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Topic: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons

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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2021, 03:53:43 PM »
I THINK one can recruit easier and better at LSU versus OU.  I don't know if the data are relevant to that question.  
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2021, 04:09:06 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 03, 2021, 02:40:12 PM
Is the ceiling for recruiting at LSU higher than at OU?  I don't really think so, but I suppose I could be wrong about that.


I think so, therefore, you are wrong  ;)
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2021, 05:57:33 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 03, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
I THINK one can recruit easier and better at LSU versus OU.  I don't know if the data are relevant to that question. 
Why?  OU is a blue blood that gets its pick of Texas talent and can also recruit nationally.

LSU is not a blue blood, and though they have pretty good in-state talent, they also have to fight off the other regional SEC powers for that talent.
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2021, 06:20:47 PM »
2021 College Football Team Talent Composite (247sports.com)

They are 6 and 5 right now for talent on the team.  LSU has the state to itself.

Here are the top nine states for picks in the 2021 NFL Draft (population ranking in the United States in parentheses):
  • Florida (3rd), 37
  • Texas (2nd), 33
  • Georgia (8th), 21
  • California (1st), 19
  • Louisiana (25th), 13
  • North Carolina (9th), 10
  • Ohio (7th), 9
  • Michigan (10th) and Pennsylvania (5th), 8

2021 NFL Draft: State-by-state look at where all draftees played high school football - MaxPreps

Oklahoma had three, versus 13.

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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2021, 06:34:21 PM »
LSU doesn't have Lousiana all to itself.  Texas regularly cherry picks in that state.  There are 5 Louisiana kids on our current 85 man roster.  Tons of other schools do as well.

And OU should be viewed more as a Texas school, for the purposes of recruiting.  They recruit just as easily in the state as UT or A&M.  

As the composite shows, they're only off by one spot.  Pretty much proves to me that recruiting to OU is roughly the same as recruiting to LSU.  It's certainly not a slam-dunk to be easier.

Also, if you want to talk about draftees, you have to use more than one year.  A 5-year average would be far more representative.
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2021, 06:47:01 PM »
I think it's easier to recruit for LSU than for OU.

LSU is the only P5 school in the state.  And the state produces a lot of talent.
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2021, 06:48:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 03, 2021, 06:47:01 PM
I think it's easier to recruit for LSU than for OU.

LSU is the only P5 school in the state.  And the state produces a lot of talent.
Like I said, all kinds of schools play in that sandbox.  6% of UT's roster is from the state of Louisiana.



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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2021, 08:13:07 PM »
FWIW, OU has kids from the following states listed on its current roster.

AZ: 2
CA: 4
CO: 1
DC: 3
FL: 7
GA: 2
IL: 4
KS: 1
MD: 2
MO: 2
NC: 4
NV: 1
OH: 3
OK: 27
OR: 1
TN: 5
TX: 48
VA: 2
« Last Edit: November 03, 2021, 09:29:22 PM by CWSooner »
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2021, 09:04:25 PM »
high school recruits in states doesn't matter

state boundaries are crossed -  LSU is closer to Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.  LSU also borders Texas as does Oklahoma

rivals 2021 ranking - LSU #4, OU #13

rivals 2020 ranking - LSU #4, OU #16

rivals 2019 ranking - LSU #3, OU #5

rivals 2018 ranking - LSU #14, OU #8

rivals 2017 ranking - LSU #8, OU #8

rivals 2016 ranking - LSU #5, OU #16

rivals 2015 ranking - LSU #8, OU #14

rivals 2014 ranking - LSU #2, OU #15

rivals 2013 ranking - LSU #6, OU #15

rivals 2012 ranking - LSU #18, OU #11

rivals 2011 ranking - LSU #6, OU #14

rivals 2010 ranking -  LSU #6, OU #7

rivals 2009 ranking - LSU #2, OU #13



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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2021, 09:33:22 PM »
I don't really have a dog in the disagreement.
It has been my general impression that LSU has a more highly ranked recruiting class than OU does in most years.
We've chalked it up to LSU bagmen having bigger bags than ours do!  ;)
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2021, 10:25:15 PM »
well, yer gonna have to upgrade your bagman game

might want to bring Switzer back as a consultant ;)
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2021, 10:28:55 PM »
I idly wonder how attractive OU might become, over today, being in the SEC, for national recruits.  It could enhance their appeal?  Get them on the short list?

Dunno.  

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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2021, 10:51:53 PM »
well, the downside will be, fewer conference championships and fewer 4-team playoff appearances

not sure how that will affect recruiting
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Re: TCU coach Gary Patterson out after 21 seasons
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2021, 08:07:49 AM »
The SEC won't be the same of course, neccessarily, by then.  Folks muse about Saban's retirement and what that might do to Alabama, they could drop to more of a 10-2 team, maybe.  Florida might get back, maybe, I don't think Tenn will really get back.  Auburn is capable of having good teams every so often, built on the back of one or two prime players in general.  LSU might get back, or fade (duh).

UGA will likely continue to have elite recruiting because of location.  Arkansas?  I saw signs of hope earlier, but maybe they are currently too thin.  Other programs face recruiting challenges without shennanigans.  Maybe OU replaces Alabama as the power in the west, or Texas.
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