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CWSooner · « **Reply #364 on:** January 23, 2023, 05:04:04 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 23, 2023, 07:40:16 AM

This change has murdered our schedule next year, no OOC games of any note now except "Tech" (if that is notable). UGA dropped OU of course (not their fault). Folks will be whining that UGA didn't play anyone.

Our schedule too. We've got an OOC lineup of Arkansas State, SMU, and at Tulsa. We lost the game with UGA scheduled for this year, plus the return game down the road, plus two games each with Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU.
SMU replaces the scheduled Georgia game this year. That game was to celebrate the centennial of Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
That leaves us with only three P5 OOC opponents scheduled home-and-home from now through the 2035 season--Michigan, Nebraska, and Clemson.
One of the arrangements for mitigating exit fees being discussed with the Big 12 has OU (and UT too, I assume) playing enough OOC games with Big 12 teams over the next several years to make Fox Sports happy.
One of the stories I've heard about this is that oSu does not really want to play OU. It's more fun for them to nurse being an injured party, I guess.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #365 on:** January 24, 2023, 09:57:35 AM »

Quote from: Gigem on January 23, 2023, 09:43:08 AM

The Big 10 and the SEC almost NEVER play each other OOC, especially in the early season. Same goes for the Big 12/Big 10.

I don't know why, it just is.

We did a 'not-home and not-home' with Wisconsin. Instead of welcoming the Badgers to Death Valley and getting to watch the crazy cajuns play at the most raucous Big Ten stadium, instead we were subjected to games at Lambeau (Wisconsin's "home" game) and NRG (LSU's "home" game, which, WTF, it's not even Louisiana....could've at least done the Superdome).

Getting the Badgers ooc was great. But they totally whiffed on a key selling point of college football, which is the college stadium environment.

We've done a lot of one-offs with the ACC and home-and-homes with the PAC, and WVU when they were still Big East, but yeah.....rarely anything with the Big Ten. I'm still irked they screwed it up.

Years ago we did a HandH with Ohio State, but while it's not before my time, it's before games were always on tv and before I would remember much, or care.

utee94 · « **Reply #366 on:** January 24, 2023, 10:30:31 AM »

I'd hate it if my team ever did a "not-home" home game. That really sucks for the fans.

TX-OU at the Cotton Bowl is, of course, an exception.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #367 on:** January 24, 2023, 12:30:22 PM »

Same.

I get it when it comes to the one-off season openers that our ADs have been so in love with lately. They make the dept. a bunch of money don't carry much schedule obligation or complication. I'd rather true home-and-homes, but for the one-timer games, I guess a neutral site to start the season is not bad.

But the Wisconsin thing just sucked. I really would've loved to have seen the Tigers play at Madison. How cool would that be? And to see Wisconsin in Death Valley? It'd be like a Bigfoot sighting.

And the current FSU thing is weird too. We opened with FSU last year and will open with them again this year, but instead of HandH its neutral sites both times. I don't know how much I should care about seeing my team at Doak Campbell, but it'd be neat and out of the ordinary, and I'd certainly love to see FSU come play in Tiger Stadium.

Alas. The kickoff classics and their $ win again.

utee94 · « **Reply #368 on:** January 24, 2023, 01:13:24 PM »

But in those kickoff classics at neutral sites, somebody is still giving up a potential true home game. If you were going to have 8 home games and you give one away, then you're at 7. If you still have 8, then that means the other guy gave up a home game. When Texas played UCLA at JerryWorld several years back, it was actually their home game, that they were willing to have in Arlington for recruiting/exposure purposes.

I guess one good thing about having such strong and "present" big money donors, is that there's really no danger of us giving up a home game to play elsewhere even if it's nearby. They already lose one home game every other year due to the Cotton Bowl, and they're not about to sacrifice using their luxury suites any more often than that. They pay for those by the season, not by the game, and they don't get any type of discount when we're playing away.

It's why I laugh at all the people who suggest the TX-OU game would ever go to JerryWorld if it left the Cotton Bowl. There's absolutely zero chance that Texas big money would be willing to sacrifice their luxury suites and instead be forced to rent them from the carpetbagger from Arkansas. If the series ever leaves the Cotton Bowl, it'll go home-and-home.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #369 on:** January 24, 2023, 01:19:46 PM »

True, but despite the drawbacks and failings of our recent ADs, business sense has not part of that list.

They must be making it worth the bottom line to the department to do a game like that, moreso than having a home game one year and giving one up the next for a HaH.

I'm not privy to the numbers, but they're aren't doing it to lose money.

I just wish they'd take one for the fans, so to speak. Especially with the Wisconsin thing. However much the corporate overloads paid the Badgers and Tigers, my head spins when I think about how much LSU could make on its own for the Badgers coming to town. I'd like to think it would be a similar situation in Madison if LSU came. Our base gets really pumped up to see name teams come in who we rarely ever see. I imagine it's the same at other schools.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #370 on:** January 24, 2023, 01:22:51 PM »

Dawg fans go crazy when playing OOC games H&A.

utee94 · « **Reply #371 on:** January 24, 2023, 01:35:39 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 24, 2023, 01:19:46 PM

True, but despite the drawbacks and failings of our recent ADs, business sense has not part of that list.

They must be making it worth the bottom line to the department to do a game like that, moreso than having a home game one year and giving one up the next for a HaH.

I'm not privy to the numbers, but they're aren't doing it to lose money.

I just wish they'd take one for the fans, so to speak. Especially with the Wisconsin thing. However much the corporate overloads paid the Badgers and Tigers, my head spins when I think about how much LSU could make on its own for the Badgers coming to town. I'd like to think it would be a similar situation in Madison if LSU came. Our base gets really pumped up to see name teams come in who we rarely ever see. I imagine it's the same at other schools.

A big OOC home game probably nets Texas around $15M from gate receipts, parking, concessions, etc. I don't think these one-offs are paying out $15M per team but I could be wrong.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #372 on:** January 24, 2023, 01:51:11 PM »

How much money do big neutral-site CFB games pay out? - SBNation.com

CWSooner · « **Reply #373 on:** January 24, 2023, 02:34:14 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 24, 2023, 09:57:35 AM

We did a 'not-home and not-home' with Wisconsin. Instead of welcoming the Badgers to Death Valley and getting to watch the crazy cajuns play at the most raucous Big Ten stadium, instead we were subjected to games at Lambeau (Wisconsin's "home" game) and NRG (LSU's "home" game, which, WTF, it's not even Louisiana....could've at least done the Superdome).

Getting the Badgers ooc was great. But they totally whiffed on a key selling point of college football, which is the college stadium environment.

We've done a lot of one-offs with the ACC and home-and-homes with the PAC, and WVU when they were still Big East, but yeah.....rarely anything with the Big Ten. I'm still irked they screwed it up.

Years ago we did a HandH with Ohio State, but while it's not before my time, it's before games were always on tv and before I would remember much, or care.

The college stadium environment becomes less and less of a consideration as CFB becomes more and more the NFL-Lite. As an example, consider where the NCG was held a couple of weeks ago--in an NFL stadium in the part of the country that cares the least about CFB.

CWSooner · « **Reply #374 on:** January 24, 2023, 02:37:15 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on January 24, 2023, 01:13:24 PM

. . . It's why I laugh at all the people who suggest the TX-OU game would ever go to JerryWorld if it left the Cotton Bowl. There's absolutely zero chance that Texas big money would be willing to sacrifice their luxury suites and instead be forced to rent them from the carpetbagger from Arkansas. If the series ever leaves the Cotton Bowl, it'll go home-and-home.

Yep.

CWSooner · « **Reply #375 on:** January 24, 2023, 02:40:01 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 24, 2023, 01:51:11 PM

How much money do big neutral-site CFB games pay out? - SBNation.com

Per the article:

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If you’re a power playing another power, you can make as much as $6 million. But it moves downward from there.

But that was in 2017. Surely it is much more than that now, as everything else involving money in CFB has ballooned in the last five years.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #376 on:** January 24, 2023, 03:04:01 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on January 24, 2023, 02:40:01 PM

Per the article:

But that was in 2017. Surely it is much more than that now, as everything else involving money in CFB has ballooned in the last five years.

Perhaps that. And then to utee's point about UT taking in $15 mil for a home game, assuming LSU makes something comparable to that, they don't lose another home date in another year as they would for a HandH. They can either get paid again to do another neutral site one-off, or bring in another punching bag.

The FSU thing is odd, though. I've never seen LSU do two of these in a row with the same team.

Actually I just looked it up.....the contract is available via the lsu.edu domain, and it appears both LSU and Florida St. were paid $5.1 mil for last year's game, assuming they sold all their contracted allotment of tickets. I'd imagine the game this year will be similar for both teams.

A si.com article states that LSU made an average of $5.14 million per home game for ticket sales in 2019. I can't find what concessions, parking, merch, etc. add up to.

I guess getting paid $5.1 mil twice is better than making $Xmil once? I dunno. The math has to be there somewhere.

utee94 · « **Reply #377 on:** January 24, 2023, 04:16:38 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on January 24, 2023, 03:04:01 PM

Perhaps that. And then to utee's point about UT taking in $15 mil for a home game, assuming LSU makes something comparable to that, they don't lose another home date in another year as they would for a HandH. They can either get paid again to do another neutral site one-off, or bring in another punching bag.

The FSU thing is odd, though. I've never seen LSU do two of these in a row with the same team.

Actually I just looked it up.....the contract is available via the lsu.edu domain, and it appears both LSU and Florida St. were paid $5.1 mil for last year's game, assuming they sold all their contracted allotment of tickets. I'd imagine the game this year will be similar for both teams.

A si.com article states that LSU made an average of $5.14 million per home game for ticket sales in 2019. I can't find what concessions, parking, merch, etc. add up to.

I guess getting paid $5.1 mil twice is better than making $Xmil once? I dunno. The math has to be there somewhere.

That might be your average home game, but what is your max home game?

I don't know how it works at LSU (or anywhere else), but at UT, the face value of the ticket is dramatically higher for a big name, than it is for, say, Kanas. Face value for a UT home game ticket to see a big OOC opponent like FSU would be around $150. To see Kansas, more like $60.

So, 100,000 seats x $150 per ticket, brings you to $15M gross in gate receipts alone, without counting concessions, parking, merchandise, etc. That's the opportunity cost of losing a home game at UT.

*Edit-- I realize the gross gate receipts are revenue and not profit, but I'm assuming that excluding all of the concessions and other gross revenues roughly offsets the cost of operating the stadium for a home game.

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