USA: Washington vs. Penn State
Orange Bowl
30 Dec, Miami Gardens, FL, 4 p.m. (ESPN)
At-large At-large
24/7: Ohio State vs. Louisville
Athlon: Louisville vs. Ohio State
BMAN: Ohio State vs. Louisville
BR: Florida State vs. Ohio State
CBS: Louisville vs. Ohio State
CFN: Georgia vs. Louisville
ESPN/B: Louisville vs. Ohio State
ESPN/S: Louisville vs. Ohio State
TSN: Ohio State vs. Louisville
USA: Louisville vs. Ohio State
Peach Bowl
30 Dec, Atlanta, GA, Noon (ESPN)
At-Large At-Large
24/7: Penn State vs. Tulane
Athlon: Missouri vs. Penn State
BMAN: Penn State vs. Tulane
BR: Ole Miss vs. Tulane
CBS: Missouri vs. Penn State
CFN: Ohio State vs. Oregon
ESPN/B: Missouri vs. Tulane
ESPN/S: Missouri vs. Tulane
TSN: Tulane vs. Penn State
USA: Alabama vs. Tulane
Cotton Bowl
29 Dec, Arlington, TX, 8 p.m. (ESPN)
At-Large At-Large
24/7: Texas vs. Missouri
Athlon: Alabama vs. Washington
BMAN: Texas vs. Missouri
BR: Alabama vs. Penn State
CBS: Washington vs. Alabama
CFN: Missouri vs. Tulane
ESPN/B: Penn State vs. Texas
ESPN/S: Alabama vs. Florida State
TSN: Texas vs. Missouri
USA: Texas vs. Missouri
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It's facile to pick #1 and #2 to face off in the CG.
Duh.
It could also be correct of course.
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I guess we're all just gonna have to wait and see how the games play out!
Just hoping for a great game from Texas, hope to win the B12 for the first time in 14 years, and then after that it's out of the team's hands.
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You mean they have to play the games???? Heresy.
I think we'll have a least one upset in the CGs that will roil the rankings, I suppose FSU is most likely based on the lines. Texas "should" win, which is a great parting gift.
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many folks root for and hope there are crazy upsets and turn over the apple cart in the conference champ games
it seemed to happen quite often in the Big 12 back in the day, but not so much anymore, and the other conferences just won't cooperate at all
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Here's hoping for some wackiness in Charlotte...
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I think Laville is only a 2.5 point dog, and Bama is at 5 or so. Both are well inside the MoE.
Michigan looks like a near lock and Texas is close, Oregon of course is favored, close. So, reasonably likely is Oregon, Laville, and Bama all win.:'(
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Bamma winning is obviously bad for Georgia. It's unclear whether it would help Texas (who would have the best win of all contenders over a 12-1 SEC champ Alabama team), or hurt Texas (too many 1-loss teams and Texas won't get the SEC benefit of the doubt just yet).
Lvll winning is obviously good for Texas.
Texas winning is best for Texas, of course.
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I'd doubt Texas jumpin a one loss Georgia
just from the past couple seasons influence
and unfortunately, Bama would jump Texas as SEC champ
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I'd doubt Texas jumpin a one loss Georgia
just from the past couple seasons influence
and unfortunately, Bama would jump Texas as SEC champ
Could be. The committee finds all sorts of ways to do things that don't make any sense.
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I think Laville is only a 2.5 point dog, and Bama is at 5 or so. Both are well inside the MoE.
Michigan looks like a near lock and Texas is close, Oregon of course is favored, close. So, reasonably likely is Oregon, Laville, and Bama all win.:'(
Last I saw, Oregon was favored by 10, so not as close as the others.
UGA pulling -5 against the Gumps is interesting. "They" must know something I don't. Yesterday Pollack said he expects a war but that UGA has the better coach at this point and the better coaching staff. Also said last year at the NC game he was sitting next to Saban (why was Saban at the NC game?) and told him UGA was the new king of the conference, and he mildly regrets that now, with Saban having a year to stew on it and probably post it as bulletin board material. Nevertheless, he thinks current Kirby > current Saban, and UGA will prevail in a close one. Me....if both teams play their best, I don't see how Bama keeps it within 10.
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Last I saw, Oregon was favored by 10, so not as close as the others.
UGA pulling -5 against the Gumps is interesting. "They" must know something I don't. Yesterday Pollack said he expects a war but that UGA has the better coach at this point and the better coaching staff. Also said last year at the NC game he was sitting next to Saban (why was Saban at the NC game?) and told him UGA was the new king of the conference, and he mildly regrets that now, with Saban having a year to stew on it and probably post it as bulletin board material. Nevertheless, he thinks current Kirby > current Saban, and UGA will prevail in a close one. Me....if both teams play their best, I don't see how Bama keeps it within 10.
Yup I really like Georgia in this game. I think my prediction on the SEC board was 31-21. Sounds about right to me.
The refrain I've heard recently from some of the SEC honks, is that Alabama is not the same team that played Texas, and that in a rematch Alabama would be certain to win. But I watched the Auburn-Alabama game. That is not an Alabama team that has improved leaps and bounds over the course of the season. The assertion that Milroe is massively improved since the Texas game has also been debunked-- his QBR and passing efficiency stats are similar throughout the season, with one significant outlier-- the Texas game, where he was pressured, harassed, hurried, and sacked, all game long, due to the filthiest interior DL play I've ever seen in college football. It's amazing what those guys can do when they're not hamstrung by B12 refs allowing the o-line to tackle them to the ground on every play with zero calls.
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Oh, I think that Alabama has definitely improved in a few areas, and that shouldn't be surprising, most teams do. Texas has probably improved in one or two things themselves. And for various reasons I don't think the Auburn game is the definitive knock on them that some people probably do. But I don't see any of that as reason to think Alabama at their best could beat Texas at their best.
Or maybe....
When people say Alabama would win a rematch, they simply mean that Alabama forgot to have Dallas Turner knock Ewers out of the game, as he did Ewers last year, as he did Jaxon Dart last year, as he did Jayden Daniels this year, and that Alabama would not make that mistake again.
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Ha! That could be it.
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https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/1729957849843872137
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LOL. What a petty bunch of tiny penises.
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In some ways, it's hard to give the Texas coach too many plaudits. He did a lot with a lot. He took several 4-5 star single digit ranked recruiting classes, top notch facilities, the best assistant coaches available, and turned them into a championship quality football team.
Still, I hope at the end of the game on Saturday, Sark is able to gladly shake the commissioner's hand, accept the Big 12 trophy
and leave it on the bench as the team heads to the locker room to head home.
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I care little for CoY, which I'm sure folks here do as well, but that's hilariously awful.
Good riddance.
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In some ways, it's hard to give the Texas coach too many plaudits. He did a lot with a lot. He took several 4-5 star single digit ranked recruiting classes, top notch facilities, the best assistant coaches available, and turned them into a championship quality football team.
Still, I hope at the end of the game on Saturday, Sark is able to gladly shake the commissioner's hand, accept the Big 12 trophy
and leave it on the bench as the team heads to the locker room to head home.
I mean, it's not like most of these players were here when the previous guy got fired. Sarkisian recruited, worked the portal, assembled a team, assembled a competent, capable staff who developed those players, coached and called the offense directly, and then led the team to this point. He didn't inherit some perennial 11-1 juggernaut. He built this team and took a lot of lumps during the previous two seasons doing it. I'd say he earned COY but this pettiness was 100% expected.
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Yeah, and if you had a choice, maybe you'd vote to award it this way because it's so obviously absurd and petty and whatever else. Rub it in their faces.
In the SEC, I'd give it to Drinkowitz over Smart because Drink did more with less. Not the case with Texas, as you note. And I think Smart did a fine job. Saban did a good job too I think.
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I'll add that Sark has a $50,000 bonus in his contract for winning conference COY honors. So the pettiness just cost him $50K.
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Things like awarding COY to a coach other then Sark tend to put chips on a teams shoulder
Similar to Vince not winning the Cy Young
Just another reason to kick ass
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Cy Young? Forget it, he's rolling.
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Cy Young? Forget it, he's rolling.
Just saying sometimes it doesnt pay to rattle BEVOs cage
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Oh I agree. The last thing OkState wanted is for this Texas team to get riled up the way they were last week, after Yormark's summer remarks about rooting for Tech over Texas.
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I'll add that Sark has a $50,000 bonus in his contract for winning conference COY honors. So the pettiness just cost him $50K.
That's a pity really, for him, though he makes millions anyway. This is petty obviously.
Hopefully they drill OkSU 49-3 despite 28 holding penalties.
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That's a pity really, for him, though he makes millions anyway. This is petty obviously.
Hopefully they drill OkSU 49-3 despite 28 holding penalties.
You ain't just whistlin' Dixie! Here's a look at last year's stats when Texas played OkState, take a gander at the penalty stat line...
(https://i.imgur.com/xkDK8h9.png)
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https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/1729957849843872137
Gundy's a man. He's 40.
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Still, I hope at the end of the game on Saturday, Sark is able to gladly shake the commissioner's hand, accept the Big 12 trophy
and leave it on the bench as the team heads to the locker room to head home.
I'm not really a fan of magnanimity in this particular situation. I think it'd be cool if Sark accepted the B12 trophy, spit on it, hit the commish in the crotch with it, and then dropped the trophy and the mic as he and the team exit the stage in silence, horns up in one hand and middle fingers up in the other.
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Yeah, and if you had a choice, maybe you'd vote to award it this way because it's so obviously absurd and petty and whatever else. Rub it in their faces.
In the SEC, I'd give it to Drinkowitz over Smart because Drink did more with less. Not the case with Texas, as you note. And I think Smart did a fine job. Saban did a good job too I think.
I hear a lot of people saying this. I'm 100% with T-bob and Aaron Murray....that roster has more blue chips than anyone including UGA, there's not a player on the field who was less than a 4-star, I'm not giving Saban credit for putting a sputtering, lesser product on the field in the first half of the season just because he finally got them somewhere close to where they should've been all along.
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I think a good coaching job is one where the product gets better as the season goes on.
A great coaching job does that and has them great at the beginning.
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Wow y'all are some vindictive mofos. I like it!
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Wow y'all are some vindictive mofos. I like it!
We LSU fans are a special breed. We throw piss bags, hack your phone # and spam your voicemails, and we're even famous for yelling vulgarities at right fielders out in the corner seats and causing them to lose their concentration.
If Texas needs any help coming up with F-you's on the way out, I'm definitely your guy.
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Do you steal kidneys?
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RIP Hooky Kidneythief
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I assume the Horns will feel the same love in both the basketball and the baseball seasons
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I assume the Horns will feel the same love in both the basketball and baseball seasons
Yup I assume so.
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(https://i.imgur.com/SpRWaH4.png)
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Clear as mud. :)
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They don't even bother with an Iowa win. That would be akin to TCU ....
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...ya never know...
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My GUESS here:
Bama wins, I'm pessimistic about this one.
Texas, Oregon, FSU, Michigan, nothing out of the ordinary. Then we have the Bama/Texas/Oregon triune. I agree Texas is most worthy here, but I dunno what would happen of course. They have Oregon higher today, and an Oregon win would be over a higher ranked team than Texas would have.
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Yeah, I don't think they'd send a 1-loss non-champ over a 1-loss champ. They've been very careful over the past decade to NOT do that. So unfortunately that would leave Georgia out.
But the committee does as the committee pleases, so we don't actually have any idea.
Anyway I think Georgia's gonna win and it'll be a moo point.
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Moo points are the best kind, for some folks.
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FSU is currently the sand in the vaseline.
Every metric currently puts them at the back of the pack. However, if they win against Louisville, they're undefeated conference champs. That metric is tough to overcome. It'd make everything easier if they'd go ahead and lose that game.
If Alabama wins, there's a simple solution but it relies on the committee abandoning their "um, we really like Bo Nix" fixation.
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FSU is currently the sand in the vaseline.
Every metric currently puts them at the back of the pack. However, if they win against Louisville, they're undefeated conference champs. That metric is tough to overcome. It'd make everything easier if they'd go ahead and lose that game.
If Alabama wins, there's a simple solution but it relies on the committee abandoning their "um, we really like Bo Nix" fixation.
Was so crazy in the Selection show on Tuesday when Rece asked the committee why they had Oregon over Texas when all of the SOS and resume' metrics favor Texas, and the actual response was "Bo Nix has a 78% completion percentage."
We're up against that kind of narrow-minded stupidity, so I really don't hold out much hope anymore. Only way in for Texas is an FSU loss it seems.
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Sadly, it appears the Heisman voters are fixated on that comp% as well. I mean, nevermind that there is another candidate who beats out Nix in 25 of 28 passing statistics and then goes on to blow him out of the water with added rushing production, and who leads multiple categories of Heisman winners all-time, and exceeded Joe Burrow's 2019 production, the biggest landslide Heisman winner in history.
But yeah, behind-the-sticks-Nix and his little dump-offs have a 78% comp%, which.....you know.....is better than Texas' SOS and winning multiple games with a backup QB, and damned if it isn't better than a kid's 72% comp% with superior numbers in literally every other category, sometimes laughably so, against a laughably harder ranked SOS.
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Oregon's Media machine campaign game is strong
look out B1G !
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I'd further like to point out that, to the committee, home field advantage in Lubbock, TX must be worth +50 points. Texas and Oregon both played Tech. Texas didn't have to travel to that infernal den.
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I'd further like to point out that, to the committee, home field advantage in Lubbock, TX must be worth +50 points. Texas and Oregon both played Tech. Texas didn't have to travel to that infernal den.
Thank God! Because apparently, between evenly matched teams, Tech's home fiield advantage is worth about 6 touchdowns.
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Well, that oughta end any Texas/Oregon debate if UT takes care of business in the morning.
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Still got Florida St to worry about
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Well, that oughta end any Texas/Oregon debate if UT takes care of business in the morning.
But... but.... Bo Nix has a 132% completion percentage!
Anyway, fingers crossed that the Horns don't stub their toes tomorrow. Hook 'em!
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Still got Florida St to worry about
They may be down to QB 3.
And Bama could beat UGA of course. Michigan SHOULD win. And of course Texas SHOULD win but will hafta fight off zebras to do it.
We could still have mayhem even with a Michigan win.
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(https://i.imgur.com/mGOASyr.jpg)
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They may be down to QB 3.
And Bama could beat UGA of course. Michigan SHOULD win. And of course Texas SHOULD win but will hafta fight off zebras to do it.
We could still have mayhem even with a Michigan win.
I think that the zebras made a few mistakes in Arlington today. But the net result was probably in Texas' favor. The no-call on clear DPI on FoSu's first possession set the tone. It was about as clear as the DPI no-call that robbed OU late in the Bedlam game. I counted two other bad no-calls, and they went one each way.
Texas was clearly the far superior team, almost doubling the spread. The win will help the Horns' case for going to the CFP, I think.
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Congrats on the conference championship to all the Longhorns on this board. Well done.
Good luck in the playoffs. Bastages !
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Congrats on the conference championship to all the Longhorns on this board. Well done.
Good luck in the playoffs. Bastages !
Thanks just hope we get a shot
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I think that the zebras made a few mistakes in Arlington today. But the net result was probably in Texas' favor. The no-call on clear DPI on FoSu's first possession set the tone. It was about as clear as the DPI no-call that robbed OU late in the Bedlam game. I counted two other bad no-calls, and they went one each way.
Texas was clearly the far superior team, almost doubling the spread. The win will help the Horns' case for going to the CFP, I think.
Should, specially if St Nick gets Smart
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Congrats to the Big12 Champs! You guys left no doubt out there.
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Should, specially if St Nick gets Smart
Which he did.
I have seldom (if ever) rooted for Bama, but Georgia over the last three years has earned the right for everyone else to hope that they lose at some point.
Now we'll see if both Bama and Georgia get into the CFP, or if just one of them does, or if neither of them do.
Texas' shot at the CFP turns on that question and/or the FSU-Lvl game.
And, congrats to the Horns. They leave the Big 12 the way they started in it, as conference champs.
One of the negative aspects of the ever-expanding playoffs is that the conference championship--which not so long ago was the pinnacle of nearly every team's expectations--has been devalued.
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Damn, Bama won too. I think Texas would have to be in.
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delightful cluster
fla st is top four with jordan travis but not even close now - too bad too they might’ve won it all with him but these backups are awful.
i’d vote mich, dub, tx, and ala
slight tx lean to win it all but really idk it’s wide open imo
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CBS' Jerry Palm says that Texas is in.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bowl-projections-texas-gets-college-football-playoff-bid-over-alabama-with-michigan-moving-to-no-1/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bowl-projections-texas-gets-college-football-playoff-bid-over-alabama-with-michigan-moving-to-no-1/)
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Man, all I can say is, no Texas fan can take a conference championship for granted. That was a really important win and an important honor for the team. At the beginning of the season I thought the Horns were more of a 9-3 type team, and there were a couple of games that Texas barely squeaked out, else it could have been a 9-3 season. But this team game together with grit and determination in a way that I haven't seen from a Longhorn squad since 2009. It was a hell of a fun season to be a Longhorn fan.
I'm delighted with the conference championship, and consider anything else this season to be icing on the cake. It would be painful to be so close to making the CFP and then not get in, but that's out of the team's hands. They've now done everything they can, on the field, and we'll just have to see what happens.
Yesterday's blowout win over an Oklahoma State team that has owned us for the past decade+, was enjoyable and more than a little cathartic. It's a nice way to move on to the next chapter.
Hook 'em Horns!
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Well said utee
for those of you who did not see the awards ceremony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxT05sINmzo
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TEXAS IN THE CFP!!!!
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Corngrats
it's the right thing
Just didn't think the Committee had the ballz
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it’s absolutely the right f4. i feel bad for fla st.
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it’s absolutely the right f4. i feel bad for fla st.
5 power conferences and only 4 spots
the right teams are in
the committee had a tough decision but selected the 4 best teams which was their job
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Horns got a good draw playin a PAC team in the Suga
after Bama beats Michigan in the Rose, y'all will get a rematch
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Ive watched the Huskies twice this year and they have a very good team
it should be a good game
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2nd time Horns go to the Sugar Bowl playing a team with a dog mascot
They need to keep Dubs II away from Bevo Hes not a dog lover
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(https://i.imgur.com/gYJTVvs.jpg)
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Alabama > Michigan
Texas > Washington
Texas > Alabama
Texas = national champs
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Alabama > Michigan
Texas > Washington
Texas > Alabama
Texas = national champs
I could live with that. :)
Although honestly Texas has already beaten Alabama. Should the Horns manage to beat Washington, I'd prefer a matchup against Michigan, just to play someone new.
And also, were Texas to win THAT game, it would mean the Horns would be the B12 champs, and would have beaten the SEC champ, the PAC champ, and the B1G champ. The odds are, of course, against all of that. But it's fun to speculate.
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So, after his public advocacy against Texas football earlier this season, B12 Commissioner Yormark received a... salty... reception from Texas fans during the B12 trophy presentation. They booed him so loudly and so relentlessly, you couldn't hear pretty much ANY of his speech. I'm normally not one for booing and I would not have participated had I been there, but I consider it well-earned in this case.
But, not to be outdone, Yormark's daughters had a special handsign for the Texas fans that were righteously booing their dad.
(https://i.imgur.com/OxUzYF8.jpg)
Stay classy, Yormarks.
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Where exactly is that arm coming from?!? Doesn't look like it's attached to a person anywhere.
Anyway, booing Yormark was the funniest part of the game, and my second favorite moment from the broadcast. I had fallen asleep in the 4th quarter and my wife woke me up to see the less than warm reception he received.
My first favorite moment was the halftime desk with Kevin Negandhi and Booger, where Booger got so excited about T'Vondre Sweat's TD reception that the studio crew later pulled old footage of Booger catching a TD against Florida back in the day. Honestly, I don't remember that and had no idea Booger ever logged a TD, but I cracked up when they showed it and Booger was yelling "Kev! Look at it, Kev! Athleticism personified! Athletic dominance at it's best!"
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I could live with that. :)
Although honestly Texas has already beaten Alabama. Should the Horns manage to beat Washington, I'd prefer a matchup against Michigan, just to play someone new.
I'm just stating what I think will happen.
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Texas is schematically tough against teams whose offense is based on the ability to run straight ahead. The aforementioned Sweat and Murphy make that a problem.
Washington doesn't seem to have that scheme. They're comfortable throwing just to throw. Now, the Texas pass rush gets a lot better when choke-holds aren't allowed, but still, slowing that offense will be a challenge for Texas.
I'm hoping Michigan somehow pulls off the miracle win against Bama just so I can see quien es mas macho.
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I'm looking forward to the rematch
Bama/Texas
mostly cause it will stir some folk's pot
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I'm looking forward to the rematch
Bama/Texas
mostly cause it will stir some folk's pot
It'll be fun to beat them twice in the same season and win the national championship, the year before joining the SEC. I'm looking forward to it, too!
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None of the possible outcomes would surprise me, and so I won't be however it shakes out. I think all 4 of these teams have avenues to beating the other 3.
For Bama/Michigan, Bama's back end just quieted a plethora of much more dangerous weapons in UGA than Michigan possesses. I don't think Michigan can line up and play bully-ball with Alabama, so McCarthy would have to show more than I've seen, and the WRs as well. Bama probably can't just pound away at Michigan either, but Milroe figuring out he's actually a great runner is terrible news for their opponents. I feel like if Alabama/Milroe can just hit a handful of plays for good gains down the field they will have an edge, and I believe Milroe, for all his flaws, has shown he can do that. Plus Alabama has cfb's highest scoring player in history in PK Will Reichard. Granted I don't know much about Michigan's FG kicker, but I'd have to think Reichard gets the edge there.
For Texas/Washington, both of them have the firepower to hurt each other down the field. Worthy and Odunze are two of the best wide receivers in the game, both are likely to have several big moments, and the teams' outside weapons don't end with just that top guy. I probably trust Penix a little more from a consistency standpoint, but not exactly a lot...he did have some dropoff down the stretch of the season, and Ewers has been more even-keel this year than last. The reason I give Texas the edge is I believe the Longhorns can run on the Huskies some and will when they have to have it. The Huskies proved a lot of people wrong in how strong and physical they are up front, but the Texas D-line is a far different animal than Oregon, and I don't think they're going to have much success there. I think Texas just has more ways to win and control the clock, so I go with them.
If Texas advances, I think they're the most balanced/complete all-around team, so I pick them over either Michigan or Alabama. But again, it won't surprise me in the least if none of the games go like I think.
People here could accuse me of being a Texas homer and as elsewhere noted, I can see why some might think that. But I'm really not. I call it like I see it, and I've been generally on target with them. I scoffed in the years people said Texas was "back" because I didn't see it, and it usually panned out that way. I lost zero sleep in the years Texas sucked, and I had no excitement in years they showed signs of elevating themselves. This Texas team is simply different/better than any team since the prime Mack Brown days, and thus, I continue to call it like I see it. When they play their best, I'd favor them against anybody. Though I think it will be Alabama again.
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Oh I agree completely, that any of these 4 teams could beat any of the others.
I'm kidding of course when I act like I'm assuming a Texas national championship.
I do like how we match up against the field of competitors, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what our d-line can do without the shackles of B12 referees upon them. We already got a taste of it in Tuscaloosa, where they physically dominated Alabama's o-line.
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UGA struggled in the lines against Bama, especially on defense.
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tbf, everybody dominated Alabama's OL early in the year. They were atrocious and Milroe was the most sacked QB, by far.
Then they must've hired an OL coach, and Milroe opened a fortune cookie that said "You could always try moving your legs away from danger instead of just sitting there and getting obliterated."
It could be that Texas' DL would again dominate their OL, or it could be a more even battle in the trenches this time, on that side. I have no idea. The fact is, since Alabama improved in that regard, they haven't played a D-line like Texas'. UGA certainly isn't comparable to UT on the interior. The closest thing Bama has seen would be the Aggies up front, and 1) that was still when the Bama OL was just starting to show signs that they might turn into an actual OL, and 2) I think Texas' front 4 is probably better than A&M's front 4.
What lingers with me from that first game most of all is how the Texas OL leaned in the Tide DL late in the game. Hardly anyone is ever able to do that to Alabama.
Should they play again, I have no idea if the Longhorn DL will again dominate the Bama OL, but I don't see that Alabama's defensive front started far from where they are now, and Texas was just better on the OL, particularly when they had to be. That is hard to ignore, thus, I still favor for Longhorns.
But what do I know. As per my rant on the B1G board, the eye test is giant pile of jack squat.
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Eh, Milroe was plenty mobile against Texas. His mobility is the only reason the score wasn't a lot worse.
I think it's funny when people assert Milroe was bad early in the season, and much better late. If you look at his QBR and net passer rating throughout the season, it's all pretty consistent. He had some peaks and valleys throughout the year, but it was well within a standard deviation of the normal distribution-- except for ONE outlier, where his stats were much worse. That game was against... Texas, of course.
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UGA struggled in the lines against Bama, especially on defense.
I thought UGA's front might get pushed around some by Bama's OL. I didn't think it would be like that.
What surprised me the most was how consistently Bama's DL controlled and won vs. UGA's OL. I wouldn't say UGA was "dominated" in that battle, but clearly Bama won it pretty consistently. I liked UGA's OL as a pretty elite group. Now I'm not as sure.
Because I'm tired of talking about other people's teams, I'm going to take this digital space to say that for as impressive as Bama's defense was, it left me even more impressed with how average our offense made them look, until they had the good sense to knock JD5 out. It's true that 5 scampered away from them when he felt like it, but the Tiger OL gave him all day, picked up blitzes, set edges, the whole works. And Nabers and BTJr. flat out abused their PFF-best rated secondary, like I thought UGA would. Maybe if Bowers and McConkey had been at full strength they would have. Who knows.
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Eh, Milroe was plenty mobile against Texas. His mobility is the only reason the score wasn't a lot worse.
I think it's funny when people assert Milroe was bad early in the season, and much better late. If you look at his QBR and net passer rating throughout the season, it's all pretty consistent. He had some peaks and valleys throughout the year, but it was well within a standard deviation of the normal distribution-- except for ONE outlier, where his stats were much worse. That game was against... Texas, of course.
Probably true. I haven't rewatched the game. Overall early on he seemed more hesitant to run, but I did notice in tracking QB stats in about week 6 or so that his efficiency rating was high. For as bad as he looks sometimes at mid-range throws, he's been better the entire year than my memory wants to give him credit for.
Except against Texas, I guess. I'll probably wind up watching that again to glean some extra insights. Plus it's probably the only tape I have of Texas' DL not getting held a ton.
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I'll probably watch that game again, as well. It was a fun one.
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It's an excuse at this point, but their two best OLmen was injured, that probably was a factor. Everybody has injuries.
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I'm looking forward to the rematch
Bama/Texas
mostly cause it will stir some folk's pot
i think we’re getting one. both games are compelling and i’m looking forward to it
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It too quiet around here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTMlHxGANv4
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I was about 20 feet behind and to the left of this person when this was shot. Fun game, great day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63GRvfUhlA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inWstbqn6JA
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T'Vondre Sweat was named to the first team defense on the Walter Camp All-American team. Well deserved imo, he's had a heckuva season.
I don't pay for PFF.com but you can see the first couple rows of categories before they lock everything out behind a paywall, and it looks like Sweat and fellow Texas DL Byron Murphy are PFF's two highest graded DTs in the nation for the season. Highly impressive season for both.
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Yeah it's an interior DL for the ages.
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Ive seen a lot of hype about the upcoming Washington game and almost all pick the Huskies to win
The Horns wont be able to rush effectively and their QB will pick us apart in the passing game
Some even point to last years bowl game as an example
I think they might just be surprised a little with our pass rush
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What’s the betting line ?
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Horns are favored by 4.5
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I haven't seen anyone pick against Texas.
The secondary is the weaker part of Texas' defense and if Penix has time, he and a couple of the receivers are good enough to land some blows. I've heard that from various talking heads but it's not discounting Texas, it's just true. Haven't yet seen someone say it will be enough to beat UT.
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Here are two examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SfTqODSAEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3dDDLloERk&t=636s
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Oh. I thought you meant, like, legit talking heads. No idea who that guy in the first video is, and the only reason I know anything about the second one is because the guy on the left is an LSU fan. And he favored Texas.
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I've probably seen more of the mediots picking Texas than Washington. Doesn't matter, they're all irrelevant.
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Oregon is probably more like Texas than any other Pac team. A 4.5 line of course isn't much, it's about a 60-40 game.
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Pretty spotty comparison, I think.
Ewers doesn't dump the ball off behind the line of scrimmage the majority of the time and count on his receivers to make a guy miss in space, like Oregon/Nix. Ewers is much more of a downfield passer than Nix. Oregon also doesn't have a front 4 like Texas. The Ducks are probably good there, but not as good as Texas. Worthy, if he's a full go, is a different animal than anyone Oregon could throw (SWIDT?) at the Husky secondary.
I think Washington can make a good game of it, or even win, but I don't see that UO and UT are similar challenges.
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If you don't do anything about it, Texas prefers to power over you. The offense wants to test your DL by bashing the RB. If you can't stop it with the front, or won't commit extra players, Texas will keep doing that quite gladly. Most teams step up to plug that leak, so Texas tries to exploit the attention to the run by schematically attacking with the pass game. Receivers will run patterns designed to complement each other and pull the defense apart. Whether they were slow learners or personal availability kept it from growing, this part of the game didn't develop into a threat until the last 4 games or so. It's largely unproven against a playoff caliber defense.
On its own defense, Texas starts with Sweat and Murphy creating a clog in the middle. Both players are capable of shedding blocks and making tackles, even sacks, but their main value is crushing the interior of the OL backwards. The running game just isn't going there. Pulling OL can't run around it either. It forces a team to run laterally. Since they face so many run-capable QBs in the Big 12, Texas' edge defenders are adept at keeping runners (QBs, RBs) contained. Running laterally usually results in extra defenders rallying to the ball and a loss.
Texas has had a rough time getting secondary defenders to complement each other in pass defense. No one questions Penix's ability to intelligently throw through miniscule windows NFL style, and this is Texas' true vulnerability in this game. However, he'll have to do it honestly and consistently. Slow developing play-action won't help much since Texas by and large considers the running game stopped. Those edge defenders are seeking to contain until the pocket implodes.
Executive Summary: Texas holds advantages in all phases but one. However, Washington holds a sizable advantage in that one - downfield passing. Is it a large enough advantage to overcome the other deficiencies?
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Which other Pac team is more like Oregon?
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Man can we finally stop talking about Oregon? They lost. Sayonara suckas.
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But, but, Bo Nix' completion% !!!
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I like Oregon. They make decent wine there. Decent, not elite.
Texas has some decent wine also.
14-1 baby. I called it.
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Yer just trying to jinx us. I won't fall for it.
Texas wines are okay. I've had a couple I've really liked. They're not overly consistent though. Makes it tough to buy through the vintages.
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they lost to ala last yr too.
i think a lot of uw & penix. if they can hold up up front they'll be able to strike downfield enough to hurt tx.
but i think in the end tx wins a close game b/c they are better everywhere else as stated itt.
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Washington is going to score on us, probably plenty. Our safeties are pretty pretty bad. That is by far our largest team weakness.
I'm hopeful that, unencumbered by B12 officiating, our powerful d-line pass rush will be effective in hurrying Penix and limiting his downfield capability.
On the flipside, I'm not overly worried about Washington's defense being able to stop Texas in any significant manner. As long as Sarkisian doesn't get conservative and turtle up, Texas just has so many ways to hurt you. And he only tends to turtle up when he has a comfortable lead, I'm not expecting that to happen until late in the game, if at all.
I feel like Texas should win something like 35-24 or 35-28, maybe 38-31.
But it's no guarantee of course. Texas could end up losing by similar scores.
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I had some pretty decent wines SW of Austin (back when I couldn't find any decent BBQ). I even joined one club for a while to reward the lady we stayed with, she could go pick them up easily. They had a nice place with views etc. (the winery). Forget the name.
The problem I find with wines from say Georgia or Virginia is that they can be half decent but cost double what they should.
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Washington is going to score on us, probably plenty. Our safeties are pretty pretty bad. That is by far our largest team weakness.
I'm hopeful that, unencumbered by B12 officiating, our powerful d-line pass rush will be effective in hurrying Penix and limiting his downfield capability.
On the flipside, I'm not overly worried about Washington's defense being able to stop Texas in any significant manner. As long as Sarkisian doesn't get conservative and turtle up, Texas just has so many ways to hurt you. And he only tends to turtle up when he has a comfortable lead, I'm not expecting that to happen until late in the game, if at all.
I feel like Texas should win something like 35-24 or 35-28, maybe 38-31.
But it's no guarantee of course. Texas could end up losing by similar scores.
The most any team has scored on us is 30 by Kansas St in OT I dont think Wash will score more then that
Im counting on our pass rush to control their deep passing threat
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kst couldn’t get the ball downfield this yr the way uw can.
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kst couldn’t get the ball downfield this yr the way uw can.
wasnt suggesting that
but I dont think Wash has faced a team that can pass rush like the Horns
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Its being widely reported that backup QB Murphy is entering the portal and will not participate in the CFB
If true my opinion of Murphy just went way down
Just glad we found out about it now so we can prepare
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That's the way of the world now. Ewers is coming back, if Manning is staying put then Murphy probably sees the writing on the wall and wants to get to somewhere he'll be able to play, pronto. At this point that seems more the norm than not.
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I dont fault him for leaving but you dont get to play for a championship every day
couldnt he have waited until thats over
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Technically he could, I suppose, but if you're leaving you want to get in the portal while the market is wide open, not when the musical chairs has largely played out and options are more limited.
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Technically he could, I suppose, but if you're leaving you want to get in the portal while the market is wide open, not when the musical chairs has largely played out and options are more limited.
Yup. Playing for a chance at the NC is nice, but when you're the backup, you're basically counting on an injury to your starter, to be able to actually play in the game, rather than just ride the bench. I can't blame him at all, and I'm thankful for his contributions while on the Forty Acres.
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It's a weird world. Garrett Nussmeier was the heir apparent once Max Johnson xferred to A&M, but of course LSU brought in Jayden Daniels for 2022, who somewhat unexpectedly beat him out. After 2022 when it was obvious Daniels would probably be the 2023 starter due to experience alone it was widely assumed Nussmeier would transfer. Unusually, for this day and age, he stayed put and was happy to be a two year starter beginning in 2024. For his troubles and loyalty, we're trying to bring in yet another portal QB. For "depth" purposes, but it's obvious the staff doesn't care if Nuss gets beat out. And that's their job, I suppose. I'd like to see what Nuss can do with first team reps in practice and on-field experience. He showed quite well against UGA in the SECCG last year when Daniels was knocked out of the game.
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
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Yup. Playing for a chance at the NC is nice, but when you're the backup, you're basically counting on an injury to your starter, to be able to actually play in the game, rather than just ride the bench. I can't blame him at all, and I'm thankful for his contributions while on the Forty Acres.
Again I dont blame him for leaving its just sad there is no team loyalty involved
I know thats old school but it would have been nice
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as a follow up thought on this
I think this is an obvious flaw in the portal system
The NCAA needs to correct this by not allowing portal use
until after the NC game
there is no reason why that couldnt be done
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So, I see that Texas' 2024 schedule is this:
Aug. 31 – COLORADO STATE
Sept. 7 – at Michigan
Sept. 14 – UTSA
Sept. 21 – ULM
Sept. 28 – MISSISSIPPI STATE*
Oct. 12 – vs. Oklahoma* (Cotton Bowl – Dallas)
Oct. 19 – GEORGIA*
Oct. 26 – at Vanderbilt*
Nov. 9 – FLORIDA*
Nov. 16 – at Arkansas*
Nov. 23 – KENTUCKY*
Nov. 30 – at Texas A&M*
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*Southeastern Conference game
Is the Michigan game a singleton or the first of a 2-game series?
I'm interested because OU plays a 2-game series with Michigan starting with a game in Norman in 2025. I'd love to go to the 2026 game in Ann Arbor.
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Is the Michigan game a singleton or the first of a 2-game series?
I'm interested because OU plays a 2-game series with Michigan starting with a game in Norman in 2025. I'd love to go to the 2026 game in Ann Arbor.
The Michigan game is a Home and Home but Mich wont play in Austin until 2027 due to SEC scheduling requirements
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Yup we play
2024: @Michiga
2025: @Ohio State
2026: Ohio State
2027: Michigan
SEC is such a cupcake conference we had to go to the B1G to get some quality opponents.
;)
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gotta be the first SEC team to play @Michiga & @Ohio State
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gotta be the first SEC team to play @Michiga & @Ohio State
We played Michigan in the 2005 Rose Bowl and had a Home and home wit Ohio St the following year I think
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weren't in the SEC back then
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Yup we play
2024: @Michiga
2025: @Ohio State
2026: Ohio State
2027: Michigan
SEC is such a cupcake conference we had to go to the B1G to get some quality opponents.
;)
You may regret saying that. ECFG are always listening.
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As I mentioned above, we're hosting Michigan in 2025 and returning the visit in 2026.
After that, we've got a bunch of holes in our OOC schedule, due to having to cancel scheduled games with Tennessee, Georgia, Bama, and LSU. After the Michigan series, we don't have P5 OOC opponents until Nebraska in 2029-2030, and then not again until Clemson in 2035-2016.
I'd like to see us schedule some old Big 8/Big 12 conference-mates. And some former Pac-12 schools probably have the same problem with holes in their OOC schedules as well. It would be good to get USC, U-Dub, or Oregon lined up for future series.
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You may regret saying that. ECFG are always listening.
They get my humor, we're simpatico. After the past 15 years of torturing me, they've had their laughs.
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For the volleyball team:
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gotta be the first SEC team to play @Michiga & @Ohio State
Nope, LSU has done a home and home with Ohio State. Never played Michigan though, even in a bowl.
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I get the feeling Michigan rarely plays an OOC game against a helmet team
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Their last few years of OOC have been a little cringey, but they don't shy away from helmets every year. They play ND fairly regularly.
They played Notre Dame in 2018/2019, 2013/2014/2012/2011/2010.
Florida's not quite a helmet but they played the Gators in a one-off in 2017.
They played a one-off against Alabama in 2012 (and ND that same year).
I only went back to 2010, I got bored.
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yup, Michigan used to play ND
that's about it
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As a rule, the B10 rarely plays a SEC team in the preseason.
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yup, always get's blamed on the SEC cause they don't travel north of the Mason/Dixon for anyone
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As a rule, the B10 rarely plays a SEC team in the preseason.
I'm delighted for Texas to NOT be a typical SEC team. :)
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as you should
hang on to that as long as possible
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As a rule, the B10 rarely plays a SEC team in the preseason.
That cuts both ways. Until recently, most of the SEC teams avoided playing OOC games against P5 teams. Or, if they did, they'd play a one-off game at a "neutral" site in SEC territory.
yup, always get's blamed on the SEC cause they don't travel north of the Mason/Dixon for anyone
As well it should!
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I'm delighted for Texas to NOT be a typical SEC team. :)
Well, I'm talking about games and conferences going back decades, all the way back to the 70's and maybe before. Even in the SWC, hardly anybody from the South played anybody from the B10. Very rare.
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Well, I'm talking about games and conferences going back decades, all the way back to the 70's and maybe before. Even in the SWC, hardly anybody from the South played anybody from the B10. Very rare.
That's true. In SWC days, Texas definitely tended to play more southern teams or western teams, rather than northern teams in our OOC.
We did play Penn State a few times in late 80s/early 90s, before they joined the B1G.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRsFnfdsjGo
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Be it known here on this 28th day of December in the Year of Our Lord 2023, that since utee94 has always claimed LSU's 2011 match against Oregon in Jerry-World was a home game for LSU, who benefitted from the major homefield advantage, it then follows that this game between Texas and Washington in the Dome is a home game for the Longhorns, with all the rights, privileges, and appurtenances pertaining thereto.
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Rumors that LSU wants to bring Bo Davis home when Texas' season is done. I wonder 1) if it's true, 2) would he come home, and 3) how much of the Longhorn's DL success was due to him and how much was that the tackles were just studs?
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Rumors that LSU wants to bring Bo Davis home when Texas' season is done. I wonder 1) if it's true, 2) would he come home, and 3) how much of the Longhorn's DL success was due to him and how much was that the tackles were just studs?
does he only have a one year contract? If he went it wouldnt be because of money cause UT could match anything if they want him to stay
There are a lot of very good DL coaches out there
makes me wonder if this is just a negotiation game for a raise
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I haven't heard that he's interested, only that LSU is. Which, if true, probably rules out a negotiation tactic on his part.
As for $, UT can certainly outbid us, but LSU is home for him and sometimes that matters. Depends on if Kelly really is interested, then we'll see if Davis is. He's got to be better than the makeshift DL coach we had this year, but that doesn't mean he's really on Kelly's radar. Any successful coach with ties to LSU is going to have rumors started about them when their counterpart at LSU sucks.
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Well shit.
Heck of a season anyhow.
Happy new year to all!
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Well shit.
Heck of a season anyhow.
Happy new year to all!
Happy New Year Back at ya
I think next year will be our year
anyway it will be interesting to see how Michigan does against Washington's passing attack
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I was most surprised the Texas defense couldn't get more pressure on Penix
I know the Husky O-line won an award, but thought the Horns D-line would get more push and disruption
I'm guessing the Horn D coaches were also surprised and didn't practice blitz packages coming into the game.
I'd have turned up the heat on Penix, that kid is too good.
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I don't feel like the real Texas Longhorns team showed up. I expected the pass defense to struggle with Penix and Washington's slew of receivers....those guys are incredible (they're nearly as good as our guys :-D ). I didn't expect the backs to turn the ball over twice, and I really didn't expect the Texas passing game to struggle so much to get going. If it would've been just me, I would've switched over to the all-22 coverage to see what was going on down the field, but that would've disrupted the wife's viewing enjoyment. Anyway, I don't know if UT's receivers weren't getting separation, and if not, why not, or if Ewers just wasn't finding them, or what. And if the latter, I'm not sure why he couldn't find them, and I'm not sure why it seemed he got a bazillion balls batted down at the line.
Most of all, the Longhorn swagger, present for so much of the season, was missing. They seemed like they were sleepwalking through all but the last couple of minutes. Just felt like Sark didn't have the team prepared, "up," and playing with urgency the way I've seen before.
Also felt like the refs had money on Washington. I don't mean that Texas' penalties were wrong, per se, but there were multiple fouls I thought were coming against Washington, and....they just didn't.
When a team plays its game and comes up short, that sucks, but it leaves me feeling like things went how they were supposed to. When it looks like a team came up short their best was never present, it feels hollow and wrong. Not a fitting end to their season, to me.
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I think next year will be our year
How many O and D linemen come back?
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I was most surprised the Texas defense couldn't get more pressure on Penix
Yup I was surprised too. And I only saw a few really bad non-called holding on their o-line, not dozens like in most games. Sweat went off the field hurt a couple of times, might have something to do with it.
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I don't feel like the real Texas Longhorns team showed up. I expected the pass defense to struggle with Penix and Washington's slew of receivers....those guys are incredible (they're nearly as good as our guys :-D ). I didn't expect the backs to turn the ball over twice, and I really didn't expect the Texas passing game to struggle so much to get going. If it would've been just me, I would've switched over to the all-22 coverage to see what was going on down the field, but that would've disrupted the wife's viewing enjoyment. Anyway, I don't know if UT's receivers weren't getting separation, and if not, why not, or if Ewers just wasn't finding them, or what. And if the latter, I'm not sure why he couldn't find them, and I'm not sure why it seemed he got a bazillion balls batted down at the line.
Most of all, the Longhorn swagger, present for so much of the season, was missing. They seemed like they were sleepwalking through all but the last couple of minutes. Just felt like Sark didn't have the team prepared, "up," and playing with urgency the way I've seen before.
Also felt like the refs had money on Washington. I don't mean that Texas' penalties were wrong, per se, but there were multiple fouls I thought were coming against Washington, and....they just didn't.
When a team plays its game and comes up short, that sucks, but it leaves me feeling like things went how they were supposed to. When it looks like a team came up short their best was never present, it feels hollow and wrong. Not a fitting end to their season, to me.
Yeah I felt like that too. That's the main reason I really have little to say about this game. As near as I can tell, it never really started. I felt similarly about the UT-Alabama NC game a few years back. We never got a chance to see Texas in that one either, although for a different reason.
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I don't feel like the real Texas Longhorns team showed up. I expected the pass defense to struggle with Penix and Washington's slew of receivers....those guys are incredible (they're nearly as good as our guys :-D ). I didn't expect the backs to turn the ball over twice, and I really didn't expect the Texas passing game to struggle so much to get going. If it would've been just me, I would've switched over to the all-22 coverage to see what was going on down the field, but that would've disrupted the wife's viewing enjoyment. Anyway, I don't know if UT's receivers weren't getting separation, and if not, why not, or if Ewers just wasn't finding them, or what. And if the latter, I'm not sure why he couldn't find them, and I'm not sure why it seemed he got a bazillion balls batted down at the line.
Most of all, the Longhorn swagger, present for so much of the season, was missing. They seemed like they were sleepwalking through all but the last couple of minutes. Just felt like Sark didn't have the team prepared, "up," and playing with urgency the way I've seen before.
Also felt like the refs had money on Washington. I don't mean that Texas' penalties were wrong, per se, but there were multiple fouls I thought were coming against Washington, and....they just didn't.
When a team plays its game and comes up short, that sucks, but it leaves me feeling like things went how they were supposed to. When it looks like a team came up short their best was never present, it feels hollow and wrong. Not a fitting end to their season, to me.
or wash is better than we gave them credit for. i thought tx would win too & it went down to the wire.
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I like to think I've given Washington a lot more credit than most. I poo-poo'd on the notion Oregon was going to win a rematch and should've won the first meeting. I also said they were going to shred the Longhorn secondary. They do continue to be a more physical team than my biases want me to think they are, so there's that.
But that's all separate from watching Texas all season vs. Texas last night. Undoubtedly Washington forced Texas into bad plays and made great plays of their own, but I'm just talking about straight up body language....all the visual cues and tell-tale signs of where a team's head is. The penalties UT was drawing, their observable sense of urgency and energy.....none of it seemed right and it all reeked of a team whose head wasn't in the right place. I had to wonder if Sark wanted to guard against getting too amped up, fearing that would cause jitters and bad execution, and so he over-corrected and got the team too calm.
I don't mean the tired old "they weren't up for it" or "they didn't want to be there." Obviously that's false in a playoff game. But mental headspace management is a real thing, and coaches do have some control over it. Ewers has always had a "I just smoked a joint and even though the house is on fire, I'm just chillin', why u so excited bro?" vibe to him, which has sometimes been to his detriment, I think. It felt like the entire team adopted his attitude last night.
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The long layoff sometimes helps, and sometimes hurts.
I think the game might have gone differently if Texas had played a week after demolishing OkState in the B12 CCG which was a week after demolishing Tech in Austin. That Texas team was spitting blood and breathing fire. Last night's Texas team showed very little life until the final few minutes of the game. I actually fell asleep for a few minutes in the 3rd quarter and, unfortunately, so did the football team.
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it might go differently if it's played again today, it was a great game betw two of the nationally elite this yr.
the reasons being posited itt do nothing but detract from washington. maybe if michigan rips them i'll feel different a la tcu last yr.
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Washington's offense did exactly what was expected, but Ewers had his worst statistical game of the year against one of the worst pass defenses in the country.
That indicates more to me about Longhorn failure rather than Washington success. Others can certainly have a differing opinion.
Regardless, it is what it is.
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maybe? they also got pretty lucky on a td pass in the 1h.
frankly idk but i defer to giving them credit for the moment.
i have sort of been meh about them as far as being elite's concerned all yr but at some point the results have to matter.
i can tell you right now if michigan shreds them i'll flip flop again.
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I don't think Michigan's going to "shred" them. Both teams are good. ALL of the CFP teams were good and I think any of them could have beaten any of the others. The two close games yesterday plus the fact that Texas already HAS beaten one of the four, supports that.
Should be a close game. I likely won't watch it, I haven't watched any of the CFP finals when they're on a weeknight after the holidays.
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The Texas ground game could have carried the day but for constant false starts from veteran OL making the job 50% harder. The turnovers directly added points to the task as well.
That said, Penix wins that game by himself. When Texas brought pressure, he stepped over and threw quickly. When they didn't, he waited and picked his target. Either way, the balls were arriving through inch perfect windows. The rules of the game prohibit a defense from stopping that.
Texas played a good but not great game. While I think the refs were quick with the holding calls on Texas but not so much with UW, I'm not sure it would have changed much. Penix could just as easily completed 15 yard routes rather than the 7 yard ones.
Of course, if Ewers fires that last pass on a line, rather than float the fade, we're giddy over a last second heroic win. Texas took giant strides this season as a solid team with few flaws. They ended the season playing in the final four with other teams with few flaws.
We now stare into the Long Dark Teatime of the Offseason.
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maybe? they also got pretty lucky on a td pass in the 1h.
frankly idk but i defer to giving them credit for the moment.
i have sort of been meh about them as far as being elite's concerned all yr but at some point the results have to matter.
i can tell you right now if michigan shreds them i'll flip flop again.
I think Washington absolutely deserves a ton of credit for their year. Wouldn't want to be misconstrued as suggesting otherwise.
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also deserve a ton of credit for their game vs the Horns
I did notice the Horns had about as many penalties as their season average
maybe it wasn't the Big 12 refs?
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I actually fell asleep for a few minutes in the 3rd quarter and, unfortunately, so did the football team.
obviously, the 3rd quarter was the difference...
Penix hit every pass and the Horns couldn't score a point
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also deserve a ton of credit for their game vs the Horns
I did notice the Horns had about as many penalties as their season average
maybe it wasn't the Big 12 refs?
It was much worse than that, it was B1G refs determining the outcome of a game featuring a future B1G team versus a future SEC team.
Horns had 10 penalties for 66 yards. Season average is 6.6 penalties for 52 yards.
Washington had 5 penalties for 39 yards. Washington's season average is just one spot away from dead-last in all of D1-A at 7.6 penalties for a whopping 71 ypg.
And even worse, Texas was assessed 7 penalties before the first that was called against Washington.
Why on earth did a "neutral site" game with a B1G team, have B1G refs?
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Now I've got to check penalties for the rose bowl
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Apparently, if the dudes on surlyhorns are to be believed, the key to beating Texas is to have a southpaw QB. Texas' only two losses came to lefties, and all of the wins were against righties.
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Anyway you slice it a great season so congrats. Has it dawned on you that Texas win the last SWC and now the final season they played in the Big 12?
Looking forward to watching the ‘horns in SEC play, should be a lot of great games.
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Anyway you slice it a great season so congrats. Has it dawned on you that Texas win the last SWC and now the final season they played in the Big 12?
Looking forward to watching the ‘horns in SEC play, should be a lot of great games.
Thanks Gigem. It was indeed a great year for Texas and anything beyond the B12 championship was just icing.
Horns won the last SWC championship, the first B12 championship, and now the last B12 championship where they were a member. A fitting set of bookends, I'd say.
And if the trend continues, I suppose it implies the Horns will win their first SEC championship in their first year as well. Heh, I guess we'll see about that...
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good luck
hopefully the SEC refs are square
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They did just fine when Texas played in Tuscaloosa.
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good luck
hopefully the SEC refs are square
:D
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throughout the ala/mich game i thought mich looked like the better team but it was obv close.
at the time watching tx/uw i thought they were pretty even but after that thrashing last night now i'm questioning that & wondering if tx didn't play poorly as supposed previously itt - they've shown their chops this yr. uw also had other shaky performances throughout the season in spite of their undefeated record so....
regardless seems clear mich was the best team this yr.
hopefully gatorama & my old friend jim litsch is smiling (go bluer who passed on many yrs ago) rn.
1. mich
2. ala
3. tx
4. uw
5. ga
6. fla st
7. ore
8. mizzou
9. om
10. ohst
****
early top 10 for ny,
1. ala
2. ga
3. tx
4. ohst
5. mizzou
6. tenner
7. mich
8. om
9. ore
10. aTm
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Last week, Michael Penix played like a god. The Texas secondary isn't exactly a strength, but he was hitting even covered receivers through inch-perfect windows. His receivers had sticky fingers and snagged everything.
Last night, he played like a cupcake QB from a directional school. Flat out air-mailing passes to wide open guys (Michigan didn't exactly blanket the secondary either) and forcing bad balls. UW has talent, but it all runs through their QB. As magical as he was in stealing last week's game, he was equally lousy in bricking last night's effort.
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he looked rattled. that pressure affected him. which, it was real but even so it affected him more than it necessarily needed to imo.
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Last week, Michael Penix played like a god. The Texas secondary isn't exactly a strength, but he was hitting even covered receivers through inch-perfect windows. His receivers had sticky fingers and snagged everything.
Last night, he played like a cupcake QB from a directional school. Flat out air-mailing passes to wide open guys (Michigan didn't exactly blanket the secondary either) and forcing bad balls. UW has talent, but it all runs through their QB. As magical as he was in stealing last week's game, he was equally lousy in bricking last night's effort.
I wouldn't say, "cupcake QB from a directional school" but there was a BIG difference from last week.
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AP Poll
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spammer
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yer just jealous
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I'm jealous!
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We got Bo Davis after all.
Hope he likes carpentry, because he's got a major rebuild on his hands. The interior DL is kinda low on numbers and there's no talent left on it. Even if he's a great coach, I don't think this can be fixed overnight.
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He's an awesome recruiter, if anyone can rebuild a DL quickly, it's him. I'm sorry to see him go but congrats on the pick-up.
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https://twitter.com/SouthAlabamaFB/status/1747988678037651470
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He kinda had a meteroic rise, then fell off the map. WTH happened?
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He kinda had a meteroic rise, then fell off the map. WTH happened?
At one point, there was an inappropriate relationship. I don't think that really affected his job prospect much, though.
Really, the teams he was in charge of didn't do very well.
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Really, the teams he was in charge of didn't do very well.
Yup. Whether his fault or not, the teams he's been involved coaching, just haven't performed all that well. He'll always be one of my favorite Texas QBs and I certainly wish him well.
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2025 SEC football schedules are out. Same as 2024 schedules but with home/away reversed.
They're sticking with the 8-game conference schedule which is disappointing but not surprising. The SEC isn't going to give 9 conference games to ESPN without making them pay extra for it.