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Topic: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?

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OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« on: June 12, 2022, 06:22:55 PM »
Four new members officially set to join the Big 12 conference in 2023
Cami Griffin, Longhorns Wire
June 10, 2022 1:26 pm CT

The lengthy discussions regarding Houston, Cincinnati, UCF and BYU joining the Big 12 conference is finally official.

Max Olson of The Athletic reported on Friday that UCF, Cincinnati and Houston have reached an agreement to join the Big 12 conference in the summer of 2023. The schools came to an agreement on exit fees with the American Athletic Conference.

Since BYU had already reached an agreement prior to the other three members, the Big 12 expansion has been finalized.

Shortly after the news became official, Brian Davis of the Austin American-Statesman reported that 2024 is the realistic target date for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC early.

The four new programs will get at least one shot at facing the Longhorns and Sooners prior to their departure.

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One high-ranking Texas source tells me now that 2024 is still a more realistic target date for Texas and OU to join the SEC early. So Horns, Sooners teams likely going to Provo, Houston, Cincy, Orlando in 2023

Texas and Oklahoma may be targeting 2024 move to the SEC
Tyler Nettuno, USA Today Sports
June 12, 2022 10:00 am CT

When it comes to the SEC’s outlook for the rest of the decade, there’s really only one certainty: The league will be growing in the near future.

Big 12 schools Oklahoma and Texas have agreed to jump ship and join the conference. The Big 12’s current grant of rights deal expires in 2025, meaning the Sooners and Longhorns are theoretically locked in until then. There has been speculation that a move could still come earlier, but the timeline remains murky.

It may be getting clearer, though. On Friday, the American Athletic Conference announced that Cincinnati, UCF and Houston — which are heading to the Big 12 along with independent BYU as a result of the new wave of conference realignment — will depart in 2023. It’s likely that the Cougars will follow suit.

This began a flurry of speculation that the SEC could target an expansion to 16 games that same year, but based on a report from the Austin American-Statesman’s Brian Davis, that doesn’t sound very likely.

A departure in 2024 would still require a negotiated exit prior to the end of the media rights contract. It could, however, be significantly cheaper. CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd reported that an exit fee in 2023 would be nine figures, but per his colleague David Cobb, those fees could be more manageable in the final year of the contract.

For its part, the Big 12 is operating under the assumption that both schools will remain in the league through the 2024-25 season and is prepared to operate with 14 teams for the next two seasons, which would necessitate the restitution of divisions.

As things currently stand, both schools will officially join the conference on July 1, 2025, but at this point, it seems very likely the move will come sooner than that.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2022, 04:00:41 PM »
For its part, the Big 12 is operating under the assumption that both schools will remain in the league through the 2024-25 season and is prepared to operate with 14 teams for the next two seasons, which would necessitate the restitution of divisions.
I don't think so.  In the B1G the strong rumor is that we are going to be divisionless with 14 teams starting as soon as the 2023 season.  I would think that the B12 could do the same thing but maybe they would rather put OU and UT in one division to ensure that at least one of them will NOT make the B12CG, I don't know.  

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2022, 11:21:58 PM »
You're right, Medina. That article I quoted is incorrect.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2022, 12:20:36 PM »
You're right, Medina. That article I quoted is incorrect.
Just to clarify, I did realize that it was the article, I didn't mean it as arguing with you.  

I am curious how the B12 will solve this riddle.  As of now it looks like at least the 2023 FB season and possibly the 2024 FB season will have fourteen teams in the B12, N->S:
  • Iowa State
  • West Virginia
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas State
  • Kansas
  • BYU
  • Oklahoma State
  • Oklahoma
  • Texas Tech
  • TCU
  • Baylor
  • Texas
  • Houston
  • Central Florida

Just going first/second seven would be an odd split since it would split up the two Oklahoma schools.  Maybe E-W would work better, here are the schools E->W:
  • UCF
  • WVU
  • Cincinnati
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kansas State
  • Houston
  • Oklahoma State
  • Oklahoma
  • Baylor
  • Texas
  • TCU
  • Texas Tech
  • BYU

That doesn't make much sense either because it would split Houston off from the rest of the Texas schools.  

What probably would make the most sense, if they chose to do divisions would be a TX/OK division and an "everybody else" division:
TX/OK:
  • OkSU
  • OU
  • TxTech
  • TCU
  • Baylor
  • Texas
  • Houston
Everybody else:
  • UCF
  • WVU
  • Cincy
  • ISU
  • KU
  • KSU
  • BYU


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 12:48:55 AM »
ESPN Chairman says Oklahoma and Texas won't move to the SEC til 2025

Ben Dackiw
June 22, 2022 7:55 pm CT

After a report came out that Oklahoma and Texas were planning on moving to the SEC in 2024, ESPN Chairman James Pitaro said that the two schools will remain where they are until 2025.

ESPN owns the SEC Network, and their new deal begins in 2024. While OU and Texas remaining in the Big 12 until 2025 takes care of the exit fee issue, that just feels like too long of a wait if the schools feel they’re ready for SEC athletics.

The Sooners’ current media rights deal won’t expire until after the 2024 season. Contractually, they’ll be in the Big 12 for at least two more years. But contracts can be renegotiated.

Obviously, the man who works for ESPN knows better than I do about what is actually going on, but I’ve been saying this since the SEC move was announced: there’s no way OU and Texas remain in the Big 12 until 2025.

What else is an ESPN executive going to say about a move that will benefit his network? He can’t come out and say that the two schools are moving early when a buyout hasn’t been negotiated to this point.

In the interim, Brent Venables gets time to prepare the Oklahoma Football program for the move to the SEC to tangle with the likes of Alabama and Georgia on a regular basis.

As for the other sports, look around. They’re ready.

Baseball is about to play for a national championship. Softball just won another national championship. Women’s Gymnastics just won a national championship. The list goes on.

The ESPN-SEC deal beginning in 2024 just seems all to convenient to me. The way Oklahoma has been spending money lately, the move has to be coming soon.

A 14-team Big 12 does seem like fun for a season or two if Pitaro is correct and the Sooners and Longhorns stay in the Big 12 until 2025.


https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-chairman-says-oklahoma-texas-005525006.html#:~:text=After%20a%20report%20came%20out,where%20they%20are%20until%202025.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2022, 12:08:24 AM »
You are correct.  There's no way Texas and OU will remain in the B12 until 2025.

But until the negotiations are complete, all anyone in any official capacity can say, is 2025, because that's what the contracts currently say.


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2022, 11:37:21 AM »
I'm thinking they will go Indy and play on LHN for two years.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2022, 11:40:51 AM »
I'm thinking they will go Indy and play on LHN for two years.
Heh... not likely but I guess ya never know.



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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2022, 12:08:22 PM »
ESecPN is calling the shots. Would not surprise me a bit it that happens.

And if it does, I want to to see the Horns and Sooners in Madison.


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2022, 12:36:54 PM »
A whole lotta more shakin' be going on ...

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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2022, 12:45:29 PM »
ESecPN is calling the shots. Would not surprise me a bit it that happens.

And if it does, I want to to see the Horns and Sooners in Madison.


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If Texas leaves the B12 and pays out whatever negotiated penalty there is, but doesn't collect B12 TV money that woud have been owed, but also doesn't enter the SEC and get part of THAT conference's TV revenue, then that is a complete loss for Texas.

In order to make that happen, ESPN would have to make up the money from one TV deal or the other, to make Texas whole.  But they're already paying both conferences.  So it would make no sense at all for them to sign on to pay an additional $40M-$80M to Texas, when that would already be covered in the TV deals with the B12 or the SEC, just for Texas to sit independent for a year or two. 

The math on that doesn't work out, at all.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2022, 12:52:10 PM by utee94 »

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2022, 12:46:21 PM »
But I certainly agree that I'd love to see the Horns play Wisconsin.
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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2022, 12:52:52 PM »
Maybe if the UGA series with Texas and OU falls though they can play Wisconsin.


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Re: OU-UT Move to SEC in 2024?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2022, 10:05:49 PM »
Wisconsin on the LHN would be the best!
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