Brian Davis
@BDavisAAS
One high-ranking Texas source tells me now that 2024 is still a more realistic target date for Texas and OU to join the SEC early. So Horns, Sooners teams likely going to Provo, Houston, Cincy, Orlando in 2023
For its part, the Big 12 is operating under the assumption that both schools will remain in the league through the 2024-25 season and is prepared to operate with 14 teams for the next two seasons, which would necessitate the restitution of divisions.I don't think so. In the B1G the strong rumor is that we are going to be divisionless with 14 teams starting as soon as the 2023 season. I would think that the B12 could do the same thing but maybe they would rather put OU and UT in one division to ensure that at least one of them will NOT make the B12CG, I don't know.
You're right, Medina. That article I quoted is incorrect.Just to clarify, I did realize that it was the article, I didn't mean it as arguing with you.
I'm thinking they will go Indy and play on LHN for two years.Heh... not likely but I guess ya never know.
ESecPN is calling the shots. Would not surprise me a bit it that happens.
And if it does, I want to to see the Horns and Sooners in Madison.
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Wisconsin on the LHN would be the best!
I don't pay more. Probably a lot more Big Ten alumni here??Probably? Lots of folks like you that leave the frozen tundra for warmer climes? The B1G-school diaspora certainly seems to trend more to Florida and California, than it does to Texas, for whatever reasons.
We get BTN through DirecTV here, I don't have a choice. Bally Sports is a thing here, they have the Braves, I never heard of them before this year.
Bally Sports can (insert your choice of offensive terminology here).I like LHN because it has basically every Longhorn baseball game on, live. And a lot of volleyball, too. Those are the sports I care most about, beyond football.
I use Grande (Astound) for my internet connection. That's about it. YouTubeTV has BTN, so i get that. LHN was a good idea that came along at a bad time. There's not a lot of content on there that I have to see. Much like the previously mentioned Bally's, when something's on there, I use other means to view.
I get BTN on Hulu.we can guess how many is enough
No LHN to be found on that.
Oh well. I can see enough Horn games if I want to, which I normally do.
we can hope
probably a bowl game
I'd REEEAALLLLY like to upset the Sooners in Lincoln this Sept.
might have scoreboard a while
CFB is entering another phase of realignment. Apparently USC and UCLA to the Big 10. It really doesn't make much sense. They could probably do the same thing with some clever scheduling. It's not like most of the PAC is very difficult anyways.It's the difference between $30M/year and $90M/year. There's no way to make that up in scheduling.
Wonder what this will do with regards to the reconfigured SEC?
making Wisconsin vs Texas almost impossible
So, it still appears that USC and UCLA will join the B1G for the 2024 football season. And I see no movement in the OU-Texas departure from the Big 12, so I guess it not happen until the summer of 2025.
I did not want to see OU join the SEC, for reasons that I have laid out in the past. But compared to the SoCal schools joining the B1G, OU and Texas making the move to the SEC is the height of reasonableness.
The State of Texas was already within the SEC footprint, and the State of Oklahoma was already bordered by three states in the SEC footprint.
By contrast, it is 1500 road miles from the B1G's current western outpost in Lincoln, and you drive through the intervening states of Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada along the way. That's more than doubling the span of a conference that already stretches 1300 miles from Piscataway to Lincoln.
The B1G will surely get more video-rights money with USC and UCLA, but I wonder if it will be worth it, because there will certainly be extra costs--financial and otherwise--as well.
I think there's zero chance Texas and OU remain in the B12 until 2025.I hope you're right.
the SEC's preference is to add more and better content for the TV network honks ASAPNo doubt that's true.
(https://i.imgur.com/xpiazWi.png)I would arrange it differently but it includes Blue Bell so its fairly accurate
I'd swap steak and BBQIndeed, exactly so.
And we call everything Mexican food, whether it's Tex-Mex or Mex-Mex. And we eat it all with great gusto, so I'd leave that alone too.like you drink cokes
I think it's correct, down here tacos are not necessarily the same as Mexican food, they're an entity unto themselves.dont touch the Bell man
And we call everything Mexican food, whether it's Tex-Mex or Mex-Mex. And we eat it all with great gusto, so I'd leave that alone too.
I'd probably replace Blue Bell with chili, though.
dont touch the Bell manEh. Blue Bell is made with HFCS and just isn't that great IMO. HEB's own-brand of ice cream, called "Creamy Creations" is superior. Just my opinion of course.
Chicken fried chicken is pretty good also. How about biscuits? They are big around here along with grits of course. Fried catfish is also a thing. I "heard" goat is a thing in Texas sometimes.Yup chicken-fried chicken is also popular here, and tasty.
Eh. Blue Bell is made with HFCS and just isn't that great IMO. HEB's own-brand of ice cream, called "Creamy Creations" is superior. Just my opinion of course.how snooty of you
how snooty of youI guess? If not liking HFCS is snooty, then I don't want to be un-snooty.
I guess? If not liking HFCS is snooty, then I don't want to be un-snooty.ok then youre officially snooty
Well I'm already a beer snob and a wine snob and a BBQ snob and probably a lot of other kinds of snob, so I guess I'm okay with adding ice cream snob to that list.Youre a beer snob?
Youre a beer snob?I'll be at the Live Oak Brewery this afternoon drinking this fabulous creation:
I hadnt noticed
I guess? If not liking HFCS is snooty, then I don't want to be un-snooty.Most HFCS has about the same proportions of fructuse to glucose, I know I can't taste any difference, but others say they can and I believe them. I try hard to avoid fructose. That has basically meant no dessert for me except on rare occasion.
Congratulations, stay with it.Thanks but the funny thing is its not done from some sort of decision
Yup chicken-fried chicken is also popular here, and tasty.I've had goat once.
Definitely yes on biscuits. White cream gravy is the standard accompaniment, although sausage gravy can be found here and there.
Tons of fried catfish around here.
Goat is from the Mexican influence, typically BBQ'd goat kid which is called "cabrito." It's delicious. A handful of restaurants will carry it but it's more often found cooked in the backyard at family gatherings.
College football: New conference rivalries that could be born from realignment (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/College-football-New-conference-rivalries-that-could-be-born-from-realignment--190448174/?fbclid=IwAR3O1RkKBxgIKFez16D59yq-ytTF5Nar7uMKFK7D7h4ShouM_mq4gQd7Vuk)OU-Arkansas: I don't like Arkansas much. Maybe from growing up in Tulsa and seeing the annual Tulsa-Arkansas game always be played in Arkansas. Maybe because of the stupid pig hats and pig calls. I guess I would enjoy it if OU were to regularly beat the Hogs in the SEC.
I think that the Horns have said that Arkansas was their 2nd-most-intense conference rivalry back in the SWC days.I remember back in my student days it was serious business to play the piggies
Yup older Horns rank the rivalries as OU, Arkansas, Texas A&MArkansas as #2 overall (among older Horns) surprises me a bit. I would have guessed A&M. That's why I supposed that Arkansas was the #2 conference rivalry.
Horns under 40 tend to say OU, Texas A&M, and don't really remember Arkansas.
But playing them annually in the SEC would crank that rivalry back up to 11 in short order.
Arkansas as #2 overall (among older Horns) surprises me a bit. I would have guessed A&M. That's why I supposed that Arkansas was the #2 conference rivalry.
Similar to your 2nd point, Sooners under 40 don't see Nebraska the same way that geezers like me do.
Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn - Guitars, Cadillacs, and Hillbilly Music PodOn that last one, you could call it the Southwest Conference (-) Pod. 1915 version of the SWC, anyway.
Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Missouri - The 3/4 Make Sense Pod
Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Tennessee - The Elvis and Whiskey Pod
Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, OU - The Hate Pod
Redneck would work for any of themWorks for most of the B1G, too.
well, maybe out westWhen people around this nation think of the states of Ohio, Nebraska, Indiana, Iowa, they think of hillbillies and dirt farmers with red necks. And Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois, also aren't thought of as being bastions of style and sophistication, outside of maybe one or two big cities.
When people around this nation think of the states of Ohio, Nebraska, Indiana, Iowa, they think of hillbillies and dirt farmers with red necks. And Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois, also aren't thought of as being bastions of style and sophistication, outside of maybe one or two big cities.word.
Pot, kettle, etc.
Legends, Leaders, Laggards, and Losers.:)
Pennsylvania is Pittsburg and Philadelphia divided by Alabama ...that's not very nice
Sounds like a good fix, I like the tradition. I don't think the distance cited is any impediment. Dawg fans like to rent condos and whatnot at Jekyll and St. Simons anyway.
Actual home games I think are more impressive and that's where recruits play most of their games in general (though UGA doesn't get many true home games typically aside from two against pastries).
Yeah, I can understand that,I agree with all of that, while stipulating that I have never been to the formerly named WLOCP.
And no offense intended to the WLOCP, but from a recruiting perspective, I don't think you can compare the Georgia-Florida game played in an NFL stadium TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, to the TX-OU game played at the historic Cotton Bowl in Dallas, on the State Fairgrounds, in the midst of the State Fair. One is a game at an NFL stadium, and one annually is the most incredible atmosphere ever, for a college football game. There aren't just 100,00 people inside the stadium, but there are an additional 150K-200K outside the stadium and on the Fairgrounds, on TX-OU gameday. It's an unbelievable gameday environment.
If for some reason TX-OU were ever moved to the Cowboys' stadium, then the experiences would be more comparable. But until then. I can definitely see how a home game in Athens or Gainesville, would be a better college football experience for a recruit than Jacksonville game, while hosting recruits in the Cotton Bowl, is just as good as, and in many ways better, than hosting recruits in Austin or Norman.
Regardless, I definitely think that if Georgia/Florida value the neutral site game and want to continue it, then they should be allowed to host recruits there. Allowing the designated home team for TX-OU to do so, has worked out just fine, for many many decades. I'm not sure why such a rule would exist in the SEC anyway.
The OklahomanThanks, CW. I have enjoyed reading Berry Tramel for years and it seems others enjoy him as well as he is behind a pay wall these days. I have been to the WLOCP 15 or so times and love these mid-autumn trips to the beach. It is usually cold in Athens by then and normally warm in Jax. I would love to go to the RRS, it looks like an amazing environment and I can see how recruiting would be a plus for both teams. Hell, the State Fair looks like great fun above and beyond the game.
Tramel's ScissorTales: Kirby Smart wants Georgia-Florida moved; OU-Texas has a better idea
Berry Tramel, Oklahoman
Sat, July 30, 2022 at 9:07 AM
Georgia football coach Kirby Smart wants the Florida-Georgia game moved from its permanent site in Jacksonville to campus sites. His reasoning is clear: recruiting.
Of course, OU-Texas has a permanent neutral site, and one reason the game is anchored in Dallas (and has been since 1929) is clear: recruiting.
I know, I know. It makes no sense. Welcome to the mind of college football coaches.
Here’s what Smart had to say during SEC Media Days last week in Atlanta.
“I'm competing against guys all across the SEC who host kids at their biggest game,” Smart told the SEC Network. "When Auburn plays Alabama, guess where the recruits are? They're at Auburn. When LSU and Alabama play, guess where the biggest recruits want to go?
“It's an opportunity for us to bring these kids who fly in from all over the country. What game do they want to see? They'd like to see Georgia play Florida, but they can't do that.”
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Fans from Georgia and Florida fill TIAA Bank Field during their 2018 game in Jacksonville. BOB SELF/Florida Times-Union
In the OU-Texas game, the designated home team gets to host recruits at the Cotton Bowl. But in Georgia-Florida, neither team is allowed to bring in recruits, via Southeastern Conference rules.
Seems like rather than move the game, the answer is just change the rule to the Big 12 version. If not for Florida-Georgia, then for OU-Texas. That's one of the hundreds of details that the Sooners and Longhorns must account for when they make the move to the Southeastern Conference, no later than 2025.
The Sooners and 'Horns won't be happy, won't be happy at all, if recruits are barred from the Cotton Bowl every season.
In truth, OU-Texas is a win-win for both schools, no matter the designated host, since the Sooners and Longhorns recruit many of the same players.
Of course, I’m not here to argue recruiting with Smart. He knows more about it than all the rest of us put together.
But Smart’s desire is interesting. Georgia already is killing it in recruiting. And maybe recruits want to see Georgia-Florida because it’s played in Jacksonville. I mean, the Bulldogs have more than their share of marquee games. Georgia-Auburn is must-see football. Georgia-Georgia Tech is a traditional rivalry, albeit one-sided. Plus assorted SEC games against Alabama and Louisiana State.
I know of little regret from the football side of either the Sooners or Longhorns about playing in Dallas. In fact, both programs embrace the Cotton Bowl tradition as a recruiting bonanza.
OU and Texas recruit to that game. Sign with us, they say, and you get to experience this. Playing in that atmosphere, on that stage, is something that can’t be bought by name, image and likeness money.
I would assume it’s the same for Georgia-Florida, but heck, who knows?
Jacksonville’s Florida Times-Union reported that Smart long has advocated moving the game.
Greg McGarity, chief executive of Jacksonville’s Gator Bowl game, formerly was Georgia’s athletic director and the man who hired Smart as head coach.
“The historical nature (of Florida-Georgia) isn’t important to Kirby,” McGarity told the Times-Union. “But to those who played in it, they always remember that game. With the 50-50 split of fans at the stadium, it’s a great experience.
“Remember, if you change it, you’re changing it for good. I don’t think that’s a wise thing to do when the vast majority enjoy the experience. Plus, it’s something unique and unusual.”
OU-Texas, Georgia-Florida and Army-Navy are the sport’s three great neutral-site series. Army-Navy is in a class of its own, for reasons you either know all about or can figure out.
In Jacksonville, in both the old Gator Bowl and the Jaguars’ TIAA Bank Field, the tickets are distributed equally, same as OU-Texas.
In Dallas, the split is down the 50-yard lines. But in Jacksonville, the split is in the end zones, giving each team its own fans down the entire sidelines. In the 1980s, Jacksonville separated the Gators and Bulldogs fans every other section, making for quite the panoramic scene.
There are other differences.
While Dallas is virtually equidistance between Norman (190 miles) and Austin (195), not so for Georgia-Florida. Jacksonville is 71 miles from Gainesville, Florida, but 338 miles from Athens, Georgia.
Florida-Georgia actually went home-and-home in 1994 and 1995, when the Gator Bowl stadium was being renovated into a National Football League coliseum for the Jaguars. OU-Texas has been played at the State Fair of Texas for 91 straight years.
Some say the arrival of the Jags saved Florida-Georgia for Jacksonville, since the antiquated Gator Bowl was not going to last much longer.
The Fair itself creates the most unique setting for a football game in America. Florida-Georgia is known as the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party (there are indoor cocktail parties bigger?), with its massive tailgating scene surrounding the stadium parking lots hard by the St. John’s River.
But OU-Texas has the revelry of the nation’s largest state fair, with the Midway and exhibit halls and livestock shows surrounding the ancient stadium.
Georgia-Florida was played three times in Jacksonville before 1933, when it became the permanent home of the series. The series was interrupted in 1943, due to World War II.
OU-Texas was played six times in Dallas before 1929, when Fair Park became the permanent home, and it has not been interrupted since.
Georgia-Florida creates about $2 million in net revenue for each university. The OU-Texas windfall is closer to $4 million, in part because the Cotton Bowl capacity is up to 96,000 for that game, about 20,000 more than the reconfigured TIAA Bank Field.
At SEC Media Days, first-year Florida coach Billy Napier was non-committal on the issue, saying it was “above my pay grade.
“I think the big thing is I want to experience the game first. I'd like to see that game in Jacksonville, experience that game, before I have an opinion on that. There's a lot of credibility to both.
“A home-and-home obviously would be fantastic. But there's also some tradition there, a rivalry there. Time will tell.”
In fairness, there have been times throughout history when either OU or Texas seemed less than sold on keeping their game in Dallas. That has changed over the last 15 years, though. Both seem gung-ho on maintaining the State Fair tradition.
Georgia and Florida seem to feel the same, Kirby Smart a notable exception.
Sounds like a good fix, I like the tradition. I don't think the distance cited is any impediment. Dawg fans like to rent condos and whatnot at Jekyll and St. Simons anyway.the Big Ten would allow it
Actual home games I think are more impressive and that's where recruits play most of their games in general (though UGA doesn't get many true home games typically aside from two against pastries).
Regardless, I definitely think that if Georgia/Florida value the neutral site game and want to continue it, then they should be allowed to host recruits there. Allowing the designated home team for TX-OU to do so, has worked out just fine, for many many decades. I'm not sure why such a rule would exist in the SEC anyway.
very easy fix
What could happen is Florida regresses to being a mediocre team and goes through a sucession of poor coaches and the game becomes massively one sided.Or it could go the other way. Billy Napier turns out to be all that and Georgia regresses to good-but-not-great status.
I'd like to know the logic behind the ruleI agree.
seems silly to me
I'd guess the reason for the rule and the folks that implemented the rule are gone
that may all be true, but the Georgia coach is smart enough to know his power is at it's peak when he's just brought home a national tile for the SECYup, and if he says that recruiting is a reason to move the neutral site game to home-and-home, then there's a reason for it.
In my opinion, attending a home game as a recruit is more impressive than going to the Party. If it's not, there's another problem.It's unlikely, of course, that any major recruit would attend only that one game in Jacksonville, and not ever visit the actual campus.
If my only view of UGA football derived from a game in Jacksonville, I'd probably demur. Athens is widely regarded as one of the top college towns for good reason.
The old "Evil Saban" accusation?the SEC's version of Bobby Stoops the puppy kicker
I guess they call 'em classics for a reason.
One side issue if that UGA doesn't get many home games in a season, often just six, it can even be five, and two will be pastries.Same thing for us. Basically our best, most desirable game of each and every year, is never played at home.
The only "good" home games this season are Tenn and Auburn. Anyway, I don't think this is a real problem at all. They can do whatever.
I assume that Texas rents a hotel or two nearby the fair for recruits and their families and this is not an issue to host recruits in DallasRight, same as we would in Austin. I'd assume it's the same hotel where the team stays.
Same thing for us. Basically our best, most desirable game of each and every year, is never played at home.Yep. Same here. Although the Norman merchants disagree.
But the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, in our case.
I assume that Texas rents a hotel or two nearby the fair for recruits and their families and this is not an issue to host recruits in DallasDallas surely has more hotel space than Jacksonville does.
Yep. Same here. Although the Norman merchants disagree.Yeah there are murmurings from local Austin merchants from time to time, as well. The University, boosters, and fans, tell them to shut the hell up.
A super-quick and probably unreliable google search tells me Jacksonville has ~19,000 hotel rooms, while Dallas proper has ~30,000, with more than double that available in surrounding areas.
Dallas surely has more hotel space than Jacksonville does.
I'd guess the Texas St. fair goers gobble up more than a few hotel roomsOn TX-OU weekend it's probably a lot more than that. People end up staying pretty far out of town when they screw up and don't book early.
maybe around 10,000
There's enough high school football talent within 30 miles of the Cotton Bowl to staff a mid-level collegiate team in itself if they all went one place. Both OU and Texas enjoy having a game square in the hotbed of their own recruiting fields.Yup. Even the "Away" team can host "unofficial" visits from desirable recruits from a highly desirable recruiting ground.
One side issue if that UGA doesn't get many home games in a season, often just six, it can even be five, and two will be pastries.Are you not counting the games with FCS opponents (always played in Athens) as home games?
The only "good" home games this season are Tenn and Auburn. Anyway, I don't think this is a real problem at all. They can do whatever.
Getting a kid on campus is obviously useful (or not), but if they come to a game, it's nice to have a real game and not a beatdown.Bottom line is that it has everything to do with the recruit's schedule, and nothing to do with Georgia's home schedule.
It seems a lot of kids sign on without seeing a game in person, they take their visits in summer. Maybe they see a game later.
I really don't know how important seeing a game is for them, some no doubt, but seeing UGA smash Kent State is not going to be very exciting.
I wonder how many see a live game of any ilk. As noted, their schedules can preclude it. Maybe this is what Smart is noting, he wants another half game option for kids to be present. I noticed a lot of visits in summer, which is not unusual of course. The recruit gets more time with the coaching staff who are not "distracted" with game planning, talking to players, seeing the facilities, walking about campus and town ... the game day atmosphere is probably not that different from other major programs.The importance of homegame recruiting visits probably varies from school to school and, as you seem to suggest, it's probably less important now than it was a couple of decades ago, for various reasons.
Were it me, I'd be most interested in the coaches and how fast I can get to the League, the NIL thing could play a role obviously.
Hard to fathom that--in the SEC, of all conferences--there could so few home games in a season that are competitive.
Is that a function of peculiarities in conference scheduling?
Or is it the case that a few teams--Alabama and Georgia currently--are so far ahead of the rest of the conference that most conference games are not competitive?
I just don't see it as being advantageous to make any real changes to the current OOC scheduling philosophy. Texas has traditionally done a pretty good job of scheduling a big marquee OOC game each season, like Alabama this year and next, which I love. But I don't really want to see TWO marquee games on the OOC schedule in a year. Playing a 9-game conference schedule in a full roundrobin conference, and then having a CCG added on top of that for any real contender, is tough enough, for a team that would like to make the CFP.I too like the idea of conference-champs only in the CFP. But, then, only one SEC team would be able to be in it. Can't have that.
That's why I always liked the idea of making the CFP be conference champs only. I feel that providing a clear and objective path to the playoff, that doesn't involve your entire season basically ending the moment you lose a game, would enable more teams to schedule better OOC matchups. That's GOOD for college football. The current system encourages you to schedule patsies in your OOC and just try and win every game. That's BAD for college football.
Of course now with all of the latest round of realignment, all bets are off.
just imagine the home schedules of Big 12 teams after Texas and OU are goneI've been assured by those Big 12 fan bases that the matchups will be so compelling that TV providers will fall over each other just to own those properties. The new B12 commish is gonna do cool things and not kowtow to OU and Texas and he's gonna strongarm different outlets and leverage stuff and they'll be right there with the B10 and SEC shortly.
I too like the idea of conference-champs only in the CFP. But, then, only one SEC team would be able to be in it. Can't have that.I don't see how that could work if the CFP championship game is simply a replay of the SEC CG as is written.
But OU and Texas football outrank USC and UCLA by a significant margin. Both on the field and in the television ratings, the scoreboard that matters most.heck, this poor uneducated dirt farmer knew this all along
Greg Sankey was right.
Most SEC schools are in the Central TZ. That isn't a factor. Texas >>> USc in fan enthusiasm and attendance and eyeballs. It's not only how good you are.That was my first take too.
heck, this poor uneducated dirt farmer knew this all alongWell, then, thanks for passing it on to Berry Tramel.
Looks like the "living in your minds rent-free" list.How many of those have a hand sign which immediately identifies the school
I am 100% sure RRS recruiting will continue in the future. I believe Arkansas and A&M recruit at Jerry World every year now. Georgia and Florida have agreed not to recruit at the WLOCP because it is a pain in the ass. If one team recruits there the other will be forced to follow suit. The Cocktail Party directly ended the multimillion dollar careers of McElwain and Mullen and was the last straw for Richt. Coaches did not want to have to deal with 50-100 recruits who are not even on campus there on top of all that other pressure. The SEC office is not the problem. If it was home and home, housing, meals and transportation for recruits and their families are baked in. There is no infrastructure in place for that 300+ miles away from campus. Nevertheless, I want to keep the WLOCP and so do most other fans and let these guys just recruit around that.Georgia chooses to have option to host recruits at Florida game in Jacksonville
So, Berry Tramel got us all fired up over a rule that does not exist.Made for a clickbaity story though. I guess that's all that matters anymore.
ESPN needs contentAh yes, losing all those 11 AM games between Indiana and Illinois and Northwestern and Purdue, however will they replenish that??? :)
Did y'all ever have "Jefferson-Pilot"? Maybe that was an SEC thing. Heaven forbid your team was playing Eastern Michigan that weekWe did not, but I believe it's similar to "RayCom" network that featured a lot of the SWC games that didn't make it onto national television. Fox Sports eventually bought and absorbed RayCom, and it became Fox Sports Southwest.
The Vandy thing seems hilarious, we mused about that years ago.Yeah I'm hoping we can get Vandy as a permanent rival in the SEC so we can start evening up that series. Of course, the way Texas has played recently, that's not such a sure thing...
Did y'all ever have "Jefferson-Pilot"? Maybe that was an SEC thing. Heaven forbid your team was playing Eastern Michigan that weekI remember Jefferson-Pilot from my 15 months living in Gadsden, AL, 1968-69.
Anybody else use YoutubeTv? Been a subscriber for years, and lately I’ve noticed it doesn’t stream as smoothly. The screen freezes, and load times seem extended.I also use YTTV. I'll want to review the data, but this weekend felt like some Internet infrastructure may have been compromised. A lot of services seemed to struggle under the load.
an almost endless number of things that can affect the performance of streamingObviously it could be any number of things, which is why I asked if anyone else has YTTV and is seeing the same issues.
are you connected to the TV wirelessly?
Do you have a Roku or "other" box that has some memory that can buffer?
If not many times rebooting the TV can free up the limited memory of the Smart TV
do you run speed tests when you experience these issues to see if it's the ISP limitation?
Are you fed from the ISP with Fiber?
Obviously, it could simply be the youtube server that can't keep up
Obviously it could be any number of things, which is why I asked if anyone else has YTTV and is seeing the same issues.I'd check for wifi interference from another devise nearby with the wireless channel. Perhaps try changing the wireless channel or shutting down devices that may have been added lately.
To answer your questions: Wireless (as it has been for ~10 years)
No Roku, piped straight into the smart TV.
I have done speed tests at some points. Have not seen a problem.
We have a fiber connection, which is awesome considering our town's population is less than 5,000. 100 MBPS.
Bummer but expectedIt's in the best interests of the SEC to ensure OU matchups with Georgia, Alabama, Florida, etc. They'll make sure it happens often enough to keep it interesting.
It's in the best interests of the SEC to ensure OU matchups with Georgia, Alabama, Florida, etc. They'll make sure it happens often enough to keep it interesting.I like that idea too, and--from my distant vantage point--I think that's how it's going to be.
Same thing goes for Texas, of course.
I'm really coming around to the idea of each team having three perma-rivals, that are unique, instead of pods which might lock some teams into annual matchups that are less desirable for them and their fanbases. Just because it's absolutely perfect for Texas to play OU, TAMU, and Arkansas every year, doesn't mean the Ags share the same desire to play Texas, OU, and Arkansas. Creating some flexibility via perma-rivals will make for more interesting matchups longterm. My opinion, of course.
Apparently, Greg Sankey (SEC commish) said over the weekend that the fact that the UT @ Bama game for 2023 has not been canceled is a good indicator that OU and Texas will not be entering the SEC before the 2023 season.did you mean before 2024
did you mean before 2024No.
ESPN could write a check to FOX, but we know that's the absolute last thing they want to do. And FOX would REALLY stick it to them on the amount.Ed Zachary,
not likely a tall
It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?
From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.
I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.
If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.
* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."
It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?Seems like we had a few posters over the years that used the oSu without any repercussion, just like the aTm is frequently used. Weren't there a few more oSu posters over the years?
From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.
I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.
If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.
* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."
it's really a good financial model to keep an instate rival game goingAgree, of course.
I don't necessarily agree with this, though. Right here a few posts up, C-Dubb is telling us he doesn't really value that rivalry. I've heard similar from other Oklahoma fans. So I don't think it's correct to say that "it's great for fans of the two state schools." Some might care, others have stated they do not.
and obviously it's great for the fans of the two state schools
yup, big brother usually doesn't value the game because of the risk reward
little brother LOVES the game for the risk reward
but, if truth be told, big brother would miss beating up on little brother eventually
you have to admit, beating the Aggies was some good fun for Horns fans
nothing quite as regional as in-state!
What I will appreciate is that when Texas comes aboard, the LHN will die an overdue death, so I am reliably informed.My annual "one month half off" Sling trial program is coming to an end in a few days. They carry LHN, so I essentially pay $18 to get to watch 2 games, then cancel.
Three games so far this year, and we couldn't watch two of them. The wins, no less.
You might wonder why I care, well Mrs. DeTiger is a Longhorn, and you know what they say, happy wife, happy life.
To exacerbate her weekend, CBS had the Cowboys game--the object of her NFL fandom--and for some reason put it in the same time slot as the Texans. Meaning we got Texans/Broncos and the Cowboys game was not available. I have never seen that in all my years living in or near Texas.
I'm a sucker for in-state rivalries and any with a lot of history. I'm an oddball, though, and probably don't represent "the college football world." I really like U-Dubb/Wazzu, Oregon/Or. St., ASU/Zona....all those. Not sure how many games they've played how often, but they've all played every year that I've been paying attention.In the remote hinterlands, far from the center of SEC power, comes this tale that we hear all the time. The SEC isn't going to have divisions and it isn't going to go to pods. Each team will have three permanent rivals and will play six other teams in home-and-home series, rotating after two years to play the remaining six teams in the same manner. It sounds much like a pod system, except that each team has different permanent rivals.
Ergo, I like the OU/oSu game.
I expect everything to annoy me eventually, as the college sport shortly achieves it's not-so-slow march to being the NFL Part 2.
Pretty sure the SEC is going to go to pods and we're going to lose our annual games with the Alabama schools and at least one of the Mississippi schools. Ugh. A&M is still weird as a conference game, but I welcome it because LSU/A&M was always fun growing up.
It's hard for me to measure how "iconic" the Bedlam rivalry is. Does College Football Nation really care about it?There was much discussion of this topic on sports radio today. FWIW, OU is maintaining that it would like the series to continue. So far, oSu has not rebutted this claim.
From my perspective, it's a game that OU plays every year (usually near the end of the season) and nearly always wins. When OU wins, there's not much to brag about, as that's the norm. But when oSu* wins, Poke fans crow about it for years.
I suspect that the Pokes are secretly glad to see it go, even though the only time they sell out their 55,000-seat stadium is when Bedlam is played in Stillwater. They're going to be positioned as one of the top 2-3 programs in the Big 12-to-be, and an almost-annual loss to OU could mess up their CFP hopes. The oSu administration has not indicated any desire to continue it as an OOC rivalry on either an annual or occasional basis. OU might be willing to play oSu in a home-and-home series every decade or so, but to do it as an annual series does not fit in with its scheduling philosophy.
If OU were to establish an annual OOC series, I'd like it to be with Nebraska, not oSu.
* No disrespect intended. It's my simulation of the Oklahoma State University "brand" to avoid confusion, as there are two other "OSU's."
LSU's permanent opponents (per that chart) might not meet with unbridled enthusiasm in Baton Rouge. Maybe Mike DeTiger could comment on that.
Permanent rivals or not you’re still going to play a lot of the SEC teams every year. IMO it will be better than what we have now. We’ve been in the SEC 10 years and only played UGa once. Never in CS. I think the direction I’m hearing is every team will play each other home and away at least once twice every four years.
If what we are talking about--no divisions, no pods, 3 permanent rivals, games with 6 of the non-rival teams each year--becomes fact, every team will play every other team at least twice every 4 years.It really does seem like the best possible outcome from a limited selection of palatable options. Lemonade out of lemons so to speak.
That's pretty good.
If what we are talking about--no divisions, no pods, 3 permanent rivals, games with 6 of the non-rival teams each year--becomes fact, every team will play every other team at least twice every 4 years.
That's pretty good.
I wonder how the SEC CG would be handled in this proposed format.yer asking the experts - :57:
Like I said, it has its pros and cons. I really do like the idea of playing the eastern teams more often, and the B12 newcomers too. otoh, losing either/both of the Alabama schools or even MSU annually....well, how did Sooners feel when Nebraska got relegated to 2 out of every 4 years? Just not the same, I'd wager.My "seal of approval" was from the perspective of the new teams entering the conference. I understand why the 14 teams already there could view it differently.
fwiw, we could've been seeing cross-division schools more often as it is. The tie-ins were done to preserve Bama/Tenn and UGA/AU, but I've seen models that locked those games in yet allowed everyone else to rotate without tie-ins. But the SEC generally lacks that sort of cleverness.SEC scheduling--to this outsider--has forever been like Churchill's description of the USSR: "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." Some teams played each other every year for decades, while others went decades without playing each other. And that was even before expansion and the formation of divisions.
I wonder how the SEC CG would be handled in this proposed format.
LSU has really had our number in the SEC, winning 2 and losing the other 9. There have been some close matches, and some LSU blowouts as well. Even when LSU was not having a great year they seemed to be able to pull out a win one way or another.
UT, LSU, Arky would be a tough draw in many years relatively speaking.
They might prefer Mizzou in the mix.
UT, LSU, Arky would be a tough draw in many years relatively speaking.maybe, Arky wasn't that good only a few seasons ago, and I'm not going to talk about the Horns here.
maybe, Arky wasn't that good only a few seasons ago, and I'm not going to talk about the Horns here.
Well, OK, the Horns do seem to have some voodoo stuff over the Aggies
2-9 is actually pretty impressive, mathematically, considering A&M and LSU have met only 10 times as SEC-mates.Mea culpa. I counted the 2011 bowl game, one year before we started sec play.
I appreciate trying to give us the extra win, but if we're going that route, LSU is actually 11-2 against the Aggies in that span, due to 2018 wherein the Tigers won the game 3 times before losing it.
I have been under a misimpression. I have thought that the 2023 and 2024 schedules would be mirror images of each other, but apparently not so. The goal is that all 14 teams will play each other at least once over the course of the two years.
That assumes that OU and Texas are staying through the 2024-25 academic year, of course.
Surely they can't make the schools play a bunch of away games just because other schools "want their pound of flesh." That would be disaster on AD revenue and surely there's precautions in place for that, and legal recourse if it's not honored.No they can't make us play any more than half our conference games away.
So, I expect that the "traditional" B12 schools are going to want to get their final pound of flesh from TX and OU by having them at home next year in 2023, regardless of where the games were played in 2022. I'd expect our departing schools to get screwed pretty hard on scheduling, which is just one more reason the university presidents and ADs of TX and OU can't afford to linger another year after that.FWIW, that is not my interpretation of the announcement, but I suppose it could turn out that way.
FWIW, that is not my interpretation of the announcement, but I suppose it could turn out that way.I'm not taking any of that from the announcement. I don't think the B12 would ever actually announce any intentions to screw over TX and OU.
So, you're saying that OU's and Texas' home games in 2023 (and presumably 2024) will be disproportionately against the new schools, so, ergo, their road games will be disproportionately against the current Big 12 members?Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying. Time will tell, of course.
We'll see. I think that it's going to be difficult enough to draw up the schedule without deliberately screwing OU and Texas in the process.
Texas, Oklahoma SEC-bound in 2024 as tone shifts in Big 12? What we’re hearing.
At the Big 12’s basketball media day in October, new commissioner Brett Yormark spoke definitively about Oklahoma and Texas’ timeline for joining the SEC. “They’re going to be here through ‘25,” he told reporters. “They’ve committed themselves in advance of me getting here, and they’ve reiterated that commitment (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/news/texas-oklahoma-sec-realignment/LlIwChd5ooJI/).”
Behind the scenes, though, that’s no longer the case.
Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that discussions have been ongoing for several months regarding the Red River rivals leaving the Big 12 a year earlier than planned, in time for the 2024 football season. Big 12 officials held a meeting last week in Las Vegas, and in the portion of the meeting in which Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte and Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione were recused because officials were discussing future business, “momentum” emerged for an early exit, according to an administrator within the SEC. An administrator within the Big 12 confirmed that the tone in the league regarding this topic shifted following that meeting.
“They’re definitely engaged on it and moving towards something where they will leave after next season,” a Big 12 school official said.
“It’s likely they are leaving early,” said a person with knowledge of the discussions.
One Big 12 school official said he believes there will be resolution in a matter of weeks, not months, and that the issue may be contributing to a delay in releasing the league’s 2023 football schedule. That official echoed others who believe an earlier divorce would benefit all parties involved.
The Action Network first reported (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/oklahoma-texas-gaining-momentum-to-leave-big-12-join-sec-early-2024?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=BrettMcMurphy) on the discussions.
The timing of such a move would make sense on several fronts. The SEC’s new television deal with ESPN begins that season. So will the 12-team College Football Playoff. And if it happens, the SEC’s expansion to 16 teams would coincide with the Big Ten’s, with the league adding USC and UCLA in ’24 (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/4003755/2022/12/14/uc-board-of-regents-ucla-big-ten/). Meanwhile, four new schools — BYU (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/byu-cougars-college-football/), Cincinnati (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/cincinnati-bearcats-college-football/), Houston (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/houston-cougars-college-football/) and UCF (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/ucf-knights-college-football/) — will be beginning Big 12 play next season.
But there are several hurdles still to be cleared in the negotiations among the various parties. Here’s where things stand, based on conversations this week with numerous sources.
Why were Texas (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/texas-longhorns-college-football/) and Oklahoma (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/oklahoma-sooners-college-football/) waiting until 2025?
At the time the schools announced their intent to leave the Big 12, in July 2021, they remained bound by the conference’s Grant of Rights for another four years. Both schools announced then and have consistently reiterated since then their intent to honor that commitment, ostensibly to avoid incurring hefty buyout fees.
According to the Big 12’s bylaws, a departing member would forfeit its final two years of conference revenue distributions. Given the conference distributed an average $42.6 million per school in 2021-22 and those payouts usually increase annually, each school’s bill could conceivably approach $90 million.
However, negotiations are underway to determine a reduced amount that would satisfy both the conference and Oklahoma and Texas. The programs will see a significant increase in revenue once they join the SEC.
Why would the Big 12 agree to a reduced buyout?
Multiple sources indicated that both sides are eager to move on from each other. The Big 12’s new members arrive next season, creating an awkward two-year period with 14 schools, and the league recently gained clarity on its financial future post-Oklahoma/Texas, signing a six-year $2.28 billion extension with ESPN and Fox that will begin in 2025.
But the remaining members won’t let OU and Texas go if it means seeing their 2024-25 check from the conference dip. The league’s network partners would be owed compensation for lost value in that final year of their current contracts — and Texas and Oklahoma happen to be the most valuable members. Former commissioner Bob Bowlsby told the Texas state legislature last year that the two schools account for roughly 50 percent of the current contract’s value, which as of 2019-20 was worth about $25 million per school.
More often than not, when a school leaves a conference, the two sides wind up negotiating a reduced exit fee.
Texas A&M and Missouri (https://archive.ph/o/jFUfP/https://theathletic.com/college-football/team/missouri-tigers-college-football/) each paid a reduced fee of $12.4 million to leave the Big 12 in 2012, about half the full penalty at the time. Cincinnati, Houston and UCF agreed to $18 million settlements with the AAC earlier this year. A person familiar with the discussions suggested that number amounts to about 1.75x the media revenue they would have received from the AAC over two years.
“So that’s $45 million or $50 million (for a Big 12 school) right there.”
What role do ESPN and Fox play in these decisions?
While neither TV partner can force a conference member to stay or leave, they directly impact the negotiations.
Fox’s part is fairly straightforward. It will expect a substantial makegood if Texas and Oklahoma leave early. Worth noting: Fox has the first pick of Big 12 games in 2024, and that pick is often the Red River Showdown. A reduced payment amount or some other financial compensation would need to be negotiated.
ESPN, meanwhile, will own those schools’ 2024 rights whether they remain in the Big 12 or move to the SEC. There’s long been speculation the network would want OU and Texas in the SEC sooner to be part of the Game of the Week package that currently airs on CBS. ESPN is paying a reported $330 million a year for that game alone.
However, those rights would be a lot less expensive if the schools remain in the Big 12 for another year. SEC schools made $54.6 million in conference revenue last year compared with $42.6 million for Big 12 schools, and that number will increase with the new ESPN deal. And the SEC is attempting to renegotiate that deal to an even higher number, the SEC administrator said, as it was completed before Texas and Oklahoma signed on, and because it will likely soon go from eight to nine conference games.
How will this all play out?
Two Big 12 ADs expressed confidence a deal would be reached. Simply put, they need OU and Texas to agree to a high enough exit fee to make the remaining members and their network partners whole.
A person with knowledge of the discussions believes they’ll get there.
“The compensation for (leaving early) would cancel out a gap that exists in their television deals for the remaining eight that were original Big 12 members,” he said.
A noteworthy landmark is fast approaching. Per Big 12 bylaws, a member must give at least an 18-month notice of its departure date. That letter would have to arrive by Dec. 31 if they intend to join the SEC on July 1, 2024.
But like all things in realignment, that, too, could be negotiated.
One of the in-state sports radio guys was discussing how the Big 12 might stick it to OU and Texas on their way out the door the other day.
One of the suggested possibilities was that the conference schedule--whenever it is released--would not have OU and Texas scheduled to play each other in 2023. So the two schools would have to cancel previous commitments with OOC opponents to make the RRS a non-conference game. And the Big 12 would still have a lucrative showpiece game for TV.
Re the Athletic piece, there's nothing particularly awkward about a 14-team conference. The B1G and the SEC have made that number work for quite some time. If the parties wanted a 2-year run (flipping home and away games) with 14 teams, it would not be an inordinate challenge to schedule.
Scheduling-wise, that would seem to be preferable to a 1-year run, where everything has to be done over again after the 2023 season.
But ease of scheduling does not seem to be what is actually driving the train. The "awkwardness" of scheduling 14 teams would seem to be a red herring.
not sure why the horns and sooners would have to worry about currently scheduled non-con gamesIF the RRS were to be an OOC game, OU and UT would have to drop one of their already-scheduled OOC games.
the date of their game and contract with the cotton bowl wouldn't have to change - just change to non-con
oh, I see... the Big 12 commish schedules Texas to play in Ames on that date.
I'd guess the TV wonks would step in if they thought they might lose some decent content and therefore some $$$
I can see the Big 12 being petty, but both UT and OU can just walk away if they so choose. So they can’t push them too far.its only money
pretty easy
Sept 2nd - Texas drops Rice - Sooners drop Arkansas State
or
Sept 16 - Texas drops Wyoming - Sooners drop Tulsa
Cause we all know the Horns are looking forward to their trip to Tuscaloosa on Sept 9th
Fox & ESPN love it
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/early-exit-for-texas-oklahoma-to-sec-could-be-aided-by-future-nonconference-games-at-big-12-stadiums/
ESPN will have the Texas and OU content either way, they're effectively neutral. It's Fox that stands to lose, or not. They're the one where negotiations are taking place.None of the "expert" analysts seem to have caught that point.
None of the "expert" analysts seem to have caught that point.Which is precisely why I have such a low opinion of the "expert" analysts.
Do the fans of these teams generally support the move? I guess it's a done deal anyway.I'd say it's a Gaussian distribution among Texas fans I know personally. Most support it, at least reluctantly. Then there are a few on the tails on either side-- a couple enthusiastically support it, and a couple actively hate it.
Yeah, I knew practical considerations were foremost, and I can see fans being sort of split. I see it as mostly good for both programs, aside from the money. The first couple of years could be tough, but then Mizzou moved in and won the East twice in a row.For Texas it'll be great to get back to playing more regularly against historical rivals Texas A&M and Arkansas.
And y'all can perhaps spiff up the moribund SEC site here ....
OU-Arkansas always seemed like a very natural potential rivalry to me.Yeah, it probably is.
Rednecks vs HillbilliesRidiculous
In 1971, Tulsa trailed 20-0 going into the 4th quarter, and came back to win 21-20 in a game I followed on the radio. I can still remember next day's headline in the Tulsa World: "BURNT BACON IN FAYETTEVILLE!" That was the happiest memory I have of a college football outcome to that point in my life.I remember that game well. IIRC Arkansas was ranked in the top 5 going into the game but fell to #9 after and finished unranked. I was working in Ft. Smith and had to listen to all the Hog fan nonsense. I remember walking into work on Monday with a big grin on my face and my coworkers shouting in unison "DON'T SAY IT!" Happy times indeed.
1971 was a very good seasonYep.
RidiculousThe plastic hog-helmet is even "better"--meaning "more unspeakable."
(https://i.imgur.com/9t5KBGo.png)
vs unspeakable
(https://i.imgur.com/fS2rTMm.png)
one of my fav shows growing upYeah, it was really well-done. It's still funny all these decades later, in a way that its semi-spinoffs like Maude and Sanford and Son are not.
Yeah, it was really well-done. It's still funny all these decades later, in a way that its semi-spinoffs like Maude and Sanford and Son are not.
But one line from the song bugged me.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
Maybe Archie's old La Salle ran great, but he did not vote for Herbert Hoover.
He surely voted for Nixon in '68 and '72, but in 1932, he just as surely voted for FDR.
He might not have voted for Al Smith in 1928 (if he was old enough to vote), because Al Smith was a Catholic. He would have had to choose his poison--vote for a Catholic, vote for a Republican, or just abstain from the two horrible choices.
Heh! I just realized that the video clip had the "complete version" of the theme song. Some lines I never heard before were in there.
Are you saying Sanford and Son is NOT funny?This is the big one!
Are you saying Sanford and Son is NOT funny?Yes.
I don't think Sanford and Sons was a Family spinoff. Perhaps you were thinking of The Jeffersons?You're right about Sanford and Son. It wasn't a spinoff of All in the Family.
Sanford and Sons was a US version of the British Steptoe and Sons.
Are you saying Sanford and Son is NOT funny?yes, it's hilarious
Yes.
yes, it's hilarious
Maybe I'll give it a watch. I'm assuming you can find it on AMC or TNT or something?I'd try MeTV or GetTV. Nothing but oldies on those channels.
The Big 12's 2023 football schedule was supposed to be out a month ago. Then it was going to be a week or two late.
No word since then (as far as I know) on when it might be published.
A major sticking point, per OKC sports media, still seems to be about OU and UT, after joining the SEC, playing away games vs. at least some of the remaining Big 12 members to make up for those programs' lost gate revenue.
I didn't put that very well. It seems that the remaining schools themselves are not in total agreement on the subject.Yes, the contracts state that we owe two years no matter what, when we leave.
So, will OU and UT still owe the 2 years of distributions even if they stay until 2025? The by-the-book answer is that they will, I believe.
The Big 10 and the SEC almost NEVER play each other OOC, especially in the early season. Same goes for the Big 12/Big 10.Most SEC OOC games are against the ACC, many are in state "rivalry games". UGA has played Oklahoma State in years past, but they seem to schedule Pac 12 teams more often than Big 12 teams.
I don't know why, it just is.
Most SEC OOC games are against the ACC, many are in state "rivalry games". UGA has played Oklahoma State in years past, but they seem to schedule Pac 12 teams more often than Big 12 teams.A&M plays a lot of PAC teams. In recent times we've played UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State. We also play a lot of ACC as mentioned, with Miami this year and last year and Clemson has been on the schedule very recently.
I think everyone should play ten P5 opponents each year, or more.
This change has murdered our schedule next year, no OOC games of any note now except "Tech" (if that is notable). UGA dropped OU of course (not their fault). Folks will be whining that UGA didn't play anyone.Our schedule too. We've got an OOC lineup of Arkansas State, SMU, and at Tulsa. We lost the game with UGA scheduled for this year, plus the return game down the road, plus two games each with Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU.
The Big 10 and the SEC almost NEVER play each other OOC, especially in the early season. Same goes for the Big 12/Big 10.
I don't know why, it just is.
True, but despite the drawbacks and failings of our recent ADs, business sense has not part of that list.
They must be making it worth the bottom line to the department to do a game like that, moreso than having a home game one year and giving one up the next for a HaH.
I'm not privy to the numbers, but they're aren't doing it to lose money.
I just wish they'd take one for the fans, so to speak. Especially with the Wisconsin thing. However much the corporate overloads paid the Badgers and Tigers, my head spins when I think about how much LSU could make on its own for the Badgers coming to town. I'd like to think it would be a similar situation in Madison if LSU came. Our base gets really pumped up to see name teams come in who we rarely ever see. I imagine it's the same at other schools.
We did a 'not-home and not-home' with Wisconsin. Instead of welcoming the Badgers to Death Valley and getting to watch the crazy cajuns play at the most raucous Big Ten stadium, instead we were subjected to games at Lambeau (Wisconsin's "home" game) and NRG (LSU's "home" game, which, WTF, it's not even Louisiana....could've at least done the Superdome).The college stadium environment becomes less and less of a consideration as CFB becomes more and more the NFL-Lite. As an example, consider where the NCG was held a couple of weeks ago--in an NFL stadium in the part of the country that cares the least about CFB.
Getting the Badgers ooc was great. But they totally whiffed on a key selling point of college football, which is the college stadium environment.
We've done a lot of one-offs with the ACC and home-and-homes with the PAC, and WVU when they were still Big East, but yeah.....rarely anything with the Big Ten. I'm still irked they screwed it up.
Years ago we did a HandH with Ohio State, but while it's not before my time, it's before games were always on tv and before I would remember much, or care.
. . . It's why I laugh at all the people who suggest the TX-OU game would ever go to JerryWorld if it left the Cotton Bowl. There's absolutely zero chance that Texas big money would be willing to sacrifice their luxury suites and instead be forced to rent them from the carpetbagger from Arkansas. If the series ever leaves the Cotton Bowl, it'll go home-and-home.Yep.
How much money do big neutral-site CFB games pay out? - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/31/16175676/neutral-site-games-money-payouts-million-revenue)Per the article:
If you’re a power playing another power, you can make as much as $6 million. But it moves downward from there.
Per the article:
But that was in 2017. Surely it is much more than that now, as everything else involving money in CFB has ballooned in the last five years.
Perhaps that. And then to utee's point about UT taking in $15 mil for a home game, assuming LSU makes something comparable to that, they don't lose another home date in another year as they would for a HandH. They can either get paid again to do another neutral site one-off, or bring in another punching bag.
The FSU thing is odd, though. I've never seen LSU do two of these in a row with the same team.
Actually I just looked it up.....the contract is available via the lsu.edu domain, and it appears both LSU and Florida St. were paid $5.1 mil for last year's game, assuming they sold all their contracted allotment of tickets. I'd imagine the game this year will be similar for both teams.
A si.com article states that LSU made an average of $5.14 million per home game for ticket sales in 2019. I can't find what concessions, parking, merch, etc. add up to.
I guess getting paid $5.1 mil twice is better than making $Xmil once? I dunno. The math has to be there somewhere.
Tickets are going for $150 for a big game? amazing
That might be your average home game, but what is your max home game?At OU, the official ticket price is the same for all games. But some of the less-in-demand games feature discounts. For example, for one of the least-demanded home conference games each year, OU offers tickets discounted 50% as a teacher-appreciation promotion. And you don't have to be a teacher. You can be a family member or friend. Or casual acquaintance. Or in the same ZIP code, for all I know, as I never had to verify my teacher status.
I don't know how it works at LSU (or anywhere else), but at UT, the face value of the ticket is dramatically higher for a big name, than it is for, say, Kanas. Face value for a UT home game ticket to see a big OOC opponent like FSU would be around $150. To see Kansas, more like $60.
So, 100,000 seats x $150 per ticket, brings you to $15M gross in gate receipts alone, without counting concessions, parking, merchandise, etc. That's the opportunity cost of losing a home game at UT.
*Edit-- I realize the gross gate receipts are revenue and not profit, but I'm assuming that excluding all of the concessions and other gross revenues roughly offsets the cost of operating the stadium for a home game.
What did LSU tix go for when the Tigers played in DKR in 2019? Had covid not screwed us out of the return game, I can see the Longhorns running our tickets up to near that on face, at least for the better seats. Especially if they were expected to be good and/or ranked.
There's a pretty wide swing in the face value of our tickets based on location in the stadium.
I couldn't find the right article, but one claimed the NS games make more money for a team than a H&H series.Some helmet teams charge a lot less than Texas does, for tickets. I'd believe it could be possible for those teams, to make more off the neutral site games.
They are easier to schedule of course. The OU-UGA series was slated for 2023 and then 2030 or something for the return.
Yeah, I see UGA ticket prices are $61, but you have to donate to the Hartman Fund to get them.
It's pretty obscure how it works. You donate and hope it was enough ...
I'm sure the merchants in the dallas area love the red river game held in the stadiumThe ones in Norman certainly do.
I'm sure the merchants near the campus in Austin and Norman hate it
I'm sure the merchants in the dallas area love the red river game held in the stadium
I'm sure the merchants near the campus in Austin and Norman hate it
I'm given to understand that, at one time, Austin was also a "sleepy college town". They got excited about growth in the early 80's when Texas Instruments set up shop. They started development, and were left holding the bag when TI split shortly thereafter.As recently as the 1980 census, Tulsa had a larger population than Austin--360,919 to 345,890. Since then, Austin has grown (per the 2020 census) to 961,855, while Tulsa has merely crept up to 413,066. Those figures are for the cities proper. I'm sure there's a similar, perhaps even larger, disparity in the metro areas.
When I got there in 1990, they were growing again. It seems the TI fiasco left such a bad memory that they were determined to delay expansion of public utilities - fearing another collapse. That clearly didn't happen. They ended up about 15 years behind where they should have been.
I'm given to understand that, at one time, Austin was also a "sleepy college town". They got excited about growth in the early 80's when Texas Instruments set up shop. They started development, and were left holding the bag when TI split shortly thereafter.
When I got there in 1990, they were growing again. It seems the TI fiasco left such a bad memory that they were determined to delay expansion of public utilities - fearing another collapse. That clearly didn't happen. They ended up about 15 years behind where they should have been.
I'm not moving the AustinThank You For Your Support
That's how I felt about College Station in Texas. I'm pretty sure the university came first and the town grew around it, and I always thought if the university blipped out of existence the economy would crumble and it would go back to being a giant cow pasture.That’s literally how the town got its name. The train stop was called College Station.
That’s literally how the town got its name. The train stop was called College Station.
The city next door, Bryan, is about 100,000 strong. I’m pretty sure it would do ok with or without. Last I looked the B/CS was about 250,000 strong.
Chapel Hill, NC has a "suburb" called Carrboro, originally a mill town, literally across the tracks, and I lived there for the same reasons.You lived on "the wrong side of the tracks."
My rent for a while was $135 for a one bedroom apartment that was fairly newish. I would walk across the tracks to get on a bus to get to campus.
ESPN owned like a 60% stake in the Big 12. They got to pick first, but they also have a stake in the SEC. Their overall value will largely continue.
Fox owns the other 40%. They came in second best, and relied on having a Texas or OU property to pick from in most weeks.
I think Fox believes, and rightly so, that they're gonna lose practically their entire investment in the Big 12 once Texas and OU leave (that is, the #2 game isn't worth sending a crew to). They're trying to figure out some way to mollify Fox. That'll be tough to do.
What concessions will Fox be willing to make and what do they expect in return? Then, how does that affect what the B12 attempts to recover from Texas and OU? And finally, what are Texas and OU willing to pay, to satisfy the B12's desired recovery?Aye, that is the question.
I really think CFB would be much better off it UT went to the B1G. It would give the B1G a much more diverse footprint, get them into the south, and IMO be a better fit. Obviously geographical issues are there, but they exist within the SEC as well.Neither conference is full, both are likely to go to 20+ eventually.
Maybe the B1G is just "full" at this point? I feel like the SEC is full at 14.
Neither conference is full, both are likely to go to 20+ eventually.I'd still like to play annually, starting about 2031.
But it doesn't make any sense for Texas to go to the B1G, and it's not going to happen. The only "rumors" folks might be hearing, are no doubt coming from click-baiting $9.95ers who are desperate to try and steal your money.
I'd still like to play annually, starting about 2031.If you're talking about Texas-TAMU, then I'd be pretty surprised if it's not an annual game from the moment Texas joins the conference. It's not as nationally important as some rivalries in the conference and around the country, but it's going to draw more TV viewers than TAMU-Ole Miss or Texas-Miss State would, so the SEC will want to feature it.
Texas is a better fit in the B1G, but that's not going to happen. They were perfect in the Big 12/SWC, but those programs don't turn on TV sets, and recruits straight up told the Texas brass, "Ya'll got an awesome program! I'd love to go here, but the SEC puts players in the League.". Mock the S-E-C chants all you like, Lord knows I do, but the kids go where they can get seen and get drafted.Yup. And this idea of cultural or academic "fit" in an athletic conference is a strange notion, anyway.
Texas had to move, and the SEC made the deal. Now that NIL makes paying players not only legal but highly encouraged, Texas should be a good fit.
If you're talking about Texas-TAMU, then I'd be pretty surprised if it's not an annual game from the moment Texas joins the conference. It's not as nationally important as some rivalries in the conference and around the country, but it's going to draw more TV viewers than TAMU-Ole Miss or Texas-Miss State would, so the SEC will want to feature it.Oh when Texas joins the sec we’ll play in Year 1 for sure.
Oh when Texas joins the sec we’ll play in Year 1 for sure.Ha! Then I guess you're on the wrong thread my friend. :)
I'm still hoping they go to the Big10.
My dream is over. Alas, re-united again. Now which Pod do you want?the one with UT OU A&M and either Arkansas or LSU
I want UT(BO), LSU, and Ole Miss.what is BO
Anyway, it's good to get the departure date settled, and for it to be sooner rather than later.i c w u d t
I saw that somewhere and thought it'd be OK. I didn't spend any time on it for obvious reasons.Yeah it seems to cover most of the SEC rivalries that I know about, but admittedly I'm no expert on SEC rivalries and there could be some glaring problems with the proposal.
OU-Mississippi State would not light my candle. There's no history there.Yeah I was definitely thinking Arkansas would be a better fit for OU than would MSU. But I don't know enough to really have an opinion on the matter.
I'd rather see Arkansas or Tennessee in that slot.
I think that was because no one was left after pinning the "important" rivalries.In a 3+6+6, you'd play each of us twice every 4 years.
More important to me I think is how often we'd get to play Texas or OU.
what is BOWell, since there are now two UT's in conference, I was going to say orange UT, but then I realized that it was really UT Burnt Orange.
| Dear Longhorn Nation, |
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Well, since there are now two UT's in conference, I was going to say orange UT, but then I realized that it was really UT Burnt Orange.Yeah now that we're gonna be in the SEC, I guess I'll have to figure out some way to determine whether we're playing the Tigers, the Tigers, the Tigers, or the Bulldogs, or the Bulldogs.
Well, since there are now two UT's in conference, I was going to say orange UT, but then I realized that it was really UT Burnt Orange.Im not too keen on UT (BO) I like Horns or Vols
Im not too keen on UT (BO) I like Horns or VolsOr Texas and Tennessee. Or UTex and UTenn.
Here's another wild arse guess, this one includes the 6+6 each school would play in addition to the 3 perma-rivals:
the real UTat least we dont call our school The Texas University
He's a nice graphical representation of one person's opinion of what the 3 perma-rivals should be for each school. I predict that between now and the time the official schedule is released, approximately 3.8 million such graphics will be produced.
(https://i.imgur.com/CjwzhPx.png)
Well that's just ridiculous.The chart that showed permanent OOC rivals had OU playing oSu. I don't believe that's going to happen. Not for awhile, anyway. The Poke-Aggies aren't letting go of their sense of betrayal, and they have stated that they won't continue the rivalry as an OOC series. I supposed that could change in the future.
Nebraska isn't anywhere to be found in OU's perma-rivals. Burn it and start over.
Re: Florida's not having any die-if-you-lose rivalries other than UGA, I'm just guessing, but I suspect both sides on Florida and UTenn would want to keep that game. Those guys have seemed to be bitter rivals for as long as I've been alive. Every Vol and Gator I know really wants to win that game every year, and to win it you gotta play it. However, that game is included in this proposed graphic, so moot point. I wonder how UTenn and UGA would feel about not playing annually? Cincy? Drew?Now that you mention it, I remember the Ole Ball Coach tweeking Tennessee at every opportunity.
In the meantime, I'd be as happy as a pig in slop if Nebraska could become our permanent OOC rivalry.me too
Presto! Voila!
yup, gonna be a culture change for the arrogant rich LonghornsThats funny coming from a Husker whose team completely disappeared when they went to the Big
redheaded stepchild status at best
I have experience
you're about to get some
Eh, Texas has sucked for over a decade in the B12. Sucking in a new ZIP code won't feel that much different.the Huskers were sucking in the 12 before they left
Yer gonna have to try harder than that if ya really wanna stir this pot.
Back to the Horn-tweaking-the-Aggies chart:
(https://i.imgur.com/j4zwgeb.png)
I saw something the other day and dismissed it. "Even/Odd" years for the non-permanent opponents to meet. Apparently, if you play NPO1 in 2024, you play NPO1 again in 2026, not in 2025, the way we did it in the original Big 12 structure.
4 - 4?11 conf games a year 7 div games and 4 other div games play every team in other div in two years
Zero chance of going to 11 conference games. It's going to be tough enough to get the SECSECSEC to go to 9 conference games.never say never where money is concerned
never say never where money is concernedYou're dreaming.
You're dreaming.I remember when it was a 10 game season and I remember when the 10 became 11 and I remember when the 11 became 12
But dream on, dream on, dream until your dreams come true.
agreedGiven a 16-team conference:
and it will enhance the $$$ from the TV contract
as would going to 10 conference games
better content = better money
yes, big stadiums bring in big money for home games, but TV money is even bigger
Given a 16-team conference:Im thinking 7 4-4 but ut thinks Im on pot to think that
An 8-game schedule with a 1-7-7 format would work.
A 9-game schedule with a 3-6-6 format would work.
A 10-game schedule with a 5-5-5 format would work.
I like that last arrangement, but it's not going to happen. It doesn't leave enough room to schedule the requisite patsies. Those titanic clashes between SEC teams and The Citadel, and the College of Charleston, would have to be dropped. And OU and Texas wouldn't like it either.
agreedThis is a fallacy I see repeated often but in practice is proven entirely untrue.
and it will enhance the $$$ from the TV contract
as would going to 10 conference games
better content = better money
yes, big stadiums bring in big money for home games, but TV money is even bigger
Having automatic wins over patsies plays a role too. For mediocre teams, those wins can be the difference between becoming bowl-eligible or not.
That's why the have-nots want fewer conference games and more games with The Citadel.
Why Nick Saban, who has been advocating a 9-game conference schedule for a few years, has switched to saying nice things about an 8-game schedule, I can't figure. Maybe he now views Bama as a have-not, since the Tide has only gone to 2 of the last 4 NCGs. Maybe he has become an altruist, and believes that he needs to look out for the welfare of the downtrodden members of the conference.
A downside to the 9-game conference schedule, from what I have read, is that the requirement to play at least one OOC game against a P5 opponent would be revoked. So, drop Clemson, keep College of Charleston. Drop Ohio State, keep Kent State.
Barry $witzer sounds like a chicken$hitSome OU fans are claiming he's senile and wishing he'd shut up.
being the best recruiter in the Big 8 was very very good to himBeing in the Big 8 was very good to both OU and Nebraska. Two big dogs in an otherwise usually mediocre conference. Whichever one won the head-to-head matchup in a given year had a decent shot at playing for the MNC.
the SEC has been a very strong conference forever
The SEC leaders do a great job of enhancing their top members to be successful
that doesn't mean they can't be criticized for some of their tactics
adding the 9th conference game isn't really a big deal and won't change things all that much
would probably enhance the conference image
but, Hayden Fry taught Wild Bill Snyder.... "Never schedule a loss"
so, schedule a creampuff whenever possible
the SEC has been a very strong conference foreverNeither Hayden Fry nor Wild Bill Snyder--great coaches though they were--ever played for a national championship.
The SEC leaders do a great job of enhancing their top members to be successful
that doesn't mean they can't be criticized for some of their tactics
adding the 9th conference game isn't really a big deal and won't change things all that much
would probably enhance the conference image
but, Hayden Fry taught Wild Bill Snyder.... "Never schedule a loss"
so, schedule a creampuff whenever possible
from the Big Ten board.....Once or twice, I've responded to comments about the wonderfulness of all the changes by linking "Big Yellow Taxi."
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not all change is good
Neither Hayden Fry nor Wild Bill Snyder--great coaches though they were--ever played for a national championship.Hayden was close...
oh, I know what yer talkin bout, and so does the SECThat comment wasn't directed at you, but rather our resident ag/SEC fanboi. :)
Why the hate on the SEC for scheduling patsies ? It’s not like your teams and conferences don’t do it either? Yes, I did find it a bit odd that they have that W game in November, but you’ll understand once you start conference play.So, the SEC has some built-in advantages and has created some others.
When you speak of this SEC myth you’re ignoring the facts that the conference has collectively dominated CFB for about the last 20 years.
Hayden was close...In 1985, Iowa went on to lose to Ohio State on November 2. And then lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
1985 - October 19: In a memorable Big Ten showdown between No. 1 Iowa and No. 2 Michigan, the Hawkeyes prevailed 12-10 on a field goal with two seconds left. No. 3 Oklahoma, playing their first home game of the year, lost 27-14 to Miami. No. 4 Arkansas also lost, falling 15-13 to Texas; both Iowa and the Longhorns scored all of their points on field goals in this weekend’s victories. No. 5 Florida moved up again with a 45-0 shutout of Southwestern Louisiana. No. 6 Penn State won 24-20 at Syracuse, and No. 7 Nebraska defeated Missouri 28-20. The top five in the next poll were No. 1 Iowa, No. 2 Florida, No. 3 Penn State, No. 4 Michigan, and No. 5 Nebraska.
horse shoes & hand grenades for Wild Bill as well...
1998 season, Kansas State posted an undefeated 11–0 regular season and earned its first number 1 ranking in the national polls, just ten years after being named the worst program in the country by Sports Illustrated. They lost to the Texas A&M Aggies in the Big 12 Championship Game, which has been called one of the greatest games played. The loss stopped them from reaching the National Championship and sent them to the Alamo Bowl, where they lost and finished the season 11–2.
"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."FIFY!
-Barry $witzer
Charles Barkley
Exactly.8 conference games, 9 conference games, it won't make any difference because 1/3 of the SEC is just as bad as the worst B12 teams. Vanderbilt, USC, Kentucky, Miss State (usually). On the rare occasion that Kentucky beats Bama they will still get into the CFP.
Adding the 9th conference game instead of a bodybag creampuff patsy would add up to an additional 7 losses to the conference collective at the end of the season. That's significant.
Additionally, scheduling the SEC bodybag creampuff patsy game in November, when all the other P5 conferences are playing conference games and adding guaranteed losses to their the conference overall, allowing SEC teams to move up in the rankings, is also significant.
Don't get me wrong, it's a savvy move that has worked well in helping to create the SECSECSEC mythos.
But we can still call it out for being chickenshit.
You'll see what I'm talking about, if/when the SEC adds a 9th conference game.
8 conference games, 9 conference games, it won't make any difference because 1/3 of the SEC is just as bad as the worst B12 teams. Vanderbilt, USC, Kentucky, Miss State (usually). On the rare occasion that Kentucky beats Bama they will still get into the CFP.
Alabama and Georgia will beat that 9th opponent all the same 90% of the time. For people whose teams are about to be in the SEC, you sure are anti-SEC. And nothing has stopped the Big 12 or Big 10 from doing the same thing with regards to the scheduling.
And I agree it won't matter to Alabama and Georgia. But they're not the ones benefitting from the gaming strategies and the mythos of the SEC. It's the midtier and even bottom teams that ride coattails and enjoy those benefits.Ed Zachery
Some OU fans are claiming he's senile and wishing he'd shut up.Barry Switzer says his Sooners’ 1978 loss in Lincoln “still upsets me.”
But he was saying outlandish things even back in the '70s, so it can't all be due to his age.
Well, that's not one of the outlandish things he has said over the years. That's the dead solid truth!What is controversial about that?
Ed ZacheryA&M sure, but strange that you would bag on Florida, who I consider to be a 21BB. Or close to it.
Teams like A&M & Florida
It'd be hard to find many teams in the country with better ooc schedules than LSU the last 20 years and we've done okay, although the marquee games do indeed come near the beginning of the season. The tradeoff to that as a fan, in a sense, is that every 4th year one of the patsies is really bad, as in FCS. I could be wrong, but I believe there's a stipulation in place with someone/something that says LSU can't play an FCS team more often than that. If I'm right about that, I think we're doing it as often as it's allowed.Agreed.
I wanted to see what our Novembers looked like since the last expansion where we got handed A&M at or near the end of the season. Excluding 2020 which featured only conference games, that's 10 seasons. Body-bag games are so forgettable that I had to check, and we're at .500 for playing non-conference schmucks in November. 5 years we played a string of four SEC opponents. 3 years there was a schmuck scheduled in November. The final two years featured only three games in November, with the now-usual pre-Bama bye week taking up a November spot. Those seasons featured all-SEC Novembers, but with only 3 games played and not 4. It should be noted that there would've been an additional year which would've replaced one of the 4-SEC-team Novembers, which was 2016 where LSU and Florida made up their October date canceled for hurricane reasons. We played 4 SEC teams that November, but the original plan would've been a body-bag that was canceled so the conference game could be made up.
fwiw, 2019 was a 4-SEC team November, which didn't matter at all. And I assume this is the case for all the big boys...they're going to win their games no matter if they play a patsy or another SEC game...the best team almost always wins. I'm skeptical this actually matters because the premise assumes Bama and UGA would be losing more games if they played SEC teams late instead of cream-puffs, and that is entirely unjustified imo.
It'd be hard to find many teams in the country with better ooc schedules than LSU the last 20 years and we've done okay, although the marquee games do indeed come near the beginning of the season.
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Agreed.Good point, Gigem. UCLA is my go-to example of a supposed marquee game I'd rather not see us schedule. We've had two home-and-home series with them over the past couple of decades, and they weren't any good either time. Worse yet, in one of the games we weren't any good either and got beaten.
Besides, most teams all play only one OOC marquee opponent, and even then you can try to schedule a marquee game but unless you've got Bama or Ohio State there is no guarantee that Washington, UCLA, Clemson, etc will be any good 7-9 years down the road.
I haven't looked that closely at LSU's schedule (outside of 2019 for obvious reasons) but I do recall seeing teams like McNeese and Southern in the past, and if there are any D1-AA teams on the schedule at all, then I think I can find plenty of teams with better OOC schedules than LSU.
You shouldn't take it personally, you don't make the schedules, but having a 1-AA team on the schedule and then claiming it's a good OOC schedule, is a pretty immediate "no" from me.
Maybe every 4th year they can't play FCS? There used to be something along those lines, I thought for sure. Maybe I'm thinking of something further back prior to expansion, who knows.Y'all definitely do well scheduling marquee OOC opponents, even if you stumbled that once and scheduled Texas instead of an actual good team.
Ah well. We have a lot of PAC and ACC teams in those years, often not bottom-feeders. If there is an SEC team doing any better than what LSU's done the past 20 years, I don't know who it would be.
Div I-AA Opponents.FCS. It just means more.
Alabama
2022: Austin Peay
2021: Mercer
2020: N/A
2019: Western Carolina
2018: Citadel
Arkansas
2022: Missouri State
2021: Ark-Pine Bluff
2020: N/A
2019: Portland State
2018: Eastern Illinois
Auburn
2022: Mercer
2021: Alabama State
2020: N/A
2019: Samford
2018: Alabama State
Florida
2022: Eastern Washington
2021: Samford
2020: N/A
2019: Tennessee-Martin
2018: Charleston Southern
Georgia
2022: Samford
2021: Charleston Southern
2020: N/A
2019: Murray State
2018: Austin Peay
Kentucky
2022: Youngstown State
2021: Tennessee-Chattanooga
2020: N/A
2019: Tennessee-Martin
2018: Murray State
LSU
2022: Southern
2021: McNeese State
2020: N/A
2019: Northwestern State
2018: Southeastern Louisiana
Mississippi
2022: Central Arkansas
2021: Austin Peay
2020: N/A
2019: Southeastern Louisiana
2018: Southern Illinois
Mississippi State
2022: East Tennessee State
2021: Tennessee State
2020: N/A
2019: Abilene Christian
2018: Stephen F. Austin
Missouri
2022: Abilene Christian
2021: Southeast Missouri State
2020: N/A
2019: Southeast Missouri State
2018: Tennessee Martin
South Carolina
2022: South Carolina State
2021: Eastern Illinois
2020: N/A
2019: Charleston Southern
2018: Tennessee Chattanooga
Tennessee
2022: Tennessee-Martin
2021: Tennessee Tech
2020: N/A
2019: Tennessee-Chattanooga
2018: East Tennessee State
Texas A&M
2022: Sam Houston State
2021: Prairie View A&M
2020: N/A
2019: Lamar
2018: Northwestern State
Vanderbilt
2022: Elon
2021: East Tennessee State
2020: N/A
2019: East Tennessee State
2018: Tennessee State
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Note: 2020 was the Covid year with all non-conference games cancelled.
so, the Horn's sched will be getting easier
I hope you're right, but I'm guessing 8 conference games is staying for a few more seasonsI don't think there's any way to work a 16-team conference schedule with only 8 conference games. They'd have to break up too many longstanding traditional rivalries. They've already said they're not even considering using two divisions, so it's going to be some form of perma-rivals plus rotation.
I don't think there's any way to work a 16-team conference schedule with only 8 conference games. They'd have to break up too many longstanding traditional rivalries. They've already said they're not even considering using two divisions, so it's going to be some form of perma-rivals plus rotation.For example, Bama has at least 3 big, important rivals: Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU. They'd have to cut two of those if the SEC goes to an 8-game (1-7-7) schedule. That or the schedule would have to be bastardized into incoherence.
For example, Bama has at least 3 big, important rivals: Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU. They'd have to cut two of those if the SEC goes to an 8-game (1-7-7) schedule. That or the schedule would have to be bastardized into incoherence.Yup. There's just no way it works without pissing off a TON of people, which is why I'm confident the 9-game schedule is on its way.
well, I'm pissed about the Cali twins joining the Big
along with a shit ton of people in the PAC
doesn't seem to be working
For example, Bama has at least 3 big, important rivals: Auburn, Tennessee, and LSU. They'd have to cut two of those if the SEC goes to an 8-game (1-7-7) schedule. That or the schedule would have to be bastardized into incoherence.
Div I-AA Opponents.
LSU
2022: Southern
2021: McNeese State
2020: N/A
2019: Northwestern State
2018: Southeastern Louisiana
Note: 2020 was the Covid year with all non-conference games cancelled.
I could be wrong about this but I don't think Bama or its fans consider LSU a big important rival. Not in the sense of AU or UT. LSU (and fans) almost certainly care more about playing Bama than the other way around, although for any sort of traditionalist they're still not in the same realm as Ole Miss. I suspect Alabama could take or leave LSU and wouldn't care much.
The perma-rival schedule I saw that had us with Ole Miss, A&M, and Alabama is about as good as we could ask for. I'll never enjoy losing AU as an annual game (the most objectively crazy series in the country this century, by far), but I wouldn't exactly want to trade Bama for them. Same for Clanga, there's a ton of history there but I wouldn't swap Ole Miss for them. So we get what we get, and if that's what we get I'd say that's as good as we could hope for.
Which is what makes me think it's almost certainly going to be one of the dumber models such as one that had LSU with OU. The conference has a habit of making Baton Rouge feel like it got the middle finger.
I could be wrong about this but I don't think Bama or its fans consider LSU a big important rival. Not in the sense of AU or UT. LSU (and fans) almost certainly care more about playing Bama than the other way around, although for any sort of traditionalist they're still not in the same realm as Ole Miss. I suspect Alabama could take or leave LSU and wouldn't care much.You're probably right. I didn't think that LSU ranked up there with Auburn and Tennessee, but, perhaps afflicted with recency-bias, I thought LSU was probably #3.
The perma-rival schedule I saw that had us with Ole Miss, A&M, and Alabama is about as good as we could ask for. I'll never enjoy losing AU as an annual game (the most objectively crazy series in the country this century, by far), but I wouldn't exactly want to trade Bama for them. Same for Clanga, there's a ton of history there but I wouldn't swap Ole Miss for them. So we get what we get, and if that's what we get I'd say that's as good as we could hope for.
Which is what makes me think it's almost certainly going to be one of the dumber models such as one that had LSU with OU. The conference has a habit of making Baton Rouge feel like it got the middle finger.
You're probably right. I didn't think that LSU ranked up there with Auburn and Tennessee, but, perhaps afflicted with recency-bias, I thought LSU was probably #3.
I don't know if the names Roger Penske and Mark Donohue mean anything to you. Penske's racing teams, with Donohue as lead driver, dominated much of American non-NASCAR racing from the mid-'60s to the mid-'70s, especially the Can-Am series, until Donohue was mortally injured practicing for the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix. Penske was a great organizer and personnel manager. Donohue was an excellent driver and maybe even better as a chassis engineer. So, the team was great from the start. But they also cheated better than anyone else. One example of that was dipping the bodies of Camaros (used in the Trans-Am series) in acid to reduce their weight. It was said that you could poke a hole in one of those Camaros with a pencil. There was a minimum weight requirement, so they had to replace that missing weight. But they did it with added weight in the chassis, so the center of gravity was lowered and the cars handled better.How Roger Penske and Mark Donohue cheated:
Ranking the most iconic SEC football stadiums from worst to first (usatoday.com) (https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-most-iconic-sec-football-stadiums-from-worst-to-first-georgia-bulldogs-alabama-crimson-tide-tennessee-vols-lsu-tigers-florida-gators/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3bJGf2UaKpX-GdKkBjsDh7-y_IWn_a1_AQFOS9PQbHn_oBHJqgiCVLN48)
Heh, for you SEC newcomers, a brief synopsis of the various stadia, mostly ranked here by capacity (I love rankings).
Ranking the most iconic SEC football stadiums from worst to first (usatoday.com) (https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-most-iconic-sec-football-stadiums-from-worst-to-first-georgia-bulldogs-alabama-crimson-tide-tennessee-vols-lsu-tigers-florida-gators/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3bJGf2UaKpX-GdKkBjsDh7-y_IWn_a1_AQFOS9PQbHn_oBHJqgiCVLN48)The descriptions were more about game-day atmosphere than about the stadiums themselves.
Heh, for you SEC newcomers, a brief synopsis of the various stadia, mostly ranked here by capacity (I love rankings).
Ranking the most iconic SEC football stadiums from worst to first (usatoday.com) (https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-most-iconic-sec-football-stadiums-from-worst-to-first-georgia-bulldogs-alabama-crimson-tide-tennessee-vols-lsu-tigers-florida-gators/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3bJGf2UaKpX-GdKkBjsDh7-y_IWn_a1_AQFOS9PQbHn_oBHJqgiCVLN48)
Heh, for you SEC newcomers, a brief synopsis of the various stadia, mostly ranked here by capacity (I love rankings).
Now UT and OU will join those air-tight rankings somewhere. I visited the OU campus once, but not on a gameday. Could only take pictures of the field through a locked gate of an empty stadium.I’ve seen pictures somewhere where the Aggies and Longhorns barbecued Bevo and had a feast together. Like 1910ish so at lest 100 years ago.
Texas is a pretty good gameday experience though. Different crowd than the SEC venues I've visited, but it's a good time. Just fyi, if you get hungry and think the stadium food is overpriced, they always have this cow around that looks like he'd be good dinner, but don't try getting to him or making him into steak. Turns out they get real pissed about that, and they all have guns.
I’ve seen pictures somewhere where the Aggies and Longhorns barbecued Bevo and had a feast together. Like 1910ish so at lest 100 years ago.
Now UT and OU will join those air-tight rankings somewhere. I visited the OU campus once, but not on a gameday. Could only take pictures of the field through a locked gate of an empty stadium.
Texas is a pretty good gameday experience though. Different crowd than the SEC venues I've visited, but it's a good time. Just fyi, if you get hungry and think the stadium food is overpriced, they always have this cow around that looks like he'd be good dinner, but don't try getting to him or making him into steak. Turns out they get real pissed about that, and they all have guns.
Yup, it was after the ags stole Bevo as a prank, but when they returned him, the Texas folks decided they'd host a feast and representatives of the two schools got together and BBQ'd him and ate him.
I'll be disappointed if it's an 8-game schedule.
If most SEC teams were using the extra OOC game (compared to the other P5 conferences) to schedule noteworthy opponents rather than College of Charleston and The Citadel, I might think otherwise.
there's more $$$ available for a 9-game schedule
it's only a matter of time
If they were going to an 8 game slate, they should have let UGA-OU keep their series, and with Texas also, call it an OOC game.OU's in the same boat, only without a game to match UGA vs. Ga. Tech.
UGA thsi season has a very weak OOC slate as a result.
UGA had a pretty solid OOC slate later in this decade but then Texas and OU walked out on them for some reason ........It's 'cause we're skeered!
Ha. We both recall the banter when some school would have to stop some series "becuz they wuz skeered" ...
But losing the OU and Texas series does put a damper on the Dawgs' future scheduling, which had looked pretty stout.
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 2 | RICE | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 9 | at Alabama | Tuscaloosa, Alabama |
| Sept. 16 | WYOMING | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Aug. 31 | COLORADO STATE | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 7 | at Michigan | Ann Arbor, Michigan |
| Sept. 14 | UTSA | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Aug. 30 | at Ohio State | Columbus, Ohio |
| Sept. 6 | SAN JOSE STATE | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 13 | UTEP | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 5 | TEXAS STATE | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 12 | OHIO STATE | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 19 | UTSA | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 11 | MICHIGAN | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 18 | UTEP | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 2 | GEORGIA | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 16 | UTSA | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 1 | at Georgia | Athens, Georgia |
| Sept. 15 | UTEP | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 7 | at Florida | Gainesville, Florida |
| Sept. 14 | UTSA | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 6 | FLORIDA | AUSTIN |
| Sept. 13 | UTEP | AUSTIN |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 11 | at Arizona State | Tempe, Arizona |
| [th]Date[/th] [th]Opponent[/th] [th]Location[/th] | ||
| Sept. 11 | ARIZONA STATE | AUSTIN |
well, this "problem" with scheduling was caused by the SEC inviting OU and UTgo milk your cows farmer
clean up your mess
or just use it as an excuse
That was thoughtful of your grandfather to have the same size feet as you do.I certainly think so, too! He had 6 grandsons and I'm the only one who had the same size feet. So I got ALL of his boots. There are a couple other pair of Lucchese but those are the fanciest.
I certainly think so, too! He had 6 grandsons and I'm the only one who had the same size feet. So I got ALL of his boots. There are a couple other pair of Lucchese but those are the fanciest.small feet
small feetSize 9. All the rest are 11+.