https://www.yahoo.com/news/anonymous-vegas-gambler-fitting-nickname-152457980.htmlSomebody mentioned it's probably Chris Ash
The duffel bag boy, laying huge action against Rutger most weeks.
Ya know, I feel for all of you that have to run kids around today. I remember doing all of that (not soccer, thankfully), but I also remember that the coaches and the league honchos used to have a lot more respect for parents' time back then.We actually had a lot of soccer games on Sundays growing up, but that was a product of Ann Arbor. So many people had UM tickets, or wanted to watch them, and on home Saturdays the city is nearly untraversable. So they planned around UM football, which I actually liked. I think I've already had more conflicts with MSU games in just a couple years than my dad had with UM games in his life.
Shit, I see practices going on in the fields around here on f'ing Sunday. That used to be sacred - nothing on Sunday.
Now, it seems like you all are running every weekend. Week night games/practices used to be the thing, with very few weekends. Football games were almost always on Friday, of course.
Does anyone know what’s wrong with Gary? Two weeks ago he said he was fine. Really confused by this injury.Might wanna check with MDoT,A.C. or MGO Board.Last I read he's playing but haven't checked anything today
Does anyone know what’s wrong with Gary? Two weeks ago he said he was fine. Really confused by this injury.Either an AC injury or torn labrum. The pain is worse than the damage for his career trajectory. But I think has become just too much. But the poor guy, in his mind, probably can't imagine taking the year off of games and practice like it would take to completely heal.
Can’t wait for Michigan @ MSU in about three hours. So glad it’s a noon kickoff.Looking at the time of arrival for rain, whichever team scores in the first 10 minutes of game time has a discrete advantage.
Ugh, lightning delayI'm wondering whether we'll come back during the derecho (but after the lightning) or if we'll 100% wait until the end of the derecho. I kind of prefer the latter.
game postponed due to lightning. great.It didn't have to be that. The game could have just been postponed by 5 hours. It's not an all-day storm.
If you KNOW beforehand there is going to be weather events- why not- I don't know- try and play the game at Ford Field?
Both of these schools should have contracts with Ford Field to move the game there if there is a weather event. They know a couple days ahead of time if there is going to be bad weather.
game postponed due to lightning. great.They are never going to do that. This is just Midwest football.
If you KNOW beforehand there is going to be weather events- why not- I don't know- try and play the game at Ford Field?
Both of these schools should have contracts with Ford Field to move the game there if there is a weather event. They know a couple days ahead of time if there is going to be bad weather.
They are never going to do that. This is just Midwest football.they should do that.
That snow in Madison - wow. And I’m just getting out of summer mode given it was a very muggy 85F this past Monday where I was on the job in Florence SC.My favorite kind of game to go to. That weather mixes with the spotlights to make Michigan Stadium the biggest snow globe on earth. It's amazing.
My favorite kind of game to go to. That weather mixes with the spotlights to make Michigan Stadium the biggest snow globe on earth. It's amazing.Pretty ridiculous that UM/MSU gets delayed because of weather and cuts away to the Wisconsin game where the weather is visibly more severe.
temp has dropped 15 degrees, could be snow and hail, and definitely will be wind, and game won't start again til almost 2 o'clock.I'm with you.
This was stupid. Why not just delay the start of the game til 2?
Pretty ridiculous that UM/MSU gets delayed because of weather and cuts away to the Wisconsin game where the weather is visibly more severe.I'm entertaining (not concluding) the possibility that it's a little home field cooking by staff recommendation. The idea that if MSU staff are involved in the decision, they'd have an easier hair trigger to pause a Michigan drive before it gets sloppy than a MSU drive. For the record, I'm admitting I can't confirm it and am supporting the slyness if it is true. Gamesmanship. I respect good gamesmanship.
Pretty ridiculous that UM/MSU gets delayed because of weather and cuts away to the Wisconsin game where the weather is visibly more severe.Lightning vs. snow. Rain alone doesn't stop it
Wait, Rutgers is beating Northwestern 12-7 at the half?I just saw that.
Wow, Iowa WR with a hell of a TD nab with 8 seconds left in the half.That was spectacular. A one armed catch because that’s all you had available for use lol.
If Michigan can consistently get play like from Josh Uche in that sack where he got under and around a player like Chewins, the defense's odds of stopping drives is on the good end.Paye and Uche have both played so well, when Gary comes back, I'd move Gary inside.
My power went out what happened how did M get down inside the 10?Shea threw a pass that should have been intercepted. But Collins made a nice play to catch the deflection.
No cooking posts yet?Good old fashioned spaghetti and meatballs on the docket for tonight.
I'm in Denver for the weekend, so no cooking but there'll be a lot of beer drinking and eating. I love this city.
I just saw that.NU does that alot play big one week lay an egg the next(but Rutgers?).Like being a Cleveland fan,Marcel suffered thru it
How is this even possible?
NU does that alot play big one week lay an egg the next(but Rutgers?).Like being a Cleveland fan,Marcel suffered thru itI miss Marcel.
Shea threw a pass that should have been intercepted. But Collins made a nice play to catch the deflection.intercepted? if anything it should've been incomplete. not sure how anyone can say it should've been intercepted. bounced off the hands of a Michigan WR and was about to hit the ground before Nico Collins came out of nowhere and make a fluke catch.
Shea threw a pass that should have been intercepted. But Collins made a nice play to catch the deflection.Thanx
Good old fashioned spaghetti and meatballs on the docket for tonight.TD - M,picked up this 2ft deli sub from one of the grocers cut it up in 2" slices,cut up raw tomato - not too bad
Layne should have tackled Collins before he even had a chance to make a play though. All's fair after that deflectionsure. but I don't get how he can say it should've been intercepted. it bounced off I believe Tarik Black's hands and Collins made a freak play off a tip.
intercepted? if anything it should've been incomplete. not sure how anyone can say it should've been intercepted. bounced off the hands of a Michigan WR and was about to hit the ground before Nico Collins came out of nowhere and make a fluke catch.The play I referred to was a 3rd down conversion.
Let's not talk about the dime that Shea threw more than 30 yards in the air for a 26 yard gain to Nick Eubanks. That is really how they got into the 10.
If they called holding every time Winovich asked for it, football would cease because it exists on every play.not sure I've seen a player get held more than he does. testament to just how unblockable he is on the pass rush.
As for the Badgers, they've left at least 6 points on the field and Hornibrook just gave Illinois a field goal before the half with a stupid pick.Yes, that interception was bad. Who is next in line?
I'm ready for a change. He just hasn't had it since the last drive of the Iowa game. If this was a game against a good team, they'd be losing. It's time, coach. Just give one of the other kids a shot or two, before I start drinking shots.
not sure I've seen a player get held more than he does. testament to just how unblockable he is on the pass rush.Nothing worse than what didn't get called on Raekwon Williams on the TD pass. Like I said, if they called that holding, literally every play would be a flag.
Yes, that interception was bad. Who is next in line?Technically Jack Coan is the number 2, but he has not taken any snaps this year. Danny Vanden Boom has taken snaps in mop-up. I think they are trying to 'shirt Coan. I say burn it.
If they called holding every time Winovich asked for it, football would cease because it exists on every play.Winovich has turned on the afterburners today.
Winovich has turned on the afterburners today.Today? I think he turned them on last week and hasn't turned them off.
It's like I'm watching the UM-ND game again. UM refuses to stick with what works because they feel like getting creative for no reason.Harbaugh and Pep can’t help themselves.
Today? I think he turned them on last week and hasn't turned them off.Winovich is doing his part in the PsyOps dept too, talking trash to Lewarke anytime he gets near him. Lewarke is playing awful so far. 2/9 23yds passing.
I hate Dave Warner so much. Dantonio's loyalty to him has been his downfall.He’s definitely not great.
I’ve been saying it for weeks, Patterson is afraid to throw when a receiver has anyone near him.Looks like it’s been drilled into him. He’s afraid of turning it over. Can’t play scared.
They have to get Lewerke out of the pocket, this clearly isn't working.They do it once, works, go away from it again.
I had to leave a sleepover once because the host and his sister got into a fight and got grounded to their rooms. And I still regret that less than than Harbaugh's sleepover with Nordin.Kid is all leg and zero accuracy.
Looks like it’s been drilled into him. He’s afraid of turning it over. Can’t play scared.It’s just dumb. You’re right, kid has an arm. He’s either scared to use it or coaching is in his head.
Just run the ball, and force them to use their last timeout.Or throw an incomplete pass into triple coverage and stop the clock
Or throw an incomplete pass into triple coverage and stop the clockYa don't know what he was thinking there if anything at all
where is the goal line fade?Gus Johnson just mentioned using the height on the WR's
Nico Collins is 6'4. Tarik Black is back and he's 6'3. Zach Gentry is 6'7+. DPJ is 6'2 with a 45" vertical. Why do they refuse to throw jump balls in the back of the end zone to one of these guys? Seriously.
It’s just dumb. You’re right, kid has an arm. He’s either scared to use it or coaching is in his head.really think it’s Harbaugh and Pep drilling it into him.
Kids finished 3rd place. Ran into buzzsaw server in semis. I noticed a Michigan fan Dad who totally stopped watching match, stuck on his phone. He missed his daughter make some great plays. That's such a bad look when it's so obvious.If that kept a mouthy parent from yelling, I'd take it every time.
Wind is gonna be trouble tonight in Wlaf unless it dies as the sun sets .
Kids finished 3rd place. Ran into buzzsaw server in semis. I noticed a Michigan fan Dad who totally stopped watching match, stuck on his phone. He missed his daughter make some great plays. That's such a bad look when it's so obvious.My son's team won 6-2, he scored a hat trick. We had someone coming to the house to spray, and my wife forgot she had something for our other kid, and I was closer. So if he texted her, she was going to let me know so I could run home. I literally looked at my phone for 2 seconds when it buzzed to see if it was her, and got dad shamed, because he THOUGHT I missed my son's goal. I would never think to bring it up to someone, even if they were looking at their phone the home game. But when someone looks at it one time, good lord.
Wind is gonna be trouble tonight in Wlaf unless it dies as the sun sets .
My son's team won 6-2, he scored a hat trick. We had someone coming to the house to spray, and my wife forgot she had something for our other kid, and I was closer. So if he texted her, she was going to let me know so I could run home. I literally looked at my phone for 2 seconds when it buzzed to see if it was her, and got dad shamed, because he THOUGHT I missed my son's goal. I would never think to bring it up to someone, even if they were looking at their phone the home game. But when someone looks at it one time, good lord.Like Lewerke looking off his receivers
Absolutely pathetic that the only way Sparty can get points is turnovers and trick plays.Absolutely pathetic that the Sheavior gets the ball at midfield every single time after a bunch of crappy punts from a backup punter and can't do anything with it.
Absolute garbage roster that pulls rabbits out of their asses continually. It’s flat out amazing.
Jesus Christ. How does Evans put that on the turf?Michigan’s offense staff should all be fired. The play calling makes me ill.
Literally only way Sparty was gonna get any points was like this.
Jesus F’ing Christ.
Absolutely pathetic that the Sheavior gets the ball at midfield every single time and can't do anything with it.Ha.. Sheavior.. that’s funny. Not all of us think he walks on water.
Absolutely pathetic that the Sheavior gets the ball at midfield every single time after a bunch of crappy punts from a backup punter and can't do anything with it.He’s not the one calling the plays and he’s out playing Lewerke.
Do not give Patterson that break, that's a pick!Payback for the pick of Lewerke that Long dropped.
I have been disappointed with him, and this is also probably true. Tough defenses.Sadly I have to agree.
https://twitter.com/mgoblog/status/1053721277242974208
Tyler Hunt just saves this game for Sparty. Holy shit what an amazing play by a punter.Yeah that was miserably good.
Tyler Hunt just saves this game for Sparty. Holy shit what an amazing play by a punter.He's been awful. As you'd assume a walk on backup punter would be. That one worked out, but he largely has hit 30 yard line drive punts, giving UM great field possession all game.
Isn't MSU as an institution supposed to be good at making good grass - like, in terms of identity?It's phenominal. You can only do so much after a driving thunderstorm. The issue is the schools that have bad grass on sunny days.
Patterson is shook.Or he sucks
He's been awful. As you'd assume a walk on backup punter would be. That one worked out, but he largely has hit 30 yard line drive punts, giving UM great field possession all game.Ya but that was an amazing play. If he doesn’t make that incredible catch off a bad snap that’s a baaaaaad turnover or maybe even a score.
Good lord, Brandon Sowards can't do anything. We had almost moved on from you, and Davis' injury puts him right back in there.Have you seen Michigan’s offenses?
Literally MSU has to play for OT. They have two healthy scholarship WRs, our slot guy, and our #5 WR. We simply have no chance of ever putting together a drive.
Or he sucksMario, they all suck. In my studies of this great sport, 88 percent of quarterbacks and 96 percent of play callers suck.
Good lord, Brandon Sowards can't do anything. We had almost moved on from you, and Davis' injury puts him right back in there.In a one-score game, even the team that can't be *trusted* to put together a drive can win.
Literally MSU has to play for OT. They have two healthy scholarship WRs, our slot guy, and our #5 WR. We simply have no chance of ever putting together a drive.
Go figure. You throw down field and look what happens.You gotta admit: Well placed, right?
Donovan Peoples Jones is a STUD.Not bad for the worst offense you've ever seen
Go figure. You throw down field and look what happens.DPJ should be dominant. Every game. He’s not.
You gotta admit: Well placed, right?Of course. I don’t have a problem with his physical tools. I have a problem with his mental ones.
Donovan Peoples Jones is a STUD.Plus that was a great throw.
Lewerke really starting to shit the bedStarting? He’s played like this the entire game.
Donovan Peoples Jones is a STUD.
Starting? He’s played like this the entire game.Earlier there was some good coverage he's missed open guys 3 of his last 4 throws
2nd garbage deflection ball UM has caught.It's so comforting about the chaos of the universe having limit to see reversion to the mean here. Michigan has been very lucky today. I haven't felt like that in this game in, could be wrong, a decade?
At least M's offense gives their D a breather.lewerke can't seem to move the chains once,I realise guys are out but guys have been open alsoHe's having a harder time this year than last. Not the same player. Plenty of time to turn it around. Hope Michigan doesn't let him.
MSU needed the bounces to go their way to have a prayer, and instead they've literally gone in UM's favor.Um David Long dropped and INT and M fumbled it twice and Sparty recovered both times. Nordin also ducked a gimme fg. One of the fumbles btw was right in the shadow of their own end zone and was literally the only way Sparty was going to score bc their offense has been stuck in neutral.
If Shea would EVER hold it on those read options and take off he’d have some BIIIIIG gains. It’s like he’s afraid to.He heard you
MSU has had poor QB play under Dantonio, and losing your 2 top, and 3 of your top 4 WRs doesn't help, bit I can't recall QB regression like I've seen from Lewerke.He’s definitely gone backwards. I definitely didn’t expect that at all. I thought he was on the path to being one of the best QBs in CFB.
Good callNah. Bs.
Nah. Bs.You have the BS right late and at the knees
You have the BS right late and at the kneesYes, pretty easy call, just like the catch in bounds.
Not a catch.I'd like to see that again,it was close
His entire body was out of bounds.
Michigan held MSU to 94 (total) yards.I agree. They looked championship ready to me, and on the road. This is a really good team.
And the offense showed up (for 395 yards) against a great defense and Top 25 team on the road. This was an important day in the Harbaugh era.
Can the m Higdon haters finally admit being wrong?Lol. Your probably on the wrong board. Haven’t heard any Higdon haters here, unless I just missed it.
PJ Fleck is an outright, complete, undisputed fraud.https://247sports.com/Article/minnesota-football-pj-fleck-121847096/ (https://247sports.com/Article/minnesota-football-pj-fleck-121847096/)
Change my opinion.
Lol. Your probably on the wrong board. Haven’t heard any Higdon haters here, unless I just missed it.You’re kidding right? I’ve read is Patterson praise and knocking Higdon from a few Michigan faithful
That was complete domination.Why are so many UM fans worried about “ the narrative” or shiny objects- stats?
Game wasn’t nearly as close as score indicated. 14 point win but it felt like a 30 point win. Would’ve been had they not coughed it up right there in the shadow of their own end zone, Notdin hadn’t been so awful, and had they actually done anything with the great field position.
You’re kidding right? I’ve read is Patterson praise and knocking Higdon from a few Michigan faithfulYes, I have heard the Patterson part but not the Higdon. But I probably don’t pay as close attention as you. Regardless, kid is a baller. Tough as nails too.
Can the m Higdon haters finally admit being wrong?never hated on him. just called it how I saw it. he's not an elite RB. Just a really good one. I don't think that's hate.
That was complete domination.Well ya but a depleted receiving core and a QB who couldn't hook up to the walk ons.Not sure what Scott's deal is but a win is a win.Might have been the thinnest MSU line up since MD has been there.But M got the monkey off their back.For 3Qtrs and 5 min of the 4th it was a fun/close game to watch
Game wasn’t nearly as close as score indicated. 14 point win but it felt like a 30 point win. Would’ve been had they not coughed it up right there in the shadow of their own end zone, Notdin hadn’t been so awful, and had they actually done anything with the great field position.
That's really too bad about Davis.Yup he was really coming on and I believe he's a senior.Hopefully with rehab he can get drafted - and play on sundays
You’re kidding right? I’ve read is Patterson praise and knocking Higdon from a few Michigan faithfulHa. True. But MDot loves and hates every player.
I can't believe that Nebraska's winning.Getting closer
Ha. True. But MDot loves and hates every player.I never hated on Higdon. And I still feel the same way about him. He's pretty good. Not elite.
Getting closerAnd closer
Gophers have to go for it on this 4th down. Field goal does them no goodI dunno the way the teams were playing I think a field goal would have been fine
I never hated on Higdon. And I still feel the same way about him. He's pretty good. Not elite.Lol. That is a very Mdot response.
Zach Chabornnet? Now THAT looks like an elite back.
PJ has to have a heart-to-heart talk with his defensive staff this week. 664 yards today, and 42 carries for 366 on the ground. Rob Smith may be a good MAC defensive coordinator, but this ain't the MAC anymore.He came from the SEC (where he had one awesome defense and things went downhill), and was in the NFL before that. He has interestingly never coached at a Mid-major, going fro FCS to Big East to NFL to SEC to B1G.
Mario, they all suck. In my studies of this great sport, 88 percent of quarterbacks and 96 percent of play callers suck.I'll take Patterson. Please. A QB who can move would make the UW offense look much better.
Just the nature of the beast.
PJ has to have a heart-to-heart talk with his defensive staff this week. 664 yards today, and 42 carries for 366 on the ground. Rob Smith may be a good MAC defensive coordinator, but this ain't the MAC anymore.PJ needs to go back to the MAC where his bullshit sticks.
I'll take Patterson. Please. A QB who can move would make the UW offense look much better.Ehh, I think if UW had him, there would be a lot of angst.
Ehh, I think if UW had him, there would be a lot of angst.Well, that's coming when Mr. Mertz shows up next year. Is he coming early?
Granted, UW is on year 7 in a row of deep QB angst, so what you gonna do? (The answer is not get a top-5 national recruit at QB)
The fumble rules are all over the place and I can't keep track of themApparently neither can the refs
The fumble rules are all over the place and I can't keep track of themYah, I would like to know what happen as well?
Anyone See Purdue Getting into Bucks faces before game?They're evidently still doing it
Posted this here once already, but it showed up in the basketball thread?Two of my posts ended up there and I'm like WTF I haven't even had a beer
Well, that's coming when Mr. Mertz shows up next year. Is he coming early?I said top-5 recruit, not top-5 QB. I hope the kid is that good. Or Coen is that good/stays. Regardless, they’ll have to ball out or Hornibrook will have to bomb hard to see a real change.
That was a weak "push" call. The wind would get a penalty on thatWow that’s awful.
That was a weak "push" call. The wind would get a penalty on thatTalking about here at home:
Wow that’s awful.The call? Or my comment?
WTFCorrect. Bullshit.
That was NOT PI
OSU has given up running the ballAnd it makes me sick.
Meatballs were fantastic. Nothing like a good blend of pork and veal. Cheated on the sauce though. No time to make sauce AND meatballs. I used Rao's. Really good stuff. Pasta was really nice too. An egg fettuccini.I use pork, beef, and veal.
I use pork, beef, and veal.Serious eats recs dropping the veal and using gelatin
Rao's is probably the best jar stuff you can buy at the grocery store, but I always usually make my own sauce. I generally don't like the jar stuff, but Rao's is pretty good.
Not a big fan of egg pasta. I like the hard dry stuff. De Cecco is my favorite.
Serious eats recs dropping the veal and using gelatinNever.
Ryan Day had this team playing much better than Urban has.Don't know about that.
Never.The idea is that veal doesn't taste like much so what is the point?
I use pork, beef, and veal.Didn't have any beef left in the freezer. Moving and stuff. I do normally use a third of each. Just no damn time to make sauce lately, and I had the Rao's in my cupboard. Gotta empty that too. Done. Love De Cecco too. I had what I had. It was still good.
Rao's is probably the best jar stuff you can buy at the grocery store, but I always usually make my own sauce. I generally don't like the jar stuff, but Rao's is pretty good.
Not a big fan of egg pasta. I like the hard dry stuff. De Cecco is my favorite.
Meatballs were fantastic. Nothing like a good blend of pork and veal. Cheated on the sauce though. No time to make sauce AND meatballs. I used Rao's. Really good stuff. Pasta was really nice too. An egg fettuccini.I’ve been jones-ing for a meatball sub the last two days. But ate dinner with what I had at home because it was a spend-y week (and some responsibilities jumped me). Damn.
The idea is that veal doesn't taste like much so what is the point?Depends what kind of veal you use. I like to grind my own from a fatty cut.
Never.Correct.
Depends what kind of veal you use. I like to grind my own from a fatty cut.That doesn't change the issue - veal is tender, not flavorful. So why use it?
Still want to know WTF "Boiler UP" means.when the fireman got the fire in the coal box hot enough for the engine to run, he would exclaim "Boiler's up!"
Still want to know WTF "Boiler UP" means.When Joe Tiller coached Wyoming the phrase was "Cowboy Up".
First time we beat Blackmon All night.Beat Blackmon again. Guess we need to stay ot of the Red Zone to score.
I watched Purdue suffer those 3 early losses. They were angry not despondent. You can see this team is game for anybody. The buckeyes D never game em a chance .this is not an Ohio State team that I'm used to seeing. They are having trouble running the ball and their defense is suspect.
I honestly can't believe what I am seeing.Not all that surprising. One dimensional. If you get stuck inside the 10 and can’t run, a good team will hold you to field goals.
Ohio State's defense has been pretty dreadful for a couple weeks now but I never saw this coming.
Should be back to watch OSU give up 50 to Purdue, though.Whoa...
Whoa...Hey they slightly outperformed my expectations
Whoa...I was going to bring that up too. Eerily accurate.
:wee_hee:Congrats, Purdue played lights out.
this is not an Ohio State team that I'm used to seeing.Honestly they played much better those games under Ryan Day.Congrats to Brohm and the Boilers,had a plan and stuck it to tOSU.I felt that right before the half when it was 7-3 OSU should have went for the TD there but then missed the FG,Boilers took the ball with under 2 minutes and marched all the way down and scored.That to me was the dagger right there - on the verge of going ahead and getting out of the funk and have the tables turned.Color me not impressed at all with Meyer the last 2 seasons.This definitely helps Brohms/Boilers trajectory.While the skids that Urban's greased in July appear to be rearing up.Looks like they had a grand time in W.Lafayette - good for them
Do you think Urban Meyer will report last night's domestic battery? :sign0151:You'll get yours next year - well played & congrats
If you get stuck inside the 10 and can’t run, a good team will hold you to field goals.Ya that wasn't good the 2 roughing calls.But even if thats taken away they were so blase & uninspired.O-Line cleary misses Price,Jones in the Sunday league there was a3rd that left to.Brohm out coached/motivated Urbz - no doubt about it
The defense kind of gave up late, but actually played pretty well early. The two key drives they stopped, but then gave the ball back with roughing the kicker and roughing the passer turned into touchdowns for Purdue both times.
Still want to know WTF "Boiler UP" means.
When Joe Tiller coached Wyoming the phrase was "Cowboy Up".Then of course you have the Buckeyes throwing up
When Tiller was at Purdue his wife morphed the phrase into "Boiler Up".
It stuck
The idea is that veal doesn't taste like much so what is the point?I agree I'm not the foodie/chef that many on here are.But even when some accomplished cook friends of mine have made it,it's always what is added or served with it that makes it good
The young man they featured knew his game, didn't he? Wishing for the best for him.Hope the game does to his illness what Purdue did to the Bucks.Best of Luck Kid
The young man they featured knew his game, didn't he? Wishing for the best for him.Mrs. 847 shed a few tears watching him. I was pretty close too. Cancer sucks. F you, cancer.
Hope the game does to his illness what Purdue did to the Bucks.Best of Luck KidHis particular case is sadly terminal, but that did really up the significance of him catching a blowout like this by the team he clearly loves in person. That's really special. And of course, fuck cancer.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anonymous-vegas-gambler-fitting-nickname-152457980.htmlMust’ve taken it on the chin yesterday then.
The duffel bag boy, laying huge action against Rutger most weeks.
Speaking of LSU...It's funny how a coach/asst. can be revered at one place and found revolting at another
Do you think they miss Matt Canada?
115 yards of total offense and your best running back doesn't touch the ball until almost the end of the third quarter.
Genius.
His offense doesn't throw anyone off but the people who run it.
You'll get yours next year - well played & congratsThanks Nubbz. Purdue is now 5-3 at home against tOSU since 2000. I was at that 2000 game for the "Holy Toledo" that started this lovely trend.
Thanks Nubbz. Purdue is now 5-3 at home against tOSU since 2000. I was at that 2000 game for the "Holy Toledo" that started this lovely trend.You a Pennsltucky Purdue Fan?in 2000 didn't Brees drive the field late in the game?I know 2002 was the Holy Buckeye Krenzel to Jenkins on 4th and one.They didn't need to do that because they had Nugent(FG Kicker) and there was still I think a little more than 2 minutes - can't believe i didn't have a massive.Defensive game for sure.tOSU had no answers yesterday specially inside the 10.Good luck the rest of the season.Hopefully Brohm sticks around for your program
Unfortunately for yinz, the Boilers and Bucks dont play the next 2 years. You will have to wait until the 2021 season to get your vengeance at the Shoe.
I have wondered if there are ANY poll voters who put much thought and time in their ranking. The writers are busy, the coaches have some graduate assistant do it, the results are trite.The Committee technically. The secret is always been these are mostly silly frivolities that are taken seriously because when we rank things it makes our brains go haywire.
And they don't matter.
It's funny how a coach/asst. can be revered at one place and found revolting at anotherIt’s always a case of my problems are a big deal because they are my problems. Unless things are going really well (Haskins last week), we tend to nitpick and focus on things that are what they are. I wrote somewhere earlier that every play callers are bad and most quarterbacks are bad in the eyes of their own fans. MCW is particularly prone to being mad, and here we are.
So I watched a 20-minute highlight of Michigan-MSU. It showed every punt and many of the third downs, so obviously paints a certain picture.A team that is well-roundedly good?
But coming out of it I have to ask, why am I that impressed by Michigan again? Like that defense is super good, but it also just murdered two offenses. whose top end quality I’m not particularly convinced of. The offense looked OK, occasionally good. But I didn’t come away saying that’s anything but the best team in the conference by default.
Obviously Ohio State has the uglyer loss, but it’s under performing pieces seem talented enough to bounce back. Michigan seems like a team that played your standard Michigan State big game, but just held its own on the margins where the Spartans usually make things weird.( this is even the case with my favorite statistical system having them at number four)
A team that is well-roundedly good?I’ll have to wait until the new advanced numbers come out to get a good sense of the offense. I might well find myself walking it back.
True they are not perfect. Not a national champion. But do they have the ability to hit 11-1? Yeah. And though far from guaranteed, looking around it's even realistic.
Best defense in the conference by a margin you can really feel during the games. And an offense that is better than average at everything except 3rd & long and just ran for 4.3 YPC (sack adjusted) across 50 carries on the so-called #1 run defense in the country.
MCW is particularly prone to being mad, and here we are.What?
You a Pennsltucky Purdue Fan?in 2000 didn't Brees drive the field late in the game?I know 2002 was the Holy Buckeye Krenzel to Jenkins on 4th and one.They didn't need to do that because they had Nugent(FG Kicker) and there was still I think a little more than 2 minutes - can't believe i didn't have a massive.Defensive game for sure.tOSU had no answers yesterday specially inside the 10.Good luck the rest of the season.Hopefully Brohm sticks around for your programWestern Pennsylvania yinzer here. Pittsburgh.
I’ll have to wait until the new advanced numbers come out to get a good sense of the offense. I might well find myself walking it back.I think that’s a pretty fair take. I’m not blown away by the offense either. Patterson’s refusal to throw down field is painful as a fan.
I can’t shake the sense it’s not that well rounded. I just don’t see it on offense. It seems to hammer inefficiently, occasionally get magic from Patterson in space. Through the air, it’s fine, but maybe limited.
Now maybe that means 11-1 because of the rest of the schedule. But It feels like there’s some confidence behind them, and I’m not feeling it yet. Maybe PSU changes my mind.
Maybe Canada's best running back got himself into the dog house for doing something none of us have heard about?Nah, he was out there. But Maryland get held to 16, really 15 plays in the half. He was targeted on a pass on the first drive, but dropped it, and was set or a handoff, but the snap was high and the QB had to fall on it.
I'm quite certain Canada is not playing to lose, for cripe pete. He's hoping for a head job.
Nah, he was out there. But Maryland get held to 16, really 15 plays in the half. He was targeted on a pass on the first drive, but dropped it, and was set or a handoff, but the snap was high and the QB had to fall on it.All Canada's fault then? Cool.
What?See, I read that last paragraph, and I see mad. Maybe chippy. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's the way most fans interact with sports. A lot of bombast and swings of emotion. It's not bad, but it does make things seem very dramatic.
I'm critical. On here. That's not "mad".
I was happy with Bell, but only when we had Piggy. Once the quarterbacks went down, I thought he did a terrible job at adjusting to Max.
I was critical of Canada before he got here and listed why before the season started.
My thoughts have come to fruition.
Are you telling me that if your best running back didn't touch the ball until the end of the 3rd quarter, you wouldn't question your offensive coordinator?
It doesn't surprise me though. The same people who praise His abilities as an offensive coordinator don't believe Ty Johnson is a good running back.
See, I read that last paragraph, and I see mad. Maybe chippy. And there's nothing wrong with that.He made a valid counter point to your assertions,maybe someone else is uppity/snippy.He is right unless there were disciplinary/injury reasons.Why did a useful force of the offense not get the rock to late.Was he used to disguise or as a diversion that long?As Paul Brown once said if you have a big gun you shoot it.Dragging out stats from different seasons/programs/opposition doesn't pertain to that comment and proves nothing.I'm not saying Canada sux at all and for the most part would take a chance on him if Urbz left.Iowa clearly had the upper hand in talent against Maryland.So many X a coach can't do a lot i.e. Frost at UNL.With the right parts however there might be hell to pay.There have also been a lot of great asst coaches or coordinators that don't always translate to HC.Canada like Warriner sure has moved around the last 5-6 seasons.What's up with that?attitude or looking for opportunity?
It's should be a fun day of college football. I'll miss most of it, because my daughter has a soccer tournament. Her first game is at 1:15, but we are supposed to get there at noon. Clearly the coach has no respect for the structures of college football. So I'll be trying to check in on here and on the games from a cold, rainy field, and otherwise be fantasizing about being warm by a television.You should post something like this the morning of Nov. 24th.
Should be back to watch OSU give up 50 to Purdue, though.
The Committee technically. The secret is always been these are mostly silly frivolities that are taken seriously because when we rank things it makes our brains go haywire.Yup, I don't think of them as poll voters. I think they do spend more time on this, which is a good thing in general.
Why would any sportswriter give this more than 5 minutes of his attention and effort?because it's his responsibility
And, today, none of this matters anyway for them, not one bit. Not a tiny iota of importance.
Why would any sportswriter give this more than 5 minutes of his attention and effort?Well if one is specifically a CFB beat writer/columnist like to think they might get a bit deeper.Ya I'd look into variables like injuries,Bosa for instance(before the Purdue pansing).Depends on how many power 5 undefeateds also IMO.You have a point though,after 15 not too many critiquing with a fine tooth comb.Now if it was like an old school math test where you had to show your work,then decline the opportunity.But up to 12-15 give it a look as your readership might depend on it
First of all, his vote is a small fraction of the final, so if he really goofs, it doesn't much matter anyway, and there is no penalty for it. The dude is probably watching the major games of the weekend, not how a couple of teams that are 5-3 played beyond the score.
I never spent more than 5 minutes on my own efforts, probably not more than 2. You get down past 15th and you start thinking "eh, whatever".
Voters aren't any worse than any population. We, as humans, suck at putting things in the proper context. We're not good at valuing process. We're mentally lazy and like to look at one outcome, then go with it. The idea of thinking and taking several things into account doesn't appeal to us, at least in groups (a la a group of voters).That's a generalization,people on this board delve deep into a variety of subjects depending on background.Collectively for the last 15 + yrs we could be considered a group.Look no further than the discussions/disagreements
He made a valid counter point to your assertions,maybe someone else is uppity/snippy.He is right unless there were disciplinary/injury reasons.Why did a useful force of the offense not get the rock to late.Was he used to disguise or as a diversion that long?As Paul Brown once said if you have a big gun you shoot it.Dragging out stats from different seasons/programs/opposition doesn't pertain to that comment and proves nothing.I'm not saying Canada sux at all and for the most part would take a chance on him if Urbz left.Iowa clearly had the upper hand in talent against Maryland.So many X a coach can't do a lot i.e. Frost at UNL.With the right parts however there might be hell to pay.There have also been a lot of great asst coaches or coordinators that don't always translate to HC.Canada like Warriner sure has moved around the last 5-6 seasons.What's up with that?attitude or looking for opportunity?So I'll answer this in three parts.
The beat guy from the Milwaukee paper used to have a vote and gave it up. He spends (not currently - out sick) 3+ hours in a press box and then locker room/presser coverage. Then he has to get stories done for Sunday's paper.So his saturday was stacked,good example.Dumb question when do the writers/coaches rankings come out?Sunday,Monday,Tuesday because Sun/Mon would be tough to oblige if the task was to be taken seriously
How the hell is he watching any other games? Answer? He wasn't.
all Coaches are busy, I give them a breakI think they're giving good effort. But I think most are taught to approach it the old way, and frankly, when you sit down and try to pick them out, there's always some logical fallacy someone will be mad at. That and the fact when you rank teams no one is happy, it's not the easiest.
but sportswriters? There are plenty of them out there. If they are too busy or uninterested to give their ballots more than a few minutes a week, they should decline the offer. Let some other sportswriter with more time and energy fill out a ballot
I would guess most of them are giving good effort, but it's not easy as we know.
So his saturday was stacked,good example.Dumb question when do the writers/coaches rankings come out?Sunday,Monday,Tuesday because Sun/Mon would be tough to oblige if the task was to be taken seriouslyI think they're due at 11 on Sunday, maybe?
In the end, you had 15 offensive plays that mattered. At the end of that, you'll always say, why didn't someone get more work (so you could've had more than 15 plays).Um,no you should question why one got no work(who mattered)and how do you spin it that only 15 plays mattered.Takes one play to bust a game open.The guy averages 7.8 yds on the season and had 4 carries for the Game.As IA Hawk15 said the term tossed around was Jr High offense by those there.Mterp was right,nuts perhaps but right.C'mon 3 qtrs in is over due no matter how you try to explain it away.Not saying it would have made any difference at all but barring injury or discipline you call his(Johnsons) number
That's a generalization,people on this board delve deep into a variety of subjects depending on background.Collectively for the last 15 + yrs we could be considered a group.Look no further than the discussions/disagreementsI don't think you're being objective.
That's a generalization,people on this board delve deep into a variety of subjects depending on background.Collectively for the last 15 + yrs we could be considered a group.Look no further than the discussions/disagreementsSo I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest OAM was generalizing to politics, perhaps even in a "What's the matter with Kansas" sense. Where if you really dug into a person's core beliefs, you might find that their choice of "Team Red" or "Team Blue" really didn't make a lot of sense. Where they might say they want one thing but vote a different way based on their gut or tribal affiliation. Because at the end of the day, your vote really doesn't matter, so it's not really important enough to dig deep into the details. Known as rational ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance).
Sam (OWH) puts together an explanation for his AP ballot each week, some weeks its more in depth than others. He does seem to exhibit greater fluctuation than your average bear.The lack of fluctuation within many voter's polls is simply due to the herd mentality. If I don't stand out, then I won't have to explain anything.
I know he tries to see what he can, but he's also got to watch Nebraska and do his game stories.
As Tommy Lee Jones said in Men In Black, "An individual person is smart. People are dumb."This.
This.That's called a Congress.
You get 5 smart people in a room, they'll produce amazing ideas. You put 500 in a room, and things start to get wacky.
Um,no you should question why one got no work(who mattered)and how do you spin it that only 15 plays mattered.Takes one play to bust a game open.The guy averages 7.8 yds on the season and had 4 carries for the Game.As IA Hawk15 said the term tossed around was Jr High offense by those there.Mterp was right,nuts perhaps but right.C'mon 3 qtrs in is over due no matter how you try to explain it away.Not saying it would have made any difference at all but barring injury or discipline you call his(Johnsons) numberTo a degree, I question why he didn’t get a handoff of those two drives. Maybe they shoulda run him into that good Iowa run defense. But if he gets four carries and one doesn’t break, we’re complaining they’re force-feeding SD back into the teeth of a defense gear to stop him.
So I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest OAM was generalizing to politics, perhaps even in a "What's the matter with Kansas" sense. Where if you really dug into a person's core beliefs, you might find that their choice of "Team Red" or "Team Blue" really didn't make a lot of sense. Where they might say they want one thing but vote a different way based on their gut or tribal affiliation. Because at the end of the day, your vote really doesn't matter, so it's not really important enough to dig deep into the details. Known as rational ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance).If I may add a slight detail here. We’re complaining about polls. People have been taught for a long time that polls work like a horse race. Win gets a bump. Lose and fall. Move up by not losing.
Now, that's a different calculation than when an individual has to buy a car, or choose whether or not to take a job, or decide whether we want to relocate to a new city. In these cases, you have an enormous incentive to get the decision right, so it is worth careful consideration of all the relevant factors.
The AP and coaches' polls are more like the first. As long as you're not a significant outlier in the AP, nobody is going to even notice whether or not you voted. And I'm not sure, but isn't the coaches poll a secret ballot? And to honestly make the effort to watch a lot of games, for your ballot to be carefully constructed, is a LOT of work.
So what happens? The polls become a lot of groupthink. Team loses, you move them down and appropriate number of spots based on who they lost to. Team wins? You move them up beyond the teams that needed to be dropped for a loss, but you don't move them relative to other winning teams unless there's something absolutely newsworthy about their win.
At the end of the day, nobody penalizes you for a "bad" poll if your poll looks roughly like the others. And then we have a team like OSU, which was #2 but showing cracks in the armor, and they lose 49-20 to Purdue [and possibly rack up a few more losses] and we all lament about how the voters didn't know what they were doing but there are otherwise zero consequences.
As Tommy Lee Jones said in Men In Black, "An individual person is smart. People are dumb."
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That's called a Congress.:bravo_2:
And that's never a productive thing.
If I may add a slight detail here. We’re complaining about polls. People have been taught for a long time that polls work like a horse race. Win gets a bump. Lose and fall. Move up by not losing.But per OAM's other point, when you have enough volume, those people actually putting the time in get drowned out.
No one tells these folks to do anything different, and a lot of the older ones think that’s the way it works because that’s the way it has worked. Young writers might change that, but if you’re likely to build rankings with care, you’re more likely to feel the excercise is kinda silly to start with.
(Are we splitting a small hair and more going back and forth than arguing? I think we are)No.i don't think Mterp is mad for pointing a valid course of action
But per OAM's other point, when you have enough volume, those people actually putting the time in get drowned out.Well I suppose I could suppose they don't give a shyt because others don't just because.I think many do care but if they are not getting paid for their efforts and have other obligations then I can see & understand them winging it,at least after the top 10.If you're winging it under that then you're a distorted fan and don't take the gig
So over time, they realize that if they spend 3 hours analyzing games and putting a lot of effort into their ballot essentially means that Texas Tech [with say 95% of pollsters having them between 12th and 17th] moves from an average rank of 14.37 to 14.39 based on them putting TTU at 20th, they stop putting in that level of effort. But then they see another person ranked TTU at 8th, balancing out their outlier nature.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where the pollsters are essentially taught over time not to take it too seriously, because they have such little impact.
This.But that's not accurate either.Have you ever seen "Brain Games" on NatGeo?Collectively assertions have come in more accurate than individuals in many cases.Just get the microphone away from the bellyaching carnival barkers and let the masses mumble amongst themselves
You get 5 smart people in a room, they'll produce amazing ideas. You put 500 in a room, and things start to get wacky.
No.i don't think Mterp is mad for pointing a valid course of actionWhich course of action do you mean?
MCW is particularly prone to being mad, and here we are.The original one that you busted his chops on - you related to Bill Clinton?He wasn't mad he bought up a valid point why a guy who averaged 7.8 yds hadn't gotten a carry until the 3rd qtr.Regardless of his take on Canada he's not wrong there
But that's not accurate either.Have you ever seen "Brain Games" on NatGeo?Collectively assertions have come in more accurate than individuals in many cases.Just get the microphone away from the bellyaching carnival barkers and let the masses mumble amongst themselvesIf you're just going to cite one anecdotal thing like it disproves the point each time, then we're done. The sample size of this board doesn't make what I said untrue. The sample size of one TV show doesn't make what I said untrue.
If you're just going to cite one anecdotal thing like it disproves the point each time, then we're done. The sample size of this board doesn't make what I said untrue. The sample size of one TV show doesn't make what I said untrue.Alright no more sample sizes,We should probably wait for OrangeAfroMan's unrivaled intelligence to comment on such subjects before our less evolved collective cognitive ability once more leads us to jump to unreasonable conclusions & make stupendously absurd comments.
If you only dwell on the exceptions, you're missing out on 97% of life.
Well I suppose I could suppose they don't give a shyt because others don't just because.I think many do care but if they are not getting paid for their efforts and have other obligations then I can see & understand them winging it,at least after the top 10.If you're winging it under that then you're a distorted fan and don't take the gigare all the writers in the poll giving their ballot a full 8 hr effort week in and week out? No
Alright no more sample sizes,We should probably wait for OrangeAfroMan's unrivaled intelligence to comment on such subjects before our less evolved collective cognitive ability once more leads us to jump to unreasonable conclusions & make stupendously absurd comments.well, OAM is a firm believer in giving the lion's share of the carries to the RB that has the highest average until his average falls below the next guy. Makes Guys like Matt Canada look like boobs.
Fearless if your going to stir the pot get the arguments right :85:sorry Dude,
I'm not saying he isn't a successful coach, but am I the only one that thinks there's a Matt Canada Circle Jerk hosted by some on this board?after checking Bayareabadger's list of annual rankings, I'm certainly not impressed
The original one that you busted his chops on - you related to Bill Clinton?He wasn't mad he bought up a valid point why a guy who averaged 7.8 yds hadn't gotten a carry until the 3rd qtr.Regardless of his take on Canada he's not wrong there
I'm not saying he isn't a successful coach, but am I the only one that thinks there's a Matt Canada Circle Jerk hosted by some on this board?Certainly some banter for a guy who may well be out of P5 next year.
after checking Bayareabadger's list of annual rankings, I'm certainly not impressedI think I know why you don't like him.
sorry Dude,Down goes Frazier,down goes Frazier.'Skers won,sorry can't say the same for GR,hope you all had a blast
Don't have the time or energy
I helped host a Sharkwater Party last weekend and I haven't recovered fully yet
Take the Big Power Rankings, week 8 for example:Oh I agree OAM may confuse you with the misguided masses on whose Bell Curve he's always been way ahead of.Don't believe me ask him :67:
I'd guess our composite would closely follow the AP poll regarding the order of the Big Ten's ranked teams and others receiving votes
It's not as if he has anything on any of us as an OC besides experience. He's not some genius.I'm trying to tell the tone of this, I assume sarcasm.
Because at the end of the day, your vote really doesn't matter, so it's not really important enough to dig deep into the details. Known as rational ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance).I get your point,mine was simply that if they're(pollsters) getting paid for their efforts they may be putting in as much research as time allots.Also since their body of work is easily scrutinized more so than yours,mine or anyone else's around here,errors (real or perceived) easily draw criticism
Now, that's a different calculation than when an individual has to buy a car, or choose whether or not to take a job, or decide whether we want to relocate to a new city. In these cases, you have an enormous incentive to get the decision right, so it is worth careful consideration of all the relevant factors.
The AP and coaches' polls are more like the first. As long as you're not a significant outlier in the AP, nobody is going to even notice whether or not you voted. And I'm not sure, but isn't the coaches poll a secret ballot? And to honestly make the effort to watch a lot of games, for your ballot to be carefully constructed, is a LOT of work.
The simple answer is this, with the proliferation of available feeds, the vote should be shifted away from single-team beat writers. There are so many folks who are keeping an eye on the whole sport through the day. They should be getting the ballots.That's prolly a good idea if they have any takers,which for a fee I'm sure they can
I get your point,mine was simply that if they're(pollsters) getting paid for their efforts they may be putting in as much research as time allots.Also since their body of work is easily scrutinized more so than yours,mine or anyone else's around here,errors (real or perceived) easily draw criticismThey’re not getting paid for those efforts really. They don’t get anything extra for doing it, and it’s not really part of their jobs.
I'd be surprised if any AP voter spends more than 5 minutes on their poll.Any?Really,if that is even remotely accurate,well then scrap the caddy,Clyde,Why bother?
They’re not getting paid for those efforts really. They don’t get anything extra for doing it, and it’s not really part of their jobs.Well then they get what they pay for.But I still like the 4 team play off,no sense in letting these guys settle anything else
Any?Really,if that is even remotely accurate,well then scrap the caddy,Clyde,Why bother?The AP poll is irrelevant anyway to anything. So, why bother indeed.
But that's not accurate either.Have you ever seen "Brain Games" on NatGeo?Collectively assertions have come in more accurate than individuals in many cases.Just get the microphone away from the bellyaching carnival barkers and let the masses mumble amongst themselvesTrue. That's generally the idea behind the stock market or prediction markets. Usually there are incentives in those cases though.
I think the playoff committee spends much much more time and effort on their "poll", and obviously theirs is the only one that really matters for anything substantive.and how much different is the committee's poll than the AP????
and how much different is the committee's poll than the AP????Various polls however contrived are not going to differ that much unless they are done by an algorithm, are early in the year, or are weird to get noticed and clicks.
looking at the Peach Bowl (UCF/Auburn) and the CFP (Georgia/Bama final)the cfp poll is pre-bowls, the ap is post. for the pre-bowl ap, the top 8 were identical to the cfp poll.
the AP poll may have been more accurate.
Oh I agree OAM may confuse you with the misguided masses on whose Bell Curve he's always been way ahead of.Don't believe me ask him :67:I'm on the bell curve, as are we all.
the cfp poll is pre-bowls, the ap is post. for the pre-bowl ap, the top 8 were identical to the cfp poll.Thank you for that clarification. I assume it was an accidental error in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings
the cfp poll is pre-bowls, the ap is post. for the pre-bowl ap, the top 8 were identical to the cfp poll.thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings
Hayden Fry was right, "Never schedule a loss"That bit of info would have come in handy when I was dating
Most of the time, an 11-1 team will beat a 9-3 team. Of course, SOME of the time there would be an upset for various reasons.Well and there's also the question of whether you're ranking the outcomes/resumes, or ranking them as a power poll.
And SOME of the team the 9-3 team really is better than the 11-1 team.
But it is easier and faster just to line up the P5s by number of losses and jiggle a few up and down.
Anyway, I worry very little about polls these days. Midseason polls are vague indicators of something, perhaps letting you know that some team out west is having an apparently good year. I would not have realized Cincinnati was undefeated if I had not taken a quick glance at a poll.There’s no reason to worry about them. I doubt the people who make them would tell you to worry about them.
I really can think of no reason to worry about the polls, at any stage of the season. The AP says blah blah and a weekend comes and often the rank ordering shifts because of upsets. There are reasons to criticize the polls of course, and the main reason not to bother is that they do not matter.
At all.
Looking at the teams ranked by SRS on CFR.com:And I think Purdue ahead of Texas is a shining example of how dumb that methodology is. I’m much more interested in facts than opinions. If we took a poll right now on who we think would win on a neutral field between Purdue and Texas the opinions would be all over the place with no way to prove who was right.
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. LSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Clemson
6. Georgia
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa
9. Kentucky
10. Florida
Is this a crazy ranking? No. Teams with 1 loss mixed in with the undefeateds.
More interestingly - Purdue is 12th. 4-3 Purdue. Ahead of 6-1 Texas, 5-1 WV.
That should be the norm, not a quirk in some random ranking system. At least it's not a quirky rating system - it takes into account 2 things - point differential and SOS.
And I think Purdue ahead of Texas is a shining example of how dumb that methodology is. I’m much more interested in facts than opinions. If we took a poll right now on who we think would win on a neutral field between Purdue and Texas the opinions would be all over the place with no way to prove who was right.It’s not really an argument. They’ve played similarly difficult schedules. Purdue has a slightly better scoring differential, thus, a gap.
What is the argument for Purdue over Texas at this point?
How in the wide wide world of sports do you get the entire O-line and not get at least one RB?Not many really big runs, maybe? Taylor had 159 yards, but no carry longer than 19. Deal had a 39 yarder, but only 12 carries, most in garbage time.
I'm not sure how Washington grades better than OzigboSometimes the bloody-minded universe has one back go in when the OL is blocking best and one go in when it's blocking worst. You'd think such things would always be 50/50. But last year with Evans and Higdon at Michigan, I noticed that they definitely aren't always like that. And if you can put up 100 yards with clearly inferior blocking, that'd be another way to rank higher than your teammate on PFF, despite that other guy having even more yards.
The stats don't add up and I was at the game and my eyeball says Ozigbo played better
Devine Ozigbo 12-152; 2 TDs receiving 3-25;
M. Washington 14-109; 1 TD receiving 2-1
Washington must have picked up some blitzes very well or some downfield blocks
It’s not really an argument. They’ve played similarly difficult schedules. Purdue has a slightly better scoring differential, thus, a gap.I think that minimizes the most important and most inarguable aspect of any game. Who won and who lost. We can argue over should have and could have won. We can argue over why the margin of victory was big or small but who won and lost is in stone and it’s the entire reason these games are played.
What OAM is slightly overlooking is he’s placing modest value on the order of these things, which is usually overstated. The gap between those two teams is 0.44 points. So the Boiliers would be a half-point favorite in a neutral field by this metric. And I don’t know that is that much of a reach.
Now there’s two interesting elements to this. For one, we probably understate the impact of schedule on record, granted we treat schedule as one flowing number, which is often not super helpful. It also opens the door for a Mid-Major to hammer its schedule with such ferocity it gets nice and high here. Which I don’t mind, but does irk some.
In the end, I’m not really for treating rankings as power rankings. I’m not for using poll logic either.
Sometimes the bloody-minded universe has one back go in when the OL is blocking best and one go in when it's blocking worst. You'd think such things would always be 50/50. But last year with Evans and Higdon at Michigan, I noticed that they definitely aren't always like that. And if you can put up 100 yards with clearly inferior blocking, that'd be another way to rank higher than your teammate on PFF, despite that other guy having even more yards.dodging in the backfield
But if Purdue beats Ohio State, no one is going to say it means Purdue is better than Ohio State.I'm not so sure about "no one"
But if Purdue beats Ohio State, no one is going to say it means Purdue is better than Ohio State.I don’t think close losses and impressive losses can be lumped together. I don’t consider losing a close game to Eastern Michigan impressive. I’m not advocating for teams to be grouped by their losses but record has to come into play. If I’m going to rank a 4-3 ream over a 6-1 team they better damn well have a good reason. I’m failing to see it with Purdue and Texas right now. As the season plays out that might change but I couldn’t justify it right now.
The most important thing for predictive value is how well a team plays, not whether it won or lost. When Purdue was 0-3, we all saw them as a dangerous team capable of upsetting someone later in the year. 0-3, but "impressive losses" that indicated potential.
The single point of evidence that Purdue beat Ohio State does not mean NOW that Purdue is the better team.anyone takes even the irrational or ignorant into account
Would anyone think otherwise NOW?
I don’t think close losses and impressive losses can be lumped together. I don’t consider losing a close game to Eastern Michigan impressive. I’m not advocating for teams to be grouped by their losses but record has to come into play. If I’m going to rank a 4-3 ream over a 6-1 team they better damn well have a good reason. I’m failing to see it with Purdue and Texas right now. As the season plays out that might change but I couldn’t justify it right now.agree. aTm might be a better example than purdue.
So, how do folks think Purdue ends the season?I'd like to see this....but I don't know for sure.
Or they could continue to smoke people and beat everyone say but Wisky and finish a pretty decent 8-4 and be a tough bowl opponent.
I read some caller on Feinstein suggested LSU target Tu'a's knee. That is revolting for anyone to have said.it's the SEC and their fans
I think that minimizes the most important and most inarguable aspect of any game. Who won and who lost. We can argue over should have and could have won. We can argue over why the margin of victory was big or small but who won and lost is in stone and it’s the entire reason these games are played.So, this question cuts to the center of what we want from our rankings.
Wisconsin will lose at Purdue.Damn sure feels that way.
Programs like OSU and Bama and now Clemson have that depth thing so losing players is not as much of a drop off as for a Purdue.tOSU had that depth thing last year - in Aces Tyquan Lewis,Sam Hubbard,Jalyn Holmes - 2nd,3rd,4th rds and Trace Sprinkle - signed as a FE off of the D-Line.Billy Price (1st rd),Jamarco Jones (4th I think) and somebody else left I'd have to look up.Many thought last season Urban would go with Dwayne or Joe under center after JT's play in the Clemson & Oklahoma games.Now with injury & performance issues that depth is thin
tOSU had that depth thing last year - in Aces Tyquan Lewis,Sam Hubbard,Jalyn Holmes - 2nd,3rd,4th rds and Trace Sprinkle - signed as a FE off of the D-Line.Billy Price (1st rd),Jamarco Jones (4th I think) and somebody else left I'd have to look up.Many thought last season Urban would go with Dwayne or Joe under center after JT's play in the Clemson & Oklahoma games.Now with injury & performance issues that depth is thintOSU had good depth the previous 4 years and has it this year and will have it the next 4 years if Urby stays
So, this question cuts to the center of what we want from our rankings.Great post.
OAM and a lot of others say, we want rankings that say, this is who we think wins between those two teams. So in theory, on a neutral field, a team on average wins against the team a spot below it, loses to the team a spot above it. This would be a forward looking ranking. We might use data from the past, but we are not rewarding a team for accomplishments.
And it turns out, relying on wins is not a good way to build a forward looking ranking. They're too blocky of a piece of data. Looking at wins, a 1-point win and 40 point win have more in common than a 1-point loss and a 1-point win. Those last two are a stark difference, even though they're likely functionally the same game, give or take a play. So we can't build a great forward looking ranking by only using what amounts to a standing approach looking backwards.
That being said, I don't really see any need for the biggest rankings to be forward looking. I much prefer them to be backwards looking. I like rankings as a comparison of resumes and accomplishments. But that means I have to do away with the idea the No. 1 team should usually beat 2 or 3. It means I have to accept the No. 4 team might really be better than No. 1.
In the end, I think there's room for any of these. I love some predictive ones. I don't mind the resume ones. To be honest, I'm mostly not bent out of shape by the big ones because they're not really held to any standard. I'm sure some use the old poll movement logic, and nothing says they can't. Some try to build their own resumes each week. Some use a bunch of advanced stats and then slightly adjust. And it all kind of comes out in the wash.
The BCS was brave to incorporate computer rankings back in the day.The BCS would have worked better if we hadn't any chance of knowing how the computer rankings worked. Knowing about the significance of MOV degraded the game. But removing MOV degraded the rankings.
But of course, they bastardize it by requiring them to omit MOV. So instead of getting the computer's best attempts at ranking teams, they said "nah, give us something less than your best".
The BCS was brave to incorporate computer rankings back in the day.the problem is that nothing is perfect so we keep tweaking it, usually from a knee jerk
But of course, they bastardize it by requiring them to omit MOV. So instead of getting the computer's best attempts at ranking teams, they said "nah, give us something less than your best".
https://twitter.com/philsteele042/status/1055131278603890688?s=19so, apparently the Miami Hurricane offense sucks
so, apparently the Miami Hurricane offense sucksTurnover chain my f'ing ass.
The wife just made me a smoked salmon and jalapeno sandwich, without my asking.cincy, you ok dude? you've come in several threads with random ass posts out of nowhere, lol. you been on the bigxii board too long?
the problem is that nothing is perfect so we keep tweaking it, usually from a knee jerkWell in 2000, the h2h thing came up between FSU getting into the NCG over the Miami squad that beat them. So it ended up just back to square one in that case.
it's an unperfect game played by unperfect people in an unperfect world
I liked the BCS, sorry to see it go
She even cuts the crusts off the breadYou're gonna get your man card pulled
Yellowjackets steamroll Hokies with zero yards passing. So is this what football was like in the 70s?I missed that one, and thought your report was at halftime or something. I guess they did have no passing yards at halftime too.
Or not...never a doubt!
I missed that one, and thought your report was at halftime or something. I guess they did have no passing yards at halftime too.watched the entire game
49 points, no completions.
GaTech has moved to 4-4, which is pretty good considering.
42 minutes ToP for the Techsters.
In 1980(1), UGA beat ND in the SB and I think had 8 yards passing and one completion.1981 Georgia at Florida on ESPN Classic right now
In 1980(1), UGA beat ND in the SB and I think had 8 yards passing and one completion.That makes sense when you're handing it off to Herschel.